Hey people on SilverLight in KE About 2-3 weeks ago, the game dev journey led me to SilverLight4 as a platform so I bought some ebooks to read on while with no impact on changing course. Anyway, while looking at the pre-requisites of SilverLight4, it seems to fully understand it, I'll be going through asp.net, ajax, xml, sql, java, atom etc. which takes me away from possible game dev and into possible web dev. A big positive is that I can finally consider implementing my content, portal ideas and sites which have been lying idle for a while. Its a long road ahead and if anyone has some exposure on SilverLight platform your adv would be appreciated. I've googled ( and msdn too ) everyting I needed to get started so am pretty comfortable there but it'd be nice to hear from those on the platform already. Else, catchup soon. :-) Rgds.
The correct spelling is actually Silverlight. And there's nothing to stop you from implementing games using Silverlight. If anything i would imagine it lends itself even better to game development given the ease of use of primitives like animation, geometry, etc. You can even already get pretty functional physics libraries On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:08 PM, The Ice Man <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hey people on SilverLight in KE
About 2-3 weeks ago, the game dev journey led me to SilverLight4 as a platform so I bought some ebooks to read on while with no impact on changing course. Anyway, while looking at the pre-requisites of SilverLight4, it seems to fully understand it, I'll be going through asp.net, ajax, xml, sql, java, atom etc. which takes me away from possible game dev and into possible web dev. A big positive is that I can finally consider implementing my content, portal ideas and sites which have been lying idle for a while. Its a long road ahead and if anyone has some exposure on SilverLight platform your adv would be appreciated. I've googled ( and msdn too ) everyting I needed to get started so am pretty comfortable there but it'd be nice to hear from those on the platform already.
Else, catchup soon. :-)
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On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
The correct spelling is actually Silverlight. And there's nothing to stop you from implementing games using Silverlight. If anything i would imagine it lends itself even better to game development given the ease of use of primitives like animation, geometry, etc. You can even already get pretty functional physics libraries
@Rad, on spelling.... lol! :-) It makes sense to go through the framework spectrum, Silverlight is built on some of them and they are tied in one way or another. No rush from me. I was very old school on asp and I checked out asp.net with c# a few days ago. With the code-behind system, it works pretty well, impressive. Now I can thank Silverlight for another informative journey though I forsee its use towards the end of my study. I read on Atom and its also interesting too. Many many ideas are cropping up. Have you implemented any sites/solutions on Silverlight and any difficulties on development using C# or Ajax or some Java? :-) Rgds.
Am also on the learning train with regards to Silverlight. Personally I think in the next 5-6 years Silverlight will be the preferred Microsoft development platform as it runs on the desktop, on the web and on smart devices (Windows Phone 7 in particular is built on Silverlight 3) What i would suggest you check up on is OData The main challenge I would sa On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 4:23 PM, The Ice Man <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
The correct spelling is actually Silverlight. And there's nothing to stop you from implementing games using Silverlight. If anything i would imagine it lends itself even better to game development given the ease of use of primitives like animation, geometry, etc. You can even already get pretty functional physics libraries
@Rad, on spelling.... lol! :-) It makes sense to go through the framework spectrum, Silverlight is built on some of them and they are tied in one way or another. No rush from me. I was very old school on asp and I checked out asp.net with c# a few days ago. With the code-behind system, it works pretty well, impressive. Now I can thank Silverlight for another informative journey though I forsee its use towards the end of my study. I read on Atom and its also interesting too. Many many ideas are cropping up. Have you implemented any sites/solutions on Silverlight and any difficulties on development using C# or Ajax or some Java? :-)
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On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Am also on the learning train with regards to Silverlight. Personally I think in the next 5-6 years Silverlight will be the preferred Microsoft development platform as it runs on the desktop, on the web and on smart devices (Windows Phone 7 in particular is built on Silverlight 3) What i would suggest you check up on is OData
Ok, cheers. :-) If I come across with anything on my long interesting road, will share with you. Rgds.
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:08 PM, The Ice Man <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hey people on SilverLight in KE
About 2-3 weeks ago, the game dev journey led me to SilverLight4 as a platform so I bought some ebooks to read on while with no impact on changing course. Anyway, while looking at the pre-requisites of SilverLight4, it seems to fully understand it, I'll be going through asp.net, ajax, xml, sql, java, atom etc. which takes me away from possible game dev and into possible web dev. A big positive is that I can finally consider implementing my content, portal ideas and sites which have been lying idle for a while. Its a long road ahead and if anyone has some exposure on SilverLight platform your adv would be appreciated. I've googled ( and msdn too ) everyting I needed to get started so am pretty comfortable there but it'd be nice to hear from those on the platform already.
Else, catchup soon. :-)
Is this an excuse to deviate from game development?:-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Is this an excuse to deviate from game development?:-)
Hey @Wash, actually its game dev that got me onto SilverLight because of web platform, after seaching the internet for solutions. I've learnt a lot from game dev ( OOP ) and would highly recommend anyone going into programming to do so. I even realised that at some point I may end up creating a game engine whose code I could re-use on other games but this places limitations in future. Publishing games, paying serious graphics artists is another problem and the kind of competiton from developers out there, hatuna class. If someone has referred me to such information in the start, maybe I'd have re-considered. Outside there, companies, students in Universities are putting in serious time, effort and money into such projects, so given that I looked at the web option of simple games/social games which are nothing graphic intensive etc. And that defeats my challenge and learning curve. To learn a new framework is not easy given that the framework is inter-connected with various other frameworks so if you have any errors, you are stuck. Its a long road, in the process I get to learn about web dev too, something I've not covered over 10 years and is a big bonus for some of my web ideas/sites/portals can happen if time allows. Without correct mentoring, I can tell you it is impossible to know what want to do. In our comms and networks world etc we know what we want to and get it done. In development, it is a bit crazy unless you are working full time on some framework or projects. Who knows, when I get to the middle/end of Silverlight, I may just discover something else.This is the reality many developers face when they are at a cross road. What next is the biggest question? This time around am not setting any specific goals nor targets, have learnt from my other code learning journey. :-) Rgds. ( Me thots )
@Wash, I'll quote some basic info on Silverlight guides I bought and hope it gives a general idea to others who maybe interested in the platform. Already these are mentioning things like WPF, WCF, java, xml and where there is data sql/linq will be involved. Some of the things below I covered in my initial c# learning stage last year when working on the megabytometer but it'll be a mega refresher. - Silverlight Application – Applications are created using a combination of XAML, dynamic code (such as JavaScript) and .NET static languages such as Visual Basic and C#. - XAML – Pronounced “zamel”, this term is an acronym for Extensible Application Markup Language. It is an XML-style syntax that allows developers to define the user interface elements and behavior of those elements. " you must be comfortable with Visual Studio, and have some knowledge of .NET development, be it ASP. NET development or Windows Forms development. As many of the core concepts of .NET development are the same across the different target platforms, the more accustomed you are to them, the easier your transition into Silverlight will be. In addition to basic .NET development skills, you should feel comfortable with XML. You need not have read the specification, but you must know your attributes from your elements, and your namespaces from your angle brackets. You should know what the CLR is and know how to tell the difference between your DLLs and your HTMLs. And finally : one author writes As developers, we are all on a journey of learning and discovery. I was fortunate enough to have delved into the worlds of ASP.NET, Windows Forms, and WPF before encountering Silverlight. Now, let's discuss who you are and see how best to approach Silverlight. Dude, this is minimum at least 1 to 2 years of learning. I just came across Silverlight less than a month ago. People are MCPDs, full time devs and they come across many newer developments. There are no shortcuts. At the end of this trip and all the efforts, will I really want to do games? Difficult to tell at this stage. Cheers. :-)
Would you be in a position to do a silverlight post on our blog? We need the content :) Sent from my iPhone On Aug 17, 2010, at 8:46 PM, The Ice Man <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
@Wash, I'll quote some basic info on Silverlight guides I bought and hope it gives a general idea to others who maybe interested in the platform. Already these are mentioning things like WPF, WCF, java, xml and where there is data sql/linq will be involved. Some of the things below I covered in my initial c# learning stage last year when working on the megabytometer but it'll be a mega refresher.
- Silverlight Application – Applications are created using a combination of XAML, dynamic code (such as JavaScript) and .NET static languages such as Visual Basic and C#.
- XAML – Pronounced “zamel”, this term is an acronym for Extensible Application Markup Language. It is an XML-style syntax that allows developers to define the user interface elements and behavior of those elements.
" you must be comfortable with Visual Studio, and have some knowledge of .NET development, be it ASP. NET development or Windows Forms development. As many of the core concepts of .NET development are the same across the different target platforms, the more accustomed you are to them, the easier your transition into Silverlight will be. In addition to basic .NET development skills, you should feel comfortable with XML. You need not have read the specification, but you must know your attributes from your elements, and your namespaces from your angle brackets. You should know what the CLR is and know how to tell the difference between your DLLs and your HTMLs.
And finally : one author writes
As developers, we are all on a journey of learning and discovery. I was fortunate enough to have delved into the worlds of ASP.NET, Windows Forms, and WPF before encountering Silverlight. Now, let's discuss who you are and see how best to approach Silverlight.
Dude, this is minimum at least 1 to 2 years of learning. I just came across Silverlight less than a month ago. People are MCPDs, full time devs and they come across many newer developments. There are no shortcuts. At the end of this trip and all the efforts, will I really want to do games? Difficult to tell at this stage.
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On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Would you be in a position to do a silverlight post on our blog? We need the content :)
@Phares, I'd love to but am not ready. Give me a few months, when am comfortable and I can definately do something in detail. I still have to do asp.net ( build a test site ) , ajax ( build a test site ), xml, sql, java, atom ( build a test site ) etc. Long but quite interesting way to go. PS : the first Win7 writeup is going to go on the blog starting this weekend. Hope it will be helpful to anyone. :-) Rgds.
ps : Disclaimer = initial thots... Ok, had about an hour to spare today so lightly browsed over a few books on asp.net I have so far. I'm starting to put the bigger picture together. So far I can conclude that web design ( including things like CSS, layouts, forms etc ) is just a 10% of the entire web spectrum. The rest is server side and client side coding. The web is quite interesting, I must say much more than end user apps/games. I remember when I started out on programming last year, I now understand how much I mis-judged it and a big thanks to the Silverlight journey. Agreed that frameworks and templates use is okay, acceptable and not a discussion issue given the recycling of code and fast deployments or econmical reasons. But do kenyan web devs create things like web services and if so any online implementation example to see? What protocols are in use ? Interesting times ahead on study. I'll pop the questions whenever I come across something interesting. As usual, am sharing me thots and corrections welcome. :-)
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 5:04 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
ps : Disclaimer = initial thots...
Ok, maybe I need to rephrase the question I intended to ask i.e eg take kenya airways website. Besides the presentation, does it have anything like web services running because I cannot see anything else on it. It has ticketing, SMS alerts etc. Rgds.
Thing is though, on MS its integral to get into The Azure Platform if you are interested in Silverlight. Check out this Slideshare document that describes both. http://www.slideshare.net/choonngee/azure-and-silverlight Warero <http://www.slideshare.net/choonngee/azure-and-silverlight> On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 5:46 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 5:04 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
ps : Disclaimer = initial thots...
Ok, maybe I need to rephrase the question I intended to ask i.e eg take kenya airways website. Besides the presentation, does it have anything like web services running because I cannot see anything else on it. It has ticketing, SMS alerts etc.
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On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 5:59 PM, William Warero <wwarero@gmail.com> wrote:
Thing is though, on MS its integral to get into The Azure Platform if you are interested in Silverlight. Check out this Slideshare document that describes both. http://www.slideshare.net/choonngee/azure-and-silverlight Warero
@William thnks will have a look. Am pretty set on Silverlight, unless I discover something new along the way. I have a novice question to ask, but will ensure most questions are rare. Many times I have read on this list about browser incompatibilty issues eg I remember sometime back thread about a KRA server that could not be accessed by other browsers etc. From the very brief read I did today, it seems that pretty much is agreed on HTML as a web standard. What would be the reason other browsers, which can also read html, could not open such a site? Was it poor web application design or was it some interpeter code could not covert to html standard or were other browsers trying to establish their own html standards? Rgds.
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 6:58 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 5:59 PM, William Warero <wwarero@gmail.com> wrote:
Thing is though, on MS its integral to get into The Azure Platform if you are interested in Silverlight. Check out this Slideshare document that describes both. http://www.slideshare.net/choonngee/azure-and-silverlight Warero
@William thnks will have a look. Am pretty set on Silverlight, unless I discover something new along the way.
@William, I checked the link and I do apologise that I may not have put forward my questions properly. What I meant by web services is things like eg twitter. Twitter takes the use of web to a new level, though I cannot find what excatly it is about ( from a web angle ). Is twitter a web service developed into a feed, share platform? Its labelled as micro-blogging but technical details are sketchy like Ruby etc. On the kenyan front, is there any site that been developed into something else, besides a website for presence? Poolay, I've got to put my questions on hold until I complete the web part. Maybe then it will make more sense to me. Thanks much for trying. Appreciated. :-) Rgds.
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