Re: [Skunkworks] [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: ICDL to be Gazetted: Is Open Office recognized?
Thanks Dr.Ndemo. The following concerns came to my mind: I believe the government can use a variety of software (proprietary or not). Those software have the features in ICDL but they might be organized differently or the user needs to go through different steps to achieve same results. Therefore I think it might be very useful for anyone who has gone through the ICDL to have learnt atleast 2 of the same kind of the most popular software that the government uses e.g. for Word processing, MS Word and OpenOffice Writer. One may argue that this may take longer time to teach ICDL but I don't believe that time is significantly long. Once a candidate has learnt the fundamentals of Word Processing through one software, it's now a matter of seeing how the same can be archieved in a different software. I believe this has benefits for government and kenyans in general. Incase government migrates to different software e.g. OpenOffice Writer to MS Word, then the migration is smoother. On the same subject, I think it's good to teach about interoperability of different softwares of the same kind. E.g. importing and exporting documents between different Word Processing softwares. If the government is having a hard time deciding which cars to drive I won't be surprised that some want to use MS Word while others OpenOffice Writer. So my point is that I would suggest the candidates of the ICDL course be exposed to a variety of software. --- On Fri, 11/6/09, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [Skunkworks] [ke-internetusers] Re: ICDL to be Gazetted: Is Open Office recognized? To: kiriinya2000@yahoo.com Cc: "Zacs" <mwatha_zacs@yahoo.com>, "Skunkworks Forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke>, "ke-users" <ke-internetusers@bdix.net>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 10:01 AM Attached please find the ICDL syllabus and please let me have your comments as to whether it is proprietary or not. Regards Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo, Permit me to differ with you on this and agree with Waudo's position, such a move would be defeatist, let the market decide what it wants with regard to the Computer Applications, the issue here is about the skills and the market should determine that , Africa as a continent and we as a country are trying to catch up with the developed world and only "freedom" can can bring about innovation, i think governmnet should focus on Infrastructure and the global policy environment. I would like to get the opinion of other policy makers on the same issue. Regards
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
Thank you.
If they report your Open Source clarification clearly, then we may consider dropping our open source complaint to MCK.
regards,
a.
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 7:11 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
I will be on KTN in 5 minutes to clarify this. Please watch.
Ndemo Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:05:01 To: Zacs<mwatha_zacs@yahoo.com> Cc: Skunkworks Forum<skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke>; ke-users< ke-internetusers@bdix.net> Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Re: [Skunkworks] ICDL to be Gazetted: Is Open Office recognized?
I have reliable information to the effect that the PS mentioned both Open Source ICDL and Proprietary ICDL. Now looking for the actual KTN footage to confirm what was actually reported, upon whose confirmation, if found skewed reporting as true we shall lodge a formal, open complaint against the media house to the Media Council of Kenya for misinformation on such a sensitive national subject.
Regards,
Alex
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Zacs <mwatha_zacs@yahoo.com> wrote:
I seriously believe there is no way ICDL can be a proprietary licence.
________________________________ From: Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> To: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke>; ke-users <ke-internetusers@bdix.net> Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 12:19:57 AM Subject: [ke-internetusers] Re: [Skunkworks] ICDL to be Gazetted: Is Open Office recognized?
If they only gazette ICDL and leave out OpenICDL http://www.openicdl.org/ we shall go to court to have the Gazette Notice annulled on the basis of its illegality hence illegitimacy. Contemplating such an illegal move would leave sour scars and in any case we no longer have time for niceties play with Microsofties family..
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I sincerely hope this is not the case. It would be very unfortunate if government forces citizens to take a certain route. From my small investigation ICDL seems to be a pretty widespread standard that is supposed to be vendor neutral and not linked to any particular software. See this link for some information. http://www.ecdl.com/programmes/index.jsp?p=102&n=108 as well as this one http://www.ecdl.com/programmes/index.jsp?p=108&n=119. I hope this is what was in mind
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Well said Wesley. There has been a lot more heat than light on this thread that a simple google could have addressed. I would also like to suggest ICDL II or ICDL Plus that would extend the above and empower students with basic programming skills that can be reused in their careers, *not necessarily as programmers*! I'm thinking these skills will allow students to be more effective in their work by automating their day to day software using tools like macros. Whose syllabus would look like so: 1. Introduction To Object Oriented Programming (C++ or Java or C#) 2. Introduction To Scripting Languages (JavaScript or Python, Ruby) 3. Introduction to Web Programming 4. Programming Project On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 11:27 AM, wesley kirinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com>wrote:
Thanks Dr.Ndemo. The following concerns came to my mind:
I believe the government can use a variety of software (proprietary or not). Those software have the features in ICDL but they might be organized differently or the user needs to go through different steps to achieve same results. Therefore I think it might be very useful for anyone who has gone through the ICDL to have learnt atleast 2 of the same kind of the most popular software that the government uses e.g. for Word processing, MS Word and OpenOffice Writer. One may argue that this may take longer time to teach ICDL but I don't believe that time is significantly long. Once a candidate has learnt the fundamentals of Word Processing through one software, it's now a matter of seeing how the same can be archieved in a different software. I believe this has benefits for government and kenyans in general. Incase government migrates to different software e.g. OpenOffice Writer to MS Word, then the migration is smoother.
On the same subject, I think it's good to teach about interoperability of different softwares of the same kind. E.g. importing and exporting documents between different Word Processing softwares. If the government is having a hard time deciding which cars to drive I won't be surprised that some want to use MS Word while others OpenOffice Writer.
So my point is that I would suggest the candidates of the ICDL course be exposed to a variety of software.
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