Regarding Code. Why use *JS *over *ASP *and why use *PHP *over either? Code syntax's are quite similar and their operation is running in on the same as well. All the differences now amount to the server types. unless i'm seeing something different. * W.* -- get to know more about me. *http://about.me/rahiminkara * this list is being *watched.*
@W JS has small footprint, lighter and has several frameworks that work with virtually any programming language. PHP is server side and JS is client side so you can use PHP over ASP or vice versa, but then again; PHP loads and runs faster as it runs on its own memory. PHP is open source and you can code it using free stuff. PHP can run in multiple platforms(windows, unix and linux) and can connect to(Mysql, PostgreSQL...) while ASP runs on windows only and MS-SQL server. But it all depends on which you are comfortable with. -- Many Thanks. Regards, Clement Ongera.
After almost a decade in the industry I can tell you this with every confidence. It is extremely irrelevant what you use. You can even use assembly and C if you want to build a web application. It boils down to 1. What you know 2. What you're willing to learn 3. What you're willing to put up with 4. The infrastructure available You can find mediocre sites using the latest and shiniest technologies and brilliantly crafted code running on old timers. Having said that I would not personally use ASP myself for current development. Not only is it not being improved any more, its successor ASP.NET is an improvement in many ways. I must also correct our friend Clement who has made several sweeping inaccurate statements On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Clement Ongera <cnongera@gmail.com> wrote:
@W JS has small footprint, lighter and has several frameworks that work with virtually any programming language. PHP is server side and JS is client side so you can use PHP over ASP or vice versa, but then again;
*Not true. There is server side javascript (NodeJS). You can also drive ASP usng Javascript or Perl instead of VBScript *
PHP loads and runs faster as it runs on its own memory.
*Extremely debatable. And what do you mean by "its own memory"*
PHP is open source and you can code it using free stuff.
*You can code ANYTHING using free stuff - Vi, Emacs, Notepad, Notepad++ etc *
PHP can run in multiple platforms(windows, unix and linux) and can connect to(Mysql, PostgreSQL...) while ASP runs on windows only and MS-SQL server.
*Not true. Not only are there Apache modules, there are also cross compilers that can execute ASP as PHP (like Wasabi). It is also not true that ASP can only connect to SQL server. You can connect to any ODBC / OLEDB compatible data source using ASP, which is pretty much all of them *
But it all depends on which you are comfortable with.
-- Many Thanks.
Regards, Clement Ongera.
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So what you're all saying is.. it really doesn't matter what language. What does matter is proficiency? * W.* On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
After almost a decade in the industry I can tell you this with every confidence.
It is extremely irrelevant what you use. You can even use assembly and C if you want to build a web application.
It boils down to
1. What you know 2. What you're willing to learn 3. What you're willing to put up with 4. The infrastructure available
You can find mediocre sites using the latest and shiniest technologies and brilliantly crafted code running on old timers.
Having said that I would not personally use ASP myself for current development. Not only is it not being improved any more, its successor ASP.NET is an improvement in many ways.
I must also correct our friend Clement who has made several sweeping inaccurate statements
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Clement Ongera <cnongera@gmail.com>wrote:
@W JS has small footprint, lighter and has several frameworks that work with virtually any programming language. PHP is server side and JS is client side so you can use PHP over ASP or vice versa, but then again;
*Not true. There is server side javascript (NodeJS). You can also drive ASP usng Javascript or Perl instead of VBScript *
PHP loads and runs faster as it runs on its own memory.
*Extremely debatable. And what do you mean by "its own memory"*
PHP is open source and you can code it using free stuff.
*You can code ANYTHING using free stuff - Vi, Emacs, Notepad, Notepad++ etc *
PHP can run in multiple platforms(windows, unix and linux) and can connect to(Mysql, PostgreSQL...) while ASP runs on windows only and MS-SQL server.
*Not true. Not only are there Apache modules, there are also cross compilers that can execute ASP as PHP (like Wasabi). It is also not true that ASP can only connect to SQL server. You can connect to any ODBC / OLEDB compatible data source using ASP, which is pretty much all of them *
But it all depends on which you are comfortable with.
-- Many Thanks.
Regards, Clement Ongera.
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The choice of language DOES indeed MATTER. [ http://www.paulgraham.com/icad.html ]
I'm telling you what has worked worked for me for 10+ years in this industry. In the larger scheme of things - the language is a small factor in your success. Its what you can do with it that counts. On Sunday, October 16, 2011, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
So what you're all saying is.. it really doesn't matter what language.
What does matter is proficiency?
W.
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
After almost a decade in the industry I can tell you this with every
confidence.
It is extremely irrelevant what you use. You can even use assembly and C if you want to build a web application. It boils down to
What you know What you're willing to learn What you're willing to put up with The infrastructure available
You can find mediocre sites using the latest and shiniest technologies and brilliantly crafted code running on old timers. Having said that I would not personally use ASP myself for current development. Not only is it not being improved any more, its successor ASP.NET is an improvement in many ways. I must also correct our friend Clement who has made several sweeping inaccurate statements
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Clement Ongera <cnongera@gmail.com> wrote:
@W JS has small footprint, lighter and has several frameworks that work
with virtually any programming language.
PHP is server side and JS is client side so you can use PHP over ASP or vice versa, but then again;
Not true. There is server side javascript (NodeJS). You can also drive ASP usng Javascript or Perl instead of VBScript
PHP loads and runs faster as it runs on its own memory.
Extremely debatable. And what do you mean by "its own memory"
PHP is open source and you can code it using free stuff.
You can code ANYTHING using free stuff - Vi, Emacs, Notepad, Notepad++ etc
PHP can run in multiple platforms(windows, unix and linux) and can
connect to(Mysql, PostgreSQL...) while ASP runs on windows only and MS-SQL server.
Not true. Not only are there Apache modules, there are also cross compilers that can execute ASP as PHP (like Wasabi). It is also not true that ASP can only connect to SQL server. You can connect to any ODBC / OLEDB compatible data source using ASP, which is pretty much all of them
But it all depends on which you are comfortable with.
-- Many Thanks.
Regards, Clement Ongera.
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I concur with @Rad. Unless you are working on highly specialized applications, then the skill of the programmer will have more weight than the language being used. On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm telling you what has worked worked for me for 10+ years in this industry. In the larger scheme of things - the language is a small factor in your success. Its what you can do with it that counts.
On Sunday, October 16, 2011, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
So what you're all saying is.. it really doesn't matter what language.
What does matter is proficiency?
W.
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
After almost a decade in the industry I can tell you this with every
confidence.
It is extremely irrelevant what you use. You can even use assembly and C if you want to build a web application. It boils down to
What you know What you're willing to learn What you're willing to put up with The infrastructure available
You can find mediocre sites using the latest and shiniest technologies and brilliantly crafted code running on old timers. Having said that I would not personally use ASP myself for current development. Not only is it not being improved any more, its successor ASP.NET is an improvement in many ways. I must also correct our friend Clement who has made several sweeping inaccurate statements
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Clement Ongera <cnongera@gmail.com> wrote:
@W JS has small footprint, lighter and has several frameworks that work
with virtually any programming language.
PHP is server side and JS is client side so you can use PHP over ASP or vice versa, but then again;
Not true. There is server side javascript (NodeJS). You can also drive ASP usng Javascript or Perl instead of VBScript
PHP loads and runs faster as it runs on its own memory.
Extremely debatable. And what do you mean by "its own memory"
PHP is open source and you can code it using free stuff.
You can code ANYTHING using free stuff - Vi, Emacs, Notepad, Notepad++ etc
PHP can run in multiple platforms(windows, unix and linux) and can
connect to(Mysql, PostgreSQL...) while ASP runs on windows only and MS-SQL server.
Not true. Not only are there Apache modules, there are also cross compilers that can execute ASP as PHP (like Wasabi). It is also not true that ASP can only connect to SQL server. You can connect to any ODBC / OLEDB compatible data source using ASP, which is pretty much all of them
But it all depends on which you are comfortable with.
-- Many Thanks.
Regards, Clement Ongera.
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Let's put it this way - Classic ASP in the hands of a skilled person can achieve much more than Java in the hands of a wannabe. On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
I concur with @Rad. Unless you are working on highly specialized applications, then the skill of the programmer will have more weight than the language being used.
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm telling you what has worked worked for me for 10+ years in this industry. In the larger scheme of things - the language is a small factor in your success. Its what you can do with it that counts.
On Sunday, October 16, 2011, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
So what you're all saying is.. it really doesn't matter what language.
What does matter is proficiency?
W.
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
After almost a decade in the industry I can tell you this with every
confidence.
It is extremely irrelevant what you use. You can even use assembly and C if you want to build a web application. It boils down to
What you know What you're willing to learn What you're willing to put up with The infrastructure available
You can find mediocre sites using the latest and shiniest technologies and brilliantly crafted code running on old timers. Having said that I would not personally use ASP myself for current development. Not only is it not being improved any more, its successor ASP.NET is an improvement in many ways. I must also correct our friend Clement who has made several sweeping inaccurate statements
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Clement Ongera <cnongera@gmail.com> wrote:
@W JS has small footprint, lighter and has several frameworks that work
with virtually any programming language.
PHP is server side and JS is client side so you can use PHP over ASP or vice versa, but then again;
Not true. There is server side javascript (NodeJS). You can also drive ASP usng Javascript or Perl instead of VBScript
PHP loads and runs faster as it runs on its own memory.
Extremely debatable. And what do you mean by "its own memory"
PHP is open source and you can code it using free stuff.
You can code ANYTHING using free stuff - Vi, Emacs, Notepad, Notepad++ etc
PHP can run in multiple platforms(windows, unix and linux) and can
connect to(Mysql, PostgreSQL...) while ASP runs on windows only and MS-SQL server.
Not true. Not only are there Apache modules, there are also cross compilers that can execute ASP as PHP (like Wasabi). It is also not true that ASP can only connect to SQL server. You can connect to any ODBC / OLEDB compatible data source using ASP, which is pretty much all of them
But it all depends on which you are comfortable with.
-- Many Thanks.
Regards, Clement Ongera.
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Let's put it this way - Classic ASP in the hands of a skilled person can achieve much more than Java in the hands of a wannabe.
In general, the more skilled you are, the more likely you are to care about the quality of the tools you're using. Skilled developers are less likely to choose ASP in the first place over the much, much better alternatives currently out there. Even ASP.NET is pretty clearly a vast improvement over ASP (though I personally wouldn't be caught dead using that either).
On 10/17/11 12:16 PM, Bob Aman wrote:
In general, the more skilled you are, the more likely you are to care about the quality of the tools you're using.
The flip side to this is when "highly skilled" developers insist that they only want to work with highend tools/systems, considering anything but the "best" as inferior and not worth their time. Usually resulting in projects incurring crazy license and operating costs... .. Mike
In general, the more skilled you are, the more likely you are to care about the quality of the tools you're using.
The flip side to this is when "highly skilled" developers insist that they only want to work with highend tools/systems, considering anything but the "best" as inferior and not worth their time. Usually resulting in projects incurring crazy license and operating costs...
Or just as likely, they ask to use a ~$50 USD license to TextMate or SublimeText and use entirely free and open source tools for everything else.
On 10/17/11 1:01 PM, Bob Aman wrote:
Usually resulting in projects incurring crazy license and operating costs... Or just as likely, they ask to use a ~$50 USD license to TextMate or SublimeText and use entirely free and open source tools for everything else.
Yes ideally that would be the case - just saying I have seen more than a few cases of the scenario I described. .. Mike
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