OT- NHIF recorded telephone conversation btw Dr. Kerich and Amit
Kerich negotiated for a bribe http://soundcloud.com/dennis-itumbi/sound-clip-08 http://soundcloud.com/dennis-itumbi/nhif-and-insurance-telephone
When was this mole planted? Or someone at a Telecom company is compromised Thanks From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Chips Funga Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 3:38 PM To: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke Subject: [Skunkworks] OT- NHIF recorded telephone conversation btw Dr. Kerich and Amit Kerich negotiated for a bribe http://soundcloud.com/dennis-itumbi/sound-clip-08 http://soundcloud.com/dennis-itumbi/nhif-and-insurance-telephone
But on a brighter side, he seems to really care about the poor.
this is how deals are made chini ya maji.ati "Usipatie yeye mingi sana". this guy is very arrogant" On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
But on a brighter side, he seems to really care about the poor.
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Ohhhh, I love technology!!! Kind Regards, *“Don't undertake a project unless it is manifestly important and nearly impossible” Edwin Land* On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 4:06 PM, steven maina <ndungustephenm@gmail.com>wrote:
this is how deals are made chini ya maji.ati "Usipatie yeye mingi sana". this guy is very arrogant"
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com>wrote:
But on a brighter side, he seems to really care about the poor.
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That bug was definitely planted in that office (this was not tapped on the telco side). You can pick out some background noise at the end of the call. I have a feeling there are many more recordings and this is only a tip of the iceberg. On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 4:06 PM, steven maina <ndungustephenm@gmail.com>wrote:
this is how deals are made chini ya maji.ati "Usipatie yeye mingi sana". this guy is very arrogant"
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com>wrote:
But on a brighter side, he seems to really care about the poor.
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if the bug was in the office, we wouldnt be hearing conversation on both ends ...dont you think so? unless...this conversation was taking place on speaker phone..... just thinking..... *“Don't undertake a project unless it is manifestly important and nearly impossible” Edwin Land* On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Anthony Lenya <tlensya@gmail.com> wrote:
That bug was definitely planted in that office (this was not tapped on the telco side). You can pick out some background noise at the end of the call. I have a feeling there are many more recordings and this is only a tip of the iceberg.
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 4:06 PM, steven maina <ndungustephenm@gmail.com>wrote:
this is how deals are made chini ya maji.ati "Usipatie yeye mingi sana". this guy is very arrogant"
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com>wrote:
But on a brighter side, he seems to really care about the poor.
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Conversation is definitely on speaker phone. On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
if the bug was in the office, we wouldnt be hearing conversation on both ends ...dont you think so? unless...this conversation was taking place on speaker phone.....
just thinking.....
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On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Anthony Lenya <tlensya@gmail.com> wrote:
That bug was definitely planted in that office (this was not tapped on the telco side). You can pick out some background noise at the end of the call. I have a feeling there are many more recordings and this is only a tip of the iceberg.
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 4:06 PM, steven maina <ndungustephenm@gmail.com>wrote:
this is how deals are made chini ya maji.ati "Usipatie yeye mingi sana". this guy is very arrogant"
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com>wrote:
But on a brighter side, he seems to really care about the poor.
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the bug is in the office...last clip at the end when conversation ends..you hear other guys speaking with Kerich...but this guy bana...hongo live On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Anthony Lenya <tlensya@gmail.com> wrote:
Conversation is definitely on speaker phone.
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
if the bug was in the office, we wouldnt be hearing conversation on both ends ...dont you think so? unless...this conversation was taking place on speaker phone.....
just thinking.....
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On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Anthony Lenya <tlensya@gmail.com> wrote:
That bug was definitely planted in that office (this was not tapped on the telco side). You can pick out some background noise at the end of the call. I have a feeling there are many more recordings and this is only a tip of the iceberg.
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 4:06 PM, steven maina <ndungustephenm@gmail.com> wrote:
this is how deals are made chini ya maji.ati "Usipatie yeye mingi sana". this guy is very arrogant"
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
But on a brighter side, he seems to really care about the poor.
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Is this information legally actionable? Given that there was no court order issued for the wire-tap of the listening device, can this be used in a Court of Law? As much as he doesn't directly ask for a bribe. And what about privacy? I assume one has some expectation of privacy when conducting electronic communications. Now I can relate to the movies where such people have their offices swept for bugs everyday.
I think we have established with all certainty that the bug was in the office. That is why Kerich sounds very clear and Amit sounds like he is at a distance - just like a normal phone call sounds. The incoming calls alerts in the middle of the conversation are a bit faint. The phone is also a physical one and not a softphone otherwise we wouldn't be hearing the loud button presses. At this point it is clear that we are dealing with a physical bug and not some computer trojan recording the conversation. Notice something weird, when the call starts, it sounds like Kerich was further away from the phone and the call was very faint but the moment he makes an adjustment the sound becomes clear! Leading me to conclude that the bug was on Kerich and he may have been recording the call himself to use it for something else - leverage? Just to prove my point, if you were making a deal that had the potential of swinging a lot of CORRUPT MONEY your way, would you have it on speakerphone for everyone to hear what you were doing or would you stick it as close as possible to your ear? Think about it! My lawyer friends have alluded to the fact that digital evidence is not admissible in Kenyan courts since it is "too prone to manipulation" These audio clips may not be considered as evidence. On 22 May 2012 16:40, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
Is this information legally actionable? Given that there was no court order issued for the wire-tap of the listening device, can this be used in a Court of Law? As much as he doesn't directly ask for a bribe.
And what about privacy? I assume one has some expectation of privacy when conducting electronic communications.
Now I can relate to the movies where such people have their offices swept for bugs everyday.
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@ Mouz; Even with no 'evidence' - the clip can still play a major role. If the said events are set in motion; documents are signed; money is exchanged; the said person is approached; the said person tries to implement to 'Ma-Workers' what is discussed in tape ... If the clip is submitted before the onset of events to eg KACC, then quiet investigations can be based on the leads as long as the parties are not alerted.
@Stephen I agree with you, it could set the grounds for investigation. On 29 May 2012 12:56, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Mouz;
Even with no 'evidence' - the clip can still play a major role. If the said events are set in motion; documents are signed; money is exchanged; the said person is approached; the said person tries to implement to 'Ma-Workers' what is discussed in tape ...
If the clip is submitted before the onset of events to eg KACC, then quiet investigations can be based on the leads as long as the parties are not alerted.
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Anthony Lenya -
Chips Funga -
Judy Okite -
Kimani : TransTech " Love For Tech Stuff" -
Moses Muya -
ndungu stephen -
Philip Musyoki -
Simon Wainaina -
steven maina