Re: [Skunkworks] I am moving to Airtel...what about you?
@Anthony. Realistically, unless u're running a 6969, there is no way to get 10M people on an app in Kenya. Don't mention Mpesa coz there are special cases that apply to it ... It's quite strange for a teleco to say that they cant do 70% because they cant justify ROI, while they expect a content developer to take 30% as revenue share and expect them to justify ROI to their investors. Now, whenever I talk to someone about this topic, I always ask, what's the justification for a teleco. What is this ROI? And the conversation ends up with the law of supply and demand i.e. the Telecos have infrasturcure so they can charge what they want. That's OK however, competition is thick in the air and that's why I brought this up as a way for a teleco to attract content. Regarding handset manufacturers versus telecos. A teleco can setup it's own portal, exclusive to it's subscribers. It's not a unique case for handset manufacturers. --- On Fri, 3/18/11, skunkworks-request@lists.my.co.ke <skunkworks-request@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: From: skunkworks-request@lists.my.co.ke <skunkworks-request@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Skunkworks Digest, Vol 13, Issue 253 To: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 10:28 AM Send Skunkworks mailing list submissions to skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to skunkworks-request@lists.my.co.ke You can reach the person managing the list at skunkworks-owner@lists.my.co.ke When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Skunkworks digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: I am moving to Airtel...what about you? (Anthony Olendo) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:27:59 +0300 From: "Anthony Olendo" <teeolendo@gmail.com> To: "'Skunkworks Mailing List'" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] I am moving to Airtel...what about you? Message-ID: <048c01cbe546$6776ee30$3664ca90$@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 70%!! almost sounds like a dream for Kenyan telcos, and IMHO it may remain that way. The only reason that other mobile app stores give developers that much is because the stores are owned by handset manufacturers. These OEMs have an interest in seeing apps developed to run on their handsets and the more content they get the better for them, IMHO the only way it would work for telcos is if they probably concentrated on, forgive my language, data intensive apps. Without proof of a good ROI it would be tough for them to support content developers. The focus for mobile content developers should be the market of over 10million subscribers, if you manage to get 1Kshs per day from 1% of that market then you'll be set for a while. What content developers need to is creativity and a knack for getting around the various gardens that characterize our technology ecosystem, otherwise we'll die complaining. P.S. Even facebook knows that the STK is here to stay. From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of wesley kirinya Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 10:38 AM To: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] I am moving to Airtel...what about you? I'm inclined to agree with Safcom. They might loose some customers, mostly those without MPESA, but Safcom is here to stay with the majority numbers. However, it will also be difficult for them to increase subscribers. IMO the future for higher profits is to get more revenue per subscriber. If Airtel, Orange... got an equal number of subsribers with Safcom, what next?. Now there is a complex situation that exists today that didn't exist before. Mpesa and other SIM applications could get away with difficult UI experience back in the days, which they can't today because of the great UI experience on applications that can be downloaded on the phones. Back in the days a VAS is what was on the SIM, today, it's not. That means telecos have lost their grip on the VAS that can be put on the phone. IMO no teleco should be comfortable with the idea of having a unique VAS on their network. So telecos have to attract content developers, who now hold the V in VAS. The only true way is to give the content developers decent revenue share on decent terms. Now my conclusion is something I said many months ago after being frustrated by the low revenue share that telecos offer and the hoops that come with it... The winning teleco is the one that will offer decent revenue share to content developers. Nothing more, nothing less. If Orange and Airtel (Zain, ...) want to cut down Safcom (assuming Safcom would, unlikely, be sleeping), give content developers at least 70%, and allow your subsribers to pay via airtime. That 70% is what the developer takes to the office, no strange hidden agendas! To put icing on the cake, allow an API to your systems so that content developers can integrate the payment in their applications. To be fair to the telecos, it's said that under the law, a content developer has to go through a Content Provider (or PRSP, smthing like that). Well, it's about time such laws were removed, unless there is clear benefit for having them. 8~( --- On Fri, 3/18/11, skunkworks-request@lists.my.co.ke <skunkworks-request@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: From: skunkworks-request@lists.my.co.ke <skunkworks-request@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Skunkworks Digest, Vol 13, Issue 249 To: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 8:22 AM Send Skunkworks mailing list submissions to skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to skunkworks-request@lists.my.co.ke You can reach the person managing the list at skunkworks-owner@lists.my.co.ke When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Skunkworks digest..." Today's Topics: 1. <OT> Dell Alienware M11X!! in STOCK... (Alvin Jason Ochieng) 2. Re: <OT> Dell Alienware M11X!! in STOCK... 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Could anyone on this forum tell us what merits Mpesa has over ZAP? I use ZAP and personally, I find it much better than Mpesa in terms of response time, easy nicknames and availability of float. The only challenge is i know is that ZAP Agents are not widely spread like Mpesa and am sure this they will work on, as their client-base grows! For me it's Airtel for life! On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:56 AM, wesley kirinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com>wrote:
@Anthony.
Realistically, unless u're running a 6969, there is no way to get 10M people on an app in Kenya. Don't mention Mpesa coz there are special cases that apply to it ...
It's quite strange for a teleco to say that they cant do 70% because they cant justify ROI, while they expect a content developer to take 30% as revenue share and expect them to justify ROI to their investors. Now, whenever I talk to someone about this topic, I always ask, what's the justification for a teleco. What is this ROI? And the conversation ends up with the law of supply and demand i.e. the Telecos have infrasturcure so they can charge what they want. That's OK however, competition is thick in the air and that's why I brought this up as a way for a teleco to attract content.
Regarding handset manufacturers versus telecos. A teleco can setup it's own portal, exclusive to it's subscribers. It's not a unique case for handset manufacturers.
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70%!! almost sounds like a dream for Kenyan telcos, and IMHO it may remain that way. The only reason that other mobile app stores give developers that much is because the stores are owned by handset manufacturers. These OEMs have an interest in seeing apps developed to run on their handsets and the more content they get the better for them, IMHO the only way it would work for telcos is if they probably concentrated on, forgive my language, data intensive apps. Without proof of a good ROI it would be tough for them to support content developers.
The focus for mobile content developers should be the market of over 10million subscribers, if you manage to get 1Kshs per day from 1% of that market then you'll be set for a while. What content developers need to is creativity and a knack for getting around the various gardens that characterize our technology ecosystem, otherwise we'll die complaining.
P.S. Even facebook knows that the STK is here to stay.
From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke> [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke>] On Behalf Of wesley kirinya Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 10:38 AM To: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] I am moving to Airtel...what about you?
I'm inclined to agree with Safcom. They might loose some customers, mostly those without MPESA, but Safcom is here to stay with the majority numbers. However, it will also be difficult for them to increase subscribers. IMO the future for higher profits is to get more revenue per subscriber. If Airtel, Orange... got an equal number of subsribers with Safcom, what next?.
Now there is a complex situation that exists today that didn't exist before. Mpesa and other SIM applications could get away with difficult UI experience back in the days, which they can't today because of the great UI experience on applications that can be downloaded on the phones. Back in the days a VAS is what was on the SIM, today, it's not. That means telecos have lost their grip on the VAS that can be put on the phone. IMO no teleco should be comfortable with the idea of having a unique VAS on their network.
So telecos have to attract content developers, who now hold the V in VAS. The only true way is to give the content developers decent revenue share on decent terms.
Now my conclusion is something I said many months ago after being frustrated by the low revenue share that telecos offer and the hoops that come with it...
The winning teleco is the one that will offer decent revenue share to content developers. Nothing more, nothing less. If Orange and Airtel (Zain, ...) want to cut down Safcom (assuming Safcom would, unlikely, be sleeping), give content developers at least 70%, and allow your subsribers to pay via airtime. That 70% is what the developer takes to the office, no strange hidden agendas! To put icing on the cake, allow an API to your systems so that content developers can integrate the payment in their applications.
To be fair to the telecos, it's said that under the law, a content developer has to go through a Content Provider (or PRSP, smthing like that). Well, it's about time such laws were removed, unless there is clear benefit for having them.
8~(
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MPESA goes offline alot and has delays, ZAP has less. MPESA is going green, ZAP is going red. On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:18 PM, julianne anyim <julianneanyim@gmail.com>wrote:
Could anyone on this forum tell us what merits Mpesa has over ZAP? I use ZAP and personally, I find it much better than Mpesa in terms of response time, easy nicknames and availability of float. The only challenge is i know is that ZAP Agents are not widely spread like Mpesa and am sure this they will work on, as their client-base grows!
For me it's Airtel for life!
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:56 AM, wesley kirinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com>wrote:
@Anthony.
Realistically, unless u're running a 6969, there is no way to get 10M people on an app in Kenya. Don't mention Mpesa coz there are special cases that apply to it ...
It's quite strange for a teleco to say that they cant do 70% because they cant justify ROI, while they expect a content developer to take 30% as revenue share and expect them to justify ROI to their investors. Now, whenever I talk to someone about this topic, I always ask, what's the justification for a teleco. What is this ROI? And the conversation ends up with the law of supply and demand i.e. the Telecos have infrasturcure so they can charge what they want. That's OK however, competition is thick in the air and that's why I brought this up as a way for a teleco to attract content.
Regarding handset manufacturers versus telecos. A teleco can setup it's own portal, exclusive to it's subscribers. It's not a unique case for handset manufacturers.
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70%!! almost sounds like a dream for Kenyan telcos, and IMHO it may remain that way. The only reason that other mobile app stores give developers that much is because the stores are owned by handset manufacturers. These OEMs have an interest in seeing apps developed to run on their handsets and the more content they get the better for them, IMHO the only way it would work for telcos is if they probably concentrated on, forgive my language, data intensive apps. Without proof of a good ROI it would be tough for them to support content developers.
The focus for mobile content developers should be the market of over 10million subscribers, if you manage to get 1Kshs per day from 1% of that market then you'll be set for a while. What content developers need to is creativity and a knack for getting around the various gardens that characterize our technology ecosystem, otherwise we'll die complaining.
P.S. Even facebook knows that the STK is here to stay.
From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke> [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke>] On Behalf Of wesley kirinya Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 10:38 AM To: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] I am moving to Airtel...what about you?
I'm inclined to agree with Safcom. They might loose some customers, mostly those without MPESA, but Safcom is here to stay with the majority numbers. However, it will also be difficult for them to increase subscribers. IMO the future for higher profits is to get more revenue per subscriber. If Airtel, Orange... got an equal number of subsribers with Safcom, what next?.
Now there is a complex situation that exists today that didn't exist before. Mpesa and other SIM applications could get away with difficult UI experience back in the days, which they can't today because of the great UI experience on applications that can be downloaded on the phones. Back in the days a VAS is what was on the SIM, today, it's not. That means telecos have lost their grip on the VAS that can be put on the phone. IMO no teleco should be comfortable with the idea of having a unique VAS on their network.
So telecos have to attract content developers, who now hold the V in VAS. The only true way is to give the content developers decent revenue share on decent terms.
Now my conclusion is something I said many months ago after being frustrated by the low revenue share that telecos offer and the hoops that come with it...
The winning teleco is the one that will offer decent revenue share to content developers. Nothing more, nothing less. If Orange and Airtel (Zain, ...) want to cut down Safcom (assuming Safcom would, unlikely, be sleeping), give content developers at least 70%, and allow your subsribers to pay via airtime. That 70% is what the developer takes to the office, no strange hidden agendas! To put icing on the cake, allow an API to your systems so that content developers can integrate the payment in their applications.
To be fair to the telecos, it's said that under the law, a content developer has to go through a Content Provider (or PRSP, smthing like that). Well, it's about time such laws were removed, unless there is clear benefit for having them.
8~(
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Tihihihi!! "For me it's Airtel for life!" I recall the similar sentiments a few years ago with per second billing... ./bernard On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:18 PM, julianne anyim <julianneanyim@gmail.com>wrote:
Could anyone on this forum tell us what merits Mpesa has over ZAP? I use ZAP and personally, I find it much better than Mpesa in terms of response time, easy nicknames and availability of float. The only challenge is i know is that ZAP Agents are not widely spread like Mpesa and am sure this they will work on, as their client-base grows!
For me it's Airtel for life!
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:56 AM, wesley kirinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com>wrote:
@Anthony.
Realistically, unless u're running a 6969, there is no way to get 10M people on an app in Kenya. Don't mention Mpesa coz there are special cases that apply to it ...
It's quite strange for a teleco to say that they cant do 70% because they cant justify ROI, while they expect a content developer to take 30% as revenue share and expect them to justify ROI to their investors. Now, whenever I talk to someone about this topic, I always ask, what's the justification for a teleco. What is this ROI? And the conversation ends up with the law of supply and demand i.e. the Telecos have infrasturcure so they can charge what they want. That's OK however, competition is thick in the air and that's why I brought this up as a way for a teleco to attract content.
Regarding handset manufacturers versus telecos. A teleco can setup it's own portal, exclusive to it's subscribers. It's not a unique case for handset manufacturers.
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70%!! almost sounds like a dream for Kenyan telcos, and IMHO it may remain that way. The only reason that other mobile app stores give developers that much is because the stores are owned by handset manufacturers. These OEMs have an interest in seeing apps developed to run on their handsets and the more content they get the better for them, IMHO the only way it would work for telcos is if they probably concentrated on, forgive my language, data intensive apps. Without proof of a good ROI it would be tough for them to support content developers.
The focus for mobile content developers should be the market of over 10million subscribers, if you manage to get 1Kshs per day from 1% of that market then you'll be set for a while. What content developers need to is creativity and a knack for getting around the various gardens that characterize our technology ecosystem, otherwise we'll die complaining.
P.S. Even facebook knows that the STK is here to stay.
From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke> [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke>] On Behalf Of wesley kirinya Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 10:38 AM To: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] I am moving to Airtel...what about you?
I'm inclined to agree with Safcom. They might loose some customers, mostly those without MPESA, but Safcom is here to stay with the majority numbers. However, it will also be difficult for them to increase subscribers. IMO the future for higher profits is to get more revenue per subscriber. If Airtel, Orange... got an equal number of subsribers with Safcom, what next?.
Now there is a complex situation that exists today that didn't exist before. Mpesa and other SIM applications could get away with difficult UI experience back in the days, which they can't today because of the great UI experience on applications that can be downloaded on the phones. Back in the days a VAS is what was on the SIM, today, it's not. That means telecos have lost their grip on the VAS that can be put on the phone. IMO no teleco should be comfortable with the idea of having a unique VAS on their network.
So telecos have to attract content developers, who now hold the V in VAS. The only true way is to give the content developers decent revenue share on decent terms.
Now my conclusion is something I said many months ago after being frustrated by the low revenue share that telecos offer and the hoops that come with it...
The winning teleco is the one that will offer decent revenue share to content developers. Nothing more, nothing less. If Orange and Airtel (Zain, ...) want to cut down Safcom (assuming Safcom would, unlikely, be sleeping), give content developers at least 70%, and allow your subsribers to pay via airtime. That 70% is what the developer takes to the office, no strange hidden agendas! To put icing on the cake, allow an API to your systems so that content developers can integrate the payment in their applications.
To be fair to the telecos, it's said that under the law, a content developer has to go through a Content Provider (or PRSP, smthing like that). Well, it's about time such laws were removed, unless there is clear benefit for having them.
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There will always be people who want to be different, so there will always be market for an alternative provider I think safaricom succeeded in making their competition chase down the wrong alley. First was to make people believe that Cost was the issue, ask Airtel how many people moved vis a vis getting another line Now they made them think its Portability.....and airtel swallowed it and passed on the same to HQ in India....now they are doing full page ads Have I even considered moving? I have Mpesa(and my entire clan and broke pals) I use Okoa Jahazi easily, even more importantly i have groups of friends on Semeni(SMS groups- will we all migrate? you tell me) and you can buy safaricom credit anywhere within the kenyan borders,im sure even Pirates okoa jahazi(no pun intended) as they cross over. I also have mobile Banking by a certain VAS provider ,i occasionally download tunes......in short, safaricom has colonized my life. To move means visiting all those offices and people to change all the above.... Safaricom has always had an ecosystem convenient to the Kenyan, this is their secret, not individual products or touchpoints. For any competitor to shake their dominance, they need to rethink the set up of the peculiar Kenyans life and come up with a value proposition that makes sense to that set up......Ask Nokia why they run to partner with Microsoft, Ecosystem is the new tech value proposition. On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote:
Tihihihi!!
"For me it's Airtel for life!"
I recall the similar sentiments a few years ago with per second billing...
./bernard
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:18 PM, julianne anyim <julianneanyim@gmail.com>wrote:
Could anyone on this forum tell us what merits Mpesa has over ZAP? I use ZAP and personally, I find it much better than Mpesa in terms of response time, easy nicknames and availability of float. The only challenge is i know is that ZAP Agents are not widely spread like Mpesa and am sure this they will work on, as their client-base grows!
For me it's Airtel for life!
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:56 AM, wesley kirinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com>wrote:
@Anthony.
Realistically, unless u're running a 6969, there is no way to get 10M people on an app in Kenya. Don't mention Mpesa coz there are special cases that apply to it ...
It's quite strange for a teleco to say that they cant do 70% because they cant justify ROI, while they expect a content developer to take 30% as revenue share and expect them to justify ROI to their investors. Now, whenever I talk to someone about this topic, I always ask, what's the justification for a teleco. What is this ROI? And the conversation ends up with the law of supply and demand i.e. the Telecos have infrasturcure so they can charge what they want. That's OK however, competition is thick in the air and that's why I brought this up as a way for a teleco to attract content.
Regarding handset manufacturers versus telecos. A teleco can setup it's own portal, exclusive to it's subscribers. It's not a unique case for handset manufacturers.
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70%!! almost sounds like a dream for Kenyan telcos, and IMHO it may remain that way. The only reason that other mobile app stores give developers that much is because the stores are owned by handset manufacturers. These OEMs have an interest in seeing apps developed to run on their handsets and the more content they get the better for them, IMHO the only way it would work for telcos is if they probably concentrated on, forgive my language, data intensive apps. Without proof of a good ROI it would be tough for them to support content developers.
The focus for mobile content developers should be the market of over 10million subscribers, if you manage to get 1Kshs per day from 1% of that market then you'll be set for a while. What content developers need to is creativity and a knack for getting around the various gardens that characterize our technology ecosystem, otherwise we'll die complaining.
P.S. Even facebook knows that the STK is here to stay.
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I'm inclined to agree with Safcom. They might loose some customers, mostly those without MPESA, but Safcom is here to stay with the majority numbers. However, it will also be difficult for them to increase subscribers. IMO the future for higher profits is to get more revenue per subscriber. If Airtel, Orange... got an equal number of subsribers with Safcom, what next?.
Now there is a complex situation that exists today that didn't exist before. Mpesa and other SIM applications could get away with difficult UI experience back in the days, which they can't today because of the great UI experience on applications that can be downloaded on the phones. Back in the days a VAS is what was on the SIM, today, it's not. That means telecos have lost their grip on the VAS that can be put on the phone. IMO no teleco should be comfortable with the idea of having a unique VAS on their network.
So telecos have to attract content developers, who now hold the V in VAS. The only true way is to give the content developers decent revenue share on decent terms.
Now my conclusion is something I said many months ago after being frustrated by the low revenue share that telecos offer and the hoops that come with it...
The winning teleco is the one that will offer decent revenue share to content developers. Nothing more, nothing less. If Orange and Airtel (Zain, ...) want to cut down Safcom (assuming Safcom would, unlikely, be sleeping), give content developers at least 70%, and allow your subsribers to pay via airtime. That 70% is what the developer takes to the office, no strange hidden agendas! To put icing on the cake, allow an API to your systems so that content developers can integrate the payment in their applications.
To be fair to the telecos, it's said that under the law, a content developer has to go through a Content Provider (or PRSP, smthing like that). Well, it's about time such laws were removed, unless there is clear benefit for having them.
8~(
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There will always be people who want to be different, so there will always be market for an alternative provider
I think safaricom succeeded in making their competition chase down the wrong alley. First was to make people believe that Cost was the issue, ask Airtel how many people moved vis a vis getting another line
Now they made them think its Portability.....and airtel swallowed it and passed on the same to HQ in India....now they are doing full page ads
Have I even considered moving? I have Mpesa(and my entire clan and broke pals) I use Okoa Jahazi easily, even more importantly i have groups of friends on Semeni(SMS groups- will we all migrate? you tell me) and you can buy safaricom credit anywhere within the kenyan borders,im sure even Pirates okoa jahazi(no pun intended) as they cross over. I also have mobile Banking by a certain VAS provider ,i occasionally download tunes......in short, safaricom has colonized my life. To move means visiting all those offices and people to change all the above....
Safaricom has always had an ecosystem convenient to the Kenyan, this is their secret, not individual products or touchpoints.
For any competitor to shake their dominance, they need to rethink the set up of the peculiar Kenyans life and come up with a value proposition that makes sense to that set up......Ask Nokia why they run to partner with Microsoft, Ecosystem is the new tech value proposition.
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote:
Tihihihi!!
"For me it's Airtel for life!"
I recall the similar sentiments a few years ago with per second billing...
./bernard
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:18 PM, julianne anyim <julianneanyim@gmail.com
wrote:
Could anyone on this forum tell us what merits Mpesa has over ZAP? I use ZAP and personally, I find it much better than Mpesa in terms of response time, easy nicknames and availability of float. The only challenge is i know is that ZAP Agents are not widely spread like Mpesa and am sure this they will work on, as their client-base grows!
For me it's Airtel for life!
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:56 AM, wesley kirinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com
wrote:
@Anthony.
Realistically, unless u're running a 6969, there is no way to get 10M people on an app in Kenya. Don't mention Mpesa coz there are special cases that apply to it ...
It's quite strange for a teleco to say that they cant do 70% because they cant justify ROI, while they expect a content developer to take 30% as revenue share and expect them to justify ROI to their investors. Now, whenever I talk to someone about this topic, I always ask, what's the justification for a teleco. What is this ROI? And the conversation ends up with the law of supply and demand i.e. the Telecos have infrasturcure so they can charge what they want. That's OK however, competition is thick in the air and that's why I brought this up as a way for a teleco to attract content.
Regarding handset manufacturers versus telecos. A teleco can setup it's own portal, exclusive to it's subscribers. It's not a unique case for handset manufacturers.
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70%!! almost sounds like a dream for Kenyan telcos, and IMHO it may remain that way. The only reason that other mobile app stores give developers that much is because the stores are owned by handset manufacturers. These OEMs have an interest in seeing apps developed to run on their handsets and the more content they get the better for them, IMHO the only way it would work for telcos is if they probably concentrated on, forgive my language, data intensive apps. Without proof of a good ROI it would be tough for them to support content developers.
The focus for mobile content developers should be the market of over 10million subscribers, if you manage to get 1Kshs per day from 1% of that market then you'll be set for a while. What content developers need to is creativity and a knack for getting around the various gardens that characterize our technology ecosystem, otherwise we'll die complaining.
P.S. Even facebook knows that the STK is here to stay.
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I'm inclined to agree with Safcom. They might loose some customers, mostly those without MPESA, but Safcom is here to stay with the majority numbers. However, it will also be difficult for them to increase subscribers. IMO the future for higher profits is to get more revenue per subscriber. If Airtel, Orange... got an equal number of subsribers with Safcom, what next?.
Now there is a complex situation that exists today that didn't exist before. Mpesa and other SIM applications could get away with difficult UI experience back in the days, which they can't today because of the great UI experience on applications that can be downloaded on the phones. Back in the days a VAS is what was on the SIM, today, it's not. That means telecos have lost their grip on the VAS that can be put on the phone. IMO no teleco should be comfortable with the idea of having a unique VAS on their network.
So telecos have to attract content developers, who now hold the V in VAS. The only true way is to give the content developers decent revenue share on decent terms.
Now my conclusion is something I said many months ago after being frustrated by the low revenue share that telecos offer and the hoops that come with it...
The winning teleco is the one that will offer decent revenue share to content developers. Nothing more, nothing less. If Orange and Airtel (Zain, ...) want to cut down Safcom (assuming Safcom would, unlikely, be sleeping), give content developers at least 70%, and allow your subsribers to pay via airtime. That 70% is what the developer takes to the office, no strange hidden agendas! To put icing on the cake, allow an API to your systems so that content developers can integrate the payment in their applications.
To be fair to the telecos, it's said that under the law, a content developer has to go through a Content Provider (or PRSP, smthing like that). Well, it's about time such laws were removed, unless there is clear benefit for having them.
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Not enthusiast, colonized. It takes more effort to move than to stay. Until the day that equation changes, im here to stay..... On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Ken Teyie <kenteyie@gmail.com> wrote:
@Joram,
*"Have I even considered moving? I have Mpesa(and my entire clan and broke pals) I use Okoa Jahazi easily, even more importantly i have groups of friends on Semeni(SMS groups- will we all migrate? you tell me) and you can buy safaricom credit anywhere within the kenyan borders,im sure even Pirates okoa jahazi(no pun intended) as they cross over. I also have mobile Banking by a certain VAS provider ,i occasionally download tunes......in short, safaricom has colonized my life. To move means visiting all those offices and people to change all the above....*"
Clearly a Safaricom enthusiast, but If these are the reasons to call Safaricom an "Ecosystem", then Airtel has better. On safaricom, "Okoa Jahazi" is limited to 45 bob (though they say it is 50) and they charge you for that. Zain you can Kopa double that. Mobile banking -- trust Airtel (or even YU and Orange) to always be ON. Safaricom is off for the most part. Lets not even mention downloads, calling and SMS rates, Group SMSs and calling or mobile money
What is the use of having a service that is down half the time (especially when you need it the most!) It is not even close to an ecosystem!
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On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
There will always be people who want to be different, so there will always be market for an alternative provider
I think safaricom succeeded in making their competition chase down the wrong alley. First was to make people believe that Cost was the issue, ask Airtel how many people moved vis a vis getting another line
Now they made them think its Portability.....and airtel swallowed it and passed on the same to HQ in India....now they are doing full page ads
Have I even considered moving? I have Mpesa(and my entire clan and broke pals) I use Okoa Jahazi easily, even more importantly i have groups of friends on Semeni(SMS groups- will we all migrate? you tell me) and you can buy safaricom credit anywhere within the kenyan borders,im sure even Pirates okoa jahazi(no pun intended) as they cross over. I also have mobile Banking by a certain VAS provider ,i occasionally download tunes......in short, safaricom has colonized my life. To move means visiting all those offices and people to change all the above....
Safaricom has always had an ecosystem convenient to the Kenyan, this is their secret, not individual products or touchpoints.
For any competitor to shake their dominance, they need to rethink the set up of the peculiar Kenyans life and come up with a value proposition that makes sense to that set up......Ask Nokia why they run to partner with Microsoft, Ecosystem is the new tech value proposition.
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote:
Tihihihi!!
"For me it's Airtel for life!"
I recall the similar sentiments a few years ago with per second billing...
./bernard
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:18 PM, julianne anyim < julianneanyim@gmail.com> wrote:
Could anyone on this forum tell us what merits Mpesa has over ZAP? I use ZAP and personally, I find it much better than Mpesa in terms of response time, easy nicknames and availability of float. The only challenge is i know is that ZAP Agents are not widely spread like Mpesa and am sure this they will work on, as their client-base grows!
For me it's Airtel for life!
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:56 AM, wesley kirinya < kiriinya2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Anthony.
Realistically, unless u're running a 6969, there is no way to get 10M people on an app in Kenya. Don't mention Mpesa coz there are special cases that apply to it ...
It's quite strange for a teleco to say that they cant do 70% because they cant justify ROI, while they expect a content developer to take 30% as revenue share and expect them to justify ROI to their investors. Now, whenever I talk to someone about this topic, I always ask, what's the justification for a teleco. What is this ROI? And the conversation ends up with the law of supply and demand i.e. the Telecos have infrasturcure so they can charge what they want. That's OK however, competition is thick in the air and that's why I brought this up as a way for a teleco to attract content.
Regarding handset manufacturers versus telecos. A teleco can setup it's own portal, exclusive to it's subscribers. It's not a unique case for handset manufacturers.
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70%!! almost sounds like a dream for Kenyan telcos, and IMHO it may remain that way. The only reason that other mobile app stores give developers that much is because the stores are owned by handset manufacturers. These OEMs have an interest in seeing apps developed to run on their handsets and the more content they get the better for them, IMHO the only way it would work for telcos is if they probably concentrated on, forgive my language, data intensive apps. Without proof of a good ROI it would be tough for them to support content developers.
The focus for mobile content developers should be the market of over 10million subscribers, if you manage to get 1Kshs per day from 1% of that market then you'll be set for a while. What content developers need to is creativity and a knack for getting around the various gardens that characterize our technology ecosystem, otherwise we'll die complaining.
P.S. Even facebook knows that the STK is here to stay.
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I'm inclined to agree with Safcom. They might loose some customers, mostly those without MPESA, but Safcom is here to stay with the majority numbers. However, it will also be difficult for them to increase subscribers. IMO the future for higher profits is to get more revenue per subscriber. If Airtel, Orange... got an equal number of subsribers with Safcom, what next?.
Now there is a complex situation that exists today that didn't exist before. Mpesa and other SIM applications could get away with difficult UI experience back in the days, which they can't today because of the great UI experience on applications that can be downloaded on the phones. Back in the days a VAS is what was on the SIM, today, it's not. That means telecos have lost their grip on the VAS that can be put on the phone. IMO no teleco should be comfortable with the idea of having a unique VAS on their network.
So telecos have to attract content developers, who now hold the V in VAS. The only true way is to give the content developers decent revenue share on decent terms.
Now my conclusion is something I said many months ago after being frustrated by the low revenue share that telecos offer and the hoops that come with it...
The winning teleco is the one that will offer decent revenue share to content developers. Nothing more, nothing less. If Orange and Airtel (Zain, ...) want to cut down Safcom (assuming Safcom would, unlikely, be sleeping), give content developers at least 70%, and allow your subsribers to pay via airtime. That 70% is what the developer takes to the office, no strange hidden agendas! To put icing on the cake, allow an API to your systems so that content developers can integrate the payment in their applications.
To be fair to the telecos, it's said that under the law, a content developer has to go through a Content Provider (or PRSP, smthing like that). Well, it's about time such laws were removed, unless there is clear benefit for having them.
8~(
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Honestly, this no. portability does not make sense to me at all. What is the business or economic sense of it? If i you are dissatisfied with an operator, move to the competitor! Or have two SIMS! Someone was just looking for a way to make money from Kenyans! I mean, customers are not stupid to be looked in a network they don't want. Kwani how long does it it to copy your contacts and inform them on your number change. This is a kin to saying the banks should introduce accounts portability instead of one opening a new account I can bet my foot that this idea came from Airtel as way to get subscribers from Safaricom! Please, explain to me the business logic of this idea! Shad. ________________________________ From: Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Fri, March 18, 2011 2:16:36 PM Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] I am moving to Airtel...what about you? Not enthusiast, colonized. It takes more effort to move than to stay. Until the day that equation changes, im here to stay..... On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Ken Teyie <kenteyie@gmail.com> wrote: @Joram,
"Have I even considered moving? I have Mpesa(and my entire clan and broke pals) I use Okoa Jahazi easily, even more importantly i have groups of friends on Semeni(SMS groups- will we all migrate? you tell me) and you can buy safaricom credit anywhere within the kenyan borders,im sure even Pirates okoa jahazi(no pun intended) as they cross over. I also have mobile Banking by a certain VAS provider ,i occasionally download tunes......in short, safaricom has colonized my life. To move means visiting all those offices and people to change all the above...."
Clearly a Safaricom enthusiast, but If these are the reasons to call Safaricom an "Ecosystem", then Airtel has better. On safaricom, "Okoa Jahazi" is limited to 45 bob (though they say it is 50) and they charge you for that. Zain you can Kopa double that. Mobile banking -- trust Airtel (or even YU and Orange) to always be ON. Safaricom is off for the most part. Lets not even mention downloads, calling and SMS rates, Group SMSs and calling or mobile money
What is the use of having a service that is down half the time (especially when you need it the most!) It is not even close to an ecosystem!
KT, M: +254 722 28 98 04 www.mondeas.com
“When you are busy making excuses, you are not making money, making friends, or making the world a better place. Every loser out there has an excuse as to why they’re not a winner – but at the end of the day, they’re still a loser with an excuse.” -Tana Goertz
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>
wrote:
There will always be people who want to be different, so there will always be market for an alternative provider
I think safaricom succeeded in making their competition chase down the wrong alley. First was to make people believe that Cost was the issue, ask Airtel how many people moved vis a vis getting another line
Now they made them think its Portability.....and airtel swallowed it and passed on the same to HQ in India....now they are doing full page ads
Have I even considered moving? I have Mpesa(and my entire clan and broke pals) I use Okoa Jahazi easily, even more importantly i have groups of friends on Semeni(SMS groups- will we all migrate? you tell me) and you can buy safaricom credit anywhere within the kenyan borders,im sure even Pirates okoa jahazi(no pun intended) as they cross over. I also have mobile Banking by a certain VAS provider ,i occasionally download tunes......in short, safaricom has colonized my life. To move means visiting all those offices and people to change all the above....
Safaricom has always had an ecosystem convenient to the Kenyan, this is their secret, not individual products or touchpoints.
For any competitor to shake their dominance, they need to rethink the set up of the peculiar Kenyans life and come up with a value proposition that makes sense to that set up......Ask Nokia why they run to partner with Microsoft, Ecosystem is the new tech value proposition.
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Tihihihi!!
"For me it's Airtel for life!"
I recall the similar sentiments a few years ago with per second billing...
./bernard
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:18 PM, julianne anyim <julianneanyim@gmail.com> wrote:
Could anyone on this forum tell us what merits Mpesa has over ZAP? I use ZAP and personally, I find it much better than Mpesa in terms of response time, easy nicknames and availability of float. The only challenge is i know is that ZAP Agents are not widely spread like Mpesa and am sure this they will work on, as their client-base grows!
For me it's Airtel for life!
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:56 AM, wesley kirinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com>
wrote:
@Anthony.
Realistically, unless u're running a 6969, there is no way to get 10M people on an app in Kenya. Don't mention Mpesa coz there are special cases that apply to it ...
It's quite strange for a teleco to say that they cant do 70% because they cant justify ROI, while they expect a content developer to take 30% as revenue share and expect them to justify ROI to their investors. Now, whenever I talk to someone about this topic, I always ask, what's the justification for a teleco. What is this ROI? And the conversation ends up with the law of supply and demand i.e. the Telecos have infrasturcure so they can charge what they want. That's OK however, competition is thick in the air and that's why I brought this up as a way for a teleco to attract content.
Regarding handset manufacturers versus telecos. A teleco can setup it's own portal, exclusive to it's subscribers. It's not a unique case for handset manufacturers.
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To: "'Skunkworks Mailing List'" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] I am moving to Airtel...what about you? Message-ID: <048c01cbe546$6776ee30$3664ca90$@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
70%!! almost sounds like a dream for Kenyan telcos, and IMHO it may remain that way. The only reason that other mobile app stores give developers that much is because the stores are owned by handset manufacturers. These OEMs have an interest in seeing apps developed to run on their handsets and the more content they get the better for them, IMHO the only way it would work for telcos is if they probably concentrated on, forgive my language, data intensive apps. Without proof of a good ROI it would be tough for them to support content developers.
The focus for mobile content developers should be the market of over 10million subscribers, if you manage to get 1Kshs per day from 1% of that market then you'll be set for a while. What content developers need to is creativity and a knack for getting around the various gardens that characterize our technology ecosystem, otherwise we'll die complaining.
P.S. Even facebook knows that the STK is here to stay.
From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of wesley kirinya Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 10:38 AM To: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] I am moving to Airtel...what about you?
I'm inclined to agree with Safcom. They might loose some customers, mostly those without MPESA, but Safcom is here to stay with the majority numbers. However, it will also be difficult for them to increase subscribers. IMO the future for higher profits is to get more revenue per subscriber. If Airtel, Orange... got an equal number of subsribers with Safcom, what next?.
Now there is a complex situation that exists today that didn't exist before. Mpesa and other SIM applications could get away with difficult UI experience back in the days, which they can't today because of the great UI experience on applications that can be downloaded on the phones. Back in the days a VAS is what was on the SIM, today, it's not. That means telecos have lost their grip on the VAS that can be put on the phone. IMO no teleco should be comfortable with the idea of having a unique VAS on their network.
So telecos have to attract content developers, who now hold the V in VAS. The only true way is to give the content developers decent revenue share on decent terms.
Now my conclusion is something I said many months ago after being frustrated by the low revenue share that telecos offer and the hoops that come with it...
The winning teleco is the one that will offer decent revenue share to content developers. Nothing more, nothing less. If Orange and Airtel (Zain, ...) want to cut down Safcom (assuming Safcom would, unlikely, be sleeping), give content developers at least 70%, and allow your subsribers to pay via airtime. That 70% is what the developer takes to the office, no strange hidden agendas! To put icing on the cake, allow an API to your systems so that content developers can integrate the payment in their applications.
To be fair to the telecos, it's said that under the law, a content developer has to go through a Content Provider (or PRSP, smthing like that). Well, it's about time such laws were removed, unless there is clear benefit for having them.
8~(
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@Shadrak, Here is just one of my predicaments: I have 2,000 business cards and they all have my Safaricom number (0722xxxxxx). I do not want to print another set of cards with my new Airtel number (0739xxxxxx). Then here comes MNP which tells me that I can "move" to Airtel but maintain my 0722 number... Therefore MNP kills two birds with one stone: 1. I save Ksh.10,000 (printing of 2,000 new cards at Ksh5 each) 2. I move to a cheaper tarrif (some of us are not rich and so every cent counts) Case closed! (*using inspekta mwala's voice here) On 3/18/11, Shadrack Mwaniki <shadrack_mwaniki@yahoo.com> wrote:
Honestly, this no. portability does not make sense to me at all. What is the business or economic sense of it?
If i you are dissatisfied with an operator, move to the competitor! Or have two SIMS! Someone was just looking for a way to make money from Kenyans!
I mean, customers are not stupid to be looked in a network they don't want. Kwani how long does it it to copy your contacts and inform them on your number change.
This is a kin to saying the banks should introduce accounts portability instead of one opening a new account
I can bet my foot that this idea came from Airtel as way to get subscribers from Safaricom!
Please, explain to me the business logic of this idea!
Shad.
________________________________ From: Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Fri, March 18, 2011 2:16:36 PM Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] I am moving to Airtel...what about you?
Not enthusiast, colonized. It takes more effort to move than to stay. Until the day that equation changes, im here to stay.....
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Ken Teyie <kenteyie@gmail.com> wrote:
@Joram,
"Have I even considered moving? I have Mpesa(and my entire clan and broke pals) I use Okoa Jahazi easily, even more importantly i have groups of friends on Semeni(SMS groups- will we all migrate? you tell me) and you can buy safaricom credit anywhere within the kenyan borders,im sure even Pirates okoa jahazi(no pun intended) as they cross over. I also have mobile Banking by a certain VAS provider ,i occasionally download tunes......in short, safaricom has colonized my life. To move means visiting all those offices and people to change all the above...."
Clearly a Safaricom enthusiast, but If these are the reasons to call Safaricom an "Ecosystem", then Airtel has better. On safaricom, "Okoa Jahazi" is limited to 45 bob (though they say it is 50) and they charge you for that. Zain you can Kopa double that. Mobile banking -- trust Airtel (or even YU and Orange) to
always be ON. Safaricom is off for the most part. Lets not even mention downloads, calling and SMS rates, Group SMSs and calling or mobile money
What is the use of having a service that is down half the time (especially when you need it the most!) It is not even close to an ecosystem!
KT, M: +254 722 28 98 04 www.mondeas.com
“When you are busy making excuses, you are not making money, making friends, or making the world a better place. Every loser out there has an excuse as to why they’re not a winner – but at the end of the day, they’re still a loser with an excuse.” -Tana Goertz
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>
wrote:
There will always be people who want to be different, so there will always be market for an alternative provider
I think safaricom succeeded in making their competition chase down the wrong alley. First was to make people believe that Cost was the issue, ask Airtel how many people moved vis a vis getting another line
Now they made them think its Portability.....and airtel swallowed it and passed on the same to HQ in India....now they are doing full page ads
Have I even considered moving? I have Mpesa(and my entire clan and broke pals) I use Okoa Jahazi easily, even more importantly i have groups of friends on Semeni(SMS groups- will we all migrate? you tell me) and you can buy safaricom credit anywhere within the kenyan borders,im sure even Pirates okoa jahazi(no pun intended) as they cross over. I also have mobile Banking by a certain VAS provider ,i occasionally download tunes......in short, safaricom has colonized my life. To move means visiting all those offices and people to change all the above....
Safaricom has always had an ecosystem convenient to the Kenyan, this is their secret, not individual products or touchpoints.
For any competitor to shake their dominance, they need to rethink the set up of the peculiar Kenyans life and come up with a value proposition that makes sense to that set up......Ask Nokia why they run to partner with Microsoft, Ecosystem is the new tech value proposition.
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Tihihihi!!
"For me it's Airtel for life!"
I recall the similar sentiments a few years ago with per second billing...
./bernard
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:18 PM, julianne anyim <julianneanyim@gmail.com> wrote:
Could anyone on this forum tell us what merits Mpesa has over ZAP? I use ZAP and personally, I find it much better than Mpesa in terms of response time, easy nicknames and availability of float. The only challenge is i know is that ZAP Agents are not widely spread like Mpesa and am sure this they will work on, as their client-base grows!
For me it's Airtel for life!
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:56 AM, wesley kirinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com>
wrote:
@Anthony.
Realistically, unless u're running a 6969, there is no way to get 10M people on an app in Kenya. Don't mention Mpesa coz there are special cases that apply to it ...
It's quite strange for a teleco to say that they cant do 70% because they cant justify ROI, while they expect a content developer to take 30% as revenue share and expect them to justify ROI to their investors. Now, whenever I talk to someone about this topic, I always ask, what's the justification for a teleco. What is this ROI? And the conversation ends up with the law of supply and demand i.e. the Telecos have infrasturcure so they can charge what they want. That's OK however, competition is thick in the air and that's why I brought this up as a way for a teleco to attract content.
Regarding handset manufacturers versus telecos. A teleco can setup it's own portal, exclusive to it's subscribers. It's not a unique case for handset manufacturers.
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>Subject: Skunkworks Digest, Vol 13, Issue 253 > >To: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 10:28 AM > > >Send Skunkworks mailing list submissions to > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > skunkworks-request@lists.my.co.ke > >You can reach the person managing the list at > skunkworks-owner@lists.my.co.ke > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Skunkworks digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: I am moving to Airtel...what about you? (Anthony Olendo) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:27:59 +0300 >From: "Anthony Olendo" <teeolendo@gmail.com> > >To: "'Skunkworks Mailing List'" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> >Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] I am moving to Airtel...what about you? >Message-ID: <048c01cbe546$6776ee30$3664ca90$@gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > >70%!! almost sounds like a dream for Kenyan telcos, and IMHO it may > remain >that way. The only reason that other mobile app stores give developers > that >much is because the stores are owned by handset manufacturers. These > OEMs >have an interest in seeing apps developed to run on their handsets and > the >more content they get the better for them, IMHO the only way it would > work >for telcos is if they probably concentrated on, forgive my language, > data >intensive apps. Without proof of a good ROI it would be tough for > them to >support content developers. > >The focus for mobile content developers should be the market of over >10million subscribers, if you manage to get 1Kshs per day from 1% of > that >market then you'll be set for a while. What content developers need to > is >creativity and a knack for getting around the various gardens that >characterize our technology ecosystem, otherwise we'll die > complaining. > >P.S. Even facebook knows that the STK is here to stay. > > >From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke >[mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of wesley kirinya >Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 10:38 AM >To: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] I am moving to Airtel...what about you? > > >I'm inclined to agree with Safcom. They might loose some customers, > mostly >those without MPESA, but Safcom is here to stay with the majority > numbers. >However, it will also be difficult for them to increase subscribers. > IMO the >future for higher profits is to get more revenue per subscriber. If Airtel, >Orange... got an equal number of subsribers with Safcom, what next?. > >Now there is a complex situation that exists today that didn't exist before. >Mpesa and other SIM applications could get away with difficult UI experience >back in the days, which they can't today because of the great UI experience >on applications that can be downloaded on the phones. Back in the days > a VAS >is what was on the SIM, today, it's not. That means telecos have lost their >grip on the VAS that can be put on the phone. IMO no teleco should be >comfortable with the idea of having a unique VAS on their network. > >So telecos have to attract content developers, who now hold the V in > VAS. >The only true way is to give the content developers decent revenue > share on >decent terms. > >Now my conclusion is something I said many months ago after being frustrated >by the low revenue share that telecos offer and the hoops that come > with >it... > >The winning teleco is the one that will offer decent revenue share to >content developers. Nothing more, nothing less. If Orange and Airtel (Zain, >...) want to cut down Safcom (assuming Safcom would, unlikely, be sleeping), >give content developers at least 70%, and allow your subsribers to pay > via >airtime. That 70% is what the developer takes to the office, no > strange >hidden agendas! To put icing on the cake, allow an API to your systems > so >that content developers can integrate the payment in their > applications. > >To be fair to the telecos, it's said that under the law, a content developer >has to go through a Content Provider (or PRSP, smthing like that). > Well, >it's about time such laws were removed, unless there is clear benefit > for >having them. > >8~( > > > > > >--- On Fri, 3/18/11, skunkworks-request@lists.my.co.ke ><skunkworks-request@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >From: skunkworks-request@lists.my.co.ke <skunkworks-request@lists.my.co.ke> >Subject: Skunkworks Digest, Vol 13, Issue 249 >To: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 8:22 AM >Send Skunkworks mailing list submissions to > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > skunkworks-request@lists.my.co.ke > >You can reach the person managing the list at > skunkworks-owner@lists.my.co.ke > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Skunkworks digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. <OT> Dell Alienware M11X!! in STOCK... 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I wish somebody would use mangoes and bananas to explain how number portability works. I've three Airtlel's line; two are intermittently used for voice, one of which is very private( Golden) and the other line is purely for browsing via modem. I'm not a fun of Safaricom/YU/Orange. On 18/03/2011, Timothy Mutugi <timothymutugi@gmail.com> wrote:
@Shadrak,
Here is just one of my predicaments: I have 2,000 business cards and they all have my Safaricom number (0722xxxxxx). I do not want to print another set of cards with my new Airtel number (0739xxxxxx). Then here comes MNP which tells me that I can "move" to Airtel but maintain my 0722 number...
Therefore MNP kills two birds with one stone:
1. I save Ksh.10,000 (printing of 2,000 new cards at Ksh5 each) 2. I move to a cheaper tarrif (some of us are not rich and so every cent counts)
Case closed! (*using inspekta mwala's voice here)
On 3/18/11, Shadrack Mwaniki <shadrack_mwaniki@yahoo.com> wrote:
Honestly, this no. portability does not make sense to me at all. What is the business or economic sense of it?
If i you are dissatisfied with an operator, move to the competitor! Or have two SIMS! Someone was just looking for a way to make money from Kenyans!
I mean, customers are not stupid to be looked in a network they don't want. Kwani how long does it it to copy your contacts and inform them on your number change.
This is a kin to saying the banks should introduce accounts portability instead of one opening a new account
I can bet my foot that this idea came from Airtel as way to get subscribers from Safaricom!
Please, explain to me the business logic of this idea!
Shad.
________________________________ From: Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Fri, March 18, 2011 2:16:36 PM Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] I am moving to Airtel...what about you?
Not enthusiast, colonized. It takes more effort to move than to stay. Until the day that equation changes, im here to stay.....
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Ken Teyie <kenteyie@gmail.com> wrote:
@Joram,
"Have I even considered moving? I have Mpesa(and my entire clan and broke pals) I use Okoa Jahazi easily, even more importantly i have groups of friends on Semeni(SMS groups- will we all migrate? you tell me) and you can buy safaricom credit anywhere within the kenyan borders,im sure even Pirates okoa jahazi(no pun intended) as they cross over. I also have mobile Banking by a certain VAS provider ,i occasionally download tunes......in short, safaricom has colonized my life. To move means visiting all those offices and people to change all the above...."
Clearly a Safaricom enthusiast, but If these are the reasons to call Safaricom an "Ecosystem", then Airtel has better. On safaricom, "Okoa Jahazi" is limited to 45 bob (though they say it is 50) and they charge you for that. Zain you can Kopa double that. Mobile banking -- trust Airtel (or even YU and Orange) to
always be ON. Safaricom is off for the most part. Lets not even mention downloads, calling and SMS rates, Group SMSs and calling or mobile money
What is the use of having a service that is down half the time (especially when you need it the most!) It is not even close to an ecosystem!
KT, M: +254 722 28 98 04 www.mondeas.com
“When you are busy making excuses, you are not making money, making friends, or making the world a better place. Every loser out there has an excuse as to why they’re not a winner – but at the end of the day, they’re still a loser with an excuse.” -Tana Goertz
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>
wrote:
There will always be people who want to be different, so there will always be market for an alternative provider
I think safaricom succeeded in making their competition chase down the wrong alley. First was to make people believe that Cost was the issue, ask Airtel how many people moved vis a vis getting another line
Now they made them think its Portability.....and airtel swallowed it and passed on the same to HQ in India....now they are doing full page ads
Have I even considered moving? I have Mpesa(and my entire clan and broke pals) I use Okoa Jahazi easily, even more importantly i have groups of friends on Semeni(SMS groups- will we all migrate? you tell me) and you can buy safaricom credit anywhere within the kenyan borders,im sure even Pirates okoa jahazi(no pun intended) as they cross over. I also have mobile Banking by a certain VAS provider ,i occasionally download tunes......in short, safaricom has colonized my life. To move means visiting all those offices and people to change all the above....
Safaricom has always had an ecosystem convenient to the Kenyan, this is their secret, not individual products or touchpoints.
For any competitor to shake their dominance, they need to rethink the set up of the peculiar Kenyans life and come up with a value proposition that makes sense to that set up......Ask Nokia why they run to partner with Microsoft, Ecosystem is the new tech value proposition.
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Tihihihi!!
"For me it's Airtel for life!"
I recall the similar sentiments a few years ago with per second billing...
./bernard
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:18 PM, julianne anyim <julianneanyim@gmail.com> wrote:
Could anyone on this forum tell us what merits Mpesa has over ZAP? I use ZAP and personally, I find it much better than Mpesa in terms of response time, easy nicknames and availability of float. The only challenge is i know is that ZAP Agents are not widely spread like Mpesa and am sure this they will work on, as their client-base grows!
For me it's Airtel for life!
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@Anthony. > >Realistically, unless u're running a 6969, there is no way to get 10M > people on >an app in Kenya. Don't mention Mpesa coz there are special cases that > apply to >it ... > >It's quite strange for a teleco to say that they cant do 70% because > they cant >justify ROI, while they expect a content developer to take 30% as > revenue share >and expect them to justify ROI to their investors. Now, whenever I > talk > to >someone about this topic, I always ask, what's the justification for a > teleco. >What is this ROI? And the conversation ends up with the law of supply > and demand >i.e. the Telecos have infrasturcure so they can charge what they want. > That's OK >however, competition is thick in the air and that's why I brought this > up as a >way for a teleco to attract content. > > >Regarding handset manufacturers versus telecos. A teleco can setup > it's > own >portal, exclusive to it's subscribers. It's not a unique case for > handset >manufacturers. > > > >--- On Fri, 3/18/11, skunkworks-request@lists.my.co.ke ><skunkworks-request@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > > >>From: skunkworks-request@lists.my.co.ke
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(Anthony Olendo) >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>Message: 1 >>Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:27:59 +0300 >>From: "Anthony Olendo" <teeolendo@gmail.com> >> >>To: "'Skunkworks Mailing List'" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> >>Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] I am moving to Airtel...what about you? >>Message-ID: <048c01cbe546$6776ee30$3664ca90$@gmail.com> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> >> >>70%!! almost sounds like a dream for Kenyan telcos, and IMHO it may >> remain >>that way. The only reason that other mobile app stores give >> developers >> that >>much is because the stores are owned by handset manufacturers. These >> OEMs >>have an interest in seeing apps developed to run on their handsets >> and >> the >>more content they get the better for them, IMHO the only way it would >> work >>for telcos is if they probably concentrated on, forgive my language, >> data >>intensive apps. Without proof of a good ROI it would be tough for >> them to >>support content developers. >> >>The focus for mobile content developers should be the market of over >>10million subscribers, if you manage to get 1Kshs per day from 1% of >> that >>market then you'll be set for a while. What content developers need >> to >> is >>creativity and a knack for getting around the various gardens that >>characterize our technology ecosystem, otherwise we'll die >> complaining. >> >>P.S. Even facebook knows that the STK is here to stay. >> >> >>From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke >>[mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of wesley >> kirinya >>Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 10:38 AM >>To: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] I am moving to Airtel...what about you? >> >> >>I'm inclined to agree with Safcom. They might loose some customers, >> mostly >>those without MPESA, but Safcom is here to stay with the majority >> numbers. >>However, it will also be difficult for them to increase subscribers. >> IMO the >>future for higher profits is to get more revenue per subscriber. If Airtel, >>Orange... got an equal number of subsribers with Safcom, what next?. >> >>Now there is a complex situation that exists today that didn't exist before. >>Mpesa and other SIM applications could get away with difficult UI experience >>back in the days, which they can't today because of the great UI experience >>on applications that can be downloaded on the phones. Back in the >> days >> a VAS >>is what was on the SIM, today, it's not. That means telecos have lost their >>grip on the VAS that can be put on the phone. IMO no teleco should >> be >>comfortable with the idea of having a unique VAS on their network. >> >>So telecos have to attract content developers, who now hold the V in >> VAS. >>The only true way is to give the content developers decent revenue >> share on >>decent terms. >> >>Now my conclusion is something I said many months ago after being frustrated >>by the low revenue share that telecos offer and the hoops that come >> with >>it... >> >>The winning teleco is the one that will offer decent revenue share to >>content developers. Nothing more, nothing less. If Orange and Airtel (Zain, >>...) want to cut down Safcom (assuming Safcom would, unlikely, be sleeping), >>give content developers at least 70%, and allow your subsribers to >> pay >> via >>airtime. That 70% is what the developer takes to the office, no >> strange >>hidden agendas! To put icing on the cake, allow an API to your >> systems >> so >>that content developers can integrate the payment in their >> applications. >> >>To be fair to the telecos, it's said that under the law, a content developer >>has to go through a Content Provider (or PRSP, smthing like that). >> Well, >>it's about time such laws were removed, unless there is clear benefit >> for >>having them. >> >>8~( >> >> >> >> >> >>--- On Fri, 3/18/11, skunkworks-request@lists.my.co.ke >><skunkworks-request@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>From: skunkworks-request@lists.my.co.ke <skunkworks-request@lists.my.co.ke> >>Subject: Skunkworks Digest, Vol 13, Issue 249 >>To: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 8:22 AM >>Send Skunkworks mailing list submissions to >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> >>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> skunkworks-request@lists.my.co.ke >> >>You can reach the person managing the list at >> skunkworks-owner@lists.my.co.ke >> >>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>than "Re: Contents of Skunkworks digest..." >> >> >>Today's Topics: >> >> 1. <OT> Dell Alienware M11X!! in STOCK... 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we jus need an independent mobile cash platform... that is jus based on your number irrespective off network Luke
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Already exists here <https://www.tangaza321.com/tan/> if only these guys wake up and see what an opportunity they have esp with MNP starting soon. Regards, Alex On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Luke Kuvheya <tendayi.kuvheya@gmail.com>wrote:
Luke
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I really dont see where the issue is, this is the way we have adapted:: (1) I keep a cheap phone for voice calls (Zain postpaid) - and all piips I know are familiar with this line (though Safcom piips flash me a lot !! [?][?]) (2) I keep an iPhone (or any other high end device) on Orange data (or Yu);; Cos the way Safcom charges for data is just too fishy;; With Orange and Yu, 2 soc lasts quite a while,and the bandwidths are good enough to read emails and refer to quick searches eg wikipedia and short Youtube videos (3) I keep a Safaricom simcard in my wallet; for those few in a month occasions when I use Mpesa I do not think I will benefit from Number Portability. w/regards Stephen N.
mimi niko na safaricom I own 0.000000007 percent of that company currently valued at Kshs.10,000 (or there abouts) Hiyo haipotei hivyo ovyo ovyo. Barti is already a billionaire. Now its my turn. who's with me On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:15 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
I really dont see where the issue is, this is the way we have adapted::
(1) I keep a cheap phone for voice calls (Zain postpaid) - and all piips I know are familiar with this line (though Safcom piips flash me a lot !! [?] [?] )
(2) I keep an iPhone (or any other high end device) on Orange data (or Yu);;
Cos the way Safcom charges for data is just too fishy;; With Orange and Yu, 2 soc lasts quite a while,and the bandwidths are good enough to read emails and refer to quick searches eg wikipedia and short Youtube videos
(3) I keep a Safaricom simcard in my wallet; for those few in a month occasions when I use Mpesa
I do not think I will benefit from Number Portability.
w/regards Stephen N.
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how will you become a millionaire with 10,000/- worth of shares and a saf sim card? i would like to be with you. On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 4:41 PM, thea maina <theamaina@gmail.com> wrote:
mimi niko na safaricom
I own 0.000000007 percent of that company currently valued at Kshs.10,000 (or there abouts)
Hiyo haipotei hivyo ovyo ovyo. Barti is already a billionaire. Now its my turn. who's with me
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:15 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com
wrote:
I really dont see where the issue is, this is the way we have adapted::
(1) I keep a cheap phone for voice calls (Zain postpaid) - and all piips I know are familiar with this line (though Safcom piips flash me a lot !! [?][?] )
(2) I keep an iPhone (or any other high end device) on Orange data (or Yu);;
Cos the way Safcom charges for data is just too fishy;; With Orange and Yu, 2 soc lasts quite a while,and the bandwidths are good enough to read emails and refer to quick searches eg wikipedia and short Youtube videos
(3) I keep a Safaricom simcard in my wallet; for those few in a month occasions when I use Mpesa
I do not think I will benefit from Number Portability.
w/regards Stephen N.
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I will stick to safaricom because they talk my language. To date they are the only ones with 3g, they are the only ones who understand what android is and are actively pushing it. Technology excites me and most of my friends. The rest may be cheaper for voice calls but most young guys spend their time on twitter etc. Safcom know this and thats why they aint going anywhere. On 3/18/11, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
There will always be people who want to be different, so there will always be market for an alternative provider
I think safaricom succeeded in making their competition chase down the wrong alley. First was to make people believe that Cost was the issue, ask Airtel how many people moved vis a vis getting another line
Now they made them think its Portability.....and airtel swallowed it and passed on the same to HQ in India....now they are doing full page ads
Have I even considered moving? I have Mpesa(and my entire clan and broke pals) I use Okoa Jahazi easily, even more importantly i have groups of friends on Semeni(SMS groups- will we all migrate? you tell me) and you can buy safaricom credit anywhere within the kenyan borders,im sure even Pirates okoa jahazi(no pun intended) as they cross over. I also have mobile Banking by a certain VAS provider ,i occasionally download tunes......in short, safaricom has colonized my life. To move means visiting all those offices and people to change all the above....
Safaricom has always had an ecosystem convenient to the Kenyan, this is their secret, not individual products or touchpoints.
For any competitor to shake their dominance, they need to rethink the set up of the peculiar Kenyans life and come up with a value proposition that makes sense to that set up......Ask Nokia why they run to partner with Microsoft, Ecosystem is the new tech value proposition.
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote:
Tihihihi!!
"For me it's Airtel for life!"
I recall the similar sentiments a few years ago with per second billing...
./bernard
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:18 PM, julianne anyim <julianneanyim@gmail.com>wrote:
Could anyone on this forum tell us what merits Mpesa has over ZAP? I use ZAP and personally, I find it much better than Mpesa in terms of response time, easy nicknames and availability of float. The only challenge is i know is that ZAP Agents are not widely spread like Mpesa and am sure this they will work on, as their client-base grows!
For me it's Airtel for life!
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:56 AM, wesley kirinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com>wrote:
@Anthony.
Realistically, unless u're running a 6969, there is no way to get 10M people on an app in Kenya. Don't mention Mpesa coz there are special cases that apply to it ...
It's quite strange for a teleco to say that they cant do 70% because they cant justify ROI, while they expect a content developer to take 30% as revenue share and expect them to justify ROI to their investors. Now, whenever I talk to someone about this topic, I always ask, what's the justification for a teleco. What is this ROI? And the conversation ends up with the law of supply and demand i.e. the Telecos have infrasturcure so they can charge what they want. That's OK however, competition is thick in the air and that's why I brought this up as a way for a teleco to attract content.
Regarding handset manufacturers versus telecos. A teleco can setup it's own portal, exclusive to it's subscribers. It's not a unique case for handset manufacturers.
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70%!! almost sounds like a dream for Kenyan telcos, and IMHO it may remain that way. The only reason that other mobile app stores give developers that much is because the stores are owned by handset manufacturers. These OEMs have an interest in seeing apps developed to run on their handsets and the more content they get the better for them, IMHO the only way it would work for telcos is if they probably concentrated on, forgive my language, data intensive apps. Without proof of a good ROI it would be tough for them to support content developers.
The focus for mobile content developers should be the market of over 10million subscribers, if you manage to get 1Kshs per day from 1% of that market then you'll be set for a while. What content developers need to is creativity and a knack for getting around the various gardens that characterize our technology ecosystem, otherwise we'll die complaining.
P.S. Even facebook knows that the STK is here to stay.
From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke> [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke>] On Behalf Of wesley kirinya Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 10:38 AM To: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] I am moving to Airtel...what about you?
I'm inclined to agree with Safcom. They might loose some customers, mostly those without MPESA, but Safcom is here to stay with the majority numbers. However, it will also be difficult for them to increase subscribers. IMO the future for higher profits is to get more revenue per subscriber. If Airtel, Orange... got an equal number of subsribers with Safcom, what next?.
Now there is a complex situation that exists today that didn't exist before. Mpesa and other SIM applications could get away with difficult UI experience back in the days, which they can't today because of the great UI experience on applications that can be downloaded on the phones. Back in the days a VAS is what was on the SIM, today, it's not. That means telecos have lost their grip on the VAS that can be put on the phone. IMO no teleco should be comfortable with the idea of having a unique VAS on their network.
So telecos have to attract content developers, who now hold the V in VAS. The only true way is to give the content developers decent revenue share on decent terms.
Now my conclusion is something I said many months ago after being frustrated by the low revenue share that telecos offer and the hoops that come with it...
The winning teleco is the one that will offer decent revenue share to content developers. Nothing more, nothing less. If Orange and Airtel (Zain, ...) want to cut down Safcom (assuming Safcom would, unlikely, be sleeping), give content developers at least 70%, and allow your subsribers to pay via airtime. That 70% is what the developer takes to the office, no strange hidden agendas! To put icing on the cake, allow an API to your systems so that content developers can integrate the payment in their applications.
To be fair to the telecos, it's said that under the law, a content developer has to go through a Content Provider (or PRSP, smthing like that). Well, it's about time such laws were removed, unless there is clear benefit for having them.
8~(
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