
Anyone have information on a outage on the Zuku network today? i've tried 3 locations with no luck. No connectivity. Customer service lines aren't going through and cs emails unanswered. -- Pamoja e:daudi.were@gmail.com <e%3Adaudi.were@gmail.com> skype: d.were

Just been to their offices in town - unhelpful as usual. Bah! But the lady told me that their network is done - she claims Seacom is down. Not really sure about that but Zuku itself is indeed down. Kelvin www.likechapaa.com <http://www.dukapress.com>www.dukapress.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We help make your website a success. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone have information on a outage on the Zuku network today? i've tried 3 locations with no luck. No connectivity. Customer service lines aren't going through and cs emails unanswered.
-- Pamoja
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SEACOM is down. http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39371:se... On 2 December 2010 12:56, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone have information on a outage on the Zuku network today? i've tried 3 locations with no luck. No connectivity. Customer service lines aren't going through and cs emails unanswered.
-- Pamoja
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I've seen emails from two different ISPs saying SEACOM AND TEAMS r down!! On 2 December 2010 13:05, David Njuki <njukey@gmail.com> wrote:
SEACOM is down.
http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39371:se...
On 2 December 2010 12:56, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone have information on a outage on the Zuku network today? i've tried 3 locations with no luck. No connectivity. Customer service lines aren't going through and cs emails unanswered.
-- Pamoja
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THEY ALL DOWN so dont change ISPs ...yet :-) On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 2:18 PM, mash lists <mashlists@gmail.com> wrote:
I've seen emails from two different ISPs saying SEACOM AND TEAMS r down!!
On 2 December 2010 13:05, David Njuki <njukey@gmail.com> wrote:
SEACOM is down.
http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39371:se...
On 2 December 2010 12:56, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone have information on a outage on the Zuku network today? i've tried 3 locations with no luck. No connectivity. Customer service lines aren't going through and cs emails unanswered.
-- Pamoja
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Then what are we using? D On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
THEY ALL DOWN so dont change ISPs ...yet
:-)
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 2:18 PM, mash lists <mashlists@gmail.com> wrote:
I've seen emails from two different ISPs saying SEACOM AND TEAMS r down!!
On 2 December 2010 13:05, David Njuki <njukey@gmail.com> wrote:
SEACOM is down.
http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39371:se...
On 2 December 2010 12:56, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone have information on a outage on the Zuku network today? i've tried 3 locations with no luck. No connectivity. Customer service lines aren't going through and cs emails unanswered.
-- Pamoja
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If SEACOM and TEAMS are down, shouldn't there be at least local traffic. Is KIXP down as well? On 12/2/10, Denis G. Wahome <dwahome@gmail.com> wrote:
Then what are we using?
D
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
THEY ALL DOWN so dont change ISPs ...yet
:-)
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 2:18 PM, mash lists <mashlists@gmail.com> wrote:
I've seen emails from two different ISPs saying SEACOM AND TEAMS r down!!
On 2 December 2010 13:05, David Njuki <njukey@gmail.com> wrote:
SEACOM is down.
http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39371:se...
On 2 December 2010 12:56, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone have information on a outage on the Zuku network today? i've tried 3 locations with no luck. No connectivity. Customer service lines aren't going through and cs emails unanswered.
-- Pamoja
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am sure Access kenya has done some re-routing... On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Gichingiri Kuria <gmail@gichingiri.com> wrote:
If SEACOM and TEAMS are down, shouldn't there be at least local traffic. Is KIXP down as well?
On 12/2/10, Denis G. Wahome <dwahome@gmail.com> wrote:
Then what are we using?
D
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
THEY ALL DOWN so dont change ISPs ...yet
:-)
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 2:18 PM, mash lists <mashlists@gmail.com> wrote:
I've seen emails from two different ISPs saying SEACOM AND TEAMS r down!!
On 2 December 2010 13:05, David Njuki <njukey@gmail.com> wrote:
SEACOM is down.
http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39371:se...
On 2 December 2010 12:56, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone have information on a outage on the Zuku network today? i've tried 3 locations with no luck. No connectivity. Customer service lines aren't going through and cs emails unanswered.
-- Pamoja
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"Then what are we using?" lol...@denis the menace On 12/2/10, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
am sure Access kenya has done some re-routing...
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Gichingiri Kuria <gmail@gichingiri.com> wrote:
If SEACOM and TEAMS are down, shouldn't there be at least local traffic. Is KIXP down as well?
On 12/2/10, Denis G. Wahome <dwahome@gmail.com> wrote:
Then what are we using?
D
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
THEY ALL DOWN so dont change ISPs ...yet
:-)
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 2:18 PM, mash lists <mashlists@gmail.com> wrote:
I've seen emails from two different ISPs saying SEACOM AND TEAMS r down!!
On 2 December 2010 13:05, David Njuki <njukey@gmail.com> wrote:
SEACOM is down.
http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39371:se...
On 2 December 2010 12:56, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote: > > Anyone have information on a outage on the Zuku network today? > i've tried 3 locations with no luck. No connectivity. > Customer service lines aren't going through and cs emails unanswered. > > -- > Pamoja > > e:daudi.were@gmail.com <e%3Adaudi.were@gmail.com> > skype: d.were > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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Both Seacom and Teams have fiber cuts, coincidentially around the same point off Egyptian coast. However, the Satelite fail over for most ISPs are just so crappy. The fairest i would say is JTL which can be tolerable...well least of the worst! Best Regards Collins Idewa Emadau P.O.BOX 62689 - 00200, City Square,Nairobi KENYA. email : emadauidewa@gmail.com Mobile : +254723542064 skype : emadau29 *Do what you can,with what you have,where you are-Roosvel*t On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Claire Njoki <clairenjoki@gmail.com> wrote:
"Then what are we using?"
lol...@denis the menace
On 12/2/10, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
am sure Access kenya has done some re-routing...
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Gichingiri Kuria <gmail@gichingiri.com> wrote:
If SEACOM and TEAMS are down, shouldn't there be at least local traffic. Is KIXP down as well?
On 12/2/10, Denis G. Wahome <dwahome@gmail.com> wrote:
Then what are we using?
D
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng < ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
THEY ALL DOWN so dont change ISPs ...yet
:-)
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 2:18 PM, mash lists <mashlists@gmail.com> wrote:
I've seen emails from two different ISPs saying SEACOM AND TEAMS r down!!
On 2 December 2010 13:05, David Njuki <njukey@gmail.com> wrote: > > SEACOM is down. > > > http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39371:se... > > On 2 December 2010 12:56, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Anyone have information on a outage on the Zuku network today? >> i've tried 3 locations with no luck. No connectivity. >> Customer service lines aren't going through and cs emails unanswered. >> >> -- >> Pamoja >> >> e:daudi.were@gmail.com <e%3Adaudi.were@gmail.com> < e%3Adaudi.were@gmail.com <e%253Adaudi.were@gmail.com>> >> skype: d.were >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > -- > ˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙ > Regards, > David Njuki > @njukey [Google,Twitter,Yahoo] > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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They all link with the SEAMW4 cable at Fujaira in UAE, and SEAMW4 had the cut. coincidentally, the only cable that (am not sure of progress) that connects directly to London, EASSy was having a press conference in the afternoon (planned long before though)

As you've seen below ... We carry our traffic on both TEAMS and SEACOM which you'd expect is good redundancy. However, these do converge in the Suez Canal and on SEAMW4 to get to London (where main Internet peering/transit POPs are). SEAMW4 had a cable cut on one of their terrestrial legs. They have backup, but they had an equipment failure also, and the backup switchover didn't work. It took them several hours to get this fixed. We're looking to see how to add even more diversity on the physical routes/cables. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Kioko" <dmbuvi@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Thursday, December 2, 2010 4:04:06 PM Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] ZUKU down? They all link with the SEAMW4 cable at Fujaira in UAE, and SEAMW4 had the cut. coincidentally, the only cable that (am not sure of progress) that connects directly to London, EASSy was having a press conference in the afternoon (planned long before though) _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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Alvin Jason Ochieng
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Collins Emadau
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Kelvin
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