Greetings Fellow Skunks, Just putting this out there. Can Skunkworks be registered as an official body? If yes, what're the procedures and how soon can it be done? Rahim.
@Rahim An official body...meaning the likes of TESPOK, KIF, KEMSA etc etc? I believe its possible but it will take time...lots of time. We will need a structure of some sort, officials, CASH, Office..... etc etc... I'd rather it be as it is, we do things our 'legal' way. -- http://www.google.com/profiles/cnongera.
@Clement Well, these are agencies and Associations. As a Tech Forum, is there any other way of being registered sort of as a recognizable body? Clement Ongera wrote:
@Rahim An official body...meaning the likes of TESPOK, KIF, KEMSA etc etc? I believe its possible but it will take time...lots of time. We will need a structure of some sort, officials, CASH, Office..... etc etc... I'd rather it be as it is, we do things our 'legal' way.
The question is what benefit is there to registering? On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Rahim Kara <skunkingrahim@gmail.com>wrote:
@Clement Well, these are agencies and Associations. As a Tech Forum, is there any other way of being registered sort of as a recognizable body?
Clement Ongera wrote:
@Rahim An official body...meaning the likes of TESPOK, KIF, KEMSA etc etc? I believe its possible but it will take time...lots of time. We will need a structure of some sort, officials, CASH, Office..... etc etc... I'd rather it be as it is, we do things our 'legal' way.
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
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@Rahim. I believe we are recognized as a Techie body in kenya, only that we are 'not' registered as a(Wait a minute. we will be registered as what? under who?) We are a body that discusses and offer solutions to all aspects in life in relation to IT. I mean we use IT to sort-of offer solutions to life's and IT problems....It will be hard to pin down the area we will be 'registered' under. We are also a body that accommodate all persons irrespective of their field, so there again will we be registered as a 'lobby group?', 'IT Group?', 'An IT solutions Provider?' or just 'SkunkWorks, Everthing ICT!'....The registrar will want to know...... -- http://www.google.com/profiles/cnongera.
1. Skunkworks needs to be registered as an Information & Communication Technology Society. (There needs to be an AGM once per annum according to the Societies Act) 2. It should complement what the Kenya ICT Board is doing - sort or a Public Private Partnership - to connect / promote Kenyan Techie (Entreprenuer) skills to Serikali & Biasharas Locally, Regionally & Internationally. 3. People's money is being collected and should be in a bank account. If 300K is raised where should it be kept? In a mattress? If we approach Corporate Orgs for donations, who do they write a cheque to? Phares or Josiah? There should be a finance committee. It does not have to meet in person. It can use Google Wave. How about accounting? Well someone can donate their accounting software and skills too. It is about economic sustainability - funds must be raised per annum. Subscriptions will also reduce the noise that has made so many drop out off the list. The mailing list should be open to anyone but only those who have paid an annual subscription can comment on the list Those who have not paid should be disabled from commenting on the list. Say one has contributed 5K for the server, then they should be considered as having subscribed to comment the list for 5 years. Officials can be chosen or sitting ones approved to continue per annum. My suggestion is that half officials be aged between 21 and 30 years of age and the other half be 30+ years to provide balance No one gender should comprise more than 70% of the board .. and all that ... constitutional stuff On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Clement Ongera <cnongera@gmail.com> wrote:
@Rahim. I believe we are recognized as a Techie body in kenya, only that we are 'not' registered as a(Wait a minute. we will be registered as what? under who?) We are a body that discusses and offer solutions to all aspects in life in relation to IT. I mean we use IT to sort-of offer solutions to life's and IT problems....It will be hard to pin down the area we will be 'registered' under. We are also a body that accommodate all persons irrespective of their field, so there again will we be registered as a 'lobby group?', 'IT Group?', 'An IT solutions Provider?' or just 'SkunkWorks, Everthing ICT!'....The registrar will want to know......
-- http://www.google.com/profiles/cnongera. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
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No one seems to be answering my question. What benefits are there to registering?
A bank account & corporate donations. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
No one seems to be answering my question. What benefits are there to registering?
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
If we do not see the benefit of contributing to a server for *OURSELVES* why would anyone else pump money into Skunkworks? We need to lead from in front to get credibility On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com>wrote:
A bank account & corporate donations.
Agreed Conrad. That is why the mailing list on the new Server, which is going to be owned by those who contribute to its purchase will be different. It should not be exploited by those who have not shown any goodwill to keep this mailing list alive by helping us purchase a new Skunkworks Server. My thoughts go to those who are struggling to survive in Kenya but are sacrificially giving to purchase a new Skunkworks Server. They are the ones who will have say on what goes on in the list. If they do not agree with this they can vote against it and let those who have refused to help us purchase a Server exploit the goodwill of those who have. And one more thing, we (Kenyan SME's) are the future Corporate Orgs that are going to keep this list alive if it is filled with Business Sensibilities too. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
If we do not see the benefit of contributing to a server for *OURSELVES*why would anyone else pump money into Skunkworks? We need to lead from in front to get credibility
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com>wrote:
A bank account & corporate donations.
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
-- If you can't remedy the situation create a better one.
A purely personal opinion, observing how Kenyan's organisations grow. At the moment, funding for Skunkworks is on a *needs* basis.... i.e. we need a server, money is raised for the server, server bought etc... No money actually goes through Skunkworks... The problem is, if we start receiving money, firstly, we would no longer be independent... secondly, Skunkworks would become political... If we have money, someone will have to be paid to administer it, etc etc. The motivation for running Skunkworks will easily change and become fiscal...
Neutraility does not exist in humans. Instead, Skunkworks should have a constitution to keep it as open as possible to all kinds of views irrespective of who donates to it. That is what the Bill of Rights is all about. In fact the reason why Africans were colonized is because we just talked (had an oral culture) & documented no principles & procedures (= systems) to be productive. Have been made to understand that Skunkworks once met with a CEO of a Multinational Telecom who asked about its purpose for existence. There was no good answer from what I heard. And like CEO, the Techie (Entreprenuer) who told me this concluded later this is list is not designed to achieve any goals. If Skunkworks is doing so well as it is now, why do we not have 300K in donations now? It just shows this list is not taken seriously as it is. Who says Skunkworks cannot be run as a Virtual Org? Why are we afraid to learn to learn new concepts such as Team Building? Without its own funds, Skunkworks becomes even more dependent on external influences. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
A purely personal opinion, observing how Kenyan's organisations grow. At the moment, funding for Skunkworks is on a *needs* basis.... i.e. we need a server, money is raised for the server, server bought etc... No money actually goes through Skunkworks... The problem is, if we start receiving money, firstly, we would no longer be independent... secondly, Skunkworks would become political... If we have money, someone will have to be paid to administer it, etc etc. The motivation for running Skunkworks will easily change and become fiscal... _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
-- If you can't remedy the situation create a better one.
Noob questions. 1. What does the new skunkworks server offer thats different from the current infrastructure? 2. How does the cost of running it compare with the current costs? 3. Who will bear the costs? And ultimately, who bears the responsibility of ensuring the brand new skunk server keeps running? 4. How about operation and admin? What gets hosted? What platform? Why? 5. What objectives would be met by the new setup cant be met by the current one? 6. How sustainable is it in terms of: a ) cost of running. (say something worth half its purchase price thats not covered blows up ) b ) freedom from interference, the piper and the tune analogy. C ) model. Can its model sustain it beyond now? I ask all these because they will definately come up. Unless the following is guaranteed upfront. A ) a company, (in this case kdn or safaricom ) volunteers at no strings attached data center rack space for life for the skunk server. B ) another company offers to pay an agreed amount to a techie to manage the server as a systems admin, with no strings attached. C ) then slunks volunteer, either through a standard registration fee or other fund raising method to take care of incidental costs as may arise. Otherwise i think the skunk server project is best treated as a limited, for profit company running the list (depending on the business model so chosen ) as a business. The business neednt be about charging for content, or subscription, or even advertising. There is plenty of ways to make money off an active list like this. On 2/16/10, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com> wrote:
Neutraility does not exist in humans. Instead, Skunkworks should have a constitution to keep it as open as possible to all kinds of views irrespective of who donates to it. That is what the Bill of Rights is all about. In fact the reason why Africans were colonized is because we just talked (had an oral culture) & documented no principles & procedures (= systems) to be productive.
Have been made to understand that Skunkworks once met with a CEO of a Multinational Telecom who asked about its purpose for existence. There was no good answer from what I heard. And like CEO, the Techie (Entreprenuer) who told me this concluded later this is list is not designed to achieve any goals. If Skunkworks is doing so well as it is now, why do we not have 300K in donations now? It just shows this list is not taken seriously as it is.
Who says Skunkworks cannot be run as a Virtual Org? Why are we afraid to learn to learn new concepts such as Team Building? Without its own funds, Skunkworks becomes even more dependent on external influences.
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
A purely personal opinion, observing how Kenyan's organisations grow. At the moment, funding for Skunkworks is on a *needs* basis.... i.e. we need a server, money is raised for the server, server bought etc... No money actually goes through Skunkworks... The problem is, if we start receiving money, firstly, we would no longer be independent... secondly, Skunkworks would become political... If we have money, someone will have to be paid to administer it, etc etc. The motivation for running Skunkworks will easily change and become fiscal... _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
-- If you can't remedy the situation create a better one.
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Hi all. Lets register skunkworks(an NGO, ICT organization, etc, etc) Lets have members who will be responsible for skunkworks...(Chairman, CEO, Secretary, Accountant, BOD, etc, etc) Lets define the roles that the CEO,Members, etc,etc will have/do. Lets have a 'Constitution, Business Plan, etc,etc') Lets have 'Membership Fee' Lets have an 'office'(so its not a briefcase organization/business) See where I'm going....Structured. Should we agree first of all who will be 'responsible' for skunkworks and structures put in place, then I'll be happy to be a proud member of skunkworks dot org or skunkworks, pay my subscription,attend annual general meeting etc,etc.... otherwise I'm happy here wishing persons happy birthday, discuss how to make your own custom yogurt, as well as <?php echo "Php Solution"; ?> -- http://www.google.com/profiles/cnongera.
Hi all, I see this server purchase debate turning into some kind of pissing contest or them and us debate. Now there's talk about there being a separate mailing list only for those who contributed? And only donaters will have a say in how skunkworks evolves? That's a dangerous path to follow. Either this is a loose collective where the tech community get to share ideas etc or it isn't, there's no middle ground. Some form of registration might be useful, especially now that the group needs to own property (server). But I must caution against just barging into this headlong. First off, things should be 'bottom-up', consensus driven, with maybe a small team empowered to handle administrative issues on a volunteer basis. Secondly there should be thought, discussion and if desired adoption of bylaws or a constitution. I have set up non-profits and community organisations many times over the past 18yrs of my career in IT, and it is easy to make mistakes in the early stages which become very hard to solve later. But it is also easy to get things right and be proud of the product in a few years time. First of all, don't let this server issue make some more equal than others. Brian Sent from my iPhone On Feb 16, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com> wrote:
Agreed Conrad. That is why the mailing list on the new Server, which is going to be owned by those who contribute to its purchase will be different. It should not be exploited by those who have not shown any goodwill to keep this mailing list alive by helping us purchase a new Skunkworks Server. My thoughts go to those who are struggling to survive in Kenya but are sacrificially giving to purchase a new Skunkworks Server. They are the ones who will have say on what goes on in the list. If they do not agree with this they can vote against it and let those who have refused to help us purchase a Server exploit the goodwill of those who have.
And one more thing, we (Kenyan SME's) are the future Corporate Orgs that are going to keep this list alive if it is filled with Business Sensibilities too.
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: If we do not see the benefit of contributing to a server for OURSELVES why would anyone else pump money into Skunkworks? We need to lead from in front to get credibility
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com
wrote: A bank account & corporate donations.
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
-- If you can't remedy the situation create a better one. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
Hi Brian, I'd like to know if it is possible to set Skunkworks up as a non - profit org and i concur with your thoughts on the thin ledge we're treading on. One of the great things about Skunkworks is that it's an open forum. Remaining this way will have to be one of the core aspects of Skunkworks. Paying a registration / subscription seems to be a very capitalistic way of looking at things. My view on registering was that recognition of an actual body that deals with techy queries, young techies starting out and the likes of me who has issues all the time to have a ground to work with people who know all about the technologies out there. There are plus's and minus's to being registered. Considering we're all adults here and intellectuals, can we work on weighing the pro's to the con's? Brian Longwe wrote:
Hi all,
I see this server purchase debate turning into some kind of pissing contest or them and us debate. Now there's talk about there being a separate mailing list only for those who contributed? And only donaters will have a say in how skunkworks evolves? That's a dangerous path to follow.
Either this is a loose collective where the tech community get to share ideas etc or it isn't, there's no middle ground.
Some form of registration might be useful, especially now that the group needs to own property (server). But I must caution against just barging into this headlong. First off, things should be 'bottom-up', consensus driven, with maybe a small team empowered to handle administrative issues on a volunteer basis. Secondly there should be thought, discussion and if desired adoption of bylaws or a constitution.
I have set up non-profits and community organisations many times over the past 18yrs of my career in IT, and it is easy to make mistakes in the early stages which become very hard to solve later. But it is also easy to get things right and be proud of the product in a few years time.
First of all, don't let this server issue make some more equal than others.
Brian
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 16, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com <mailto:mmskunkworks@gmail.com>> wrote:
Agreed Conrad. That is why the mailing list on the new Server, which is going to be owned by those who contribute to its purchase will be different. It should not be exploited by those who have not shown any goodwill to keep this mailing list alive by helping us purchase a new Skunkworks Server. My thoughts go to those who are struggling to survive in Kenya but are sacrificially giving to purchase a new Skunkworks Server. They are the ones who will have say on what goes on in the list. If they do not agree with this they can vote against it and let those who have refused to help us purchase a Server exploit the goodwill of those who have.
And one more thing, we (Kenyan SME's) are the future Corporate Orgs that are going to keep this list alive if it is filled with Business Sensibilities too.
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com <mailto:conradakunga@gmail.com>> wrote:
If we do not see the benefit of contributing to a server for *OURSELVES* why would anyone else pump money into Skunkworks? We need to lead from in front to get credibility
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com <mailto:mmskunkworks@gmail.com>> wrote:
A bank account & corporate donations.
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... <http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1fbjAwOUE&hl=en> ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 <http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94> ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
-- If you can't remedy the situation create a better one. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... <http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1fbjAwOUE&hl=en> ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 <http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94> ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
Rahim, A very important point to keep in mind is the fact that skunkworks main realm of existence is the mailing list(s?) and to a certain extent the physical meetings coordinated thereby. All of this can remain as-is, without being affected by formal registration (if that's what people want). The key thing to keep in mind is, why register? What purpose does it serve and what obligations/privileges does registration carry with it? These issues need thought and discussion, then probably more thought and discussion. The rule I generally stick to is "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" and IMHO Skunkworks is far from broken. However, as things evolve and complexity increases, the need for registration will probably come up for review more than once. Bottom line is that it's always best to have a consensus-based process for making such decisions. To your initial question, there are many different avenues towards registration, each with it's own pros and cons, one needs to understand the various types and make an informed decision as to which would better suits ones purposes. Regards, Brian Sent from my iPhone On Feb 16, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Rahim Kara <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Brian,
I'd like to know if it is possible to set Skunkworks up as a non - profit org and i concur with your thoughts on the thin ledge we're treading on. One of the great things about Skunkworks is that it's an open forum. Remaining this way will have to be one of the core aspects of Skunkworks. Paying a registration / subscription seems to be a very capitalistic way of looking at things.
My view on registering was that recognition of an actual body that deals with techy queries, young techies starting out and the likes of me who has issues all the time to have a ground to work with people who know all about the technologies out there.
There are plus's and minus's to being registered. Considering we're all adults here and intellectuals, can we work on weighing the pro's to the con's?
Brian Longwe wrote:
Hi all,
I see this server purchase debate turning into some kind of pissing contest or them and us debate. Now there's talk about there being a separate mailing list only for those who contributed? And only donaters will have a say in how skunkworks evolves? That's a dangerous path to follow.
Either this is a loose collective where the tech community get to share ideas etc or it isn't, there's no middle ground.
Some form of registration might be useful, especially now that the group needs to own property (server). But I must caution against just barging into this headlong. First off, things should be 'bottom-up', consensus driven, with maybe a small team empowered to handle administrative issues on a volunteer basis. Secondly there should be thought, discussion and if desired adoption of bylaws or a constitution.
I have set up non-profits and community organisations many times over the past 18yrs of my career in IT, and it is easy to make mistakes in the early stages which become very hard to solve later. But it is also easy to get things right and be proud of the product in a few years time.
First of all, don't let this server issue make some more equal than others.
Brian
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 16, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com> wrote:
Agreed Conrad. That is why the mailing list on the new Server, which is going to be owned by those who contribute to its purchase will be different. It should not be exploited by those who have not shown any goodwill to keep this mailing list alive by helping us purchase a new Skunkworks Server. My thoughts go to those who are struggling to survive in Kenya but are sacrificially giving to purchase a new Skunkworks Server. They are the ones who will have say on what goes on in the list. If they do not agree with this they can vote against it and let those who have refused to help us purchase a Server exploit the goodwill of those who have.
And one more thing, we (Kenyan SME's) are the future Corporate Orgs that are going to keep this list alive if it is filled with Business Sensibilities too.
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: If we do not see the benefit of contributing to a server for OURSELVES why would anyone else pump money into Skunkworks? We need to lead from in front to get credibility
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com
wrote: A bank account & corporate donations.
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Dear Skunks, On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Brian Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote: <snip>
The rule I generally stick to is "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" and IMHO Skunkworks is far from broken.
+1 Do we *need* a new server? Can we not just outsource the listserv to the Cloud at no cost? I'm on the Village Telco dev list, which is a Google Group, and it works a treat. I know all the arguments re; keeping local traffic local, etc, but it may be an idea to consider. my 2 bob -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
I secon Maina, the fact that some people can afford to contribute and brag that they have contributed is not reason enough to lock out others from the list. The list also includes students from several campuses and perhaps high schools, and so you do not expect them to match your contributions. After all, if one has the money, why not start their own skunkpay mailing list complete with susbcriptions, monthly t-shirts, skunk DVD... In short, the scope is replacing the server at the moment, lets not loose focus as we talk about how skunkworks can have a lunar live feed blah blah
I have used Ubuntu, I have never contributed to the source code :) Hope the analogy clears things up? On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi+skunkworks@gmail.com<dmbuvi%2Bskunkworks@gmail.com>
wrote:
I secon Maina, the fact that some people can afford to contribute and brag that they have contributed is not reason enough to lock out others from the list. The list also includes students from several campuses and perhaps high schools, and so you do not expect them to match your contributions.
After all, if one has the money, why not start their own skunkpay mailing list complete with susbcriptions, monthly t-shirts, skunk DVD...
In short, the scope is replacing the server at the moment, lets not loose focus as we talk about how skunkworks can have a lunar live feed blah blah
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The issue is with people who committed to contributing, btw... People *voluntarily* put up their names :) On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
I have used Ubuntu, I have never contributed to the source code :) Hope the analogy clears things up?
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi+skunkworks@gmail.com<dmbuvi%2Bskunkworks@gmail.com>
wrote:
I secon Maina, the fact that some people can afford to contribute and brag that they have contributed is not reason enough to lock out others from the list. The list also includes students from several campuses and perhaps high schools, and so you do not expect them to match your contributions.
After all, if one has the money, why not start their own skunkpay mailing list complete with susbcriptions, monthly t-shirts, skunk DVD...
In short, the scope is replacing the server at the moment, lets not loose focus as we talk about how skunkworks can have a lunar live feed blah blah
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Phares Kariuki
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Students can give 200 bob. Don't tell us they don't spend that much clubbing on some weekends. 1 vote each for those who give 200bob and 1 vote still for those who give 10K. Why should those who are too stingy to donate demand generosity / charity from those who do? And please note this is going to continue until we get 60K to buy a cheap server. Keep me quiet by donating. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi+skunkworks@gmail.com<dmbuvi%2Bskunkworks@gmail.com>
wrote:
I secon Maina, the fact that some people can afford to contribute and brag that they have contributed is not reason enough to lock out others from the list. The list also includes students from several campuses and perhaps high schools, and so you do not expect them to match your contributions.
After all, if one has the money, why not start their own skunkpay mailing list complete with susbcriptions, monthly t-shirts, skunk DVD...
In short, the scope is replacing the server at the moment, lets not loose focus as we talk about how skunkworks can have a lunar live feed blah blah
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On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com>wrote:
Students can give 200 bob. Don't tell us they don't spend that much clubbing on some weekends.
1 vote each for those who give 200bob and 1 vote still for those who give 10K.
Why should those who are too stingy to donate demand generosity / charity from those who do?
And please note this is going to continue until we get 60K to buy a cheap server.
Keep me quiet by donating.
Does that mean that i should label your posts as rantings meant to make skunks contribute 60k? Then maybe after that I can take your posts as serious thoughts from a serious skunk? :-)
The moment this list requires any form of subscription I am out. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com>wrote:
Students can give 200 bob. Don't tell us they don't spend that much clubbing on some weekends.
1 vote each for those who give 200bob and 1 vote still for those who give 10K.
Why should those who are too stingy to donate demand generosity / charity from those who do?
And please note this is going to continue until we get 60K to buy a cheap server.
Keep me quiet by donating.
Does that mean that i should label your posts as rantings meant to make skunks contribute 60k? Then maybe after that I can take your posts as serious thoughts from a serious skunk?
:-)
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My thoughts are serious but the list (which is separate from the Server) has its owners. The two Skunkworks founders who bought the current server meant for it to be open and it will remain that way. However, those contribute for the new Server will not be impressed by those who think they should have a say on equipment they have refused to help purchase. There is stuff on the new Server (apart from this mailing list) that may require their consent or use.
From sitting in a non IT committee or two in the past, have noticed hostility towards those who are perceived to be joyriders by the ones who put their monies where their mouths (comments) are.
There will be need to continually improve the Cheap Server (RAM, Hard Drives etc) we buy and there needs to be a Formal Body to issues receipts to those of us who need receipts for our contributions. Am sure hosting a Skunkworks Server locally must have (tele-video-conferencing) bandwidth benefits. Ashok has wisely suggested that we need a Finance Committee. Quite an experienced fellow with legal matters for those of you who do know. The founders of the list and one other party (like Phares) can be the signatories to the account we will need to open ASAP. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com>wrote:
Students can give 200 bob. Don't tell us they don't spend that much clubbing on some weekends.
1 vote each for those who give 200bob and 1 vote still for those who give 10K.
Why should those who are too stingy to donate demand generosity / charity from those who do?
And please note this is going to continue until we get 60K to buy a cheap server.
Keep me quiet by donating.
Does that mean that i should label your posts as rantings meant to make skunks contribute 60k? Then maybe after that I can take your posts as serious thoughts from a serious skunk?
:-)
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For those who feel they need a formal body, why not go ahead and leave the rest of us in this informal, free-joining, no strings attached body called skunkworks? When you formalize is when politics comes in, and this spoils the spirit of openness. I will always vote for a free and open forum. I have formal organizations which I am a member and they have a purpose - this, had a purpose of being free and open. ./Ok3ch On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com> wrote:
My thoughts are serious but the list (which is separate from the Server) has its owners.
The two Skunkworks founders who bought the current server meant for it to be open and it will remain that way.
However, those contribute for the new Server will not be impressed by those who think they should have a say on equipment they have refused to help purchase. There is stuff on the new Server (apart from this mailing list) that may require their consent or use.
From sitting in a non IT committee or two in the past, have noticed hostility towards those who are perceived to be joyriders by the ones who put their monies where their mouths (comments) are.
There will be need to continually improve the Cheap Server (RAM, Hard Drives etc) we buy and there needs to be a Formal Body to issues receipts to those of us who need receipts for our contributions. Am sure hosting a Skunkworks Server locally must have (tele-video-conferencing) bandwidth benefits.
Ashok has wisely suggested that we need a Finance Committee. Quite an experienced fellow with legal matters for those of you who do know.
The founders of the list and one other party (like Phares) can be the signatories to the account we will need to open ASAP.
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com> wrote:
Students can give 200 bob. Don't tell us they don't spend that much clubbing on some weekends.
1 vote each for those who give 200bob and 1 vote still for those who give 10K.
Why should those who are too stingy to donate demand generosity / charity from those who do?
And please note this is going to continue until we get 60K to buy a cheap server.
Keep me quiet by donating.
Does that mean that i should label your posts as rantings meant to make skunks contribute 60k? Then maybe after that I can take your posts as serious thoughts from a serious skunk? :-) _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
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I agree with Okechukwu! Maybe we should have an opinion poll on this one?! -- Regards Martin
Please go ahead. If these sentiments & opinion polls raise another 30K well and good. For the sake of making sure it happens, will go quiet now. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Kariuki Martin <martinkariuki7@gmail.com>wrote:
I agree with Okechukwu! Maybe we should have an opinion poll on this one?!
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i do support the need for skunkworks to have an infastructure yet again its biggest asset remains the stream of information that passes by this mailing list.interestingly enough it isnt the people who have ict knowledge that add value to this list but often it is those who are asking questions that invite a variety of uniquely kenyan answers often of members physicaly visiting a location then comming back with an answer and clicking a responce .such information cannot be got from google .to shut me off sk will deny the mailing list of unique information ,insight and contacts from rural kenya and so too is the potential of the students who use this site. I suggest the leadership set up an association(cost 5k) we pay membership fee and proposals are then sent out for grants etc regards matere On 2/17/10, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com> wrote:
My thoughts are serious but the list (which is separate from the Server) has its owners.
The two Skunkworks founders who bought the current server meant for it to be open and it will remain that way.
However, those contribute for the new Server will not be impressed by those who think they should have a say on equipment they have refused to help purchase. There is stuff on the new Server (apart from this mailing list) that may require their consent or use.
From sitting in a non IT committee or two in the past, have noticed hostility towards those who are perceived to be joyriders by the ones who put their monies where their mouths (comments) are.
There will be need to continually improve the Cheap Server (RAM, Hard Drives etc) we buy and there needs to be a Formal Body to issues receipts to those of us who need receipts for our contributions. Am sure hosting a Skunkworks Server locally must have (tele-video-conferencing) bandwidth benefits.
Ashok has wisely suggested that we need a Finance Committee. Quite an experienced fellow with legal matters for those of you who do know.
The founders of the list and one other party (like Phares) can be the signatories to the account we will need to open ASAP.
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com>wrote:
Students can give 200 bob. Don't tell us they don't spend that much clubbing on some weekends.
1 vote each for those who give 200bob and 1 vote still for those who give 10K.
Why should those who are too stingy to donate demand generosity / charity from those who do?
And please note this is going to continue until we get 60K to buy a cheap server.
Keep me quiet by donating.
Does that mean that i should label your posts as rantings meant to make skunks contribute 60k? Then maybe after that I can take your posts as serious thoughts from a serious skunk?
:-)
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Skunkworks by nature discourages formality because more accountability means that you cannot have "anonymous" members. Also if a corporate lets call them Bigpockets IT company sponsors us and the next day Bigpockets gives me bad service, i cannot come and rant and rave about it can i? I think the discussion of formalising skunkworks should be separated from stuff like server donations. Im happy with it as it is, we just need to know how far we have gone in raising cash for the server , when i send my contribution(when) if skunkworks falls apart, be sure I will not come claiming for a chip or processor, i feel nothing towards ownership. Maybe we should get more views? On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Brian Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I see this server purchase debate turning into some kind of pissing contest or them and us debate. Now there's talk about there being a separate mailing list only for those who contributed? And only donaters will have a say in how skunkworks evolves? That's a dangerous path to follow.
Either this is a loose collective where the tech community get to share ideas etc or it isn't, there's no middle ground.
Some form of registration might be useful, especially now that the group needs to own property (server). But I must caution against just barging into this headlong. First off, things should be 'bottom-up', consensus driven, with maybe a small team empowered to handle administrative issues on a volunteer basis. Secondly there should be thought, discussion and if desired adoption of bylaws or a constitution.
I have set up non-profits and community organisations many times over the past 18yrs of my career in IT, and it is easy to make mistakes in the early stages which become very hard to solve later. But it is also easy to get things right and be proud of the product in a few years time.
First of all, don't let this server issue make some more equal than others.
Brian
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On Feb 16, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com> wrote:
Agreed Conrad. That is why the mailing list on the new Server, which is going to be owned by those who contribute to its purchase will be different. It should not be exploited by those who have not shown any goodwill to keep this mailing list alive by helping us purchase a new Skunkworks Server. My thoughts go to those who are struggling to survive in Kenya but are sacrificially giving to purchase a new Skunkworks Server. They are the ones who will have say on what goes on in the list. If they do not agree with this they can vote against it and let those who have refused to help us purchase a Server exploit the goodwill of those who have.
And one more thing, we (Kenyan SME's) are the future Corporate Orgs that are going to keep this list alive if it is filled with Business Sensibilities too.
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Rad! < <conradakunga@gmail.com> conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
If we do not see the benefit of contributing to a server for *OURSELVES*why would anyone else pump money into Skunkworks? We need to lead from in front to get credibility
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Murigi Muraya <<mmskunkworks@gmail.com> mmskunkworks@gmail.com> wrote:
A bank account & corporate donations.
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-- Sent from my Voice Recognition Watch© -------------------------------------------------------------------- God is not an excuse for lack of discipline -------------------------------------------------------------------- Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate,but that we are powerful beyond measure.It is our light, not our darkness, that frightens us.There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you.As we let our own light shine, we consciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our fear,our presence automatically liberates others.
I second that. From the sound of it, it seems some pple are bracing themselves to dictate how the mail-list will be run or who joins age or otherwise, according to how much one contributed. Lets not forget we ave been using the system for years freely without those who contributed the current server and their man-power dictating;;(salute). ----------- David Maina. P. O. Box 8310-00200, NAIROBI, KENYA.. Cell:+254-721-950073. Registered Linux User #407239. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "By golly, I'm beginning to think Linux really *is* the best thing since sliced bread." --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Skunkworks Kenya To: "Skunkworks Forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 6:26 AM Skunkworks by nature discourages formality because more accountability means that you cannot have "anonymous" members. Also if a corporate lets call them Bigpockets IT company sponsors us and the next day Bigpockets gives me bad service, i cannot come and rant and rave about it can i?
I think the discussion of formalising skunkworks should be separated from stuff like server donations. Im happy with it as it is, we just need to know how far we have gone in raising cash for the server , when i send my contribution(when) if skunkworks falls apart, be sure I will not come claiming for a chip or processor, i feel nothing towards ownership. Maybe we should get more views?
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Brian Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all, I see this server purchase debate turning into some kind of pissing contest or them and us debate. Now there's talk about there being a separate mailing list only for those who contributed? And only donaters will have a say in how skunkworks evolves? That's a dangerous path to follow.
Either this is a loose collective where the tech community get to share ideas etc or it isn't, there's no middle ground. Some form of registration might be useful, especially now that the group needs to own property (server). But I must caution against just barging into this headlong. First off, things should be 'bottom-up', consensus driven, with maybe a small team empowered to handle administrative issues on a volunteer basis. Secondly there should be thought, discussion and if desired adoption of bylaws or a constitution.
I have set up non-profits and community organisations many times over the past 18yrs of my career in IT, and it is easy to make mistakes in the early stages which become very hard to solve later. But it is also easy to get things right and be proud of the product in a few years time.
First of all, don't let this server issue make some more equal than others. Brian Sent from my iPhone On Feb 16, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com> wrote:
Agreed Conrad. That is why the mailing list on the new Server, which is going to be owned by those who contribute to its purchase will be different. It should not be exploited by those who have not shown any goodwill to keep this mailing list alive by helping us purchase a new Skunkworks Server. My thoughts go to those who are struggling to survive in Kenya but are sacrificially giving to purchase a new Skunkworks Server. They are the ones who will have say on what goes on in the list. If they do not agree with this they can vote against it and let those who have refused to help us purchase a Server exploit the goodwill of those who have.
And one more thing, we (Kenyan SME's) are the future Corporate Orgs that are going to keep this list alive if it is filled with Business Sensibilities too.
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
If we do not see the benefit of contributing to a server for OURSELVES why would anyone else pump money into Skunkworks? We need to lead from in front to get credibility
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com> wrote:
A bank account & corporate donations.
_______________________________________________
Skunkworks mailing list
Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke
http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks
------------
Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f...
------------
Skunkworks Rules
http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94
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Other services @ http://my.co.ke
Other lists
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Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce
Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science
kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
-- If you can't remedy the situation create a better one.
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke
http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f...
------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------
Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce
Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science
kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
_______________________________________________
Skunkworks mailing list
Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke
http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks
------------
Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f...
------------
Skunkworks Rules
http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94
------------
Other services @ http://my.co.ke
Other lists
-------------
Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce
Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science
kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
-- Sent from my Voice Recognition Watch©
-------------------------------------------------------------------- God is not an excuse for lack of discipline -------------------------------------------------------------------- Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate,but that we are powerful beyond measure.It is our light, not our darkness, that frightens us.There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you.As we let our own light shine, we consciously give other people permission to do the same.
As we are liberated from our fear,our presence automatically liberates others.
-----Inline Attachment Follows-----
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
Maina, I think your email is creating an impression that all those who contributed are with the intention of dictating. Infact most if not all who have contributed for the procurement of the server are not of the intention to dictate. Its good to have your facts right before commenting because those who have been talking of dictating the members are not neccesarily those who have contributed but probably expressing themselves just like you are doing. regards, James maina wrote:
I second that.
From the sound of it, it seems some pple are bracing themselves to dictate how the mail-list will be run or who joins age or otherwise, according to how much one contributed. Lets not forget we ave been using the system for years freely without those who contributed the current server and their man-power dictating;;(salute).
----------- David Maina. P. O. Box 8310-00200, NAIROBI, KENYA.. Cell:+254-721-950073. Registered Linux User #407239. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "By golly, I'm beginning to think Linux really *is* the best thing since sliced bread."
--- On Tue, 2/16/10, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Skunkworks Kenya To: "Skunkworks Forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 6:26 AM Skunkworks by nature discourages formality because more accountability means that you cannot have "anonymous" members. Also if a corporate lets call them Bigpockets IT company sponsors us and the next day Bigpockets gives me bad service, i cannot come and rant and rave about it can i?
I think the discussion of formalising skunkworks should be separated from stuff like server donations. Im happy with it as it is, we just need to know how far we have gone in raising cash for the server , when i send my contribution(when) if skunkworks falls apart, be sure I will not come claiming for a chip or processor, i feel nothing towards ownership. Maybe we should get more views?
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Brian Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all, I see this server purchase debate turning into some kind of pissing contest or them and us debate. Now there's talk about there being a separate mailing list only for those who contributed? And only donaters will have a say in how skunkworks evolves? That's a dangerous path to follow.
Either this is a loose collective where the tech community get to share ideas etc or it isn't, there's no middle ground. Some form of registration might be useful, especially now that the group needs to own property (server). But I must caution against just barging into this headlong. First off, things should be 'bottom-up', consensus driven, with maybe a small team empowered to handle administrative issues on a volunteer basis. Secondly there should be thought, discussion and if desired adoption of bylaws or a constitution.
I have set up non-profits and community organisations many times over the past 18yrs of my career in IT, and it is easy to make mistakes in the early stages which become very hard to solve later. But it is also easy to get things right and be proud of the product in a few years time.
First of all, don't let this server issue make some more equal than others. Brian Sent from my iPhone On Feb 16, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com> wrote:
Agreed Conrad. That is why the mailing list on the new Server, which is going to be owned by those who contribute to its purchase will be different. It should not be exploited by those who have not shown any goodwill to keep this mailing list alive by helping us purchase a new Skunkworks Server. My thoughts go to those who are struggling to survive in Kenya but are sacrificially giving to purchase a new Skunkworks Server. They are the ones who will have say on what goes on in the list. If they do not agree with this they can vote against it and let those who have refused to help us purchase a Server exploit the goodwill of those who have.
And one more thing, we (Kenyan SME's) are the future Corporate Orgs that are going to keep this list alive if it is filled with Business Sensibilities too.
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
If we do not see the benefit of contributing to a server for OURSELVES why would anyone else pump money into Skunkworks? We need to lead from in front to get credibility
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com> wrote:
A bank account & corporate donations.
_______________________________________________
Skunkworks mailing list
Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke
http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks
------------
Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f...
------------
Skunkworks Rules
http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94
------------
Other services @ http://my.co.ke
Other lists
-------------
Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce
Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science
kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
-- If you can't remedy the situation create a better one.
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke
http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f...
------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------
Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce
Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science
kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
_______________________________________________
Skunkworks mailing list
Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke
http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks
------------
Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f...
------------
Skunkworks Rules
http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94
------------
Other services @ http://my.co.ke
Other lists
-------------
Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce
Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science
kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
-- Sent from my Voice Recognition Watch�
-------------------------------------------------------------------- God is not an excuse for lack of discipline -------------------------------------------------------------------- Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate,but that we are powerful beyond measure.It is our light, not our darkness, that frightens us.There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you.As we let our own light shine, we consciously give other people permission to do the same.
As we are liberated from our fear,our presence automatically liberates others.
-----Inline Attachment Follows-----
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
-- ��ࡱ�
Corporate donations?? He who pays the piper calls the tunes. Won't this affect neutrality where anyone and every company have equal scrutiny? David On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com> wrote:
A bank account & corporate donations.
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
No one seems to be answering my question. What benefits are there to registering?
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
-- [Asentric Consulting Ltd] If a man has in himself the soul of a slave will he not become one no matter what his birth .... -Richest Man in Babylon
Rahim, That was one of the first things I suggested when I joined Skunkworks 3-4 years back. A few supported, most didn't coz skunks were paranoid that Skunkworks would turn into some elite society of people. 2 Years back I made same suggestion, the earth or rather the list didn't seem moved. Someone else circa that time made same suggestion but ... I believe the guys who didn't want a formal skunksworks had a point (and probably their point still holds). So a middle ground was reached whereby the list would be a place to meet and guys who want to work on something or form something formal would do it on the side, AKA Mpango Wa Kando! So, I guess Skunk(ette)s are the original creators of Mpango Wa Kando, too bad we are too techie and forgot to patent that! 8~) --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Rahim Kara <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote: From: Rahim Kara <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Skunkworks Kenya To: "Skunkworks Forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 9:50 AM @Clement Well, these are agencies and Associations. As a Tech Forum, is there any other way of being registered sort of as a recognizable body? Clement Ongera wrote: @Rahim An official body...meaning the likes of TESPOK, KIF, KEMSA etc etc? I believe its possible but it will take time...lots of time. We will need a structure of some sort, officials, CASH, Office..... etc etc... I'd rather it be as it is, we do things our 'legal' way. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
@wesley what was your argument with relation to registering? and i'm backing you all the way so bring out the big guns! @all i'm looking at this from a perspective of professional / expansion. Consider the following. 1. In the near future, there is to be a decision related to IT which requires a body to work with in Kenya. Skunkworks is a great idea however it needs to be registered. The registration process takes X amount of time and by then, we've already been hijacked by someone else. 2. Skunkworks holds some of the greatest minds in Kenya that i can think of. We are a conglomerate of the change we perceive yet choose to do nothing about it. Our ideas can alter the face of our country, NAY! our Region as a whole and yet, we won't be heard. And why not? because we're just a crowd right now. a well organized one at that but still just a crowd. 3. If you have an apple ( the fruit ) and call it an apple, will it sell more if you called it something else like Juicy Wild Apple? The branding situation holds a great deal of promise, there can be more we can do with Kenyan IT and Information as a whole, i've ranted about something similar in the past when the replicator was a suggestion i had. Granted, we don't have the facilities to work on it but we have the brains. I got some people online who btw are actually working toward helping with it whether it works or not. Let's not sit back and watch the world pass by. I'm going to fight this one through and lets get it done. I want to know why we shouldn't register, i've also requested legal counsel from a few people who should be in a position to give me distinct categories of what we can register under. Responses people. wesley kirinya wrote:
Rahim,
That was one of the first things I suggested when I joined Skunkworks 3-4 years back. A few supported, most didn't coz skunks were paranoid that Skunkworks would turn into some elite society of people.
2 Years back I made same suggestion, the earth or rather the list didn't seem moved. Someone else circa that time made same suggestion but ...
I believe the guys who didn't want a formal skunksworks had a point (and probably their point still holds). So a middle ground was reached whereby the list would be a place to meet and guys who want to work on something or form something formal would do it on the side, AKA Mpango Wa Kando! So, I guess Skunk(ette)s are the original creators of Mpango Wa Kando, too bad we are too techie and forgot to patent that!
8~)
--- On *Tue, 2/16/10, Rahim Kara /<skunkingrahim@gmail.com>/* wrote:
From: Rahim Kara <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Skunkworks Kenya To: "Skunkworks Forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 9:50 AM
@Clement Well, these are agencies and Associations. As a Tech Forum, is there any other way of being registered sort of as a recognizable body?
Clement Ongera wrote:
@Rahim An official body...meaning the likes of TESPOK, KIF, KEMSA etc etc? I believe its possible but it will take time...lots of time. We will need a structure of some sort, officials, CASH, Office..... etc etc... I'd rather it be as it is, we do things our 'legal' way.
-----Inline Attachment Follows-----
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[ Brainiac ] -
Brian Longwe -
Clement Ongera -
David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd -
Dennis Kioko -
Jacob Odada -
James Kagwe -
Joram Mwinamo -
Kariuki Martin -
maina -
matere lusitche -
McTim -
Murigi Muraya -
Okechukwu -
Peter Karunyu -
Phares Kariuki -
Rad! -
Rahim Kara -
wesley kirinya