IP Telephony Equipment Needed
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hey, i supply all the a ip telephony ewuipments. send me what you need and i will do you a quotationy. thanks On 8/7/13, Jangita Nyagudi <jangita.nyagudi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
We need
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Let me know costs and delivery times to nairobi kenya.
Thanks!
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Heheeee... Ati send me what you need? Again? LMFAO On 7 August 2013 20:26, musembi <cembimutisya@gmail.com> wrote:
hey, i supply all the a ip telephony ewuipments. send me what you need and i will do you a quotationy. thanks
On 8/7/13, Jangita Nyagudi <jangita.nyagudi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
We need
one of this https://store.digium.com/boards/#search/1AEX404EF one of this https://store.digium.com/boards/#search/1TE220BF one of this http://www.snom.com/en/products/ip-phones/snom-370/ with external power adaptor and one of this http://www.snom.com/en/products/ip-phones/snom-320/ with external power adaptor
Let me know costs and delivery times to nairobi kenya.
Thanks!
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@Wash "*Ati send me what you need? Again? LMFAO*" On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Heheeee... Ati send me what you need? Again? LMFAO
On 7 August 2013 20:26, musembi <cembimutisya@gmail.com> wrote:
hey, i supply all the a ip telephony ewuipments. send me what you need and i will do you a quotationy. thanks
On 8/7/13, Jangita Nyagudi <jangita.nyagudi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
We need
one of this https://store.digium.com/boards/#search/1AEX404EF one of this https://store.digium.com/boards/#search/1TE220BF one of this http://www.snom.com/en/products/ip-phones/snom-370/ with external power adaptor and one of this http://www.snom.com/en/products/ip-phones/snom-320/with external power adaptor
Let me know costs and delivery times to nairobi kenya.
Thanks!
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Is it only me who saw a list/quantity _already_ given by this Jangita guy? On 7 August 2013 21:55, Victor Yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wash "Ati send me what you need? Again? LMFAO"
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Heheeee... Ati send me what you need? Again? LMFAO
On 7 August 2013 20:26, musembi <cembimutisya@gmail.com> wrote:
hey, i supply all the a ip telephony ewuipments. send me what you need and i will do you a quotationy. thanks
On 8/7/13, Jangita Nyagudi <jangita.nyagudi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
We need
one of this https://store.digium.com/boards/#search/1AEX404EF one of this https://store.digium.com/boards/#search/1TE220BF one of this http://www.snom.com/en/products/ip-phones/snom-370/ with external power adaptor and one of this http://www.snom.com/en/products/ip-phones/snom-320/ with external power adaptor
Let me know costs and delivery times to nairobi kenya.
Thanks!
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ewuipments and quotationy yawa and "Never give up your right to be wrong, because then you will lose the ability to learn new things...." On 7 August 2013 21:57, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Is it only me who saw a list/quantity _already_ given by this Jangita guy?
On 7 August 2013 21:55, Victor Yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wash "Ati send me what you need? Again? LMFAO"
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Heheeee... Ati send me what you need? Again? LMFAO
On 7 August 2013 20:26, musembi <cembimutisya@gmail.com> wrote:
hey, i supply all the a ip telephony ewuipments. send me what you need and i will do you a quotationy. thanks
On 8/7/13, Jangita Nyagudi <jangita.nyagudi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
We need
one of this https://store.digium.com/boards/#search/1AEX404EF one of this https://store.digium.com/boards/#search/1TE220BF one of this http://www.snom.com/en/products/ip-phones/snom-370/ with external power adaptor and one of this http://www.snom.com/en/products/ip-phones/snom-320/ with external power adaptor
Let me know costs and delivery times to nairobi kenya.
Thanks!
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Lol...Grammar is not for the faint of heart On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Jangita Nyagudi <jangita.nyagudi@gmail.com>wrote:
ewuipments and quotationy yawa and "Never give up your right to be wrong, because then you will lose the ability to learn new things...."
On 7 August 2013 21:57, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Is it only me who saw a list/quantity _already_ given by this Jangita guy?
On 7 August 2013 21:55, Victor Yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wash "Ati send me what you need? Again? LMFAO"
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com
wrote:
Heheeee... Ati send me what you need? Again? LMFAO
On 7 August 2013 20:26, musembi <cembimutisya@gmail.com> wrote:
hey, i supply all the a ip telephony ewuipments. send me what you need and i will do you a quotationy. thanks
On 8/7/13, Jangita Nyagudi <jangita.nyagudi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
We need
one of this https://store.digium.com/boards/#search/1AEX404EF one of this https://store.digium.com/boards/#search/1TE220BF one of this http://www.snom.com/en/products/ip-phones/snom-370/with external power adaptor and one of this http://www.snom.com/en/products/ip-phones/snom-320/ with external power adaptor
Let me know costs and delivery times to nairobi kenya.
Thanks!
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we have snom phones in stock. the cards I can check for you availability. Please send me your company details to oliver@tpc.co.ke we send you a formal quotation. Regards Oliver TPC On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Jangita Nyagudi <jangita.nyagudi@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi,
We need
one of this https://store.digium.com/boards/#search/1AEX404EF one of this https://store.digium.com/boards/#search/1TE220BF one of this http://www.snom.com/en/products/ip-phones/snom-370/ with external power adaptor and one of this http://www.snom.com/en/products/ip-phones/snom-320/ with external power adaptor
Let me know costs and delivery times to nairobi kenya.
Thanks!
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i can confirm the following snom 370 in stock snom 320 in stock PCIE 4 port analogue in stock PCIE single(1) span E1/ISDN in stock If you need a duo port E1 then delivery period is 2 weeks. I will send you the pricing shortly when I reach the office. regards Oliver On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
we have snom phones in stock. the cards I can check for you availability.
Please send me your company details to oliver@tpc.co.ke we send you a formal quotation.
Regards Oliver TPC
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Jangita Nyagudi <jangita.nyagudi@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi,
We need
one of this https://store.digium.com/boards/#search/1AEX404EF one of this https://store.digium.com/boards/#search/1TE220BF one of this http://www.snom.com/en/products/ip-phones/snom-370/ with external power adaptor and one of this http://www.snom.com/en/products/ip-phones/snom-320/ with external power adaptor
Let me know costs and delivery times to nairobi kenya.
Thanks!
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Oliver, You still have the E1 card? PCI though? On 8 August 2013 12:47, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> wrote:
i can confirm the following
snom 370 in stock snom 320 in stock PCIE 4 port analogue in stock PCIE single(1) span E1/ISDN in stock
If you need a duo port E1 then delivery period is 2 weeks.
I will send you the pricing shortly when I reach the office.
regards Oliver
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
we have snom phones in stock. the cards I can check for you availability.
Please send me your company details to oliver@tpc.co.ke we send you a formal quotation.
Regards Oliver TPC
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Jangita Nyagudi < jangita.nyagudi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
We need
one of this https://store.digium.com/boards/#search/1AEX404EF one of this https://store.digium.com/boards/#search/1TE220BF one of this http://www.snom.com/en/products/ip-phones/snom-370/ with external power adaptor and one of this http://www.snom.com/en/products/ip-phones/snom-320/ with external power adaptor
Let me know costs and delivery times to nairobi kenya.
Thanks!
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Yes I do On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Thuo Wilson <lixton@gmail.com> wrote:
Oliver,
You still have the E1 card? PCI though?
On 8 August 2013 12:47, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> wrote:
i can confirm the following
snom 370 in stock snom 320 in stock PCIE 4 port analogue in stock PCIE single(1) span E1/ISDN in stock
If you need a duo port E1 then delivery period is 2 weeks.
I will send you the pricing shortly when I reach the office.
regards Oliver
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
we have snom phones in stock. the cards I can check for you availability.
Please send me your company details to oliver@tpc.co.ke we send you a formal quotation.
Regards Oliver TPC
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Jangita Nyagudi < jangita.nyagudi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
We need
one of this https://store.digium.com/boards/#search/1AEX404EF one of this https://store.digium.com/boards/#search/1TE220BF one of this http://www.snom.com/en/products/ip-phones/snom-370/ with external power adaptor and one of this http://www.snom.com/en/products/ip-phones/snom-320/ with external power adaptor
Let me know costs and delivery times to nairobi kenya.
Thanks!
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"Kindly note that all ICT items are vatable." Is this true with new VAT law? Kind RegardsJames
Very True! On 4 September 2013 09:27, James Maina <jameskmaina@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Kindly note that all ICT items are vatable."
Is this true with new VAT law?
Kind Regards James
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Good thing I got my server in last week :-) What about Tanzania? What's the VAT and IDF for a server there? -- Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Very True!
On 4 September 2013 09:27, James Maina <jameskmaina@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Kindly note that all ICT items are vatable."
Is this true with new VAT law?
Kind Regards James
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May be economists can shed light on this, but question is, can you in the fullness of time grow an economy through over-taxing the citizens? Put differently, what is economic growth with reference to the net earning of an employee or net returns in business? Regards, Patrick Mathenge Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> Sender: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 12:16:32 To: Skunkworks Mailing List<skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Reply-To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] all ICT items are vatable _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
Boss, please Accept & Move on. No need for this debate here. It's OT :-) Just find out how to beat it digitally. On 4 September 2013 12:25, Patrick Mathenge <kabiroz@yahoo.com> wrote:
May be economists can shed light on this, but question is, can you in the fullness of time grow an economy through over-taxing the citizens? Put differently, what is economic growth with reference to the net earning of an employee or net returns in business?
Regards, Patrick Mathenge
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If in the neighbouring country they are not vatable , if I buy there when I reach Kenya will they VAT them? On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Boss, please Accept & Move on. No need for this debate here. It's OT :-)
Just find out how to beat it digitally.
On 4 September 2013 12:25, Patrick Mathenge <kabiroz@yahoo.com> wrote:
May be economists can shed light on this, but question is, can you in the fullness of time grow an economy through over-taxing the citizens? Put differently, what is economic growth with reference to the net earning of an employee or net returns in business?
Regards, Patrick Mathenge
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Yes utalipa! On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Joseph Maina <mainasoft00@gmail.com> wrote:
If in the neighbouring country they are not vatable , if I buy there when I reach Kenya will they VAT them?
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Boss, please Accept & Move on. No need for this debate here. It's OT :-)
Just find out how to beat it digitally.
On 4 September 2013 12:25, Patrick Mathenge <kabiroz@yahoo.com> wrote:
May be economists can shed light on this, but question is, can you in the fullness of time grow an economy through over-taxing the citizens? Put differently, what is economic growth with reference to the net earning of an employee or net returns in business?
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I'm 100% in favor of the VAT and the thing I find best is that para-statals and government departments have to pay the VAT now (as I understand it). I just wish the UN and Diplomatic posts had to pay the VAT - the richest people in the country live largely tax free :-( -- Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:21 PM, [J'Alego Karuoth Nyakwar Osuma] < drmattmca@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes utalipa!
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Joseph Maina <mainasoft00@gmail.com>wrote:
If in the neighbouring country they are not vatable , if I buy there when I reach Kenya will they VAT them?
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Boss, please Accept & Move on. No need for this debate here. It's OT :-)
Just find out how to beat it digitally.
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May be economists can shed light on this, but question is, can you in the fullness of time grow an economy through over-taxing the citizens? Put differently, what is economic growth with reference to the net earning of an employee or net returns in business?
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@Adam, You are right. I have heard some of the rich people on this planet (seriously) complain that you spend a good chunk of your time looking for money. When you finally find it in substantial amounts you quickly discover that you do not have to use it any more. People want you just to be seen eating out at their restaurants, others want you to sleep in their hotels, car / computer companies just want you to try out their prototypes and concept cars / machines / designer clothes, banks -- just open an account with your names with them, barber shops / salons ... hospitals pray you get sick ... Churches .... Problems want you to get them (think of famous sportsmen and their knee / ankle injuries), etc. Isn't it all too baffling? :-) Martin. On Sep 4, 2013 2:16 PM, "Adam Nelson" <adam@varud.com> wrote:
I'm 100% in favor of the VAT and the thing I find best is that para-statals and government departments have to pay the VAT now (as I understand it). I just wish the UN and Diplomatic posts had to pay the VAT - the richest people in the country live largely tax free :-(
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On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:21 PM, [J'Alego Karuoth Nyakwar Osuma] < drmattmca@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes utalipa!
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Joseph Maina <mainasoft00@gmail.com>wrote:
If in the neighbouring country they are not vatable , if I buy there when I reach Kenya will they VAT them?
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Boss, please Accept & Move on. No need for this debate here. It's OT :-)
Just find out how to beat it digitally.
On 4 September 2013 12:25, Patrick Mathenge <kabiroz@yahoo.com> wrote:
May be economists can shed light on this, but question is, can you in the fullness of time grow an economy through over-taxing the citizens? Put differently, what is economic growth with reference to the net earning of an employee or net returns in business?
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Modern civilization tax meant to be for the rich since they had so much from offshore adventures and were the employers. However, the one with the money is the one who pays the piper - the rich managed to turn this around and evade the tax by using terms such as exemption, pretax, corporate, diplomats ... Now we the poor ICT hustlers are the one paying the taxes. Nice work whoever came up with the 'tax' idea.
I feel that they shouldn't have put the VAT as a blanket charge. For instance, it is not the wisest thing to tax the engines you expect to move the country's economy, like Farm inputs, IT sector and basic-goods. If you tax the farmers and the farmers feel they cannot be profitable as commercial producers, they will resort to subsistence production, reducing food available in the markets, reducing the community's buying power, reducing the community's investment power reducing country's economic growth, retarding the vision 2030 progress. That is just one chain..... I think the VAT was necessary, but doubt the lawmakers considered the effects of it's blanket application....were they hurrying to their break? On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 2:46 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
Modern civilization tax meant to be for the rich since they had so much from offshore adventures and were the employers.
However, the one with the money is the one who pays the piper - the rich managed to turn this around and evade the tax by using terms such as exemption, pretax, corporate, diplomats ...
Now we the poor ICT hustlers are the one paying the taxes. Nice work whoever came up with the 'tax' idea.
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Well, while we ultimately got to move on and try think of how we'l digitally beat this as one Washington earlier said,no doubt we are getting it all wrong in terms of policy and strategy, and hasn't started now. Started long ago when we certainly knew we needed a new constitution and went for it, with little or no cost best analysis at all. Proper representation was, and is still good, but do we have adequate resources??? ICT, agriculture blablah need nurturing. Period. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com> Sender: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 15:17:43 To: Skunkworks Mailing List<skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Reply-To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] all ICT items are vatable _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
The problem is not paying taxes, the problem is how the tax money is used. Along this lines you can question the hierarchical govt systems which are analogous to tree data structure. Govts really need to move to the distributed systems concept, computing has proven the latter to be more robust, less error prone and scalable. What we have right now for govts are trees, which are a "limited"(limited has perspectives. Could be limited in one thing 'power to the people' and awesome with another 'control of the population') form of graph data structure, we need to adopt a distributed govt structure and not keep on trying to increase the number of child nodes per node in the tree (More govt offices) and increasing the height of the tree (devolution). The temporal/spatial complexity doesn't change much with these efforts. On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 2:46 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
Modern civilization tax meant to be for the rich since they had so much from offshore adventures and were the employers.
However, the one with the money is the one who pays the piper - the rich managed to turn this around and evade the tax by using terms such as exemption, pretax, corporate, diplomats ...
Now we the poor ICT hustlers are the one paying the taxes. Nice work whoever came up with the 'tax' idea.
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The Tax exempt status of ICT things was just an incentive to allow investment. It was a holiday which is now over. Govt services cost money. Where are they supposed to get it if not through taxes? Point is should be we should raise hell when it is stolen or misused not complain about paying it. On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Boss, please Accept & Move on. No need for this debate here. It's OT :-)
Just find out how to beat it digitally.
On 4 September 2013 12:25, Patrick Mathenge <kabiroz@yahoo.com> wrote:
May be economists can shed light on this, but question is, can you in the fullness of time grow an economy through over-taxing the citizens? Put differently, what is economic growth with reference to the net earning of an employee or net returns in business?
Regards, Patrick Mathenge
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It is not as simple as that Mark. We have to look at the whole picture. Computer equipment was taxable in the 90s then the tax was reduced to 5% before being abolished altogether. Was the move beneficial? Absolutely, it removed entry barriers and allowed people who could not procure computers to do so to some extent and enabled some of us to hone our skills. There are smarter ways to raise revenue and this is certainly not one of them. What is worse is that this taxation regime is not going to give our budget deficit any significant dent. On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
The Tax exempt status of ICT things was just an incentive to allow investment. It was a holiday which is now over. Govt services cost money. Where are they supposed to get it if not through taxes? Point is should be we should raise hell when it is stolen or misused not complain about paying it.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Boss, please Accept & Move on. No need for this debate here. It's OT :-)
Just find out how to beat it digitally.
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May be economists can shed light on this, but question is, can you in the fullness of time grow an economy through over-taxing the citizens? Put differently, what is economic growth with reference to the net earning of an employee or net returns in business?
Regards, Patrick Mathenge
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The VAT bill is now law - if my memory serves me right it was passed while JKIA was burning and the unbecoming animal-human relationships were flourishing in the country. Coincidence? No? Accept and move on as per Wash is the good thing to do but the best is to beat VAT 'digitally' if imports to an EA country and then to +254 for computing gear would prove cheaper. 0.5 cents worth. Stephen On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Edwin Onyango Owino <edowino@gmail.com> wrote:
It is not as simple as that Mark. We have to look at the whole picture. Computer equipment was taxable in the 90s then the tax was reduced to 5% before being abolished altogether. Was the move beneficial? Absolutely, it removed entry barriers and allowed people who could not procure computers to do so to some extent and enabled some of us to hone our skills. There are smarter ways to raise revenue and this is certainly not one of them. What is worse is that this taxation regime is not going to give our budget deficit any significant dent.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
The Tax exempt status of ICT things was just an incentive to allow investment. It was a holiday which is now over. Govt services cost money. Where are they supposed to get it if not through taxes? Point is should be we should raise hell when it is stolen or misused not complain about paying it.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Boss, please Accept & Move on. No need for this debate here. It's OT :-)
Just find out how to beat it digitally.
On 4 September 2013 12:25, Patrick Mathenge <kabiroz@yahoo.com> wrote:
May be economists can shed light on this, but question is, can you in the fullness of time grow an economy through over-taxing the citizens? Put differently, what is economic growth with reference to the net earning of an employee or net returns in business?
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I heard from a source that Servers are not Vat-table. Who has a copy of the new VAT law? OT: Surely why tax books for students. Is somebody smoking something potent? ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh On 4 September 2013 20:50, Stephen Wanjau <wanjaustev@gmail.com> wrote:
The VAT bill is now law - if my memory serves me right it was passed while JKIA was burning and the unbecoming animal-human relationships were flourishing in the country. Coincidence? No?
Accept and move on as per Wash is the good thing to do but the best is to beat VAT 'digitally' if imports to an EA country and then to +254 for computing gear would prove cheaper.
0.5 cents worth.
Stephen
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Edwin Onyango Owino <edowino@gmail.com> wrote:
It is not as simple as that Mark. We have to look at the whole picture. Computer equipment was taxable in the 90s then the tax was reduced to 5% before being abolished altogether. Was the move beneficial? Absolutely, it removed entry barriers and allowed people who could not procure computers to do so to some extent and enabled some of us to hone our skills. There are smarter ways to raise revenue and this is certainly not one of them. What is worse is that this taxation regime is not going to give our budget deficit any significant dent.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
The Tax exempt status of ICT things was just an incentive to allow investment. It was a holiday which is now over. Govt services cost
money.
Where are they supposed to get it if not through taxes? Point is should be we should raise hell when it is stolen or misused not complain about paying it.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Boss, please Accept & Move on. No need for this debate here. It's OT
:-)
Just find out how to beat it digitally.
On 4 September 2013 12:25, Patrick Mathenge <kabiroz@yahoo.com> wrote:
May be economists can shed light on this, but question is, can you in the fullness of time grow an economy through over-taxing the
citizens? Put
differently, what is economic growth with reference to the net earning of an employee or net returns in business?
Regards, Patrick Mathenge
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I do not buy the idea of tax subsidies for tech related matters. Food, healthcare, security yes because these are not primarily or rather should not be primarily profit oriented. Tellin me tech will improve all the above is like telling me everyone needs to eat so we take all our focus to growing potatoes. Technology firms should figure out how to turn a profit while paying taxes like everyone else. Granted I have benefited heavily from the exemption in the past but the supply and demand curves have stabilized. There is enough penetration in the industry for it to be self sustaining. On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
I heard from a source that Servers are not Vat-table. Who has a copy of the new VAT law?
OT: Surely why tax books for students. Is somebody smoking something potent?
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On 4 September 2013 20:50, Stephen Wanjau <wanjaustev@gmail.com> wrote:
The VAT bill is now law - if my memory serves me right it was passed while JKIA was burning and the unbecoming animal-human relationships were flourishing in the country. Coincidence? No?
Accept and move on as per Wash is the good thing to do but the best is to beat VAT 'digitally' if imports to an EA country and then to +254 for computing gear would prove cheaper.
0.5 cents worth.
Stephen
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Edwin Onyango Owino <edowino@gmail.com> wrote:
It is not as simple as that Mark. We have to look at the whole picture. Computer equipment was taxable in the 90s then the tax was reduced to 5% before being abolished altogether. Was the move beneficial? Absolutely, it removed entry barriers and allowed people who could not procure computers to do so to some extent and enabled some of us to hone our skills. There are smarter ways to raise revenue and this is certainly not one of them. What is worse is that this taxation regime is not going to give our budget deficit any significant dent.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
The Tax exempt status of ICT things was just an incentive to allow investment. It was a holiday which is now over. Govt services cost
money.
Where are they supposed to get it if not through taxes? Point is should be we should raise hell when it is stolen or misused not complain about paying it.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Boss, please Accept & Move on. No need for this debate here. It's OT
:-)
Just find out how to beat it digitally.
On 4 September 2013 12:25, Patrick Mathenge <kabiroz@yahoo.com>
wrote:
May be economists can shed light on this, but question is, can you in the fullness of time grow an economy through over-taxing the
citizens? Put
differently, what is economic growth with reference to the net earning of an employee or net returns in business?
Regards, Patrick Mathenge
Sent from my BlackBerry®
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No item should be zero rated, everything should be VAT-able, then for what you consider essentials (if IT equipments are essentials) introduce subsidies to the induestry ./Ok3ch On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I do not buy the idea of tax subsidies for tech related matters. Food, healthcare, security yes because these are not primarily or rather should not be primarily profit oriented. Tellin me tech will improve all the above is like telling me everyone needs to eat so we take all our focus to growing potatoes. Technology firms should figure out how to turn a profit while paying taxes like everyone else.
Granted I have benefited heavily from the exemption in the past but the supply and demand curves have stabilized. There is enough penetration in the industry for it to be self sustaining.
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
I heard from a source that Servers are not Vat-table. Who has a copy of the new VAT law?
OT: Surely why tax books for students. Is somebody smoking something potent?
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh
On 4 September 2013 20:50, Stephen Wanjau <wanjaustev@gmail.com> wrote:
The VAT bill is now law - if my memory serves me right it was passed while JKIA was burning and the unbecoming animal-human relationships were flourishing in the country. Coincidence? No?
Accept and move on as per Wash is the good thing to do but the best is to beat VAT 'digitally' if imports to an EA country and then to +254 for computing gear would prove cheaper.
0.5 cents worth.
Stephen
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Edwin Onyango Owino <edowino@gmail.com> wrote:
It is not as simple as that Mark. We have to look at the whole picture. Computer equipment was taxable in the 90s then the tax was reduced to 5% before being abolished altogether. Was the move beneficial? Absolutely, it removed entry barriers and allowed people who could not procure computers to do so to some extent and enabled some of us to hone our skills. There are smarter ways to raise revenue and this is certainly not one of them. What is worse is that this taxation regime is not going to give our budget deficit any significant dent.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
The Tax exempt status of ICT things was just an incentive to allow investment. It was a holiday which is now over. Govt services cost
money.
Where are they supposed to get it if not through taxes? Point is should be we should raise hell when it is stolen or misused not complain about paying it.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Boss, please Accept & Move on. No need for this debate here. It's OT
:-)
Just find out how to beat it digitally.
On 4 September 2013 12:25, Patrick Mathenge <kabiroz@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> > May be economists can shed light on this, but question is, can you in > the fullness of time grow an economy through over-taxing the citizens? Put > differently, what is economic growth with reference to the net earning of an > employee or net returns in business? > > Regards, > Patrick Mathenge > > Sent from my BlackBerry® > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> > Sender: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke > Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 12:16:32 > To: Skunkworks Mailing List<skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> > Reply-To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> > Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] all ICT items are vatable > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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I agree with @mark. In most US states, everything has sales tax except raw food and printed materials (books, magazines). I don't see why computers should get an exemption. Ideally, the broader the tax base, the lower the VAT rate can become. -- Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I do not buy the idea of tax subsidies for tech related matters. Food, healthcare, security yes because these are not primarily or rather should not be primarily profit oriented. Tellin me tech will improve all the above is like telling me everyone needs to eat so we take all our focus to growing potatoes. Technology firms should figure out how to turn a profit while paying taxes like everyone else.
Granted I have benefited heavily from the exemption in the past but the supply and demand curves have stabilized. There is enough penetration in the industry for it to be self sustaining.
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
I heard from a source that Servers are not Vat-table. Who has a copy of the new VAT law?
OT: Surely why tax books for students. Is somebody smoking something potent?
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh
On 4 September 2013 20:50, Stephen Wanjau <wanjaustev@gmail.com> wrote:
The VAT bill is now law - if my memory serves me right it was passed while JKIA was burning and the unbecoming animal-human relationships were flourishing in the country. Coincidence? No?
Accept and move on as per Wash is the good thing to do but the best is to beat VAT 'digitally' if imports to an EA country and then to +254 for computing gear would prove cheaper.
0.5 cents worth.
Stephen
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Edwin Onyango Owino <edowino@gmail.com> wrote:
It is not as simple as that Mark. We have to look at the whole picture. Computer equipment was taxable in the 90s then the tax was reduced to 5% before being abolished altogether. Was the move beneficial? Absolutely, it removed entry barriers and allowed people who could not procure computers to do so to some extent and enabled some of us to hone our skills. There are smarter ways to raise revenue and this is certainly not one of them. What is worse is that this taxation regime is not going to give our budget deficit any significant dent.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
The Tax exempt status of ICT things was just an incentive to allow investment. It was a holiday which is now over. Govt services cost
money.
Where are they supposed to get it if not through taxes? Point is should be we should raise hell when it is stolen or misused not complain about paying it.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Boss, please Accept & Move on. No need for this debate here. It's OT
:-)
Just find out how to beat it digitally.
On 4 September 2013 12:25, Patrick Mathenge <kabiroz@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> > May be economists can shed light on this, but question is, can you in > the fullness of time grow an economy through over-taxing the citizens? Put > differently, what is economic growth with reference to the net earning of an > employee or net returns in business? > > Regards, > Patrick Mathenge > > Sent from my BlackBerry® > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> > Sender: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke > Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 12:16:32 > To: Skunkworks Mailing List<skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> > Reply-To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> > Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] all ICT items are vatable > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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The rationale behind zero rating tech items, if I remember correctly, was based on the premise that tech plays a very crucial role in vision 2030 and that Kenya needed go give herself an accelerated growth in IT to catch up. That in itself gave IT the same rating as food in national priority. The problem, however, is that Kenya is a consumer market. We do not produce/manufacture tech stuff. Therefore, so as not to self-defeat, the compromise was to zero rate the tech stuff to spur growth. And it has worked wonders. On Thursday, September 5, 2013, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
I agree with @mark. In most US states, everything has sales tax except raw food and printed materials (books, magazines). I don't see why computers should get an exemption. Ideally, the broader the tax base, the lower the VAT rate can become. -- Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I do not buy the idea of tax subsidies for tech related matters. Food, healthcare, security yes because these are not primarily or rather should not be primarily profit oriented. Tellin me tech will improve all the above is like telling me everyone needs to eat so we take all our focus to growing potatoes. Technology firms should figure out how to turn a profit while paying taxes like everyone else. Granted I have benefited heavily from the exemption in the past but the supply and demand curves have stabilized. There is enough penetration in the industry for it to be self sustaining.
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
I heard from a source that Servers are not Vat-table. Who has a copy of the new VAT law? OT: Surely why tax books for students. Is somebody smoking something potent? ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh
On 4 September 2013 20:50, Stephen Wanjau <wanjaustev@gmail.com> wrote:
The VAT bill is now law - if my memory serves me right it was passed while JKIA was burning and the unbecoming animal-human relationships were flourishing in the country. Coincidence? No?
Accept and move on as per Wash is the good thing to do but the best is to beat VAT 'digitally' if imports to an EA country and then to +254 for computing gear would prove cheaper.
0.5 cents worth.
Stephen
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Edwin Onyango Owino <edowino@gmail.com> wrote:
It is not as simple as that Mark. We have to look at the whole picture. Computer equipment was taxable in the 90s then the tax was reduced to 5% before being abolished altogether. Was the move beneficial? Absolutely, it removed entry barriers and allowed people who could not procure computers to do so to some extent and enabled some of us to hone our skills. There are smarter ways to raise revenue and this is certainly not one of them. What is worse is that this taxation regime is not going to give our budget deficit any significant dent.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
The Tax exempt status of ICT things was just an incentive to allow investment. It was a holiday which is now over. Govt services cost
money.
Where are they supposed to get it if not through taxes? Point is should be we should raise hell when it is stolen or misused not complain about paying it.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com
wrote:
Boss, please Accept & Move on. No need for this debate here. It's OT
:-)
Just find out how to beat it digitally.
On 4 September 2013 12:25, Patrick Mathenge <kabiroz@yahoo.com> wrote:
May be economists can shed light on this, but question is, can you in the fullness of time grow an economy through over-taxing the
citizens? Put
differently, what is economic growth with reference to the net earning of an employee or net returns in business?
Regards, Patrick Mathenge
Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: Adam Nelson <
Interesting discussion. I've also received a text that KPLC VAT adjusted from 12% to 16%....and they have added a new water levy to elec bills per kwh. There's a new VAT on phones, VAT on every single banking transaction you make, VAT on MPESA, VAT on all imports, VAT on basically everything sold, VAT on rent, new VAT on books (you cant imagine such a thing in a 3rd world country with no reading culture!). Come to think of it, actually, the VAT/PAYE I pay in a month to the govt may be MORE than the amount I have for saving. Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 12:00:44 +0300 From: mail2lawi@gmail.com To: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke Subject: [Skunkworks] all ICT items are vatable The rationale behind zero rating tech items, if I remember correctly, was based on the premise that tech plays a very crucial role in vision 2030 and that Kenya needed go give herself an accelerated growth in IT to catch up. That in itself gave IT the same rating as food in national priority. The problem, however, is that Kenya is a consumer market. We do not produce/manufacture tech stuff. Therefore, so as not to self-defeat, the compromise was to zero rate the tech stuff to spur growth. And it has worked wonders. On Thursday, September 5, 2013, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
I agree with @mark. In most US states, everything has sales tax except raw food and printed materials (books, magazines). I don't see why computers should get an exemption.
Ideally, the broader the tax base, the lower the VAT rate can become. -- Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud
About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I do not buy the idea of tax subsidies for tech related matters. Food, healthcare, security yes because these are not primarily or rather should not be primarily profit oriented. Tellin me tech will improve all the above is like telling me everyone needs to eat so we take all our focus to growing potatoes. Technology firms should figure out how to turn a profit while paying taxes like everyone else.
Granted I have benefited heavily from the exemption in the past but the supply and demand curves have stabilized. There is enough penetration in the industry for it to be self sustaining.
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
I heard from a source that Servers are not Vat-table. Who has a copy of the new VAT law? OT: Surely why tax books for students. Is somebody smoking something potent? ______________________
Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh
On 4 September 2013 20:50, Stephen Wanjau <wanjaustev@gmail.com> wrote:
The VAT bill is now law - if my memory serves me right it was passed while JKIA was burning and the unbecoming animal-human relationships were flourishing in the country. Coincidence? No?
Accept and move on as per Wash is the good thing to do but the best is to beat VAT 'digitally' if imports to an EA country and then to +254 for computing gear would prove cheaper.
0.5 cents worth.
Stephen
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Edwin Onyango Owino <edowino@gmail.com> wrote:
It is not as simple as that Mark. We have to look at the whole picture.
Computer equipment was taxable in the 90s then the tax was reduced to 5% before being abolished altogether. Was the move beneficial? Absolutely, it removed entry barriers and allowed people who could not procure computers to
do so to some extent and enabled some of us to hone our skills. There are smarter ways to raise revenue and this is certainly not one of them. What is worse is that this taxation regime is not going to give our budget deficit
any significant dent.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
The Tax exempt status of ICT things was just an incentive to allow
investment. It was a holiday which is now over. Govt services cost money. Where are they supposed to get it if not through taxes? Point is should be we should raise hell when it is stolen or misused not complain about paying
it.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Boss, please Accept & Move on. No need for this debate here. It's OT :-)
Just find out how to beat it digitally.
On 4 September 2013 12:25, Patrick Mathenge <kabiroz@yahoo.com> wrote:
May be economists can shed light on this, but question is, can you in
the fullness of time grow an economy through over-taxing the citizens? Put differently, what is economic growth with reference to the net earning of an employee or net returns in business?
Regards, Patrick Mathenge
Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Nelson <
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VAT on books. Still shaking my head ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh On 5 September 2013 13:42, James Maina <jameskmaina@hotmail.com> wrote:
Interesting discussion.
I've also received a text that KPLC VAT adjusted from 12% to 16%....and they have added a new water levy to elec bills per kwh. There's a new VAT on phones, VAT on every single banking transaction you make, VAT on MPESA, VAT on all imports, VAT on basically everything sold, VAT on rent, new VAT on books (you cant imagine such a thing in a 3rd world country with no reading culture!).
Come to think of it, actually, the VAT/PAYE I pay in a month to the govt may be MORE than the amount I have for saving.
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 12:00:44 +0300 From: mail2lawi@gmail.com To: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke Subject: [Skunkworks] all ICT items are vatable
The rationale behind zero rating tech items, if I remember correctly, was based on the premise that tech plays a very crucial role in vision 2030 and that Kenya needed go give herself an accelerated growth in IT to catch up.
That in itself gave IT the same rating as food in national priority. The problem, however, is that Kenya is a consumer market. We do not produce/manufacture tech stuff. Therefore, so as not to self-defeat, the compromise was to zero rate the tech stuff to spur growth. And it has worked wonders.
On Thursday, September 5, 2013, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
I agree with @mark. In most US states, everything has sales tax except raw food and printed materials (books, magazines). I don't see why computers should get an exemption. Ideally, the broader the tax base, the lower the VAT rate can become. -- Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I do not buy the idea of tax subsidies for tech related matters. Food, healthcare, security yes because these are not primarily or rather should not be primarily profit oriented. Tellin me tech will improve all the above is like telling me everyone needs to eat so we take all our focus to growing potatoes. Technology firms should figure out how to turn a profit while paying taxes like everyone else. Granted I have benefited heavily from the exemption in the past but the supply and demand curves have stabilized. There is enough penetration in the industry for it to be self sustaining.
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
I heard from a source that Servers are not Vat-table. Who has a copy of the new VAT law? OT: Surely why tax books for students. Is somebody smoking something potent? ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh
On 4 September 2013 20:50, Stephen Wanjau <wanjaustev@gmail.com> wrote:
The VAT bill is now law - if my memory serves me right it was passed while JKIA was burning and the unbecoming animal-human relationships were flourishing in the country. Coincidence? No?
Accept and move on as per Wash is the good thing to do but the best is to beat VAT 'digitally' if imports to an EA country and then to +254 for computing gear would prove cheaper.
0.5 cents worth.
Stephen
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Edwin Onyango Owino <edowino@gmail.com> wrote:
It is not as simple as that Mark. We have to look at the whole picture. Computer equipment was taxable in the 90s then the tax was reduced to 5% before being abolished altogether. Was the move beneficial? Absolutely, it removed entry barriers and allowed people who could not procure computers to do so to some extent and enabled some of us to hone our skills. There are smarter ways to raise revenue and this is certainly not one of them. What is worse is that this taxation regime is not going to give our budget deficit any significant dent.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
The Tax exempt status of ICT things was just an incentive to allow investment. It was a holiday which is now over. Govt services cost
money.
Where are they supposed to get it if not through taxes? Point is should be we should raise hell when it is stolen or misused not complain about paying it.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Boss, please Accept & Move on. No need for this debate here. It's OT
:-)
Just find out how to beat it digitally.
On 4 September 2013 12:25, Patrick Mathenge <kabiroz@yahoo.com>
wrote:
May be economists can shed light on this, but question is, can you in the fullness of time grow an economy through over-taxing the
citizens? Put
differently, what is economic growth with reference to the net earning of an employee or net returns in business?
Regards, Patrick Mathenge
Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Is it mathematically correct to say that the current tax rate is 46% (assuming 30% PAYE plus 16% VAT)? On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
VAT on books. Still shaking my head
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On 5 September 2013 13:42, James Maina <jameskmaina@hotmail.com> wrote:
Interesting discussion.
I've also received a text that KPLC VAT adjusted from 12% to 16%....and they have added a new water levy to elec bills per kwh. There's a new VAT on phones, VAT on every single banking transaction you make, VAT on MPESA, VAT on all imports, VAT on basically everything sold, VAT on rent, new VAT on books (you cant imagine such a thing in a 3rd world country with no reading culture!).
Come to think of it, actually, the VAT/PAYE I pay in a month to the govt may be MORE than the amount I have for saving.
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 12:00:44 +0300 From: mail2lawi@gmail.com To: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke Subject: [Skunkworks] all ICT items are vatable
The rationale behind zero rating tech items, if I remember correctly, was based on the premise that tech plays a very crucial role in vision 2030 and that Kenya needed go give herself an accelerated growth in IT to catch up.
That in itself gave IT the same rating as food in national priority. The problem, however, is that Kenya is a consumer market. We do not produce/manufacture tech stuff. Therefore, so as not to self-defeat, the compromise was to zero rate the tech stuff to spur growth. And it has worked wonders.
On Thursday, September 5, 2013, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
I agree with @mark. In most US states, everything has sales tax except raw food and printed materials (books, magazines). I don't see why computers should get an exemption. Ideally, the broader the tax base, the lower the VAT rate can become. -- Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I do not buy the idea of tax subsidies for tech related matters. Food, healthcare, security yes because these are not primarily or rather should not be primarily profit oriented. Tellin me tech will improve all the above is like telling me everyone needs to eat so we take all our focus to growing potatoes. Technology firms should figure out how to turn a profit while paying taxes like everyone else. Granted I have benefited heavily from the exemption in the past but the supply and demand curves have stabilized. There is enough penetration in the industry for it to be self sustaining.
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
I heard from a source that Servers are not Vat-table. Who has a copy of the new VAT law? OT: Surely why tax books for students. Is somebody smoking something potent? ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh
On 4 September 2013 20:50, Stephen Wanjau <wanjaustev@gmail.com> wrote:
The VAT bill is now law - if my memory serves me right it was passed while JKIA was burning and the unbecoming animal-human relationships were flourishing in the country. Coincidence? No?
Accept and move on as per Wash is the good thing to do but the best is to beat VAT 'digitally' if imports to an EA country and then to +254 for computing gear would prove cheaper.
0.5 cents worth.
Stephen
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Edwin Onyango Owino <edowino@gmail.com> wrote:
It is not as simple as that Mark. We have to look at the whole picture. Computer equipment was taxable in the 90s then the tax was reduced to 5% before being abolished altogether. Was the move beneficial? Absolutely, it removed entry barriers and allowed people who could not procure computers to do so to some extent and enabled some of us to hone our skills. There are smarter ways to raise revenue and this is certainly not one of them. What is worse is that this taxation regime is not going to give our budget deficit any significant dent.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
The Tax exempt status of ICT things was just an incentive to allow investment. It was a holiday which is now over. Govt services cost
money.
Where are they supposed to get it if not through taxes? Point is should be we should raise hell when it is stolen or misused not complain about paying it.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Boss, please Accept & Move on. No need for this debate here. It's OT
:-)
Just find out how to beat it digitally.
On 4 September 2013 12:25, Patrick Mathenge <kabiroz@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> > May be economists can shed light on this, but question is, can you in > the fullness of time grow an economy through over-taxing the citizens? Put > differently, what is economic growth with reference to the net earning of an > employee or net returns in business? > > Regards, > Patrick Mathenge > > Sent from my BlackBerry® > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Nelson <
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Bwana Lawi, That is not correct. Most of the items you buy with 16% VAT have also paid some form of taxes. Import Duty: 25% of the CIF value Excise Duty: 20% of the (CIF value + Import Duty) IDF: 2.25% of the CIF fuel levy Stamp duty PAYE: 30% but prorated ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh On 5 September 2013 14:27, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
Is it mathematically correct to say that the current tax rate is 46% (assuming 30% PAYE plus 16% VAT)?
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
VAT on books. Still shaking my head
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh
On 5 September 2013 13:42, James Maina <jameskmaina@hotmail.com> wrote:
Interesting discussion.
I've also received a text that KPLC VAT adjusted from 12% to 16%....and they have added a new water levy to elec bills per kwh. There's a new VAT on phones, VAT on every single banking transaction you make, VAT on MPESA, VAT on all imports, VAT on basically everything sold, VAT on rent, new VAT on books (you cant imagine such a thing in a 3rd world country with no reading culture!).
Come to think of it, actually, the VAT/PAYE I pay in a month to the govt may be MORE than the amount I have for saving.
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 12:00:44 +0300 From: mail2lawi@gmail.com To: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke Subject: [Skunkworks] all ICT items are vatable
The rationale behind zero rating tech items, if I remember correctly, was based on the premise that tech plays a very crucial role in vision 2030 and that Kenya needed go give herself an accelerated growth in IT to catch up.
That in itself gave IT the same rating as food in national priority. The problem, however, is that Kenya is a consumer market. We do not produce/manufacture tech stuff. Therefore, so as not to self-defeat, the compromise was to zero rate the tech stuff to spur growth. And it has worked wonders.
On Thursday, September 5, 2013, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
I agree with @mark. In most US states, everything has sales tax except raw food and printed materials (books, magazines). I don't see why computers should get an exemption. Ideally, the broader the tax base, the lower the VAT rate can become. -- Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I do not buy the idea of tax subsidies for tech related matters. Food, healthcare, security yes because these are not primarily or rather should not be primarily profit oriented. Tellin me tech will improve all the above is like telling me everyone needs to eat so we take all our focus to growing potatoes. Technology firms should figure out how to turn a profit while paying taxes like everyone else. Granted I have benefited heavily from the exemption in the past but the supply and demand curves have stabilized. There is enough penetration in the industry for it to be self sustaining.
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
I heard from a source that Servers are not Vat-table. Who has a copy of the new VAT law? OT: Surely why tax books for students. Is somebody smoking something potent? ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh
On 4 September 2013 20:50, Stephen Wanjau <wanjaustev@gmail.com> wrote:
The VAT bill is now law - if my memory serves me right it was passed while JKIA was burning and the unbecoming animal-human relationships were flourishing in the country. Coincidence? No?
Accept and move on as per Wash is the good thing to do but the best is to beat VAT 'digitally' if imports to an EA country and then to +254 for computing gear would prove cheaper.
0.5 cents worth.
Stephen
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Edwin Onyango Owino <edowino@gmail.com> wrote:
It is not as simple as that Mark. We have to look at the whole picture. Computer equipment was taxable in the 90s then the tax was reduced to 5% before being abolished altogether. Was the move beneficial? Absolutely, it removed entry barriers and allowed people who could not procure computers to do so to some extent and enabled some of us to hone our skills. There are smarter ways to raise revenue and this is certainly not one of them. What is worse is that this taxation regime is not going to give our budget deficit any significant dent.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
The Tax exempt status of ICT things was just an incentive to allow investment. It was a holiday which is now over. Govt services cost
money.
Where are they supposed to get it if not through taxes? Point is should be we should raise hell when it is stolen or misused not complain about paying it.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: > > Boss, please Accept & Move on. No need for this debate here. It's OT :-) > > Just find out how to beat it digitally. > > > On 4 September 2013 12:25, Patrick Mathenge <kabiroz@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> May be economists can shed light on this, but question is, can you in >> the fullness of time grow an economy through over-taxing the citizens? Put >> differently, what is economic growth with reference to the net earning of an >> employee or net returns in business? >> >> Regards, >> Patrick Mathenge >> >> Sent from my BlackBerry® >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Adam Nelson <
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[J'Alego Karuoth Nyakwar Osuma] -
Adam Nelson -
Benson Maina -
Bwana Lawi -
Claude D'souza -
Edwin Onyango Owino -
Eva Kimathi -
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Jangita Nyagudi -
Joseph Maina -
Kivuva -
Mark Mwangi -
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