Hi Guys, I got someone looking for an instructor to teach introduction to programming using pascal on part time. If you are interested, please inbox your CV/details. Moses.
CV Details for structured PASCAL? Someone need update his CV again right after eliminating it as an old language History repeats itself. On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Moses <mosenetk@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Guys,
I got someone looking for an instructor to teach introduction to programming using pascal on part time. If you are interested, please inbox your CV/details.
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@mickey for those whose it was the first language, and the language you did project with..... it is not history... On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Mickey Mickey <michaelakunga@gmail.com>wrote:
CV Details for structured PASCAL? Someone need update his CV again right after eliminating it as an old language History repeats itself.
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Moses <mosenetk@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Guys,
I got someone looking for an instructor to teach introduction to programming using pascal on part time. If you are interested, please inbox your CV/details.
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Pascal was invented as a language to teach students structured programming languages. A popular dialect, turbo pascal was part developed by anders Hejlsberg who went on to design delphi and .net After coding on delphi for close to 10 years,its a language I would recommend to anyone who wants to develop a career as a Kenyan software developer. On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Joseph Maina <mainasoft00@gmail.com> wrote:
@mickey
for those whose it was the first language, and the language you did project with..... it is not history...
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Mickey Mickey <michaelakunga@gmail.com>wrote:
CV Details for structured PASCAL? Someone need update his CV again right after eliminating it as an old language History repeats itself.
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Moses <mosenetk@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Guys,
I got someone looking for an instructor to teach introduction to programming using pascal on part time. If you are interested, please inbox your CV/details.
Moses.
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As much as passion stands pascal stands with structured programming if that is where the walls end! On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Peter Muchemi <pmuchemi@gmail.com> wrote:
Pascal was invented as a language to teach students structured programming languages. A popular dialect, turbo pascal was part developed by anders Hejlsberg who went on to design delphi and .net
After coding on delphi for close to 10 years,its a language I would recommend to anyone who wants to develop a career as a Kenyan software developer.
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Joseph Maina <mainasoft00@gmail.com>wrote:
@mickey
for those whose it was the first language, and the language you did project with..... it is not history...
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Mickey Mickey <michaelakunga@gmail.com>wrote:
CV Details for structured PASCAL? Someone need update his CV again right after eliminating it as an old language History repeats itself.
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Moses <mosenetk@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Guys,
I got someone looking for an instructor to teach introduction to programming using pascal on part time. If you are interested, please inbox your CV/details.
Moses.
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History or no History, How much per hour are we talking about? On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Mickey Mickey <michaelakunga@gmail.com>wrote:
As much as passion stands pascal stands with structured programming if that is where the walls end!
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Peter Muchemi <pmuchemi@gmail.com> wrote:
Pascal was invented as a language to teach students structured programming languages. A popular dialect, turbo pascal was part developed by anders Hejlsberg who went on to design delphi and .net
After coding on delphi for close to 10 years,its a language I would recommend to anyone who wants to develop a career as a Kenyan software developer.
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Joseph Maina <mainasoft00@gmail.com>wrote:
@mickey
for those whose it was the first language, and the language you did project with..... it is not history...
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Mickey Mickey <michaelakunga@gmail.com>wrote:
CV Details for structured PASCAL? Someone need update his CV again right after eliminating it as an old language History repeats itself.
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Moses <mosenetk@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Guys,
I got someone looking for an instructor to teach introduction to programming using pascal on part time. If you are interested, please inbox your CV/details.
Moses.
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they say every man has a price ... but not every man gets it... On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Raymond Rono <raymond.rono@gmail.com>wrote:
History or no History, How much per hour are we talking about?
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Mickey Mickey <michaelakunga@gmail.com>wrote:
As much as passion stands pascal stands with structured programming if that is where the walls end!
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Peter Muchemi <pmuchemi@gmail.com>wrote:
Pascal was invented as a language to teach students structured programming languages. A popular dialect, turbo pascal was part developed by anders Hejlsberg who went on to design delphi and .net
After coding on delphi for close to 10 years,its a language I would recommend to anyone who wants to develop a career as a Kenyan software developer.
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Joseph Maina <mainasoft00@gmail.com>wrote:
@mickey
for those whose it was the first language, and the language you did project with..... it is not history...
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Mickey Mickey <michaelakunga@gmail.com
wrote:
CV Details for structured PASCAL? Someone need update his CV again right after eliminating it as an old language History repeats itself.
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Moses <mosenetk@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Guys,
I got someone looking for an instructor to teach introduction to programming using pascal on part time. If you are interested, please inbox your CV/details.
Moses.
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I too highly recommend pascal as a language for teaching programming concepts, particularly data structures and algorithms On Wednesday, May 30, 2012, Joseph Maina wrote:
they say every man has a price ... but not every man gets it...
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Raymond Rono <raymond.rono@gmail.com>wrote:
History or no History, How much per hour are we talking about?
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Mickey Mickey <michaelakunga@gmail.com>wrote:
As much as passion stands pascal stands with structured programming if that is where the walls end!
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Peter Muchemi <pmuchemi@gmail.com> wrote:
Pascal was invented as a language to teach students structured programming languages. A popular dialect, turbo pascal was part developed by anders Hejlsberg who went on to design delphi and .net
After coding on delphi for close to 10 years,its a language I would recommend to anyone who wants to develop a career as a Kenyan software developer.
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Joseph Maina <mainasoft00@gmail.com>wrote:
@mickey
for those whose it was the first language, and the language you did project with..... it is not history...
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Mickey Mickey <michaelakunga@gmail.com>wrote:
CV Details for structured PASCAL? Someone need update his CV again right after eliminating it as an old language History repeats itself.
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Moses <mosenetk@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Guys,
I got someone looking for an instructor to teach introduction to programming using pascal on part time. If you are interested, please inbox your CV/details.
Moses.
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I think Python is better suited to beginners for all practical purposes. It is simple and you can almost immediately start using it to learn programming concepts with a basic interpreter. My main worry with Pascal is that you may never take it outside the classroom. Martin. -- DISCLAIMER: I have never used Pascal or any of its close relatives. I hold nothing against it. On 5/30/12, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I too highly recommend pascal as a language for teaching programming concepts, particularly data structures and algorithms
On Wednesday, May 30, 2012, Joseph Maina wrote:
they say every man has a price ... but not every man gets it...
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Raymond Rono <raymond.rono@gmail.com>wrote:
History or no History, How much per hour are we talking about?
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Mickey Mickey <michaelakunga@gmail.com>wrote:
As much as passion stands pascal stands with structured programming if that is where the walls end!
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Peter Muchemi <pmuchemi@gmail.com> wrote:
Pascal was invented as a language to teach students structured programming languages. A popular dialect, turbo pascal was part developed by anders Hejlsberg who went on to design delphi and .net
After coding on delphi for close to 10 years,its a language I would recommend to anyone who wants to develop a career as a Kenyan software developer.
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Joseph Maina <mainasoft00@gmail.com>wrote:
@mickey
for those whose it was the first language, and the language you did project with..... it is not history...
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Mickey Mickey <michaelakunga@gmail.com>wrote:
CV Details for structured PASCAL? Someone need update his CV again right after eliminating it as an old language History repeats itself.
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Moses <mosenetk@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Guys,
I got someone looking for an instructor to teach introduction to programming using pascal on part time. If you are interested, please inbox your CV/details.
Moses.
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I think Python is better suited to beginners for all practical purposes. It is simple and you can almost immediately start using it to learn programming concepts with a basic interpreter. My main worry with Pascal is that you may never take it outside the classroom. Martin.
I Agree with Martin 100% Go with Python. Kelvin www.likechapaa.com <http://www.dukapress.com>www.dukapress.org On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
I think Python is better suited to beginners for all practical purposes. It is simple and you can almost immediately start using it to learn programming concepts with a basic interpreter. My main worry with Pascal is that you may never take it outside the classroom.
Martin.
-- DISCLAIMER: I have never used Pascal or any of its close relatives. I hold nothing against it.
On 5/30/12, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I too highly recommend pascal as a language for teaching programming concepts, particularly data structures and algorithms
On Wednesday, May 30, 2012, Joseph Maina wrote:
they say every man has a price ... but not every man gets it...
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Raymond Rono <raymond.rono@gmail.com>wrote:
History or no History, How much per hour are we talking about?
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Mickey Mickey <michaelakunga@gmail.com>wrote:
As much as passion stands pascal stands with structured programming if that is where the walls end!
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Peter Muchemi <pmuchemi@gmail.com> wrote:
Pascal was invented as a language to teach students structured programming languages. A popular dialect, turbo pascal was part developed by anders Hejlsberg who went on to design delphi and .net
After coding on delphi for close to 10 years,its a language I would recommend to anyone who wants to develop a career as a Kenyan software developer.
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Joseph Maina <mainasoft00@gmail.com>wrote:
@mickey
for those whose it was the first language, and the language you did project with..... it is not history...
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Mickey Mickey <michaelakunga@gmail.com>wrote:
CV Details for structured PASCAL? Someone need update his CV again right after eliminating it as an old language History repeats itself.
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Moses <mosenetk@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Guys,
I got someone looking for an instructor to teach introduction to programming using pascal on part time. If you are interested, please inbox your CV/details.
Moses.
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Guys. I have no problem with python as a language. It is brilliant. I use it myself. However it shields you from many things like pointers. And memory access. Or how to implement a list. Or a doubly linked list. Or a tree. From first principles. Without using built own types. These are things good programmers need to understand well before using higher level languages. There are two issues here. Teaching programming CONCEPTS and teaching programming are different things. On Wednesday, May 30, 2012, Kelvin wrote:
I think Python is better suited to beginners for all practical
purposes. It is simple and you can almost immediately start using it to learn programming concepts with a basic interpreter. My main worry with Pascal is that you may never take it outside the classroom. Martin.
I Agree with Martin 100%
Go with Python.
Kelvin www.likechapaa.com <http://www.dukapress.com>www.dukapress.org
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com
wrote:
I think Python is better suited to beginners for all practical purposes. It is simple and you can almost immediately start using it to learn programming concepts with a basic interpreter. My main worry with Pascal is that you may never take it outside the classroom.
Martin.
-- DISCLAIMER: I have never used Pascal or any of its close relatives. I hold nothing against it.
On 5/30/12, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I too highly recommend pascal as a language for teaching programming concepts, particularly data structures and algorithms
On Wednesday, May 30, 2012, Joseph Maina wrote:
they say every man has a price ... but not every man gets it...
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Raymond Rono <raymond.rono@gmail.com>wrote:
History or no History, How much per hour are we talking about?
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Mickey Mickey <michaelakunga@gmail.com>wrote:
As much as passion stands pascal stands with structured programming if that is where the walls end!
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Peter Muchemi <pmuchemi@gmail.com> wrote:
Pascal was invented as a language to teach students structured programming languages. A popular dialect, turbo pascal was part developed by anders Hejlsberg who went on to design delphi and .net
After coding on delphi for close to 10 years,its a language I would recommend to anyone who wants to develop a career as a Kenyan software developer.
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Joseph Maina <mainasoft00@gmail.com>wrote:
@mickey
for those whose it was the first language, and the language you did project with..... it is not history...
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Mickey Mickey <michaelakunga@gmail.com>wrote:
CV Details for structured PASCAL? Someone need update his CV again right after eliminating it as an old language History repeats itself.
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Moses <mosenetk@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Guys,
I got someone looking for an instructor to teach introduction to programming using pascal on part time. If you are interested, please inbox your CV/details.
Moses.
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Hi @Rad, On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Guys. I have no problem with python as a language. It is brilliant. I use it myself.
However it shields you from many things like pointers. And memory access. Or how to implement a list. Or a doubly linked list. Or a tree. From first principles. Without using built own types. These are things good programmers need to understand well before using higher level languages.
It is true that as a Computer programmer you may have to really go low and talk to the "bare metal machine". In practice, this is rarely done if you ask me. At times I usually have to maintain code written in C / C++. The surprise is, the fixes don't involve pointers AT ALL, or lists and graphs + trees / heaps, maps, etc. Neither do they deal with stepping into assembly level instructions.
There are two issues here. Teaching programming CONCEPTS and teaching programming are different things.
My point is, concepts such as pointer arithmetic, data structures and algorithms O/O, etc are better appreciated by people who have a fairly good understanding of the basics of Programming (string, functions, looping constructs, classes, libraries). My other problem is that the "low-level" stuff is what actually makes beginners develop the mentality that programming is tough and look for alternative professions. My approach would be to start-off with the really simple and interesting before taking it a step lower for the really motivated learners. Martin.
On Wednesday, May 30, 2012, Kelvin wrote:
I think Python is better suited to beginners for all practical
purposes. It is simple and you can almost immediately start using it to learn programming concepts with a basic interpreter. My main worry with Pascal is that you may never take it outside the classroom. Martin.
I Agree with Martin 100%
Go with Python.
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On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Martin Chiteri < martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
I think Python is better suited to beginners for all practical purposes. It is simple and you can almost immediately start using it to learn programming concepts with a basic interpreter. My main worry with Pascal is that you may never take it outside the classroom.
Martin.
-- DISCLAIMER: I have never used Pascal or any of its close relatives. I hold nothing against it.
On 5/30/12, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I too highly recommend pascal as a language for teaching programming concepts, particularly data structures and algorithms
On Wednesday, May 30, 2012, Joseph Maina wrote:
they say every man has a price ... but not every man gets it...
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Raymond Rono <raymond.rono@gmail.com>wrote:
History or no History, How much per hour are we talking about?
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Mickey Mickey <michaelakunga@gmail.com>wrote:
As much as passion stands pascal stands with structured programming if that is where the walls end!
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Peter Muchemi <pmuchemi@gmail.com> wrote:
Pascal was invented as a language to teach students structured programming languages. A popular dialect, turbo pascal was part developed by anders Hejlsberg who went on to design delphi and .net
After coding on delphi for close to 10 years,its a language I would recommend to anyone who wants to develop a career as a Kenyan software developer.
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Joseph Maina <mainasoft00@gmail.com>wrote:
@mickey
for those whose it was the first language, and the language you did project with..... it is not history...
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Mickey Mickey <michaelakunga@gmail.com>wrote:
CV Details for structured PASCAL? Someone need update his CV again right after eliminating it as an old language History repeats itself.
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Moses <mosenetk@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Guys,
I got someone looking for an instructor to teach introduction to programming using pascal on part time. If you are interested, please inbox your CV/details.
Moses.
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You misunderstand me. I'm not saying you do low level or assembly work. I'm saying to be a good developer you need to know the fundamentals of how lists, tuples, dictionaries, trees etc work so that when you are using your python or java or C# you know where best to use which structures. Look at it this way. Nowadays you can diagose many cars for problems by hooking them up to diagnostic computers. However a mechanic who uses diagnistic computers AND knows how to diagnose issues using his ears, eyes and training I would say is a better mechanic. On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi @Rad,
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Guys. I have no problem with python as a language. It is brilliant. I use it myself.
However it shields you from many things like pointers. And memory access. Or how to implement a list. Or a doubly linked list. Or a tree. From first principles. Without using built own types. These are things good programmers need to understand well before using higher level languages.
It is true that as a Computer programmer you may have to really go low and talk to the "bare metal machine". In practice, this is rarely done if you ask me. At times I usually have to maintain code written in C / C++. The surprise is, the fixes don't involve pointers AT ALL, or lists and graphs + trees / heaps, maps, etc. Neither do they deal with stepping into assembly level instructions.
There are two issues here. Teaching programming CONCEPTS and teaching programming are different things.
My point is, concepts such as pointer arithmetic, data structures and algorithms O/O, etc are better appreciated by people who have a fairly good understanding of the basics of Programming (string, functions, looping constructs, classes, libraries). My other problem is that the "low-level" stuff is what actually makes beginners develop the mentality that programming is tough and look for alternative professions.
My approach would be to start-off with the really simple and interesting before taking it a step lower for the really motivated learners.
Martin.
On Wednesday, May 30, 2012, Kelvin wrote:
I think Python is better suited to beginners for all practical
purposes. It is simple and you can almost immediately start using it to learn programming concepts with a basic interpreter. My main worry with Pascal is that you may never take it outside the classroom. Martin.
I Agree with Martin 100%
Go with Python.
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On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Martin Chiteri < martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
I think Python is better suited to beginners for all practical purposes. It is simple and you can almost immediately start using it to learn programming concepts with a basic interpreter. My main worry with Pascal is that you may never take it outside the classroom.
Martin.
-- DISCLAIMER: I have never used Pascal or any of its close relatives. I hold nothing against it.
On 5/30/12, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I too highly recommend pascal as a language for teaching programming concepts, particularly data structures and algorithms
On Wednesday, May 30, 2012, Joseph Maina wrote:
they say every man has a price ... but not every man gets it...
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Raymond Rono <raymond.rono@gmail.com>wrote:
History or no History, How much per hour are we talking about?
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Mickey Mickey <michaelakunga@gmail.com>wrote:
As much as passion stands pascal stands with structured programming if that is where the walls end!
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Peter Muchemi <pmuchemi@gmail.com> wrote:
Pascal was invented as a language to teach students structured programming languages. A popular dialect, turbo pascal was part developed by anders Hejlsberg who went on to design delphi and .net
After coding on delphi for close to 10 years,its a language I would recommend to anyone who wants to develop a career as a Kenyan software developer.
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Joseph Maina <mainasoft00@gmail.com>wrote:
@mickey
for those whose it was the first language, and the language you did project with..... it is not history...
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Mickey Mickey <michaelakunga@gmail.com>wrote:
CV Details for structured PASCAL? Someone need update his CV again right after eliminating it as an old language History repeats itself.
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Moses <mosenetk@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Guys,
I got someone looking for an instructor to teach introduction to programming using pascal on part time. If you are interested, please inbox your CV/details.
Moses.
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@Joseph, Am not aware of current systems in production that are written in Pascal. If there are they must be few. I also doubt if there are new and "serious" projects in plan to be written in Pascal. Martin. On 5/30/12, Joseph Wayodi <jwayodi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
... My main worry with Pascal is that you may never take it outside the classroom.
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On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
@Joseph,
Am not aware of current systems in production that are written in Pascal. If there are they must be few. I also doubt if there are new and "serious" projects in plan to be written in Pascal.
Check out Free Pascal [1], and Lazarus [2]. Here is a list of projects using Lazarus: <http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Projects_using_Lazarus>, and some screenshots: <http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Lazarus_Application_Gallery>. [1] <http://freepascal.org/> [2] <http://lazarus.freepascal.org/> Joseph.
Hi Joseph, On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Joseph Wayodi <jwayodi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
@Joseph,
Am not aware of current systems in production that are written in Pascal. If there are they must be few. I also doubt if there are new and "serious" projects in plan to be written in Pascal.
Check out Free Pascal [1], and Lazarus [2].
Check out Python here [ http://www.python.org/ ]
Here is a list of projects using Lazarus: <http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Projects_using_Lazarus>, and some
Some nice stories about the language and its virtual machine [ http://www.python.org/about/success/ ]
screenshots: < http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Lazarus_Application_Gallery>.
Unfortunately the screen-shots are too many to capture. :)
[1] <http://freepascal.org/> [2] <http://lazarus.freepascal.org/>
I also hope that you do some of your projects in Free Pascal and / or
Lazarus to earn a living or for your hobby projects? If so, please write me a Website using the above named tools. Host it on a cheap service if you are lucky to find one ;-) Seriously, I hope you do realize we can do this for the rest of the evening without adding any value to the clueless beginner and the original poster. Martin.
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On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Joseph,
Check out Python here [ http://www.python.org/ ]
...
I also hope that you do some of your projects in Free Pascal and / or Lazarus to earn a living or for your hobby projects? If so, please write me a Website using the above named tools. Host it on a cheap service if you are lucky to find one ;-)
Seriously, I hope you do realize we can do this for the rest of the evening without adding any value to the clueless beginner and the original poster.
Martin.
I wasn't comparing Pascal to Python, or anything else. I was merely pointing out that Pascal can be "taken outside the classroom". Joseph.
@Martin substantiate you argument honestly Pascal only exists as Delphi in the modern programming as much I am legend to it Broda, the last time I did it it was in class and that was it. try and list a Pascal software currently in use and you will realize almost null but not to forget that this language is like Emperor Caesar. On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Joseph Wayodi <jwayodi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Joseph,
Check out Python here [ http://www.python.org/ ]
...
I also hope that you do some of your projects in Free Pascal and / or Lazarus to earn a living or for your hobby projects? If so, please write me a Website using the above named tools. Host it on a cheap service if you are lucky to find one ;-)
Seriously, I hope you do realize we can do this for the rest of the evening without adding any value to the clueless beginner and the original poster.
Martin.
I wasn't comparing Pascal to Python, or anything else. I was merely pointing out that Pascal can be "taken outside the classroom".
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Taking it outside the classroom to me means its practical application. That was my entire point. My idea is that you will give more value to a beginning programmer by teaching them a language that is used more "outside". Martin. On 5/30/12, Joseph Wayodi <jwayodi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Joseph,
Check out Python here [ http://www.python.org/ ]
...
I also hope that you do some of your projects in Free Pascal and / or Lazarus to earn a living or for your hobby projects? If so, please write me a Website using the above named tools. Host it on a cheap service if you are lucky to find one ;-)
Seriously, I hope you do realize we can do this for the rest of the evening without adding any value to the clueless beginner and the original poster.
Martin.
I wasn't comparing Pascal to Python, or anything else. I was merely pointing out that Pascal can be "taken outside the classroom".
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Someone did say something that I is VERY IMPORTANT that current lanuages will not teach about pointers, Unions, structures and the rest through we all know that current compilers are trying to hide tough job like this but before they do, you should know and to know such language is useful. martin i copy you idea Brother. On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
Taking it outside the classroom to me means its practical application. That was my entire point. My idea is that you will give more value to a beginning programmer by teaching them a language that is used more "outside".
Martin.
On 5/30/12, Joseph Wayodi <jwayodi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Joseph,
Check out Python here [ http://www.python.org/ ]
...
I also hope that you do some of your projects in Free Pascal and / or Lazarus to earn a living or for your hobby projects? If so, please write me a Website using the above named tools. Host it on a cheap service if you are lucky to find one ;-)
Seriously, I hope you do realize we can do this for the rest of the evening without adding any value to the clueless beginner and the original poster.
Martin.
I wasn't comparing Pascal to Python, or anything else. I was merely pointing out that Pascal can be "taken outside the classroom".
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Hello @Mickey, On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Mickey Mickey <michaelakunga@gmail.com>wrote:
Someone did say something that I is VERY IMPORTANT that current lanuages will not teach about pointers, Unions, structures and the rest through we all know that current compilers are trying to hide tough job like this but before they do, you should know and to know such language is useful. martin i copy you
If you read well into what am saying, I have not opposed the idea of teaching deeper topics to *good* programmers. *It is important to learn such concepts*. What am kinda' opposed to is the issue of teaching it to absolute beginners. If you looked keenly I did not respond to @Rad's argument for the same reason. I still believe that it is not a must to learn them before touching high-level languages. My main reason is that: 1) They might appear to be too complex for the novice and discourage some of them from continuing with coding. Most of the data structuring / memory management tasks are abstracted by your compilers so it makes them easy to use. 2) The other reason might be that they are already optimised for you + computers are fast with a lot of memory you cannot really achieve significant levels of efficiency by doing some of these things by hand, 3) Most applications in the real world done by a majority of programmers actually use very simple data structures and algorithms. Consider most web apps whose work is mainly to expose the contents of a relational database. Conclusion: Productivity for a programmer is more important in the modern day, this is what should be focused on when teaching IMHO. Martin.
idea Brother.
Martin.
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
Taking it outside the classroom to me means its practical application. That was my entire point. My idea is that you will give more value to a beginning programmer by teaching them a language that is used more "outside".
Martin.
On 5/30/12, Joseph Wayodi <jwayodi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Joseph,
Check out Python here [ http://www.python.org/ ]
...
I also hope that you do some of your projects in Free Pascal and / or Lazarus to earn a living or for your hobby projects? If so, please write me a Website using the above named tools. Host it on a cheap service if you are lucky to find one ;-)
Seriously, I hope you do realize we can do this for the rest of the evening without adding any value to the clueless beginner and the original poster.
Martin.
I wasn't comparing Pascal to Python, or anything else. I was merely pointing out that Pascal can be "taken outside the classroom".
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*Skype for windows Toad for Oracle* On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
@Joseph,
Am not aware of current systems in production that are written in Pascal. If there are they must be few. I also doubt if there are new and "serious" projects in plan to be written in Pascal.
Martin.
On 5/30/12, Joseph Wayodi <jwayodi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
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Hi Skunks, We are organising for a training for Microsoft Dynamics Nav 2009 Developers. The training will take 15 days and is scheduled to start on 11/06/2012 and will cover:- - Introduction to Microsoft Dynamics Nav 2009 - Introduction to C/SIDE programming - C/SIDE Solution development - Latest Development and way forward on Microsoft Dynamics Nav 2009 After the training, the trainees who opt to get certified as MCP, Ms dynamics Nav 2009 developer will be placed on a programme to get the certification by December 2012. Inbox me if interested for cost details. This is an opportunity you cannot afford to miss Kind Regards Shadrack Mwaniki MCP (MS dynamics Nav 2009 Installation & Configuration, Developer & Financials) MCT (MS dynamics Nav 2009)
Hi shadrack, Can you inbox me the cost details? Regards.
Hi, Noble, please share the cost details rgds *_______________________________________________________________ We must Keep on, * On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Nicholas Odanga <niodanga@gmail.com> wrote:
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Hi Skunks, We are organising for a training for Microsoft Dynamics Nav 2009 Developers. The training will take 15 days and is scheduled to start on 11/06/2012 and will cover:- - Introduction to Microsoft Dynamics Nav 2009 - Introduction to C/SIDE programming - C/SIDE Solution development - Latest Development and way forward on Microsoft Dynamics Nav 2009
After the training, the trainees who opt to get certified as MCP, Ms dynamics Nav 2009 developer will be placed on a programme to get the certification by December 2012.
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@I did this as my first programming language and used it for first project Joseph and when say HISTORY I MEAN GOOD HISTORY On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Joseph Maina <mainasoft00@gmail.com> wrote:
@mickey
for those whose it was the first language, and the language you did project with..... it is not history...
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Mickey Mickey <michaelakunga@gmail.com>wrote:
CV Details for structured PASCAL? Someone need update his CV again right after eliminating it as an old language History repeats itself.
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Moses <mosenetk@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Guys,
I got someone looking for an instructor to teach introduction to programming using pascal on part time. If you are interested, please inbox your CV/details.
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