Re: [Skunkworks] KNEC giving candidates, parents a raw deal
The solutions exists. I briefly listened to a panel on KTN/NTV the morning the results were being released and they seemed to have the solutions. The panel was composed of education experts and people who have researched (and written papers) in the problems plaguing our educational system. The panel said the issue is implementation. If we start going into this implementation issue we will open a can of worms. We would have to start another mail list for education issues! --- On Sun, 1/3/10, DAI <svarrer@digitalageinstitute.com> wrote: From: DAI <svarrer@digitalageinstitute.com> Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Re: [kictanet] KNEC giving candidates, parents a raw deal To: bitange@jambo.co.ke, "wesley kirinya" <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com> Cc: "Skunk Works" <skunkworks@my.co.ke>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>, "ke-users" <ke-internetusers@bdix.net> Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 3:04 PM Dear Dr. Ndemo, Wesley, Skunk Works and all, We will take up this topic in our January issue 2010 of Digital Age Journal. Our theme is Career, and since the career for almost 100% of humans starts in primary school, I would appreciate if you and others could maybe start analyzing the problem - just right here - then we could maybe have a meeting discussing what we shall do. I am so much in agreement with the statement that citizens complain too much. We as citizens and business owners in Kenya shall promote, strengthen, propose solutions, and put our beard in the drawer together with our own proposals !! I mean - we shall propose solutions, but we shall then also back up our own solutions with action. Churchill said this very clearly: Ask not what the country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country... We shall promote, support, backup our governments positive efforts, instead of electing the wrong politicians and then complain when it goes all wrong. I have a profound attitude in life that if you are dissatisfied with something, then of course you should mention it, but never without taking responsibility for implementing a solution. There is always a way !! If you for some reason end up working with someone who cannot see further than to their own pocket - then just drop working with them... There will always be someone you can work with, who see the light - or whom even are the candle-holders themselves. Look at it from this side here: Yes, there is corruption in Kenya. But darn. There is corruption everywhere in the world. I am from Denmark, one of the so called least corrupt nations. Let me tell you - there is corruption there too !! It has just been hidden much better - thats all. In stead of dwelling on that maybe 20% of your tax revenue goes to corruption - then dwell on that 80% then goes to the right things !!!!! I propose that you send me an e-mail with your name and mobile. Send it to: primaryIT@digitalageinstitute.com and sign up for a meeting where we are going to discuss and take the Primary School Education - focused on IT - a step further - and take up that debate. If the contributions are serious, we will print a multi page article about this in our January issue !! I would expect to call the meeting to order on January 18th, 2010 on our location. Write about what you want to contribute with on the meeting. Kind regards Digital Age Institute Ltd. David Svarrer ----- Original Message ----- From: bitange@jambo.co.ke To: wesley kirinya Cc: Skunk Works ; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions ; ke-users Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Re: [kictanet] KNEC giving candidates, parents a raw deal Dear Wesley, No one should fail an exam because we have nowhere to take them if they passed. Already we have B grade students who are not getting into Universiry. Every year we get similar concerns but no one has ever asked if indeed we need KCPE exams. To date I do not know the objective of this exam. If our promlem just like everybody else is literacy, then we only need the KCSE exams. The assumption here is that by the time someone sits for KCSE, they would be literate and mature enough to consider options. At KCPE level, I am afraid we keep on increasing our illiteracy levels the moment 250,000 fail to proceed further. In my view we all have failed to analyse this problem objectively. Media keeps on reporting but not analysing the problems. Citizens continue to complain and not making proposals to the Government. The KNUT, parents, politicians have subjected the Ministry into crisis mode instead of reforming the sector. KNUT knows that at least one third of teacheers in Primary Public Schools cannot pass or did not pass KCPE. Then we ask why Private Schools perform better? Ndemo.
I'm concerned about the hundreds of thousands of students that will miss high school. Last year 250,000 missed it. Over a five year period, this adds up to more than a million, in a country whose population is about 40
million!
Out of those who go to high school, only a handful
end up in university.
Someone should do a sturdy on the loss to our economy. The government spends lots on money to educate 250,000 people annually who will not get to high school. With our current systems, most of these 250,000 will not get descent employment/stable sources of income. Most of them come from rural areas, which are the areas that need serious development and skilled man-power to drive the development. If I opened a branch of my company in some rural area of Kenya, who will I employ? Even if I employ some people, they would be threatened by the Mungiki-types (children who join gangs in order to extort money)
We need every child in Kenya, willing to go to school, to be able to archieve at least Diploma level. Without that, we should forget vision 2030 and competing with India and other Asian countries! The Chinese will continue building our roads, as Kenyans sweep them with brooms, not even specialized machines!
I would like to bring in a different perspective as to the low
performance, which someone mentioned as seriously wrong. What would happen
if most students passed their exams, especially now with record numbers enrolling in schools? Where will they go? You would have students with B grades missing high school. That would be a great embrassment to goverment.
If money is available to buy fleets of new cars (which dont really add to our GDP), surely there should be money for better quality of education for our children (which definately adds to our GDP).
This is a national disaster.
O~(
--- On Wed, 12/30/09, Akich Kwach <kwach@archway-productions.com> wrote:
From: Akich Kwach <kwach@archway-productions.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] KNEC giving candidates, parents a raw deal
To: kiriinya2000@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 9:39 AM
Gentlemen,
Thanks for sharing your concerns. I would agree with MM and Zachary
because KNEC ought to have known every candidate and parents would be
interested in getting their results at the earliest hour and should have
tested the system's capacity ahead of time. It is sad upto this hour, I spent on SMS three times and no reply yet. If such trends continue, the ICT investments might just be a wate of public funds and citizens might lose faith in the so called e-Govt. I would humbly request the PS, Dr Bitange and the ICT Board to intervene and find out what transpired at the KNEC system.
For the parents who had 2009 candidates, I am concerned with the general national perfomance taking into account that subjects such as SST where
candidates usually score high marks recorded poor performance, something
is not right somewhere.
WISHING YOU A HAPPY 2010
Akich Kwach
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Thanks barrack For the candidate and their family they interacted with the ict system and the interface was the sms and the web. We should not hide behind huge traffic because the phenomena and the time is known and the implications. Another terrible failure is that i and many thousands kenyans paid upfront to the ict system for a service that was not delivered
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Zachary This was the
great opportunity for the ict system to prove its value to
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society. It failed miserably to just serve less than 1 percent of the population and had to walk to schools. Zain however stood tall and 2228 worked.
Subject: Re: [kictanet] KNEC giving candidates, parents a raw deal Author: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>
Date: 29th December 2009 12:51
MM,
I guess it's a bit premature to blame the System,
the problem stems from
how the whole announcement was managed, it was improper for the Ministers handlers to say the results would be available on the site immediately
after
the speech, with the anxiety that had been going on i'm sure even the best servers might not have handled the hits, no wonder the systems were unable to cope, however this serves as a lesson to KNEC, i am sure they will do better in
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Subject: [kictanet] KNEC giving candidates, parents a raw deal Author: Zachary Ochieng <zzachmbir@yahoo.com>
Date: 29th December 2009 09:59
Despite the digitisation of exam results by the Kenya National
Examinations Council (KNEC) and the Ministry of Education, the platform
doesn't seem to be working. My daughter is one of the candidates who sat KCPE in November 2009. But more than two hours after the release of the results by Education minister Sam Ongeri, the KNEC website from where
the
candidates are supposed to check their results remains down. Worse still, the 2228 no. to which candidates should text their index numbers to get results is also not working but continues to consume airtime to the tune of Ksh 20 per SMS. If this is not a rip off, then I don't know the definition, coming as it does at a time when the ministry is reeling from a theft
scandal.
One wonders what else the ministry
could be hiding. While announcing
the top candidates, Ongeri never mentioned the names of their schools. But it is anyone's guess that majority of them are from private schools. Rather than bash the media as he did during the release of the results, Ongeri
should
tell us what is bedevilling FPE.
Can someone please help? MY daughter has refused to take lunch until she gets her results.
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Actually, John F Kennedy (JFK) said that - but the point stands, actions speak louder than words. :) Erik Hersman On Jan 4, 2010, at 9:35 AM, wesley kirinya wrote:
Churchill said this very clearly:
Ask not what the country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country...
True that! And 60's hippies perverted it further to "Ask not what your country can do for you. Do it yourself," http://members.aye.net/~hippie/hippie/special_.htm On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Erik Hersman <erik@zungu.com> wrote:
Actually, John F Kennedy (JFK) said that - but the point stands, actions speak louder than words. :)
Erik Hersman
On Jan 4, 2010, at 9:35 AM, wesley kirinya wrote:
Churchill said this very clearly:
*Ask not what the country can do for you.* *Ask what you can do for your country...*
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