use of cms in majority of kenyan startups
Uzanunua, Pigia.me, Sambazasoko, Dudubaya, PataUza, SokoPal, Rupu these are only a few...point is i just dont see anything unique about them rather than being plain cms with pirated premium content, most of which anybody can get quite easily maybe im not seeing the bigger picture no offence
What's wrong with using a CMS? Kelvin www.likechapaa.com <http://www.dukapress.com>www.dukapress.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We help make your website a success. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Jacob Ayienda <jacobayienda@gmail.com>wrote:
Uzanunua, Pigia.me, Sambazasoko, Dudubaya, PataUza, SokoPal, Rupu
these are only a few...point is i just dont see anything unique about them rather than being plain cms with pirated premium content, most of which anybody can get quite easily
maybe im not seeing the bigger picture
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I actually dont see a problem with using a CMS, actually its the allegation about pirated premium content that i would love to hear you defend... On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Kelvin <kjayanoris@gmail.com> wrote:
What's wrong with using a CMS?
Kelvin www.likechapaa.com <http://www.dukapress.com>www.dukapress.org
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On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Jacob Ayienda <jacobayienda@gmail.com>wrote:
Uzanunua, Pigia.me, Sambazasoko, Dudubaya, PataUza, SokoPal, Rupu
these are only a few...point is i just dont see anything unique about them rather than being plain cms with pirated premium content, most of which anybody can get quite easily
maybe im not seeing the bigger picture
no offence _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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I won't defend it! I'm as much against it as anyone. My question is: how can one be sure that they are actually using pirated stuff? Kelvin www.likechapaa.com <http://www.dukapress.com>www.dukapress.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We help make your website a success. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
I actually dont see a problem with using a CMS, actually its the allegation about pirated premium content that i would love to hear you defend...
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Kelvin <kjayanoris@gmail.com> wrote:
What's wrong with using a CMS?
Kelvin www.likechapaa.com <http://www.dukapress.com>www.dukapress.org
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We help make your website a success.
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On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Jacob Ayienda <jacobayienda@gmail.com>wrote:
Uzanunua, Pigia.me, Sambazasoko, Dudubaya, PataUza, SokoPal, Rupu
these are only a few...point is i just dont see anything unique about them rather than being plain cms with pirated premium content, most of which anybody can get quite easily
maybe im not seeing the bigger picture
no offence _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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unless... On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Kelvin <kjayanoris@gmail.com> wrote:
I won't defend it! I'm as much against it as anyone.
My question is: how can one be sure that they are actually using pirated stuff?
Kelvin www.likechapaa.com <http://www.dukapress.com>www.dukapress.org
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On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
I actually dont see a problem with using a CMS, actually its the allegation about pirated premium content that i would love to hear you defend...
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Kelvin <kjayanoris@gmail.com> wrote:
What's wrong with using a CMS?
Kelvin www.likechapaa.com <http://www.dukapress.com>www.dukapress.org
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We help make your website a success.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Jacob Ayienda <jacobayienda@gmail.com>wrote:
Uzanunua, Pigia.me, Sambazasoko, Dudubaya, PataUza, SokoPal, Rupu
these are only a few...point is i just dont see anything unique about them rather than being plain cms with pirated premium content, most of which anybody can get quite easily
maybe im not seeing the bigger picture
no offence _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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I meant to say premium components similar to those in joomla. I highly doubt any investor will buy out a site built on a publicly available cms. That is why facebook is unbeatable even with the billions available to its competitors i.e google On 1/1/11, Kelvin <kjayanoris@gmail.com> wrote:
I won't defend it! I'm as much against it as anyone.
My question is: how can one be sure that they are actually using pirated stuff?
Kelvin www.likechapaa.com <http://www.dukapress.com>www.dukapress.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We help make your website a success. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
I actually dont see a problem with using a CMS, actually its the allegation about pirated premium content that i would love to hear you defend...
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Kelvin <kjayanoris@gmail.com> wrote:
What's wrong with using a CMS?
Kelvin www.likechapaa.com <http://www.dukapress.com>www.dukapress.org
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We help make your website a success.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Jacob Ayienda <jacobayienda@gmail.com>wrote:
Uzanunua, Pigia.me, Sambazasoko, Dudubaya, PataUza, SokoPal, Rupu
these are only a few...point is i just dont see anything unique about them rather than being plain cms with pirated premium content, most of which anybody can get quite easily
maybe im not seeing the bigger picture
no offence _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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If a CMS covers the need of what the person needs, then why re-invent the wheel? Did you know that CNN, BBC and other content publishers use Wordpress for publishing? Its only customized to meet their needs. If you wanna build your own its alright but I think I would rather spend time on strategy than development. David. On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 11:02 PM, Jacob Ayienda <jacobayienda@gmail.com>wrote:
I meant to say premium components similar to those in joomla. I highly doubt any investor will buy out a site built on a publicly available cms. That is why facebook is unbeatable even with the billions available to its competitors i.e google
On 1/1/11, Kelvin <kjayanoris@gmail.com> wrote:
I won't defend it! I'm as much against it as anyone.
My question is: how can one be sure that they are actually using pirated stuff?
Kelvin www.likechapaa.com <http://www.dukapress.com>www.dukapress.org
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We help make your website a success.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com wrote:
I actually dont see a problem with using a CMS, actually its the allegation about pirated premium content that i would love to hear you defend...
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Kelvin <kjayanoris@gmail.com> wrote:
What's wrong with using a CMS?
Kelvin www.likechapaa.com <http://www.dukapress.com>www.dukapress.org
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
We help make your website a success.
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Jacob Ayienda <jacobayienda@gmail.com>wrote:
Uzanunua, Pigia.me, Sambazasoko, Dudubaya, PataUza, SokoPal, Rupu
these are only a few...point is i just dont see anything unique about them rather than being plain cms with pirated premium content, most of which anybody can get quite easily
maybe im not seeing the bigger picture
no offence _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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@David I object, Actually BBC uses a custom CMS developed by a team working for the BBC although a small part of BCC website is powered by Drupal. CNN also uses a custom CMS built in-house. ----- "David Mugo" <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote:
If a CMS covers the need of what the person needs, then why re-invent the wheel? Did you know that CNN, BBC and other content publishers use Wordpress for publishing? Its only customized to meet their needs.
If you wanna build your own its alright but I think I would rather spend time on strategy than development.
David.
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 11:02 PM, Jacob Ayienda < jacobayienda@gmail.com > wrote:
I meant to say premium components similar to those in joomla. I highly
doubt any investor will buy out a site built on a publicly available cms. That is why facebook is unbeatable even with the billions available to its competitors i.e google
On 1/1/11, Kelvin < kjayanoris@gmail.com > wrote:
I won't defend it! I'm as much against it as anyone.
My question is: how can one be sure that they are actually using pirated stuff?
Kelvin www.likechapaa..com < http://www.dukapress.com > www.dukapress.org
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We help make your website a success. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Collins Areba < arebacollins@gmail.com >wrote:
I actually dont see a problem with using a CMS, actually its the allegation about pirated premium content that i would love to hear you defend....
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Kelvin < kjayanoris@gmail.com > wrote:
What's wrong with using a CMS?
Kelvin www.likechapaa.com < http://www.dukapress.com > www.dukapress.org
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On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Jacob Ayienda < jacobayienda@gmail.com >wrote:
Uzanunua, Pigia.me, Sambazasoko, Dudubaya, PataUza, SokoPal, Rupu
these are only a few...point is i just dont see anything unique about them rather than being plain cms with pirated premium content, most of which anybody can get quite easily
maybe im not seeing the bigger picture
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@Jacob, I agree with you pretty much completely. However, don't you think that when you are really really new and just starting out there is a good case to use a CMS. It may have several benefits: - may be the fastest way to get out a working prototype (in line with the MVP idea <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_viable_product>) - may be much, much cheaper For instance, did you know that Groupon started out as a simple wordpress site/blog<http://www.tomloverro.com/2010/08/19/groupon-1-0-started-on-a-wordpress-blog/> ? I am not saying that using CMSes makes sense all the time but I do think sometimes it makes better sense to start out using a common, easy CMS and then get more custom when you get traction/funding/revenues. Ama aje? Cheers. Kelvin www.likechapaa.com <http://www.dukapress.com>www.dukapress.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We help make your website a success. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 11:25 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
@David I object, Actually BBC uses a custom CMS developed by a team working for the BBC although a small part of BCC website is powered by Drupal. CNN also uses a custom CMS built in-house.
----- "David Mugo" <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote:
If a CMS covers the need of what the person needs, then why re-invent the wheel? Did you know that CNN, BBC and other content publishers use Wordpress for publishing? Its only customized to meet their needs.
If you wanna build your own its alright but I think I would rather spend time on strategy than development.
David.
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 11:02 PM, Jacob Ayienda <jacobayienda@gmail.com<jacobayienda@gmail..com> wrote:
I meant to say premium components similar to those in joomla. I highly
doubt any investor will buy out a site built on a publicly available cms. That is why facebook is unbeatable even with the billions available to its competitors i.e google
On 1/1/11, Kelvin <kjayanoris@gmail.com> wrote:
I won't defend it! I'm as much against it as anyone.
My question is: how can one be sure that they are actually using pirated stuff?
Kelvin www.likechapaa..com <http://www.likechapaa.com>
We help make your website a success.
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com
wrote:
I actually dont see a problem with using a CMS, actually its the allegation about pirated premium content that i would love to hear you
defend....
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Kelvin <kjayanoris@gmail.com> wrote:
What's wrong with using a CMS?
Kelvin www.likechapaa.com
We help make your website a success.
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Jacob Ayienda <jacobayienda@gmail.com>wrote:
> Uzanunua, Pigia.me, Sambazasoko, Dudubaya, PataUza, SokoPal, Rupu > > these are only a few...point is i just dont see anything unique
about
> them rather than being plain cms with pirated premium content, most of > which anybody can get quite easily > > maybe im not seeing the bigger picture > > no offence > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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personally i do support the use of CMS'es for a very simple reason, its practical. I think claiming that its better to use a custom built cms to , say run a blog is myopic at best. there is no substituting the millions of man hours spent on making wordpress what it is. At best learn to customize wp to optimally be a good blog. The same applies to components and plugins, it is about knowing how to use them properly, one because it makes economic sense (enables one to bootstrap first, have something out there and further it if / whenit picks up) and two, because it takes an aweful lot of time to come up with something similar. On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 11:49 PM, Kelvin <kjayanoris@gmail.com> wrote:
@Jacob, I agree with you pretty much completely.
However, don't you think that when you are really really new and just starting out there is a good case to use a CMS. It may have several benefits:
- may be the fastest way to get out a working prototype (in line with the MVP idea <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_viable_product>) - may be much, much cheaper
For instance, did you know that Groupon started out as a simple wordpress site/blog<http://www.tomloverro.com/2010/08/19/groupon-1-0-started-on-a-wordpress-blog/> ?
I am not saying that using CMSes makes sense all the time but I do think sometimes it makes better sense to start out using a common, easy CMS and then get more custom when you get traction/funding/revenues. Ama aje?
Cheers.
Kelvin www.likechapaa.com <http://www.dukapress.com>www.dukapress.org
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On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 11:25 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
@David I object, Actually BBC uses a custom CMS developed by a team working for the BBC although a small part of BCC website is powered by Drupal. CNN also uses a custom CMS built in-house.
----- "David Mugo" <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote:
If a CMS covers the need of what the person needs, then why re-invent the wheel? Did you know that CNN, BBC and other content publishers use Wordpress for publishing? Its only customized to meet their needs.
If you wanna build your own its alright but I think I would rather spend time on strategy than development.
David.
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 11:02 PM, Jacob Ayienda <jacobayienda@gmail.com<jacobayienda@gmail..com> wrote:
I meant to say premium components similar to those in joomla. I highly
doubt any investor will buy out a site built on a publicly available cms. That is why facebook is unbeatable even with the billions available to its competitors i.e google
On 1/1/11, Kelvin <kjayanoris@gmail.com> wrote:
I won't defend it! I'm as much against it as anyone.
My question is: how can one be sure that they are actually using pirated stuff?
Kelvin www.likechapaa..com <http://www.likechapaa.com>
We help make your website a success.
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Collins Areba <
arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
I actually dont see a problem with using a CMS, actually its the allegation about pirated premium content that i would love to hear you
defend....
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Kelvin <kjayanoris@gmail.com>
wrote:
> What's wrong with using a CMS? > > Kelvin > www.likechapaa.com
> >
> We help make your website a success. > >
> > > > On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Jacob Ayienda > <jacobayienda@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Uzanunua, Pigia.me, Sambazasoko, Dudubaya, PataUza, SokoPal, Rupu >> >> these are only a few...point is i just dont see anything unique about >> them rather than being plain cms with pirated premium content, most of >> which anybody can get quite easily >> >> maybe im not seeing the bigger picture >> >> no offence >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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I agree with Collins on this one. CMSes are already built and functional. Unless you come up with a unique CMS that functions differently and provides an easier service, then why build another? Plus not all of us are strong developers/programmers. You should focus on the business strategy as David said earlier. At the end of the day, it is all about business making profits. Regards.
personally i do support the use of CMS'es for a very simple reason, its practical. I think claiming that its better to use a custom built cms to , say run a blog is myopic at best. there is no substituting the millions of man hours spent on making wordpress what it is. At best learn to customize wp to optimally be a good blog.
The same applies to components and plugins, it is about knowing how to use them properly, one because it makes economic sense (enables one to bootstrap first, have something out there and further it if / whenit picks up) and two, because it takes an aweful lot of time to come up with something similar.
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 11:49 PM, Kelvin <kjayanoris@gmail.com> wrote:
@Jacob, I agree with you pretty much completely.
However, don't you think that when you are really really new and just starting out there is a good case to use a CMS. It may have several benefits:
- may be the fastest way to get out a working prototype (in line with the MVP idea <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_viable_product>) - may be much, much cheaper
For instance, did you know that Groupon started out as a simple wordpress site/blog<http://www.tomloverro.com/2010/08/19/groupon-1-0-started-on-a-wordpress-blog/> ?
I am not saying that using CMSes makes sense all the time but I do think sometimes it makes better sense to start out using a common, easy CMS and then get more custom when you get traction/funding/revenues. Ama aje?
Cheers.
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On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 11:25 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
@David I object, Actually BBC uses a custom CMS developed by a team working for the BBC although a small part of BCC website is powered by Drupal. CNN also uses a custom CMS built in-house.
----- "David Mugo" <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote:
If a CMS covers the need of what the person needs, then why re-invent the wheel? Did you know that CNN, BBC and other content publishers use Wordpress for publishing? Its only customized to meet their needs.
If you wanna build your own its alright but I think I would rather spend time on strategy than development.
David.
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 11:02 PM, Jacob Ayienda <jacobayienda@gmail.com<jacobayienda@gmail..com> wrote:
I meant to say premium components similar to those in joomla. I highly
doubt any investor will buy out a site built on a publicly available cms. That is why facebook is unbeatable even with the billions available to its competitors i.e google
On 1/1/11, Kelvin <kjayanoris@gmail.com> wrote:
I won't defend it! I'm as much against it as anyone.
My question is: how can one be sure that they are actually using pirated stuff?
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> I actually dont see a problem with using a CMS, actually its the > allegation > about pirated premium content that i would love to hear you
defend....
> > > On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Kelvin <kjayanoris@gmail.com> wrote: > >> What's wrong with using a CMS? >> >> Kelvin >> www.likechapaa.com
>> >>
>> We help make your website a success. >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Jacob Ayienda >> <jacobayienda@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Uzanunua, Pigia.me, Sambazasoko, Dudubaya, PataUza, SokoPal, Rupu >>> >>> these are only a few...point is i just dont see anything unique about >>> them rather than being plain cms with pirated premium content, most of >>> which anybody can get quite easily >>> >>> maybe im not seeing the bigger picture >>> >>> no offence >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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You should also note that there is an acute shortage of programmers (not CMS implementers) in the country hence you may spend lots of time looking for a competent one.
@Kioko, well put. On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
You should also note that there is an acute shortage of programmers (not CMS implementers) in the country hence you may spend lots of time looking for a competent one. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
on the other hand, there are also jobless programmers but the amount offered to them is a turn down, hence they shun programming
Whats wrong with using a CMS? Shall we re-invent the wheel just to be unique? There is no bigger picture because there is no need for a bigger picture! How about rolling out your own unique "free" email service - after all, gmail, yahoo, hotmail aren't unique anymore. I don't see your point. Please elaborate. On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Jacob Ayienda <jacobayienda@gmail.com>wrote:
Uzanunua, Pigia.me, Sambazasoko, Dudubaya, PataUza, SokoPal, Rupu
these are only a few...point is i just dont see anything unique about them rather than being plain cms with pirated premium content, most of which anybody can get quite easily
maybe im not seeing the bigger picture
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On 1 January 2011 20:32, Jacob Ayienda <jacobayienda@gmail.com> wrote:
Uzanunua, Pigia.me, Sambazasoko, Dudubaya, PataUza, SokoPal, Rupu
these are only a few...point is i just dont see anything unique about them rather than being plain cms with pirated premium content, most of which anybody can get quite easily
I also have it on very good authority that many of these start ups use computers they did not manufacture from scratch themselves. These computers can also be gotten very easily from computer shops. In addition these companies also use Operating Systems on those computers which they did not build from scratch. You may be shocked to learn that many use Windows, OS X and *nix distros - all of which anyone can get quite easily. What was most shocking however was that these companies all use electricity from the national grid! Can you believe that one of them generate their own stima?! They use electricity which is available to nearly everybody easily through sockets in the wall! Before you insist they build their own CMSes you should focus on the scandal of them using computers they did not weld themselves, OS they did not code themselves and on the biggest scandal of all - that they do not generate their own electricity! Who would trust a company that actually buys computers and uses readily available Operating Systems and does not generate their electricity? or perhaps I am missing the big picture? -- Pamoja e:daudi.were@gmail.com <e%3Adaudi.were@gmail.com> skype: d.were
wah wah wah wah... and the offices they work from? the clothes they wear and the toyotas and mitsubishi' s? On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1 January 2011 20:32, Jacob Ayienda <jacobayienda@gmail.com> wrote:
Uzanunua, Pigia.me, Sambazasoko, Dudubaya, PataUza, SokoPal, Rupu
these are only a few...point is i just dont see anything unique about them rather than being plain cms with pirated premium content, most of which anybody can get quite easily
I also have it on very good authority that many of these start ups use computers they did not manufacture from scratch themselves. These computers can also be gotten very easily from computer shops.
In addition these companies also use Operating Systems on those computers which they did not build from scratch. You may be shocked to learn that many use Windows, OS X and *nix distros - all of which anyone can get quite easily.
What was most shocking however was that these companies all use electricity from the national grid! Can you believe that one of them generate their own stima?! They use electricity which is available to nearly everybody easily through sockets in the wall!
Before you insist they build their own CMSes you should focus on the scandal of them using computers they did not weld themselves, OS they did not code themselves and on the biggest scandal of all - that they do not generate their own electricity!
Who would trust a company that actually buys computers and uses readily available Operating Systems and does not generate their electricity?
or perhaps I am missing the big picture?
-- Pamoja
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at this rate, Skunkworks may put http://boards.4chan.org/new/ to shame
The bigger picture is Short cuts(using someone elses technology)= less money and power Create your own, and its unique = Potential lots of money The deeper your technology(down to electricity grid) and the more unique...the potential for more money and power is endless. We cant all invent or develop but if you want to, you are free to spend hours and sweat doing it and who knows,you could be the next facebook! average CMS developer= average quick cash and narrowing margins as each tom dick and mary starts to do it coz its simple. Hardcore coder= more money and more sustainable career since demand wont grow much coz everyone is focused on previous point On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1 January 2011 20:32, Jacob Ayienda <jacobayienda@gmail.com> wrote:
Uzanunua, Pigia.me, Sambazasoko, Dudubaya, PataUza, SokoPal, Rupu
these are only a few...point is i just dont see anything unique about them rather than being plain cms with pirated premium content, most of which anybody can get quite easily
I also have it on very good authority that many of these start ups use computers they did not manufacture from scratch themselves. These computers can also be gotten very easily from computer shops.
In addition these companies also use Operating Systems on those computers which they did not build from scratch. You may be shocked to learn that many use Windows, OS X and *nix distros - all of which anyone can get quite easily.
What was most shocking however was that these companies all use electricity from the national grid! Can you believe that one of them generate their own stima?! They use electricity which is available to nearly everybody easily through sockets in the wall!
Before you insist they build their own CMSes you should focus on the scandal of them using computers they did not weld themselves, OS they did not code themselves and on the biggest scandal of all - that they do not generate their own electricity!
Who would trust a company that actually buys computers and uses readily available Operating Systems and does not generate their electricity?
or perhaps I am missing the big picture?
-- Pamoja
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average CMS developer= average quick cash and narrowing margins as each tom dick and mary starts to do it coz its simple. Hardcore coder= more money and more sustainable career since demand wont grow much coz everyone is focused on previous point
I think this is only true if your core business is selling CMSes. If you are in the business of selling, say Pink Land Rovers, - does it matter if your site is Joomla, WordPress, Drupal or a custom system? They key argument was that start ups were hurting their businesses using readily available CMSes rather than custom engines. If what you are doing is selling cheap concert tickets and music CDs then how do you benefit from having custom everything down to the grid? If however your core business is all about selling custom CMSes then yes perhaps the argument holds. -- Pamoja e:daudi.were@gmail.com <e%3Adaudi.were@gmail.com> skype: d.were
Facebook uses php, perhaps they should have created their own language that is deeper in technology and power is endless. I use Joomla! 2011/1/3 Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>
The bigger picture is
Short cuts(using someone elses technology)= less money and power Create your own, and its unique = Potential lots of money
The deeper your technology(down to electricity grid) and the more unique...the potential for more money and power is endless.
We cant all invent or develop but if you want to, you are free to spend hours and sweat doing it and who knows,you could be the next facebook!
average CMS developer= average quick cash and narrowing margins as each tom dick and mary starts to do it coz its simple. Hardcore coder= more money and more sustainable career since demand wont grow much coz everyone is focused on previous point
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1 January 2011 20:32, Jacob Ayienda <jacobayienda@gmail.com> wrote:
Uzanunua, Pigia.me, Sambazasoko, Dudubaya, PataUza, SokoPal, Rupu
these are only a few...point is i just dont see anything unique about them rather than being plain cms with pirated premium content, most of which anybody can get quite easily
I also have it on very good authority that many of these start ups use computers they did not manufacture from scratch themselves. These computers can also be gotten very easily from computer shops.
In addition these companies also use Operating Systems on those computers which they did not build from scratch. You may be shocked to learn that many use Windows, OS X and *nix distros - all of which anyone can get quite easily.
What was most shocking however was that these companies all use electricity from the national grid! Can you believe that one of them generate their own stima?! They use electricity which is available to nearly everybody easily through sockets in the wall!
Before you insist they build their own CMSes you should focus on the scandal of them using computers they did not weld themselves, OS they did not code themselves and on the biggest scandal of all - that they do not generate their own electricity!
Who would trust a company that actually buys computers and uses readily available Operating Systems and does not generate their electricity?
or perhaps I am missing the big picture?
-- Pamoja
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@kuria but they have... facebook converts php to c++, so they write in php but actually runs as C++, the project is called HipHop http://developers.facebook.com/blog/post/358 @kioko i see you lurk /b/ On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Gichingiri Kuria <gmail@gichingiri.com>wrote:
Facebook uses php, perhaps they should have created their own language that is deeper in technology and power is endless. I use Joomla!
2011/1/3 Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>
The bigger picture is
Short cuts(using someone elses technology)= less money and power Create your own, and its unique = Potential lots of money
The deeper your technology(down to electricity grid) and the more unique...the potential for more money and power is endless.
We cant all invent or develop but if you want to, you are free to spend hours and sweat doing it and who knows,you could be the next facebook!
average CMS developer= average quick cash and narrowing margins as each tom dick and mary starts to do it coz its simple. Hardcore coder= more money and more sustainable career since demand wont grow much coz everyone is focused on previous point
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1 January 2011 20:32, Jacob Ayienda <jacobayienda@gmail.com> wrote:
Uzanunua, Pigia.me, Sambazasoko, Dudubaya, PataUza, SokoPal, Rupu
these are only a few...point is i just dont see anything unique about them rather than being plain cms with pirated premium content, most of which anybody can get quite easily
I also have it on very good authority that many of these start ups use computers they did not manufacture from scratch themselves. These computers can also be gotten very easily from computer shops.
In addition these companies also use Operating Systems on those computers which they did not build from scratch. You may be shocked to learn that many use Windows, OS X and *nix distros - all of which anyone can get quite easily.
What was most shocking however was that these companies all use electricity from the national grid! Can you believe that one of them generate their own stima?! They use electricity which is available to nearly everybody easily through sockets in the wall!
Before you insist they build their own CMSes you should focus on the scandal of them using computers they did not weld themselves, OS they did not code themselves and on the biggest scandal of all - that they do not generate their own electricity!
Who would trust a company that actually buys computers and uses readily available Operating Systems and does not generate their electricity?
or perhaps I am missing the big picture?
-- Pamoja
e:daudi.were@gmail.com <e%3Adaudi.were@gmail.com> skype: d.were
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-- Sent from my Voice Recognition Watch© -------------------------------------------------------------------- Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate,but that we are powerful beyond measure.It is our light, not our darkness, that frightens us.There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you.As we let our own light shine, we consciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our fear,our presence automatically liberates others.
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on @joram's comments, and interpreting the question on this thread, i think @daudi has captured it in its entirety. on the same breath @joram, there is always the place for variety and there is always the place for volumes. CMS'es are designed for the masses, so even if you go down and do your own code, if you intend to make sales to millions (drive volumes) it will have to look (or at lease behave) like present day CMS'es, which then makes no sense cause the rest have a head start. On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Chris Mwirigi <mwirigic@gmail.com> wrote:
@kuria but they have... facebook converts php to c++, so they write in php but actually runs as C++, the project is called HipHop http://developers.facebook.com/blog/post/358
@kioko i see you lurk /b/
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Gichingiri Kuria <gmail@gichingiri.com>wrote:
Facebook uses php, perhaps they should have created their own language that is deeper in technology and power is endless. I use Joomla!
2011/1/3 Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>
The bigger picture is
Short cuts(using someone elses technology)= less money and power Create your own, and its unique = Potential lots of money
The deeper your technology(down to electricity grid) and the more unique...the potential for more money and power is endless.
We cant all invent or develop but if you want to, you are free to spend hours and sweat doing it and who knows,you could be the next facebook!
average CMS developer= average quick cash and narrowing margins as each tom dick and mary starts to do it coz its simple. Hardcore coder= more money and more sustainable career since demand wont grow much coz everyone is focused on previous point
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com>wrote:
On 1 January 2011 20:32, Jacob Ayienda <jacobayienda@gmail.com> wrote:
Uzanunua, Pigia.me, Sambazasoko, Dudubaya, PataUza, SokoPal, Rupu
these are only a few...point is i just dont see anything unique about them rather than being plain cms with pirated premium content, most of which anybody can get quite easily
I also have it on very good authority that many of these start ups use computers they did not manufacture from scratch themselves. These computers can also be gotten very easily from computer shops.
In addition these companies also use Operating Systems on those computers which they did not build from scratch. You may be shocked to learn that many use Windows, OS X and *nix distros - all of which anyone can get quite easily.
What was most shocking however was that these companies all use electricity from the national grid! Can you believe that one of them generate their own stima?! They use electricity which is available to nearly everybody easily through sockets in the wall!
Before you insist they build their own CMSes you should focus on the scandal of them using computers they did not weld themselves, OS they did not code themselves and on the biggest scandal of all - that they do not generate their own electricity!
Who would trust a company that actually buys computers and uses readily available Operating Systems and does not generate their electricity?
or perhaps I am missing the big picture?
-- Pamoja
e:daudi.were@gmail.com <e%3Adaudi.were@gmail.com> skype: d.were
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-- Sent from my Voice Recognition Watch© -------------------------------------------------------------------- Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate,but that we are powerful beyond measure.It is our light, not our darkness, that frightens us.There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you.As we let our own light shine, we consciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our fear,our presence automatically liberates others.
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I have nothing against CMSes just to be clear(and to avoid making enemies so early in the year). My argument is just that He who owns the technology(or the closer you are to owning it) has more power over it (customization and distribution) ICT technologies are basically technologies built on other technologies(just like davids computer to power grid argument). The higher you go, the simpler the tech becomes and the less customizable,unique and versatile it is .in my opinion, the less the power you have because replication of your idea at the top of the pyramid(or is it bottom in this case) is very very easy so it takes a few weeks(or months if you customise really well) for someone to replicate and run you out of business or encroach into your territory. On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Chris Mwirigi <mwirigic@gmail.com> wrote:
@kuria but they have... facebook converts php to c++, so they write in php but actually runs as C++, the project is called HipHop http://developers.facebook.com/blog/post/358
@kioko i see you lurk /b/
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Gichingiri Kuria <gmail@gichingiri.com>wrote:
Facebook uses php, perhaps they should have created their own language that is deeper in technology and power is endless. I use Joomla!
2011/1/3 Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>
The bigger picture is
Short cuts(using someone elses technology)= less money and power Create your own, and its unique = Potential lots of money
The deeper your technology(down to electricity grid) and the more unique...the potential for more money and power is endless.
We cant all invent or develop but if you want to, you are free to spend hours and sweat doing it and who knows,you could be the next facebook!
average CMS developer= average quick cash and narrowing margins as each tom dick and mary starts to do it coz its simple. Hardcore coder= more money and more sustainable career since demand wont grow much coz everyone is focused on previous point
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com>wrote:
On 1 January 2011 20:32, Jacob Ayienda <jacobayienda@gmail.com> wrote:
Uzanunua, Pigia.me, Sambazasoko, Dudubaya, PataUza, SokoPal, Rupu
these are only a few...point is i just dont see anything unique about them rather than being plain cms with pirated premium content, most of which anybody can get quite easily
I also have it on very good authority that many of these start ups use computers they did not manufacture from scratch themselves. These computers can also be gotten very easily from computer shops.
In addition these companies also use Operating Systems on those computers which they did not build from scratch. You may be shocked to learn that many use Windows, OS X and *nix distros - all of which anyone can get quite easily.
What was most shocking however was that these companies all use electricity from the national grid! Can you believe that one of them generate their own stima?! They use electricity which is available to nearly everybody easily through sockets in the wall!
Before you insist they build their own CMSes you should focus on the scandal of them using computers they did not weld themselves, OS they did not code themselves and on the biggest scandal of all - that they do not generate their own electricity!
Who would trust a company that actually buys computers and uses readily available Operating Systems and does not generate their electricity?
or perhaps I am missing the big picture?
-- Pamoja
e:daudi.were@gmail.com <e%3Adaudi.were@gmail.com> skype: d.were
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-- Sent from my Voice Recognition Watch© -------------------------------------------------------------------- Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate,but that we are powerful beyond measure.It is our light, not our darkness, that frightens us.There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you.As we let our own light shine, we consciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our fear,our presence automatically liberates others.
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@mwrigi, i have been hanging around /new/ looking for my big chance to Troll
To better illustrate my point... if you read todays paper they talk of a Kenyan search engine developed by KCA University student..same article was in the news some time back. How its supposed to be innovative is beyond. Apparently there is no innovation or engineering work done. It is simply a custom search engine anybody can buy and customize. Compare the two below.. Irozho Search Engine - http://www.rozho.com/ Custom Script - http://www.inoutscripts.com/products/inout_search_engine/ I highly doubt they bought..its pretty easy to download it from torrent sites.
@jacob i empathize with you, you have a point but you are putting it out badly. In fact, you end up sounding like youre complaining that someone got a cms (legally or illegally), slapped in some css changes and went to the media (who for all intents and purposes are clueless in many cases) and marketed his product as "new", well, new like "free" of the GPL fame is many things to many people. The only point i get from this is its bad manners to torrent scripts that you are meant to pay for,if however someone actually bought a script like social engine and began a nich social network, will you still have issues with them if they went and marketed it as new? On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Jacob Ayienda <jacobayienda@gmail.com>wrote:
To better illustrate my point...
if you read todays paper they talk of a Kenyan search engine developed by KCA University student..same article was in the news some time back. How its supposed to be innovative is beyond. Apparently there is no innovation or engineering work done. It is simply a custom search engine anybody can buy and customize. Compare the two below..
Irozho Search Engine - http://www.rozho.com/
Custom Script - http://www.inoutscripts.com/products/inout_search_engine/
I highly doubt they bought..its pretty easy to download it from torrent sites.
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@Jacob, I'm with you 100% on this thread :) ----- "Jacob Ayienda" <jacobayienda@gmail.com> wrote:
To better illustrate my point...
if you read todays paper they talk of a Kenyan search engine developed by KCA University student..same article was in the news some time back. How its supposed to be innovative is beyond. Apparently there is no innovation or engineering work done. It is simply a custom search engine anybody can buy and customize. Compare the two below..
Irozho Search Engine - http://www.rozho.com/
Custom Script - http://www.inoutscripts.com/products/inout_search_engine/
I highly doubt they bought..its pretty easy to download it from torrent sites.
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The 3 types of developers you will find in Africa <http://thiswas.codedinafrica.org/2011/01/01/the-3-types-of-developers-you-will-find-africa/> http://thiswas.codedinafrica.org/2011/01/01/the-3-types-of-developers-you-wi...
nice use of allegory :) good read On 2011-01-03, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
The 3 types of developers you will find in Africa <http://thiswas.codedinafrica.org/2011/01/01/the-3-types-of-developers-you-will-find-africa/>
http://thiswas.codedinafrica.org/2011/01/01/the-3-types-of-developers-you-wi...
-- what i imagine i manifest
the flipside of this argument is that why not all just go for such? http://www.wix.com/create/website <http://www.wix.com/create/website>Ive seen much better templates than some sites designed here in kenya.....so to hell with coding lets all go the template way and save lots of time and money.....why reinvent the wheel? On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Kebaya Mwamba <humphreykebaya@gmail.com>wrote:
nice use of allegory :) good read
On 2011-01-03, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
The 3 types of developers you will find in Africa < http://thiswas.codedinafrica.org/2011/01/01/the-3-types-of-developers-you-wi...
http://thiswas.codedinafrica.org/2011/01/01/the-3-types-of-developers-you-wi...
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I think there are two types of programmers. Those who are and those who aren't. On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
the flipside of this argument is that why not all just go for such?
http://www.wix.com/create/website
<http://www.wix.com/create/website>Ive seen much better templates than some sites designed here in kenya.....so to hell with coding lets all go the template way and save lots of time and money.....why reinvent the wheel?
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Kebaya Mwamba <humphreykebaya@gmail.com>wrote:
nice use of allegory :) good read
On 2011-01-03, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
The 3 types of developers you will find in Africa < http://thiswas.codedinafrica.org/2011/01/01/the-3-types-of-developers-you-wi...
http://thiswas.codedinafrica.org/2011/01/01/the-3-types-of-developers-you-wi...
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With no intention to hijack this thread... I think this<http://thiswas.codedinafrica.org/2011/01/01/the-3-types-of-developers-you-will-find-africa/>post by Richard Ngamita adds to the discussion :-). http://thiswas.codedinafrica.org/2011/01/01/the-3-types-of-developers-you-wi... -- A
@Dennis, thanks for the link. Great to read insider views of the industry. For the record and since my posting is awaiting moderation on the link below, I'm pasting my posting here too. "Hallo Richard, I like your bluntness and that finally someone had the guts to bring out the issues. I’ve brought these up on ocassions and would like to add this to your posting. You missed out that most of the Open Source programmers are really entrepreneurs, nothing more. They seek to make a living/create business of existing platforms because it costs them nothing in terms on asset investments and time. Free Software, as I like to call Open Source, is the long term destruction of any hopes for developers in Africa to do something about creating more localised versions of platforms etc. It will never happen as long as those in developed countries continue to push agendas for free software and its uptake. How well one knows unix commands and can write scripts to create a more stable OS enviroment makes no difference to the developer world. I hope there will be a time when the world economic climate will put the free-software industry out of business and African developers will see the urgency to self develop and keep away from dependencies. In the meantime, we are stuck with entrepreneurs who cannot be labelled as programmers. We must differentiate the skills and the business. The skills rarely exist because most of the code is on a silver plate and thats the unfortunate reality. A few words from a .Net part time hobbyist dev " On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
The 3 types of developers you will find in Africa <http://thiswas.codedinafrica.org/2011/01/01/the-3-types-of-developers-you-will-find-africa/>
http://thiswas.codedinafrica.org/2011/01/01/the-3-types-of-developers-you-wi...
@aki i would summarize your ranting as follows: You are complaining the lack of entrepreneurial ability of the "programmers" because somehow they cant figure a creative way to make money and blaming those that are creative enough to make money out of their skills (the "not programmers"). Me thinks the first lot should stop complaining and demand for a refund from their economics professors. On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 9:34 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Dennis, thanks for the link. Great to read insider views of the industry.
For the record and since my posting is awaiting moderation on the link below, I'm pasting my posting here too.
"Hallo Richard, I like your bluntness and that finally someone had the guts to bring out the issues. I’ve brought these up on ocassions and would like to add this to your posting.
You missed out that most of the Open Source programmers are really entrepreneurs, nothing more. They seek to make a living/create business of existing platforms because it costs them nothing in terms on asset investments and time. Free Software, as I like to call Open Source, is the long term destruction of any hopes for developers in Africa to do something about creating more localised versions of platforms etc. It will never happen as long as those in developed countries continue to push agendas for free software and its uptake.
How well one knows unix commands and can write scripts to create a more stable OS enviroment makes no difference to the developer world. I hope there will be a time when the world economic climate will put the free-software industry out of business and African developers will see the urgency to self develop and keep away from dependencies.
In the meantime, we are stuck with entrepreneurs who cannot be labelled as programmers. We must differentiate the skills and the business. The skills rarely exist because most of the code is on a silver plate and thats the unfortunate reality.
A few words from a .Net part time hobbyist dev "
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
The 3 types of developers you will find in Africa <http://thiswas.codedinafrica.org/2011/01/01/the-3-types-of-developers-you-will-find-africa/>
http://thiswas.codedinafrica.org/2011/01/01/the-3-types-of-developers-you-wi...
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@aki, what would make you more of a coder (.net) that someone else who makes a patch for mysql in c++. is it the .net? If some uses open source and makes a cool array of billions thats to him more profitable than whining away in nets for an array of millions. the reverse would also hold water. *_______________________________________________________________ its ok child, He's heard you * On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@aki i would summarize your ranting as follows:
You are complaining the lack of entrepreneurial ability of the "programmers" because somehow they cant figure a creative way to make money and blaming those that are creative enough to make money out of their skills (the "not programmers").
Me thinks the first lot should stop complaining and demand for a refund from their economics professors.
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 9:34 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Dennis, thanks for the link. Great to read insider views of the industry.
For the record and since my posting is awaiting moderation on the link below, I'm pasting my posting here too.
"Hallo Richard, I like your bluntness and that finally someone had the guts to bring out the issues. I’ve brought these up on ocassions and would like to add this to your posting.
You missed out that most of the Open Source programmers are really entrepreneurs, nothing more. They seek to make a living/create business of existing platforms because it costs them nothing in terms on asset investments and time. Free Software, as I like to call Open Source, is the long term destruction of any hopes for developers in Africa to do something about creating more localised versions of platforms etc. It will never happen as long as those in developed countries continue to push agendas for free software and its uptake.
How well one knows unix commands and can write scripts to create a more stable OS enviroment makes no difference to the developer world. I hope there will be a time when the world economic climate will put the free-software industry out of business and African developers will see the urgency to self develop and keep away from dependencies.
In the meantime, we are stuck with entrepreneurs who cannot be labelled as programmers. We must differentiate the skills and the business. The skills rarely exist because most of the code is on a silver plate and thats the unfortunate reality.
A few words from a .Net part time hobbyist dev "
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
The 3 types of developers you will find in Africa <http://thiswas.codedinafrica.org/2011/01/01/the-3-types-of-developers-you-will-find-africa/>
http://thiswas.codedinafrica.org/2011/01/01/the-3-types-of-developers-you-wi...
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@Collins, for one, I don't think economics professors can teach you how to make money! I think making money from your skills is just something one has to learn the hard way. By trying, making mistakes, trying again, reading widely, meeting people, developing social and marketing skills. For most of us, there is nothing like easy money. As someone said, there are no best writing authors, just best *selling* authors. That's why Bill Gates is a rich man, and no economics professor taught him that... The truth is, most people that try their hands in business don't make it. C'est la vie..... The Ngamita article is interesting. However, the classifications may cover many, but not all developers. Which leads to the question, he says most devs in Africa are PHP and Java. I think it's PHP and .Net, and I think I've met many... I find many guys say they are Java devs but they're more like guys that want to be Java devs. Just my 2 cents.. On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@aki i would summarize your ranting as follows:
You are complaining the lack of entrepreneurial ability of the "programmers" because somehow they cant figure a creative way to make money and blaming those that are creative enough to make money out of their skills (the "not programmers").
Me thinks the first lot should stop complaining and demand for a refund from their economics professors.
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 9:34 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Dennis, thanks for the link. Great to read insider views of the industry.
For the record and since my posting is awaiting moderation on the link below, I'm pasting my posting here too.
"Hallo Richard, I like your bluntness and that finally someone had the guts to bring out the issues. I’ve brought these up on ocassions and would like to add this to your posting.
You missed out that most of the Open Source programmers are really entrepreneurs, nothing more. They seek to make a living/create business of existing platforms because it costs them nothing in terms on asset investments and time. Free Software, as I like to call Open Source, is the long term destruction of any hopes for developers in Africa to do something about creating more localised versions of platforms etc. It will never happen as long as those in developed countries continue to push agendas for free software and its uptake.
How well one knows unix commands and can write scripts to create a more stable OS enviroment makes no difference to the developer world. I hope there will be a time when the world economic climate will put the free-software industry out of business and African developers will see the urgency to self develop and keep away from dependencies.
In the meantime, we are stuck with entrepreneurs who cannot be labelled as programmers. We must differentiate the skills and the business. The skills rarely exist because most of the code is on a silver plate and thats the unfortunate reality.
A few words from a .Net part time hobbyist dev "
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
The 3 types of developers you will find in Africa <http://thiswas.codedinafrica.org/2011/01/01/the-3-types-of-developers-you-will-find-africa/>
http://thiswas.codedinafrica.org/2011/01/01/the-3-types-of-developers-you-wi...
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@Collins, its not a rant but a personal conviction and I stand by it. Being Vendors of any cms system is no different than network people who can configure a cisco box. All you need to know is the commands and where to place them. The lame and shame of programmers is evident in a non-existing kenyan cms system because building one does not have the entrepreneurial sense to it according to them, it may be too much to ask for. This is the whole story in Africa and Open Source. Should they be labelled a programmers/developers because they are not. Bottomline puts them at "Vendee" of "Vendors" therefore are Enterprenuers. Nothing wrong with being Enterprenuers. Me thots. On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@aki i would summarize your ranting as follows:
You are complaining the lack of entrepreneurial ability of the "programmers" because somehow they cant figure a creative way to make money and blaming those that are creative enough to make money out of their skills (the "not programmers").
Me thinks the first lot should stop complaining and demand for a refund from their economics professors.
@aki if you think being a cisco specialist is easy why dont you go and get 3 ccies we see how good you are? This discusion has a problem in that we have people who have romanticised programming and people who actually use the right tools for the right job. I cant write a complete cms from scratch but what is the ROI (return on investment) if I did that for every website that I did? If need be I will write a cms but if not necessary I will use joomla or drupal. Why would someone with a small startup company want to pay me hundred of thousands to develop for him a custom cms? When developing you must understand the requirements of your customer and also how much money he is willing to pay. As much as we may want to be romantic about the whole hacker mentality lets not forget bottom line we all need to eat and time is money. If someone pays you 50k for a site why would you develop a cms from scratch? On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:50 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Collins, its not a rant but a personal conviction and I stand by it. Being Vendors of any cms system is no different than network people who can configure a cisco box. All you need to know is the commands and where to place them. The lame and shame of programmers is evident in a non-existing kenyan cms system because building one does not have the entrepreneurial sense to it according to them, it may be too much to ask for. This is the whole story in Africa and Open Source. Should they be labelled a programmers/developers because they are not. Bottomline puts them at "Vendee" of "Vendors" therefore are Enterprenuers. Nothing wrong with being Enterprenuers.
Me thots.
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@aki i would summarize your ranting as follows:
You are complaining the lack of entrepreneurial ability of the "programmers" because somehow they cant figure a creative way to make money and blaming those that are creative enough to make money out of their skills (the "not programmers").
Me thinks the first lot should stop complaining and demand for a refund from their economics professors.
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@Jacob, personally I have no interest in becoming a ccie except to further increase my knowledge on networks but I already see the word ROI surface on the cms subject. IMHO, lets stick with the Enterprenuers-First/Developers-Later ( now known as EFDL ) part as Vendees of Vendors and everyone will be happy and self justified. :-) On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Jacob Odada <jacob.odada@gmail.com> wrote:
@aki if you think being a cisco specialist is easy why dont you go and get 3 ccies we see how good you are?
This discusion has a problem in that we have people who have romanticised programming and people who actually use the right tools for the right job. I cant write a complete cms from scratch but what is the ROI (return on investment) if I did that for every website that I did? If need be I will write a cms but if not necessary I will use joomla or drupal. Why would someone with a small startup company want to pay me hundred of thousands to develop for him a custom cms? When developing you must understand the requirements of your customer and also how much money he is willing to pay.
As much as we may want to be romantic about the whole hacker mentality lets not forget bottom line we all need to eat and time is money. If someone pays you 50k for a site why would you develop a cms from scratch?
Jacob word !! On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:44 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Jacob, personally I have no interest in becoming a ccie except to further increase my knowledge on networks but I already see the word ROI surface on the cms subject. IMHO, lets stick with the Enterprenuers-First/Developers-Later ( now known as EFDL ) part as Vendees of Vendors and everyone will be happy and self justified. :-)
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Jacob Odada <jacob.odada@gmail.com> wrote:
@aki if you think being a cisco specialist is easy why dont you go and get 3 ccies we see how good you are?
This discusion has a problem in that we have people who have romanticised programming and people who actually use the right tools for the right job. I cant write a complete cms from scratch but what is the ROI (return on investment) if I did that for every website that I did? If need be I will write a cms but if not necessary I will use joomla or drupal. Why would someone with a small startup company want to pay me hundred of thousands to develop for him a custom cms? When developing you must understand the requirements of your customer and also how much money he is willing to pay.
As much as we may want to be romantic about the whole hacker mentality lets not forget bottom line we all need to eat and time is money. If someone pays you 50k for a site why would you develop a cms from scratch?
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what you forget is that it takes a LOT of time and money to develop a cms from scratch. see: http://www.ohloh.net/p?q=cms eg: drupal core $ 2,442,947, 44 Person Years joomla: $ 12,744,398, 232 Person Years plone: $ 3,435,840, 62 Person Years I doubt that you can compete with this ;) On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
Jacob word !!
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:44 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Jacob, personally I have no interest in becoming a ccie except to further increase my knowledge on networks but I already see the word ROI surface on the cms subject. IMHO, lets stick with the Enterprenuers-First/Developers-Later ( now known as EFDL ) part as Vendees of Vendors and everyone will be happy and self justified. :-)
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Jacob Odada <jacob.odada@gmail.com> wrote:
@aki if you think being a cisco specialist is easy why dont you go and get 3 ccies we see how good you are?
This discusion has a problem in that we have people who have romanticised programming and people who actually use the right tools for the right job. I cant write a complete cms from scratch but what is the ROI (return on investment) if I did that for every website that I did? If need be I will write a cms but if not necessary I will use joomla or drupal. Why would someone with a small startup company want to pay me hundred of thousands to develop for him a custom cms? When developing you must understand the requirements of your customer and also how much money he is willing to pay.
As much as we may want to be romantic about the whole hacker mentality lets not forget bottom line we all need to eat and time is money. If someone pays you 50k for a site why would you develop a cms from scratch?
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@Christian, seems the EF-DL will hold true for many years to come unless someone or a group of developers makes a start on a core system. And I'm not talking about enterprenuers/business agents because they are just that ( like I wrote earlier nothing wrong with this ). In the meantime, many other smart vendees of these systems will make them free with features and the developer cms industry will eventually disappear. This whole problem is the creation of the free-software empire and the "evils" its brings. Slowly but surely real developers will not exist in the future except on very different platforms. Me thots. On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Christian Ledermann < christian.ledermann@gmail.com> wrote:
what you forget is that it takes a LOT of time and money to develop a cms from scratch. see: http://www.ohloh.net/p?q=cms
eg: drupal core $ 2,442,947, 44 Person Years joomla: $ 12,744,398, 232 Person Years plone: $ 3,435,840, 62 Person Years
I doubt that you can compete with this ;)
great platforms have been built in Africa particularly in Kenya talking about Ushahidi. long live open source softwares or free or what ever u can call them they actually create more developers who customize solutions for businesses and community at large, i would prefer to concentrate on an idea than on the underlying code, because many exist that's why people who develop ideas become successful On Jan 5, 2011 11:20 AM, "aki" <aki275@gmail.com> wrote: @Christian, seems the EF-DL will hold true for many years to come unless someone or a group of developers makes a start on a core system. And I'm not talking about enterprenuers/business agents because they are just that ( like I wrote earlier nothing wrong with this ). In the meantime, many other smart vendees of these systems will make them free with features and the developer cms industry will eventually disappear. This whole problem is the creation of the free-software empire and the "evils" its brings. Slowly but surely real developers will not exist in the future except on very different platforms. Me thots. On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Christian Ledermann < christian.ledermann@gmail.com> wrote:
what...
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Aki, neither closed nor open source is the problem.the only thing that can kill real developers is software patents. Otherwise as long as there is compilers and script machines, people will always code, whether open or closed source. Accusing one side of this balance simply doesnt cut it with opinions aki. Give us facts. on the other hand. How low can you go in search of recognition? If using cms equals a lame developer, instead of just developing a cms, Why not start off by developing the programming language, then the cms. Oh wait, develop the an OS first then develop the language then the cms on top? Better yet, why not start with the hardware then dev the OS then language then the cms? I mean that would surely be hardcore!! i hope i have made my point which is, it all depends on what you want to achieve and the scarce resources available to you. Dont expect seasoned devs to develop a cms when the populace has not exhausted the current available capability. a personal cms may show you are hardcore, or it may show that you simply cannot integrate other peoples better developed free tools in your work, i.e you are a lame developer. Because all developers use other developers' work On 1/7/11, erick opiyo <e.osoro.net@gmail.com> wrote:
great platforms have been built in Africa particularly in Kenya talking about Ushahidi. long live open source softwares or free or what ever u can call them they actually create more developers who customize solutions for businesses and community at large, i would prefer to concentrate on an idea than on the underlying code, because many exist that's why people who develop ideas become successful
On Jan 5, 2011 11:20 AM, "aki" <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Christian, seems the EF-DL will hold true for many years to come unless someone or a group of developers makes a start on a core system. And I'm not talking about enterprenuers/business agents because they are just that ( like I wrote earlier nothing wrong with this ). In the meantime, many other smart vendees of these systems will make them free with features and the developer cms industry will eventually disappear. This whole problem is the creation of the free-software empire and the "evils" its brings. Slowly but surely real developers will not exist in the future except on very different platforms.
Me thots.
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Christian Ledermann < christian.ledermann@gmail.com> wrote:
what...
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Just testing, sent an OT earlier but it seems not to have made it through. Anyway, if this makes it thru to the list, @Frankline its not about recognition etc. :-) However, from an engineering perspective or other professional fields, its seems that the developer area is quite unique. Its seems that before people become engineers they are already talking about the financials or the money making parts. I think what we maybe lacking are developer engineers, not developer enterprenuers. Thats the big difference and and probably explains why any areas of developing large scale systems is lacking. Me thots. Rgds. :-) On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Frankline Chitwa <frank.chitwa@gmail.com>wrote:
Aki, neither closed nor open source is the problem.the only thing that can kill real developers is software patents. Otherwise as long as there is compilers and script machines, people will always code, whether open or closed source. Accusing one side of this balance simply doesnt cut it with opinions aki. Give us facts.
on the other hand. How low can you go in search of recognition? If using cms equals a lame developer, instead of just developing a cms, Why not start off by developing the programming language, then the cms. Oh wait, develop the an OS first then develop the language then the cms on top? Better yet, why not start with the hardware then dev the OS then language then the cms? I mean that would surely be hardcore!!
i hope i have made my point which is, it all depends on what you want to achieve and the scarce resources available to you. Dont expect seasoned devs to develop a cms when the populace has not exhausted the current available capability.
a personal cms may show you are hardcore, or it may show that you simply cannot integrate other peoples better developed free tools in your work, i.e you are a lame developer. Because all developers use other developers' work
I wonder where Zuckerburg would be today had he decided to use drupal 5 for his pet project thefacebook.com. You know, instead of reinventing the wheel as it were. :) On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 12:04 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Just testing, sent an OT earlier but it seems not to have made it through. Anyway, if this makes it thru to the list, @Frankline its not about recognition etc. :-) However, from an engineering perspective or other professional fields, its seems that the developer area is quite unique. Its seems that before people become engineers they are already talking about the financials or the money making parts. I think what we maybe lacking are developer engineers, not developer enterprenuers. Thats the big difference and and probably explains why any areas of developing large scale systems is lacking.
Me thots.
Rgds. :-)
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Frankline Chitwa <frank.chitwa@gmail.com>wrote:
Aki, neither closed nor open source is the problem.the only thing that can kill real developers is software patents. Otherwise as long as there is compilers and script machines, people will always code, whether open or closed source. Accusing one side of this balance simply doesnt cut it with opinions aki. Give us facts.
on the other hand. How low can you go in search of recognition? If using cms equals a lame developer, instead of just developing a cms, Why not start off by developing the programming language, then the cms. Oh wait, develop the an OS first then develop the language then the cms on top? Better yet, why not start with the hardware then dev the OS then language then the cms? I mean that would surely be hardcore!!
i hope i have made my point which is, it all depends on what you want to achieve and the scarce resources available to you. Dont expect seasoned devs to develop a cms when the populace has not exhausted the current available capability.
a personal cms may show you are hardcore, or it may show that you simply cannot integrate other peoples better developed free tools in your work, i.e you are a lame developer. Because all developers use other developers' work
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People I think you need to differentiate between WEBSITE and WEB APPLICATIONS. WEBSITE - i see no harm in using CMS WEB APP (facebook is a web app to me) - I would think twice before i use a CMS for this. There are plenty of WEBSITE developers/programmers/call them whatever you want. There are not many web app developers/programmers/call them whatever you want/ in Kenya Thats what i see as the difference... On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:00 AM, David Njuguna <dnjuguna@gmail.com> wrote:
I wonder where Zuckerburg would be today had he decided to use drupal 5 for his pet project thefacebook.com. You know, instead of reinventing the wheel as it were.
:)
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 12:04 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Just testing, sent an OT earlier but it seems not to have made it through. Anyway, if this makes it thru to the list, @Frankline its not about recognition etc. :-) However, from an engineering perspective or other professional fields, its seems that the developer area is quite unique. Its seems that before people become engineers they are already talking about the financials or the money making parts. I think what we maybe lacking are developer engineers, not developer enterprenuers. Thats the big difference and and probably explains why any areas of developing large scale systems is lacking.
Me thots.
Rgds. :-)
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Frankline Chitwa <frank.chitwa@gmail.com
wrote:
Aki, neither closed nor open source is the problem.the only thing that can kill real developers is software patents. Otherwise as long as there is compilers and script machines, people will always code, whether open or closed source. Accusing one side of this balance simply doesnt cut it with opinions aki. Give us facts.
on the other hand. How low can you go in search of recognition? If using cms equals a lame developer, instead of just developing a cms, Why not start off by developing the programming language, then the cms. Oh wait, develop the an OS first then develop the language then the cms on top? Better yet, why not start with the hardware then dev the OS then language then the cms? I mean that would surely be hardcore!!
i hope i have made my point which is, it all depends on what you want to achieve and the scarce resources available to you. Dont expect seasoned devs to develop a cms when the populace has not exhausted the current available capability.
a personal cms may show you are hardcore, or it may show that you simply cannot integrate other peoples better developed free tools in your work, i.e you are a lame developer. Because all developers use other developers' work
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@Bernard, A Website is also a Web app, so long as it is dynamic i.e it has scripts (A.S.P, P.H.P, Javascript, Perl, etc) or programs (C / C++ / Vb / C#, Python, JAVA) active on either the client or server side and /or kind-of fetches its data from a store (relational / O-O / XML / flat files, etc) before display. The only condition is that it has to be accessible over a network, through an Intra or the Internet. In those regards, Facebook, Yahoo, Wordpress are some of the biggest Websites in the world today. A C.M.S is just another Web app used to build a Website, so Websites can either be static or dynamic if you have to draw a distinction. Websites are just meant to distribute documents on the WWW system i.e http servers. Please correct me if am wrong. Some statistics. 1) [ http://www.skuggen.com/2010/05/the-1000-largest-websites-in-the-world-2/ ] 2) [ http://techcrunch.com/2009/08/04/facebook-is-now-the-fourth-largest-site-in-...] Regards, Martin. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:00 AM, bernard kioko <bernsoft@gmail.com> wrote:
People
I think you need to differentiate between WEBSITE and WEB APPLICATIONS.
WEBSITE - i see no harm in using CMS WEB APP (facebook is a web app to me) - I would think twice before i use a CMS for this.
There are plenty of WEBSITE developers/programmers/call them whatever you want. There are not many web app developers/programmers/call them whatever you want/ in Kenya
Thats what i see as the difference...
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:00 AM, David Njuguna <dnjuguna@gmail.com>wrote:
I wonder where Zuckerburg would be today had he decided to use drupal 5 for his pet project thefacebook.com. You know, instead of reinventing the wheel as it were.
:)
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 12:04 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Just testing, sent an OT earlier but it seems not to have made it through. Anyway, if this makes it thru to the list, @Frankline its not about recognition etc. :-) However, from an engineering perspective or other professional fields, its seems that the developer area is quite unique. Its seems that before people become engineers they are already talking about the financials or the money making parts. I think what we maybe lacking are developer engineers, not developer enterprenuers. Thats the big difference and and probably explains why any areas of developing large scale systems is lacking.
Me thots.
Rgds. :-)
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Frankline Chitwa < frank.chitwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Aki, neither closed nor open source is the problem.the only thing that can kill real developers is software patents. Otherwise as long as there is compilers and script machines, people will always code, whether open or closed source. Accusing one side of this balance simply doesnt cut it with opinions aki. Give us facts.
on the other hand. How low can you go in search of recognition? If using cms equals a lame developer, instead of just developing a cms, Why not start off by developing the programming language, then the cms. Oh wait, develop the an OS first then develop the language then the cms on top? Better yet, why not start with the hardware then dev the OS then language then the cms? I mean that would surely be hardcore!!
i hope i have made my point which is, it all depends on what you want to achieve and the scarce resources available to you. Dont expect seasoned devs to develop a cms when the populace has not exhausted the current available capability.
a personal cms may show you are hardcore, or it may show that you simply cannot integrate other peoples better developed free tools in your work, i.e you are a lame developer. Because all developers use other developers' work
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@Martin The view you have provided is true but abstract or general. Its just like saying an OS is an OS, a program is a program .......true but there are subtypes/subcategories. Website is the general term...not a web app, that refers to *A collection of HTML and subordinate documents on the World Wide Web that are typically accessible from the same URL* But has more recently come to be accepted as a WEBSITE that doesn't accomplish anything other than displaying information. A WEB APP on the other hand is *An* *application** that is accessed via a web browser over a network such as the Internet or an intranet **designed to help the user to perform a singular or multiple related specific tasks* e.g. Instant Messaging, word processing, playng GAMES, Managing Accounts and Inventory.... just like a desktop app would. * * * *
O.k James, thanks for the clarification. Arguing the point any further would not make it any clearer than you have put it. At the end of the day, even Facebook's, Yahoo's or Google's site just distribute hypertext documents formatted in different ways, depending on a request (search queries, usernames and passwords). That was my main point of contention. Websites can come out of Web apps i.e there is no urgent need to differentiate the two. I hope you see the point of a C.M.S being a Web app used to build dynamic Websites. For all we know Facebook, could be a Website based on a custom C.M.S / framework :D F.Y.I: Flickr is built on a nice PHP framework called Flamework .....
Let me throw my 0.02 Shillings in, a CMS basically extracts information from a db and presents it an application will get info from a db, perform logic on it and present it Dennis the Geek, And the anonymous shall inherit the world
There is a difference between CMS and Framework
Yes there is a whole world of difference between C.M.Ss and Frameworks, sorry for the use of "C.M.S / Framework" in the statement. I was just denoting that you were at liberty to pick whichever you like. On 1/18/11, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
There is a difference between CMS and Framework
FAntastic article dennis On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
The 3 types of developers you will find in Africa <http://thiswas.codedinafrica.org/2011/01/01/the-3-types-of-developers-you-will-find-africa/>
http://thiswas.codedinafrica.org/2011/01/01/the-3-types-of-developers-you-wi...
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