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If we do and it seems to me there is a big story to be told about the Seacom aftermath , my points to you are these : - Take it from me, there is nothing like " it takes time ". Networks simply do not operate in this manner. Contact Seacom office and find out how long does it take to connect a provider. Contact the national fiber operator eg TKL, KDN and see how long it takes to deliver the connection from mombasa to say Nairobi. The assumption is that Seacom would already have notified providers, fiber operators of its intended launch date ( including earlier tests ). So all network operators, providers must have been aware atleast 14 days prior to date of launch. Network operators, service providers do not need any special interface equipment to terminate into Seacom network. The chain of connections is as follows : *Seacom station : National Fiber operator : Network Operator : Service provider : End User*. So a service provider like an ISP does not need to lay their own network to mombasa. - Service providers, network operators must be queried as to why they have not switched over. - Do a survey of public cyber operators and see what they have been told about the fiber and its service availability? Most of them I assume are on TKL connections. I've putting this info on this list for anyone to take it deeper. Sorry, the gravity of this event cannot cannot be left to speculations and assumptions. facts would correct everything. Over and Out!
meanwhile..... President Obama joked that if he ever tried to “jimmy the lock” at his current address — the White House — “I’d get shot.” The digression drew laughter from journalists who until then had peppered him with questions about healthcare and the economy. http://www.nation.co.ke/InDepth/-/490068/628820/-/item/1/-/vue4hg/-/index.ht... you see,, we don't have any Internet crisis - good old satellites are working just fine:-) Alex On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 8:27 AM, aki<aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
If we do and it seems to me there is a big story to be told about the Seacom aftermath , my points to you are these :
- Take it from me, there is nothing like " it takes time ". Networks simply do not operate in this manner. Contact Seacom office and find out how long does it take to connect a provider. Contact the national fiber operator eg TKL, KDN and see how long it takes to deliver the connection from mombasa to say Nairobi. The assumption is that Seacom would already have notified providers, fiber operators of its intended launch date ( including earlier tests ). So all network operators, providers must have been aware atleast 14 days prior to date of launch. Network operators, service providers do not need any special interface equipment to terminate into Seacom network. The chain of connections is as follows : Seacom station : National Fiber operator : Network Operator : Service provider : End User. So a service provider like an ISP does not need to lay their own network to mombasa.
- Service providers, network operators must be queried as to why they have not switched over.
- Do a survey of public cyber operators and see what they have been told about the fiber and its service availability? Most of them I assume are on TKL connections.
I've putting this info on this list for anyone to take it deeper. Sorry, the gravity of this event cannot cannot be left to speculations and assumptions. facts would correct everything.
Over and Out!
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@ Aki.. It may be a big deal that fiber is finally here, but.. i think stability is never achieved the day of the launch. It takes time to iron out technical/operational/other issues that may not have been foreseen, especially with the live network. All the testing in this world can be done, but whenever something goes live, it will experience glitches for the first few days/weeks/months. I wont be surprised if it does. For a service provide not to switch to seacom simply because it is live - that is not a crime. For all i know, most service providers have spent alot of money on TEAMS, i suspect that SEACOM will be used to provide redundancy. In any case, they will still have some few months of contract with the satellite providers. It will come, obviously, but dont be impatient, or complain from day one. My thoughts, Tito 2009/7/24 aki <aki275@googlemail.com>
If we do and it seems to me there is a big story to be told about the Seacom aftermath , my points to you are these :
- Take it from me, there is nothing like " it takes time ". Networks simply do not operate in this manner. Contact Seacom office and find out how long does it take to connect a provider. Contact the national fiber operator eg TKL, KDN and see how long it takes to deliver the connection from mombasa to say Nairobi. The assumption is that Seacom would already have notified providers, fiber operators of its intended launch date ( including earlier tests ). So all network operators, providers must have been aware atleast 14 days prior to date of launch. Network operators, service providers do not need any special interface equipment to terminate into Seacom network. The chain of connections is as follows : *Seacom station : National Fiber operator : Network Operator : Service provider : End User*. So a service provider like an ISP does not need to lay their own network to mombasa.
- Service providers, network operators must be queried as to why they have not switched over.
- Do a survey of public cyber operators and see what they have been told about the fiber and its service availability? Most of them I assume are on TKL connections.
I've putting this info on this list for anyone to take it deeper. Sorry, the gravity of this event cannot cannot be left to speculations and assumptions. facts would correct everything.
Over and Out!
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@Tito :-) I agree that teams could be a reason why the issue happened. Technically, there is no reason for the service not to be available as of yesterday. Clearly the entire telcom industry has shown a monopolistic outlook towards kenyans by dictating what can and cannot happen. Kenyans who allow them to make profits and operate businesses. So I personally see no need to get on the broadband platforms for upto 1 year. Which means, I hope to ban all providers for 12 months and stay on edge sim cards. I banned safcom 5 months ago and never looked back.
I am saving this statement ... ;) So - EDGE - nothing more, yes ? we shall be watching ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "aki" <aki275@googlemail.com> To: "Skunkworks forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 2:22:13 PM GMT +03:00 Iraq Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] If we have any Business Daily writer on the list @Tito :-) I agree that teams could be a reason why the issue happened. Technically, there is no reason for the service not to be available as of yesterday. Clearly the entire telcom industry has shown a monopolistic outlook towards kenyans by dictating what can and cannot happen. Kenyans who allow them to make profits and operate businesses. So I personally see no need to get on the broadband platforms for upto 1 year. Which means, I hope to ban all providers for 12 months and stay on edge sim cards. I banned safcom 5 months ago and never looked back. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
LOL! @Riyaz, you are all good guys, trust me when I say this. Safcom can go upto 8Mbit today, I'd still not touch it unless they resolve certain issues. ( my opinion, others should not follow ). I'm fine with edge, it serves my purpose. On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Riyaz Bachani < riyaz.bachani@ke.wananchi.com> wrote:
I am saving this statement ... ;) So - EDGE - nothing more, yes ? we shall be watching !
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Njoroge Tito <titonjoroge@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Aki..
It may be a big deal that fiber is finally here, but.. i think stability is never achieved the day of the launch. It takes time to iron out technical/operational/other issues that may not have been foreseen, especially with the live network.
@Tito, Sorry but I have to ask this: What is it that the operators had to learn on the day the cable was switched on that they did not learn during the numerous training sessions they attended? Did they not already know how to connect the equipment? How to route the traffic? While I do agree with Riyaz that it was a :meda launch:, I, just like Aki, still fail to understand why operators did not go live. I should have thought that it would be something like "guys, tomorrow we terminate services with Teleglobe and switch to NewSkies". I have seen that done several times before. Why couldn't they do this for the fiber? Wasn't it just another "change of provider", if I may ask? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
@ Wash.. The realist in me says that nothing works perfectly as expected, no matter how well you prepare for it. Ask any developer, any network designer, anybody who does the configurations.. very few things work as expected from day one. It is a learning process. There will come a situation, a glitch,and Murphys law. Imagine you were to terminate that contract with Teleglobe/newskies last month, because seacom was to go live then. Then Teleglobe/newskies tell you that they can give you contract for a minimum of 3/6/12 months.. really? Anyway, all that said - i would still have expected most operators who have bought capacity on seacom to have been testing it since last week. Am not excusing that they have not turned it on. They ought to have done that, if they bought capacity. All am saying is that you shouldnt expect a stable reliable superfast connection on the fiber from day one. Tito. 2009/7/24 Odhiambo ワシントン <odhiambo@gmail.com>
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Njoroge Tito <titonjoroge@gmail.com>wrote:
@ Aki..
It may be a big deal that fiber is finally here, but.. i think stability is never achieved the day of the launch. It takes time to iron out technical/operational/other issues that may not have been foreseen, especially with the live network.
@Tito,
Sorry but I have to ask this: What is it that the operators had to learn on the day the cable was switched on that they did not learn during the numerous training sessions they attended? Did they not already know how to connect the equipment? How to route the traffic? While I do agree with Riyaz that it was a :meda launch:, I, just like Aki, still fail to understand why operators did not go live. I should have thought that it would be something like "guys, tomorrow we terminate services with Teleglobe and switch to NewSkies". I have seen that done several times before. Why couldn't they do this for the fiber? Wasn't it just another "change of provider", if I may ask?
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
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