Re: [Skunkworks] Safaricom 1000 Bob Per Month Unlimited
Personally I would be one of the Bandwidth hogging culprits, On average a month I use up about 15 to 20 GB of bandwidth. I subscribe to some HD quality screen casts each is about 1GB and an hour long. I do ten to 15 a month. Since I am mostly working when my favorite programs are playing I opt sometimes to watch them at a more convenient time on hulu. Then there are the numerous podcasts I listen to while working or just relaxing at home. Then theres the normal email and web surfing (including posting data to websites, blogs etc) That in itself is about 3GB a month. With that kind of usage, I dont think there is any bundle that would suite me unless I change my online habits and thats why the fair use policy makes sense to me. Steve Obbayi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernard Mwagiru" <bmwagiru@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Saturday, October 2, 2010 6:14:31 PM GMT +03:00 Iraq Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Safaricom 1000 Bob Per Month Unlimited @Odhis, Orange Kenya you mean? I'm not sure they do....but considering the subscriber base, it may not be justified/obliged to do it. Fair usage is mostly applied by operators with large numbers of subscribers just to ensure a few individuals dont hog network resources....like what happened previously with safcom's unlimited offers ...it only took a few individuals to bring a network to its knees... Most Orange networks in other countries apply fair usage...i know there was one targeting specifically for iphone users in the US....some unlimited package for a month..and there's one in TeliaSonera targeting P2P protocols like bittorrent(although most p2p users prefer ADSL, for obvious reasons). Bernard On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com > wrote: Do you think Orange applies this on their users as well? On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Bernard Mwagiru < bmwagiru@gmail.com > wrote: @steve, Fair Use policy they call it... bernard On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Steve Obbayi < steve@sobbayi.com > wrote: My best guess about why these unlimited bundles have been fixed the way they have is to put a leash on those would be users who would abuse a true unlimited bundle by spending all day watching sites like www.hulu.com . Over here AT&T had to also change their unlimited policy from unlimited coz of iPhone users watching high volumes of video content and pushing the network to the limit. So for 999 with unlimited broadband the same problem would eventually occur. Steve Obbayi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Samuel Waithaka" < samwaithaka@gmail.com > To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > Sent: Saturday, October 2, 2010 5:05:21 PM GMT +03:00 Iraq Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Safaricom 1000 Bob Per Month Unlimited It might be important to understand where we're coming from. We've always been talking about the high expectations of internet costs coming down as a result of the fibre. So when this does not seem happen, we've been looking at the services with close scrutiny. Probably there dynamics that have hindered this from happening and I would not pretend to understand any of them. I think someone would probably agree with this - and many disagree. The service providers would seem to be the first ones on the receiving end in all this and it would be quite difficult to meet people's expectation in such an environment. That said, I think this is the point I also do agree with Joseph, whereby this scrutiny becomes suspicion; if I get exited that I have an unlimited offer that's appealing, and overlooked the details, (devil in the details...) which an average person does, I'll become disappointed. Would want to try and get into these 'dynamics' issue, and ask, whose contribution is it, and what needs to happen? How has it happened elsewhere? On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Timothy Makobu < makobu.mwambiriro@gmail.com > wrote: The first operator to offer TRUE unlimited 3G Internet, using bandwidth bundles instead of data bundles, something like 512Kb/s (64KB/s) at saaay .. Ksh 999 per month, will make many people smile. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co...ke -- Samuel Waithaka Techiepreneur | http://groups.to/techiepreneur http://www.linkedin.com/in/waithaka http://twitter.com/samwaithaka _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co..ke _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co..ke _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co..ke -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co..ke _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
I have always said that you cant have your cake and eat it. I guess its now dawning on everyone. On 10/2/10, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
Personally I would be one of the Bandwidth hogging culprits, On average a month I use up about 15 to 20 GB of bandwidth.
I subscribe to some HD quality screen casts each is about 1GB and an hour long. I do ten to 15 a month. Since I am mostly working when my favorite programs are playing I opt sometimes to watch them at a more convenient time on hulu. Then there are the numerous podcasts I listen to while working or just relaxing at home. Then theres the normal email and web surfing (including posting data to websites, blogs etc) That in itself is about 3GB a month.
With that kind of usage, I dont think there is any bundle that would suite me unless I change my online habits and thats why the fair use policy makes sense to me.
Steve Obbayi
----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernard Mwagiru" <bmwagiru@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Saturday, October 2, 2010 6:14:31 PM GMT +03:00 Iraq Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Safaricom 1000 Bob Per Month Unlimited
@Odhis, Orange Kenya you mean? I'm not sure they do....but considering the subscriber base, it may not be justified/obliged to do it. Fair usage is mostly applied by operators with large numbers of subscribers just to ensure a few individuals dont hog network resources....like what happened previously with safcom's unlimited offers ...it only took a few individuals to bring a network to its knees...
Most Orange networks in other countries apply fair usage...i know there was one targeting specifically for iphone users in the US....some unlimited package for a month..and there's one in TeliaSonera targeting P2P protocols like bittorrent(although most p2p users prefer ADSL, for obvious reasons).
Bernard
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com > wrote:
Do you think Orange applies this on their users as well?
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Bernard Mwagiru < bmwagiru@gmail.com > wrote:
@steve, Fair Use policy they call it...
bernard
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Steve Obbayi < steve@sobbayi.com > wrote:
My best guess about why these unlimited bundles have been fixed the way they have is to put a leash on those would be users who would abuse a true unlimited bundle by spending all day watching sites like www.hulu.com . Over here AT&T had to also change their unlimited policy from unlimited coz of iPhone users watching high volumes of video content and pushing the network to the limit. So for 999 with unlimited broadband the same problem would eventually occur.
Steve Obbayi
----- Original Message ----- From: "Samuel Waithaka" < samwaithaka@gmail.com > To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >
Sent: Saturday, October 2, 2010 5:05:21 PM GMT +03:00 Iraq Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Safaricom 1000 Bob Per Month Unlimited
It might be important to understand where we're coming from. We've always been talking about the high expectations of internet costs coming down as a result of the fibre. So when this does not seem happen, we've been looking at the services with close scrutiny.
Probably there dynamics that have hindered this from happening and I would not pretend to understand any of them. I think someone would probably agree with this - and many disagree.
The service providers would seem to be the first ones on the receiving end in all this and it would be quite difficult to meet people's expectation in such an environment.
That said, I think this is the point I also do agree with Joseph, whereby this scrutiny becomes suspicion; if I get exited that I have an unlimited offer that's appealing, and overlooked the details, (devil in the details...) which an average person does, I'll become disappointed.
Would want to try and get into these 'dynamics' issue, and ask, whose contribution is it, and what needs to happen? How has it happened elsewhere?
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Timothy Makobu < makobu.mwambiriro@gmail.com > wrote:
The first operator to offer TRUE unlimited 3G Internet, using bandwidth bundles instead of data bundles, something like 512Kb/s (64KB/s) at saaay .. Ksh 999 per month, will make many people smile.
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The unlimited bundle concept is new in Kenya but not new in developed markets. Other operators in other countries have always used it, much to the confusion of the consumers, as experienced here.Fair usage policy is the only way mobile operators can provide service to different classes of consumers....the higher the bundle cost the higher your quality of service. Bernard On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Anthony Lenya <tlensya@gmail.com> wrote:
I have always said that you cant have your cake and eat it.
I guess its now dawning on everyone.
On 10/2/10, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
Personally I would be one of the Bandwidth hogging culprits, On average a month I use up about 15 to 20 GB of bandwidth.
I subscribe to some HD quality screen casts each is about 1GB and an hour long. I do ten to 15 a month. Since I am mostly working when my favorite programs are playing I opt sometimes to watch them at a more convenient time on hulu. Then there are the numerous podcasts I listen to while working or just relaxing at home. Then theres the normal email and web surfing (including posting data to websites, blogs etc) That in itself is about 3GB a month.
With that kind of usage, I dont think there is any bundle that would suite me unless I change my online habits and thats why the fair use policy makes sense to me.
Steve Obbayi
----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernard Mwagiru" <bmwagiru@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Saturday, October 2, 2010 6:14:31 PM GMT +03:00 Iraq Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Safaricom 1000 Bob Per Month Unlimited
@Odhis, Orange Kenya you mean? I'm not sure they do....but considering the subscriber base, it may not be justified/obliged to do it. Fair usage is mostly applied by operators with large numbers of subscribers just to ensure a few individuals dont hog network resources....like what happened previously with safcom's unlimited offers ...it only took a few individuals to bring a network to its knees...
Most Orange networks in other countries apply fair usage...i know there was one targeting specifically for iphone users in the US....some unlimited package for a month..and there's one in TeliaSonera targeting P2P protocols like bittorrent(although most p2p users prefer ADSL, for obvious reasons).
Bernard
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you think Orange applies this on their users as well?
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Bernard Mwagiru < bmwagiru@gmail.com > wrote:
@steve, Fair Use policy they call it...
bernard
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Steve Obbayi < steve@sobbayi.com > wrote:
My best guess about why these unlimited bundles have been fixed the way they have is to put a leash on those would be users who would abuse a true unlimited bundle by spending all day watching sites like www.hulu.com . Over here AT&T had to also change their unlimited policy from unlimited coz of iPhone users watching high volumes of video content and pushing the network to the limit. So for 999 with unlimited broadband the same problem would eventually occur.
Steve Obbayi
----- Original Message ----- From: "Samuel Waithaka" < samwaithaka@gmail.com > To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >
Sent: Saturday, October 2, 2010 5:05:21 PM GMT +03:00 Iraq Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Safaricom 1000 Bob Per Month Unlimited
It might be important to understand where we're coming from. We've always been talking about the high expectations of internet costs coming down as a result of the fibre. So when this does not seem happen, we've been looking at the services with close scrutiny.
Probably there dynamics that have hindered this from happening and I would not pretend to understand any of them. I think someone would probably agree with this - and many disagree.
The service providers would seem to be the first ones on the receiving end in all this and it would be quite difficult to meet people's expectation in such an environment.
That said, I think this is the point I also do agree with Joseph, whereby this scrutiny becomes suspicion; if I get exited that I have an unlimited offer that's appealing, and overlooked the details, (devil in the details...) which an average person does, I'll become disappointed.
Would want to try and get into these 'dynamics' issue, and ask, whose contribution is it, and what needs to happen? How has it happened elsewhere?
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Timothy Makobu < makobu.mwambiriro@gmail.com > wrote:
The first operator to offer TRUE unlimited 3G Internet, using bandwidth bundles instead of data bundles, something like 512Kb/s (64KB/s) at saaay .. Ksh 999 per month, will make many people smile.
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On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
The unlimited bundle concept is new in Kenya but not new in developed markets. Other operators in other countries have always used it, much to the confusion of the consumers, as experienced here.Fair usage policy is the only way mobile operators can provide service to different classes of consumers....the higher the bundle cost the higher your quality of service.
Real confusion! That's why I now find Orange EvDO cheaper (KES 850 gives me 1GB data bundle as opposed to 2,499) and they still haven't started confusing the lot ... -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
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