This weekend I was excited chating with someone from an International Tech company about the new opportunities in Konza Silicon Savannah. He however asked me a question that got me thinking. If you were to go set up a campus today in Konza where would you start. What he was saying is that the government should have first put up the infrstructure i.e roads, water, sewage connectivity and then invited investors to come in otherwise it is a piped dream. In other words, by the time Kibaki was breaking ground all these needed to have been in place. What are your thoughts, how can this be made to work quickly.
Kevin, Rome was not built in a day, if you sat through the meeting and listened to every presentation, you would have a better answer, rather than giving opinions, it is better to get the right information which is readily available, the head of state said there are those who will not beleive it and see it just like there were many pessimists when free primary education was launched this is a key vision 2030 project and it will come to be just like the Thika Road Super Highway, you may have noticed on the ground that efforts were underway to build infrastructure, including the Railway line and provide water. My 2 cents On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Kevin Omondi <kevin.ouma@gmail.com> wrote:
This weekend I was excited chating with someone from an International Tech company about the new opportunities in Konza Silicon Savannah.
He however asked me a question that got me thinking.
If you were to go set up a campus today in Konza where would you start. What he was saying is that the government should have first put up the infrstructure i.e roads, water, sewage connectivity and then invited investors to come in otherwise it is a piped dream.
In other words, by the time Kibaki was breaking ground all these needed to have been in place.
What are your thoughts, how can this be made to work quickly.
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Many seem to believe the sentiments you have listed but i think it comes more from our distrust for the government(and impending elections) than the fact that a city can be built from scratch. I have had this argument with many who say that Konza will be a white elephant. what they however need to study is how similar projects have been done around the world from south korea(8 smart cities) ,to malaysia,to singapore , to china and closer to home egypt. what the government is saying in short is "Nairobi is already messed up beyond repair, we are giving you a chance to invest in an ideal city and giving you incentives to do the same" .they are saying this to both locals and internationals. Internationals seem to be listening more. As with anything else I could be wrong but if im right, a lot of people will be kicking themselves in the foot in 2017 for not going in, and if im wrong, well.....life goes on and a few very rich organisations lose a small part of their investment. i believe the former will be the case. On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Kevin Omondi <kevin.ouma@gmail.com> wrote:
This weekend I was excited chating with someone from an International Tech company about the new opportunities in Konza Silicon Savannah.
He however asked me a question that got me thinking.
If you were to go set up a campus today in Konza where would you start. What he was saying is that the government should have first put up the infrstructure i.e roads, water, sewage connectivity and then invited investors to come in otherwise it is a piped dream.
In other words, by the time Kibaki was breaking ground all these needed to have been in place.
What are your thoughts, how can this be made to work quickly.
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My two cents are; if you build roads before buildings you will not have any roads by the time buildings are constructed. The heavy construction machinery will destroy the roads. On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
Many seem to believe the sentiments you have listed but i think it comes more from our distrust for the government(and impending elections) than the fact that a city can be built from scratch. I have had this argument with many who say that Konza will be a white elephant. what they however need to study is how similar projects have been done around the world from south korea(8 smart cities) ,to malaysia,to singapore , to china and closer to home egypt.
what the government is saying in short is "Nairobi is already messed up beyond repair, we are giving you a chance to invest in an ideal city and giving you incentives to do the same" .they are saying this to both locals and internationals. Internationals seem to be listening more.
As with anything else I could be wrong but if im right, a lot of people will be kicking themselves in the foot in 2017 for not going in, and if im wrong, well.....life goes on and a few very rich organisations lose a small part of their investment. i believe the former will be the case.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Kevin Omondi <kevin.ouma@gmail.com>wrote:
This weekend I was excited chating with someone from an International Tech company about the new opportunities in Konza Silicon Savannah.
He however asked me a question that got me thinking.
If you were to go set up a campus today in Konza where would you start. What he was saying is that the government should have first put up the infrstructure i.e roads, water, sewage connectivity and then invited investors to come in otherwise it is a piped dream.
In other words, by the time Kibaki was breaking ground all these needed to have been in place.
What are your thoughts, how can this be made to work quickly.
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Catch 22?? You need roads in order to build the buildings, BUT the building of the buildings will destroy the roads [?] On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:49 PM, David Njuguna <dnjuguna@gmail.com> wrote:
My two cents are; if you build roads before buildings you will not have any roads by the time buildings are constructed. The heavy construction machinery will destroy the roads.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
Many seem to believe the sentiments you have listed but i think it comes more from our distrust for the government(and impending elections) than the fact that a city can be built from scratch. I have had this argument with many who say that Konza will be a white elephant. what they however need to study is how similar projects have been done around the world from south korea(8 smart cities) ,to malaysia,to singapore , to china and closer to home egypt.
what the government is saying in short is "Nairobi is already messed up beyond repair, we are giving you a chance to invest in an ideal city and giving you incentives to do the same" .they are saying this to both locals and internationals. Internationals seem to be listening more.
As with anything else I could be wrong but if im right, a lot of people will be kicking themselves in the foot in 2017 for not going in, and if im wrong, well.....life goes on and a few very rich organisations lose a small part of their investment. i believe the former will be the case.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Kevin Omondi <kevin.ouma@gmail.com>wrote:
This weekend I was excited chating with someone from an International Tech company about the new opportunities in Konza Silicon Savannah.
He however asked me a question that got me thinking.
If you were to go set up a campus today in Konza where would you start. What he was saying is that the government should have first put up the infrstructure i.e roads, water, sewage connectivity and then invited investors to come in otherwise it is a piped dream.
In other words, by the time Kibaki was breaking ground all these needed to have been in place.
What are your thoughts, how can this be made to work quickly.
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I doubt the government has given up on Nairobi. For starters Konza City's size is a small fraction of Nairobi. @Brian, you do not need proper roads to construct buildings. I have seen some of the so called 'serviced' plots in Nairobi that have roads, street lights and water before the start of homes construction. By the time the estate is half constructed the tarmac roads are long gone. On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
Catch 22??
You need roads in order to build the buildings, BUT the building of the buildings will destroy the roads [?]
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:49 PM, David Njuguna <dnjuguna@gmail.com> wrote:
My two cents are; if you build roads before buildings you will not have any roads by the time buildings are constructed. The heavy construction machinery will destroy the roads.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
Many seem to believe the sentiments you have listed but i think it comes more from our distrust for the government(and impending elections) than the fact that a city can be built from scratch. I have had this argument with many who say that Konza will be a white elephant. what they however need to study is how similar projects have been done around the world from south korea(8 smart cities) ,to malaysia,to singapore , to china and closer to home egypt.
what the government is saying in short is "Nairobi is already messed up beyond repair, we are giving you a chance to invest in an ideal city and giving you incentives to do the same" .they are saying this to both locals and internationals. Internationals seem to be listening more.
As with anything else I could be wrong but if im right, a lot of people will be kicking themselves in the foot in 2017 for not going in, and if im wrong, well.....life goes on and a few very rich organisations lose a small part of their investment. i believe the former will be the case.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Kevin Omondi <kevin.ouma@gmail.com>wrote:
This weekend I was excited chating with someone from an International Tech company about the new opportunities in Konza Silicon Savannah.
He however asked me a question that got me thinking.
If you were to go set up a campus today in Konza where would you start. What he was saying is that the government should have first put up the infrstructure i.e roads, water, sewage connectivity and then invited investors to come in otherwise it is a piped dream.
In other words, by the time Kibaki was breaking ground all these needed to have been in place.
What are your thoughts, how can this be made to work quickly.
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I also don't get the resistance to building a new city as opposed to panel beating the current one. The way I understand city growths and the planners role in them is that a master plan developed for a period needs to be followed lest other plans for the countries economy fail. The reason I say it is not feasible to insist on fixing Nairobi is because we have options and relocating the populations of Githurai, Kibera and other unplanned neighborhoods will cost more whether in terms of social peace, lost investment or political conflict. We can always attempt to roll back the snowball effect of the past regimes or stop it in its tracks by focussing on another slope. Nairobi will not whither as a result but probably grow bigger and swallow up Konza eventually. Why not build new? Set a standard that can be copied countrywide? Meanwhile fix Nairobi as is apparently the best thing to do. On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:37 PM, David Njuguna <dnjuguna@gmail.com> wrote:
I doubt the government has given up on Nairobi. For starters Konza City's size is a small fraction of Nairobi.
@Brian, you do not need proper roads to construct buildings. I have seen some of the so called 'serviced' plots in Nairobi that have roads, street lights and water before the start of homes construction. By the time the estate is half constructed the tarmac roads are long gone.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
Catch 22??
You need roads in order to build the buildings, BUT the building of the buildings will destroy the roads [?]
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:49 PM, David Njuguna <dnjuguna@gmail.com>wrote:
My two cents are; if you build roads before buildings you will not have any roads by the time buildings are constructed. The heavy construction machinery will destroy the roads.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
Many seem to believe the sentiments you have listed but i think it comes more from our distrust for the government(and impending elections) than the fact that a city can be built from scratch. I have had this argument with many who say that Konza will be a white elephant. what they however need to study is how similar projects have been done around the world from south korea(8 smart cities) ,to malaysia,to singapore , to china and closer to home egypt.
what the government is saying in short is "Nairobi is already messed up beyond repair, we are giving you a chance to invest in an ideal city and giving you incentives to do the same" .they are saying this to both locals and internationals. Internationals seem to be listening more.
As with anything else I could be wrong but if im right, a lot of people will be kicking themselves in the foot in 2017 for not going in, and if im wrong, well.....life goes on and a few very rich organisations lose a small part of their investment. i believe the former will be the case.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Kevin Omondi <kevin.ouma@gmail.com>wrote:
This weekend I was excited chating with someone from an International Tech company about the new opportunities in Konza Silicon Savannah.
He however asked me a question that got me thinking.
If you were to go set up a campus today in Konza where would you start. What he was saying is that the government should have first put up the infrstructure i.e roads, water, sewage connectivity and then invited investors to come in otherwise it is a piped dream.
In other words, by the time Kibaki was breaking ground all these needed to have been in place.
What are your thoughts, how can this be made to work quickly.
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Funny enough at the time of ground breaking there were some boreholes already sunk. As a city there is plans to build thwake(so i heard) dam which will be a reservoir for the city. standard gauge rail will also be adopted in the country. They had all this thing they talked about even they have a development board to oversee konza.... I guess we wait to be proved wrong. R, T21 On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I also don't get the resistance to building a new city as opposed to panel beating the current one.
The way I understand city growths and the planners role in them is that a master plan developed for a period needs to be followed lest other plans for the countries economy fail.
The reason I say it is not feasible to insist on fixing Nairobi is because we have options and relocating the populations of Githurai, Kibera and other unplanned neighborhoods will cost more whether in terms of social peace, lost investment or political conflict. We can always attempt to roll back the snowball effect of the past regimes or stop it in its tracks by focussing on another slope. Nairobi will not whither as a result but probably grow bigger and swallow up Konza eventually.
Why not build new? Set a standard that can be copied countrywide?
Meanwhile fix Nairobi as is apparently the best thing to do.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:37 PM, David Njuguna <dnjuguna@gmail.com> wrote:
I doubt the government has given up on Nairobi. For starters Konza City's size is a small fraction of Nairobi.
@Brian, you do not need proper roads to construct buildings. I have seen some of the so called 'serviced' plots in Nairobi that have roads, street lights and water before the start of homes construction. By the time the estate is half constructed the tarmac roads are long gone.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
Catch 22??
You need roads in order to build the buildings, BUT the building of the buildings will destroy the roads [?]
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:49 PM, David Njuguna <dnjuguna@gmail.com>wrote:
My two cents are; if you build roads before buildings you will not have any roads by the time buildings are constructed. The heavy construction machinery will destroy the roads.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com
wrote:
Many seem to believe the sentiments you have listed but i think it comes more from our distrust for the government(and impending elections) than the fact that a city can be built from scratch. I have had this argument with many who say that Konza will be a white elephant. what they however need to study is how similar projects have been done around the world from south korea(8 smart cities) ,to malaysia,to singapore , to china and closer to home egypt.
what the government is saying in short is "Nairobi is already messed up beyond repair, we are giving you a chance to invest in an ideal city and giving you incentives to do the same" .they are saying this to both locals and internationals. Internationals seem to be listening more.
As with anything else I could be wrong but if im right, a lot of people will be kicking themselves in the foot in 2017 for not going in, and if im wrong, well.....life goes on and a few very rich organisations lose a small part of their investment. i believe the former will be the case.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Kevin Omondi <kevin.ouma@gmail.com>wrote:
This weekend I was excited chating with someone from an International Tech company about the new opportunities in Konza Silicon Savannah.
He however asked me a question that got me thinking.
If you were to go set up a campus today in Konza where would you start. What he was saying is that the government should have first put up the infrstructure i.e roads, water, sewage connectivity and then invited investors to come in otherwise it is a piped dream.
In other words, by the time Kibaki was breaking ground all these needed to have been in place.
What are your thoughts, how can this be made to work quickly.
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a good number of model cities world over are actually vacant, Who knows the status of eko atlantic in Nigeria? My personal view though is, Konza is what some altruists in GOK view as the Hallmark of development, you only need to look at the fly bys to get the pointers... less congested cities, water channels, a small population...e.t.c e.t.c, I think whether it fails, or succeeds will largely depend on the "customers" intended. For those that seek to have "third world presence" purely for economic reasons, Konza may or may not make sense depending on whether they want cheap skilled labour, or cheap unskilled labour. My 50bob , On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 6:54 PM, Tusker 21 <tusker212@gmail.com> wrote:
Funny enough at the time of ground breaking there were some boreholes already sunk. As a city there is plans to build thwake(so i heard) dam which will be a reservoir for the city. standard gauge rail will also be adopted in the country. They had all this thing they talked about even they have a development board to oversee konza....
I guess we wait to be proved wrong.
R,
T21
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I also don't get the resistance to building a new city as opposed to panel beating the current one.
The way I understand city growths and the planners role in them is that a master plan developed for a period needs to be followed lest other plans for the countries economy fail.
The reason I say it is not feasible to insist on fixing Nairobi is because we have options and relocating the populations of Githurai, Kibera and other unplanned neighborhoods will cost more whether in terms of social peace, lost investment or political conflict. We can always attempt to roll back the snowball effect of the past regimes or stop it in its tracks by focussing on another slope. Nairobi will not whither as a result but probably grow bigger and swallow up Konza eventually.
Why not build new? Set a standard that can be copied countrywide?
Meanwhile fix Nairobi as is apparently the best thing to do.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:37 PM, David Njuguna <dnjuguna@gmail.com>wrote:
I doubt the government has given up on Nairobi. For starters Konza City's size is a small fraction of Nairobi.
@Brian, you do not need proper roads to construct buildings. I have seen some of the so called 'serviced' plots in Nairobi that have roads, street lights and water before the start of homes construction. By the time the estate is half constructed the tarmac roads are long gone.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
Catch 22??
You need roads in order to build the buildings, BUT the building of the buildings will destroy the roads [?]
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:49 PM, David Njuguna <dnjuguna@gmail.com>wrote:
My two cents are; if you build roads before buildings you will not have any roads by the time buildings are constructed. The heavy construction machinery will destroy the roads.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Joram Mwinamo < joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
Many seem to believe the sentiments you have listed but i think it comes more from our distrust for the government(and impending elections) than the fact that a city can be built from scratch. I have had this argument with many who say that Konza will be a white elephant. what they however need to study is how similar projects have been done around the world from south korea(8 smart cities) ,to malaysia,to singapore , to china and closer to home egypt.
what the government is saying in short is "Nairobi is already messed up beyond repair, we are giving you a chance to invest in an ideal city and giving you incentives to do the same" .they are saying this to both locals and internationals. Internationals seem to be listening more.
As with anything else I could be wrong but if im right, a lot of people will be kicking themselves in the foot in 2017 for not going in, and if im wrong, well.....life goes on and a few very rich organisations lose a small part of their investment. i believe the former will be the case.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Kevin Omondi <kevin.ouma@gmail.com>wrote:
> This weekend I was excited chating with someone from an > International Tech company about the new opportunities in Konza Silicon > Savannah. > > He however asked me a question that got me thinking. > > If you were to go set up a campus today in Konza where would you > start. What he was saying is that the government should have first put up > the infrstructure i.e roads, water, sewage connectivity and then invited > investors to come in otherwise it is a piped dream. > > In other words, by the time Kibaki was breaking ground all these > needed to have been in place. > > What are your thoughts, how can this be made to work quickly. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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@Joram If the government's view is that Nairobi is irredeemable them we are lost! Every major City - London, New York, Tokyo, Madrid has precisely the same problems that Nairobi had at some point. They wisely decided to fix the problems they were having rather than trash it and start afresh! On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
Many seem to believe the sentiments you have listed but i think it comes more from our distrust for the government(and impending elections) than the fact that a city can be built from scratch. I have had this argument with many who say that Konza will be a white elephant. what they however need to study is how similar projects have been done around the world from south korea(8 smart cities) ,to malaysia,to singapore , to china and closer to home egypt.
what the government is saying in short is "Nairobi is already messed up beyond repair, we are giving you a chance to invest in an ideal city and giving you incentives to do the same" .they are saying this to both locals and internationals. Internationals seem to be listening more.
As with anything else I could be wrong but if im right, a lot of people will be kicking themselves in the foot in 2017 for not going in, and if im wrong, well.....life goes on and a few very rich organisations lose a small part of their investment. i believe the former will be the case.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Kevin Omondi <kevin.ouma@gmail.com>wrote:
This weekend I was excited chating with someone from an International Tech company about the new opportunities in Konza Silicon Savannah.
He however asked me a question that got me thinking.
If you were to go set up a campus today in Konza where would you start. What he was saying is that the government should have first put up the infrstructure i.e roads, water, sewage connectivity and then invited investors to come in otherwise it is a piped dream.
In other words, by the time Kibaki was breaking ground all these needed to have been in place.
What are your thoughts, how can this be made to work quickly.
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Its not irredeemable, but it will take a long time to fix issues. and why this fixation on nairobi is everything? silicon valley is far away from washington, as is new york, chicago,texas.....cant kenya have cities away from nairobi that are better than nairobi? On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
@Joram
If the government's view is that Nairobi is irredeemable them we are lost!
Every major City - London, New York, Tokyo, Madrid has precisely the same problems that Nairobi had at some point. They wisely decided to fix the problems they were having rather than trash it and start afresh!
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
Many seem to believe the sentiments you have listed but i think it comes more from our distrust for the government(and impending elections) than the fact that a city can be built from scratch. I have had this argument with many who say that Konza will be a white elephant. what they however need to study is how similar projects have been done around the world from south korea(8 smart cities) ,to malaysia,to singapore , to china and closer to home egypt.
what the government is saying in short is "Nairobi is already messed up beyond repair, we are giving you a chance to invest in an ideal city and giving you incentives to do the same" .they are saying this to both locals and internationals. Internationals seem to be listening more.
As with anything else I could be wrong but if im right, a lot of people will be kicking themselves in the foot in 2017 for not going in, and if im wrong, well.....life goes on and a few very rich organisations lose a small part of their investment. i believe the former will be the case.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Kevin Omondi <kevin.ouma@gmail.com>wrote:
This weekend I was excited chating with someone from an International Tech company about the new opportunities in Konza Silicon Savannah.
He however asked me a question that got me thinking.
If you were to go set up a campus today in Konza where would you start. What he was saying is that the government should have first put up the infrstructure i.e roads, water, sewage connectivity and then invited investors to come in otherwise it is a piped dream.
In other words, by the time Kibaki was breaking ground all these needed to have been in place.
What are your thoughts, how can this be made to work quickly.
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I disagree, i am not in government but that is not the governments view based on what was said in Konza and what i have read, this are new concepts for those who have visited the smart village in Egypt or Ebene Cyber City in Mauritius , you will realise that there it serves a specific purpose, Konza will not replace Nairobi, it will serve a specific purpose of supporting growth of our budding ICT Industry. On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
@Joram
If the government's view is that Nairobi is irredeemable them we are lost!
Every major City - London, New York, Tokyo, Madrid has precisely the same problems that Nairobi had at some point. They wisely decided to fix the problems they were having rather than trash it and start afresh!
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
Many seem to believe the sentiments you have listed but i think it comes more from our distrust for the government(and impending elections) than the fact that a city can be built from scratch. I have had this argument with many who say that Konza will be a white elephant. what they however need to study is how similar projects have been done around the world from south korea(8 smart cities) ,to malaysia,to singapore , to china and closer to home egypt.
what the government is saying in short is "Nairobi is already messed up beyond repair, we are giving you a chance to invest in an ideal city and giving you incentives to do the same" .they are saying this to both locals and internationals. Internationals seem to be listening more.
As with anything else I could be wrong but if im right, a lot of people will be kicking themselves in the foot in 2017 for not going in, and if im wrong, well.....life goes on and a few very rich organisations lose a small part of their investment. i believe the former will be the case.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Kevin Omondi <kevin.ouma@gmail.com>wrote:
This weekend I was excited chating with someone from an International Tech company about the new opportunities in Konza Silicon Savannah.
He however asked me a question that got me thinking.
If you were to go set up a campus today in Konza where would you start. What he was saying is that the government should have first put up the infrstructure i.e roads, water, sewage connectivity and then invited investors to come in otherwise it is a piped dream.
In other words, by the time Kibaki was breaking ground all these needed to have been in place.
What are your thoughts, how can this be made to work quickly.
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Ni wangapi wamesoma ruwaza rasmi ya Konza City? I thought so. If you look at the Konza Masterplan, it talks about all these things you have stated in way of infrastructure, but they are planned *in phases!*. What the president broke ground on is just the start of infrastructure development, the city is envisaged to take about 20yrs, thats why Kibaki insisted that day that the next president to continue vivyo hivyo!! As someone said, Rome wasnt built in day and with the right leadership this things can easily become reality. Even Thika Rd was said to be a pipe dream when the plans first came out, a short few yrs ago. On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
@Joram
If the government's view is that Nairobi is irredeemable them we are lost!
Every major City - London, New York, Tokyo, Madrid has precisely the same problems that Nairobi had at some point. They wisely decided to fix the problems they were having rather than trash it and start afresh!
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
Many seem to believe the sentiments you have listed but i think it comes more from our distrust for the government(and impending elections) than the fact that a city can be built from scratch. I have had this argument with many who say that Konza will be a white elephant. what they however need to study is how similar projects have been done around the world from south korea(8 smart cities) ,to malaysia,to singapore , to china and closer to home egypt.
what the government is saying in short is "Nairobi is already messed up beyond repair, we are giving you a chance to invest in an ideal city and giving you incentives to do the same" .they are saying this to both locals and internationals. Internationals seem to be listening more.
As with anything else I could be wrong but if im right, a lot of people will be kicking themselves in the foot in 2017 for not going in, and if im wrong, well.....life goes on and a few very rich organisations lose a small part of their investment. i believe the former will be the case.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Kevin Omondi <kevin.ouma@gmail.com>wrote:
This weekend I was excited chating with someone from an International Tech company about the new opportunities in Konza Silicon Savannah.
He however asked me a question that got me thinking.
If you were to go set up a campus today in Konza where would you start. What he was saying is that the government should have first put up the infrstructure i.e roads, water, sewage connectivity and then invited investors to come in otherwise it is a piped dream.
In other words, by the time Kibaki was breaking ground all these needed to have been in place.
What are your thoughts, how can this be made to work quickly.
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However sweet the masterplan reads...I think we need a lot more than the plan to ensure this project becomes a success....the involvement of different players with critical roles will ensure its success or death...someone once said that an "elephant is a rat built to Govnt specifications". Proposal righting is a full time paying job...and we have spin masters who can do a spectucular job... See the players and you will realise they might just have different viewpoints and goals so to speak... From Kibaki's legacy of putting up first class infrastructure, it serves his tenure right that this noble idea picks up...the successor has the uphill task..... Current PS - Bitange Ndemo's acumen in matters ICT is undisputable....this is Ndemo the individual...of whom I am certain scoring political points probably have no space in his thoughts and plans...his optimism is what we need for technological developments rare in the 3rd world.... From an Investors point of view - the very IT/ICT giants targeted, a SWOT and PEST - Political, Econimic, Social and Tech analysis will carry the day any time to make them see the opportunity as worth exploiting. Political stability ranks highly for them....my opinion...a simple goof and we are stuck with the plan.... One dangerous point of view is that of the land dealers...they are the smartest...they do their sw*O*t analysis in a rather biased manner....and make hay when the sun still shines...to them Opportunity comes first! Nonetheless, the only way out is to ensure the different players appreciate the plan as is....Politicians should know their delicate role in ensuring investment opportunities are not thrown out of the window....and we might just need to clone Ndemo - pun intended! Dan O.Kwach. On 1/28/2013 4:19 PM, Kinuthia Ngugi wrote:
Ni wangapi wamesoma ruwaza rasmi ya Konza City? I thought so. If you look at the Konza Masterplan, it talks about all these things you have stated in way of infrastructure, but they are planned /in phases!/. What the president broke ground on is just the start of infrastructure development, the city is envisaged to take about 20yrs, thats why Kibaki insisted that day that the next president to continue vivyo hivyo!! As someone said, Rome wasnt built in day and with the right leadership this things can easily become reality. Even Thika Rd was said to be a pipe dream when the plans first came out, a short few yrs ago.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com <mailto:conradakunga@gmail.com>> wrote:
@Joram
If the government's view is that Nairobi is irredeemable them we are lost!
Every major City - London, New York, Tokyo, Madrid has precisely the same problems that Nairobi had at some point. They wisely decided to fix the problems they were having rather than trash it and start afresh!
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com <mailto:joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>> wrote:
Many seem to believe the sentiments you have listed but i think it comes more from our distrust for the government(and impending elections) than the fact that a city can be built from scratch. I have had this argument with many who say that Konza will be a white elephant. what they however need to study is how similar projects have been done around the world from south korea(8 smart cities) ,to malaysia,to singapore , to china and closer to home egypt.
what the government is saying in short is "Nairobi is already messed up beyond repair, we are giving you a chance to invest in an ideal city and giving you incentives to do the same" .they are saying this to both locals and internationals. Internationals seem to be listening more.
As with anything else I could be wrong but if im right, a lot of people will be kicking themselves in the foot in 2017 for not going in, and if im wrong, well.....life goes on and a few very rich organisations lose a small part of their investment. i believe the former will be the case.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Kevin Omondi <kevin.ouma@gmail.com <mailto:kevin.ouma@gmail.com>> wrote:
This weekend I was excited chating with someone from an International Tech company about the new opportunities in Konza Silicon Savannah.
He however asked me a question that got me thinking.
If you were to go set up a campus today in Konza where would you start. What he was saying is that the government should have first put up the infrstructure i.e roads, water, sewage connectivity and then invited investors to come in otherwise it is a piped dream.
In other words, by the time Kibaki was breaking ground all these needed to have been in place.
What are your thoughts, how can this be made to work quickly.
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@ Brainiac, Smart City and Ebene Cyber City are well occupied in fact Smart City is focusing on phase 2 having been conceptualised around 2002 and was built using the same principles,@ Dan what more do you want added to the project, i understand a bit of project management and i think a lot of aspects have been covered having participated in the initial public Kamukunjis at UON when the project was being conceptualised to its launch, lets be specific in our interventions On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Dan Kwach <dan.kwach@kdn.co.ke> wrote:
However sweet the masterplan reads...I think we need a lot more than the plan to ensure this project becomes a success....the involvement of different players with critical roles will ensure its success or death...someone once said that an "elephant is a rat built to Govnt specifications".
Proposal righting is a full time paying job...and we have spin masters who can do a spectucular job...
See the players and you will realise they might just have different viewpoints and goals so to speak...
From Kibaki's legacy of putting up first class infrastructure, it serves his tenure right that this noble idea picks up...the successor has the uphill task.....
Current PS - Bitange Ndemo's acumen in matters ICT is undisputable....this is Ndemo the individual...of whom I am certain scoring political points probably have no space in his thoughts and plans...his optimism is what we need for technological developments rare in the 3rd world....
From an Investors point of view - the very IT/ICT giants targeted, a SWOT and PEST - Political, Econimic, Social and Tech analysis will carry the day any time to make them see the opportunity as worth exploiting. Political stability ranks highly for them....my opinion...a simple goof and we are stuck with the plan....
One dangerous point of view is that of the land dealers...they are the smartest...they do their sw*O*t analysis in a rather biased manner....and make hay when the sun still shines...to them Opportunity comes first!
Nonetheless, the only way out is to ensure the different players appreciate the plan as is....Politicians should know their delicate role in ensuring investment opportunities are not thrown out of the window....and we might just need to clone Ndemo - pun intended!
Dan O.Kwach.
On 1/28/2013 4:19 PM, Kinuthia Ngugi wrote:
Ni wangapi wamesoma ruwaza rasmi ya Konza City? I thought so. If you look at the Konza Masterplan, it talks about all these things you have stated in way of infrastructure, but they are planned *in phases!*. What the president broke ground on is just the start of infrastructure development, the city is envisaged to take about 20yrs, thats why Kibaki insisted that day that the next president to continue vivyo hivyo!! As someone said, Rome wasnt built in day and with the right leadership this things can easily become reality. Even Thika Rd was said to be a pipe dream when the plans first came out, a short few yrs ago.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
@Joram
If the government's view is that Nairobi is irredeemable them we are lost!
Every major City - London, New York, Tokyo, Madrid has precisely the same problems that Nairobi had at some point. They wisely decided to fix the problems they were having rather than trash it and start afresh!
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
Many seem to believe the sentiments you have listed but i think it comes more from our distrust for the government(and impending elections) than the fact that a city can be built from scratch. I have had this argument with many who say that Konza will be a white elephant. what they however need to study is how similar projects have been done around the world from south korea(8 smart cities) ,to malaysia,to singapore , to china and closer to home egypt.
what the government is saying in short is "Nairobi is already messed up beyond repair, we are giving you a chance to invest in an ideal city and giving you incentives to do the same" .they are saying this to both locals and internationals. Internationals seem to be listening more.
As with anything else I could be wrong but if im right, a lot of people will be kicking themselves in the foot in 2017 for not going in, and if im wrong, well.....life goes on and a few very rich organisations lose a small part of their investment. i believe the former will be the case.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Kevin Omondi <kevin.ouma@gmail.com>wrote:
This weekend I was excited chating with someone from an International Tech company about the new opportunities in Konza Silicon Savannah.
He however asked me a question that got me thinking.
If you were to go set up a campus today in Konza where would you start. What he was saying is that the government should have first put up the infrstructure i.e roads, water, sewage connectivity and then invited investors to come in otherwise it is a piped dream.
In other words, by the time Kibaki was breaking ground all these needed to have been in place.
What are your thoughts, how can this be made to work quickly.
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@barrack i was referring to eko atlantic. (further info shows its still under construction, Its been in the pipeline for soo long many had given up on it.. http://www.ekoatlantic.com/ and did not mean that ALL designer cities are unoccupied. I have seen lots of documentaries on chinese massive investment on what turned out to be ghost cities, my point beint that one wrong move and we join that list. On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
@ Brainiac, Smart City and Ebene Cyber City are well occupied in fact Smart City is focusing on phase 2 having been conceptualised around 2002 and was built using the same principles,@ Dan what more do you want added to the project, i understand a bit of project management and i think a lot of aspects have been covered having participated in the initial public Kamukunjis at UON when the project was being conceptualised to its launch, lets be specific in our interventions
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Dan Kwach <dan.kwach@kdn.co.ke> wrote:
However sweet the masterplan reads...I think we need a lot more than the plan to ensure this project becomes a success....the involvement of different players with critical roles will ensure its success or death...someone once said that an "elephant is a rat built to Govnt specifications".
Proposal righting is a full time paying job...and we have spin masters who can do a spectucular job...
See the players and you will realise they might just have different viewpoints and goals so to speak...
From Kibaki's legacy of putting up first class infrastructure, it serves his tenure right that this noble idea picks up...the successor has the uphill task.....
Current PS - Bitange Ndemo's acumen in matters ICT is undisputable....this is Ndemo the individual...of whom I am certain scoring political points probably have no space in his thoughts and plans...his optimism is what we need for technological developments rare in the 3rd world....
From an Investors point of view - the very IT/ICT giants targeted, a SWOT and PEST - Political, Econimic, Social and Tech analysis will carry the day any time to make them see the opportunity as worth exploiting. Political stability ranks highly for them....my opinion...a simple goof and we are stuck with the plan....
One dangerous point of view is that of the land dealers...they are the smartest...they do their sw*O*t analysis in a rather biased manner....and make hay when the sun still shines...to them Opportunity comes first!
Nonetheless, the only way out is to ensure the different players appreciate the plan as is....Politicians should know their delicate role in ensuring investment opportunities are not thrown out of the window....and we might just need to clone Ndemo - pun intended!
Dan O.Kwach.
On 1/28/2013 4:19 PM, Kinuthia Ngugi wrote:
Ni wangapi wamesoma ruwaza rasmi ya Konza City? I thought so. If you look at the Konza Masterplan, it talks about all these things you have stated in way of infrastructure, but they are planned *in phases!*. What the president broke ground on is just the start of infrastructure development, the city is envisaged to take about 20yrs, thats why Kibaki insisted that day that the next president to continue vivyo hivyo!! As someone said, Rome wasnt built in day and with the right leadership this things can easily become reality. Even Thika Rd was said to be a pipe dream when the plans first came out, a short few yrs ago.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
@Joram
If the government's view is that Nairobi is irredeemable them we are lost!
Every major City - London, New York, Tokyo, Madrid has precisely the same problems that Nairobi had at some point. They wisely decided to fix the problems they were having rather than trash it and start afresh!
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com
wrote:
Many seem to believe the sentiments you have listed but i think it comes more from our distrust for the government(and impending elections) than the fact that a city can be built from scratch. I have had this argument with many who say that Konza will be a white elephant. what they however need to study is how similar projects have been done around the world from south korea(8 smart cities) ,to malaysia,to singapore , to china and closer to home egypt.
what the government is saying in short is "Nairobi is already messed up beyond repair, we are giving you a chance to invest in an ideal city and giving you incentives to do the same" .they are saying this to both locals and internationals. Internationals seem to be listening more.
As with anything else I could be wrong but if im right, a lot of people will be kicking themselves in the foot in 2017 for not going in, and if im wrong, well.....life goes on and a few very rich organisations lose a small part of their investment. i believe the former will be the case.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Kevin Omondi <kevin.ouma@gmail.com>wrote:
This weekend I was excited chating with someone from an International Tech company about the new opportunities in Konza Silicon Savannah.
He however asked me a question that got me thinking.
If you were to go set up a campus today in Konza where would you start. What he was saying is that the government should have first put up the infrstructure i.e roads, water, sewage connectivity and then invited investors to come in otherwise it is a piped dream.
In other words, by the time Kibaki was breaking ground all these needed to have been in place.
What are your thoughts, how can this be made to work quickly.
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not my words... " Reality check- the progress of a nation's tech industry closely mirrors the progress of other sectors e.g. infrastructure, education,health etc. It would be preposterous to imagine Kenya can leap frog into tech utopia by just cashing in on the 'innovation meme' while neglecting other critical sectors which are essential in nurturing innovation"
whose words? On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Jacob Ayienda <jacobayienda@gmail.com>wrote:
not my words...
" Reality check- the progress of a nation's tech industry closely mirrors the progress of other sectors e.g. infrastructure, education,health etc. It would be preposterous to imagine Kenya can leap frog into tech utopia by just cashing in on the 'innovation meme' while neglecting other critical sectors which are essential in nurturing innovation"
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I don't get why folks say Nairobi is irredeemable. New York had slums circa 1890. Rome has had worse infrastructure ownership issues than Nairobi (I'm quite sure given the number of historical buildings they cannot take down - as opposed to Nairobi, where, for the sake of our collective vision, we ought to take several hideous buildings down). Let us say Konza takes off.. What happens to the five odd million people in Nairobi's greater metropolis? Do we flatten the city? Do we let the city collapse? Won't the property owners lose their margins? New York, with more infrastructure than us has taken on the very same "Silicon Valley" that we are trying to own. The most successful nations are those that adapt, not those that run away from their problems. The tragedy with Nairobi is that the land around the serviced land was developed in an unplanned manner. Konza Technopolis has it's land fenced off... Around Konza, unplanned structrues will mushroom. How do you handle this going forward? There are simple solutions to the land 'mess' that we have in Nairobi. They are the same problems that affect land across the nation, so unless Konza is being built outside of the country, we will end up with the same mess. For example, slums - slums serve the very middle class that is being moved to Konza. Given that we (as Kenyans generally), don't pay our help well but cannot live without their services, they tend to live in the slums. The issue is not that they cannot move out, its' that they don't have the income to justify moving out. Is this an issue that has been resolved? Paying your own house help well, is an irrational decision as far as the market is concerned at that point in time (tragedy of the commons. Good for each individual procuring the labour services but bad for the economy in general in the medium to long term). Will there be guidlines for how much you can pay your help? What happens in the case that there are? People will obviously demand higher income from their employers (remember, lifestyle, like pricing, is sticky downwards). If they can actually enforce this then the question begs, why didn't they do that earlier - is it that the people in Kibera did not need intervention? Land speculation is one such problem. Land is already on sale in the environs of Konza. Use landrates as a catalyst. Increase landrates (especially in commercial areas) to ensure that people build northwards (a good example of the tragedy that is our poor land rates is the Junction and their open air parking). A one acre piece of land in Upperhill is roughly 200M KES. Annual Land rates? 170,000 KES. Why wouldn't I speculate on the land? If, however, commercial zones had higher rates, I'd be forced to build northwards for the investment to make sense. The council will then have the money to supply necessary services to my land. The devaluation of the land will allow for the government to buy land for bypasses etc at a much lower rate. The reality of the matter is not that Nairobi cannot be fixed (it's a tiny city in the grand scheme of things - Tokyo has a metropolis of 35 million people), it's that we lack the will to do it. On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Dan Kwach <dan.kwach@kdn.co.ke> wrote:
However sweet the masterplan reads...I think we need a lot more than the plan to ensure this project becomes a success....the involvement of different players with critical roles will ensure its success or death...someone once said that an "elephant is a rat built to Govnt specifications".
Proposal righting is a full time paying job...and we have spin masters who can do a spectucular job...
See the players and you will realise they might just have different viewpoints and goals so to speak...
From Kibaki's legacy of putting up first class infrastructure, it serves his tenure right that this noble idea picks up...the successor has the uphill task.....
Current PS - Bitange Ndemo's acumen in matters ICT is undisputable....this is Ndemo the individual...of whom I am certain scoring political points probably have no space in his thoughts and plans...his optimism is what we need for technological developments rare in the 3rd world....
From an Investors point of view - the very IT/ICT giants targeted, a SWOT and PEST - Political, Econimic, Social and Tech analysis will carry the day any time to make them see the opportunity as worth exploiting. Political stability ranks highly for them....my opinion...a simple goof and we are stuck with the plan....
One dangerous point of view is that of the land dealers...they are the smartest...they do their sw*O*t analysis in a rather biased manner....and make hay when the sun still shines...to them Opportunity comes first!
Nonetheless, the only way out is to ensure the different players appreciate the plan as is....Politicians should know their delicate role in ensuring investment opportunities are not thrown out of the window....and we might just need to clone Ndemo - pun intended!
Dan O.Kwach.
On 1/28/2013 4:19 PM, Kinuthia Ngugi wrote:
Ni wangapi wamesoma ruwaza rasmi ya Konza City? I thought so. If you look at the Konza Masterplan, it talks about all these things you have stated in way of infrastructure, but they are planned *in phases!*. What the president broke ground on is just the start of infrastructure development, the city is envisaged to take about 20yrs, thats why Kibaki insisted that day that the next president to continue vivyo hivyo!! As someone said, Rome wasnt built in day and with the right leadership this things can easily become reality. Even Thika Rd was said to be a pipe dream when the plans first came out, a short few yrs ago.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
@Joram
If the government's view is that Nairobi is irredeemable them we are lost!
Every major City - London, New York, Tokyo, Madrid has precisely the same problems that Nairobi had at some point. They wisely decided to fix the problems they were having rather than trash it and start afresh!
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
Many seem to believe the sentiments you have listed but i think it comes more from our distrust for the government(and impending elections) than the fact that a city can be built from scratch. I have had this argument with many who say that Konza will be a white elephant. what they however need to study is how similar projects have been done around the world from south korea(8 smart cities) ,to malaysia,to singapore , to china and closer to home egypt.
what the government is saying in short is "Nairobi is already messed up beyond repair, we are giving you a chance to invest in an ideal city and giving you incentives to do the same" .they are saying this to both locals and internationals. Internationals seem to be listening more.
As with anything else I could be wrong but if im right, a lot of people will be kicking themselves in the foot in 2017 for not going in, and if im wrong, well.....life goes on and a few very rich organisations lose a small part of their investment. i believe the former will be the case.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Kevin Omondi <kevin.ouma@gmail.com>wrote:
This weekend I was excited chating with someone from an International Tech company about the new opportunities in Konza Silicon Savannah.
He however asked me a question that got me thinking.
If you were to go set up a campus today in Konza where would you start. What he was saying is that the government should have first put up the infrstructure i.e roads, water, sewage connectivity and then invited investors to come in otherwise it is a piped dream.
In other words, by the time Kibaki was breaking ground all these needed to have been in place.
What are your thoughts, how can this be made to work quickly.
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+1 Phares On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Phares <phares.kariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't get why folks say Nairobi is irredeemable. New York had slums circa 1890. Rome has had worse infrastructure ownership issues than Nairobi (I'm quite sure given the number of historical buildings they cannot take down - as opposed to Nairobi, where, for the sake of our collective vision, we ought to take several hideous buildings down).
Let us say Konza takes off.. What happens to the five odd million people in Nairobi's greater metropolis? Do we flatten the city? Do we let the city collapse? Won't the property owners lose their margins?
New York, with more infrastructure than us has taken on the very same "Silicon Valley" that we are trying to own.
The most successful nations are those that adapt, not those that run away from their problems. The tragedy with Nairobi is that the land around the serviced land was developed in an unplanned manner. Konza Technopolis has it's land fenced off... Around Konza, unplanned structrues will mushroom. How do you handle this going forward?
There are simple solutions to the land 'mess' that we have in Nairobi. They are the same problems that affect land across the nation, so unless Konza is being built outside of the country, we will end up with the same mess. For example, slums - slums serve the very middle class that is being moved to Konza. Given that we (as Kenyans generally), don't pay our help well but cannot live without their services, they tend to live in the slums. The issue is not that they cannot move out, its' that they don't have the income to justify moving out. Is this an issue that has been resolved? Paying your own house help well, is an irrational decision as far as the market is concerned at that point in time (tragedy of the commons. Good for each individual procuring the labour services but bad for the economy in general in the medium to long term). Will there be guidlines for how much you can pay your help? What happens in the case that there are? People will obviously demand higher income from their employers (remember, lifestyle, like pricing, is sticky downwards). If they can actually enforce this then the question begs, why didn't they do that earlier - is it that the people in Kibera did not need intervention?
Land speculation is one such problem. Land is already on sale in the environs of Konza. Use landrates as a catalyst. Increase landrates (especially in commercial areas) to ensure that people build northwards (a good example of the tragedy that is our poor land rates is the Junction and their open air parking). A one acre piece of land in Upperhill is roughly 200M KES. Annual Land rates? 170,000 KES. Why wouldn't I speculate on the land? If, however, commercial zones had higher rates, I'd be forced to build northwards for the investment to make sense. The council will then have the money to supply necessary services to my land. The devaluation of the land will allow for the government to buy land for bypasses etc at a much lower rate.
The reality of the matter is not that Nairobi cannot be fixed (it's a tiny city in the grand scheme of things - Tokyo has a metropolis of 35 million people), it's that we lack the will to do it.
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Dan Kwach <dan.kwach@kdn.co.ke> wrote:
However sweet the masterplan reads...I think we need a lot more than the plan to ensure this project becomes a success....the involvement of different players with critical roles will ensure its success or death...someone once said that an "elephant is a rat built to Govnt specifications".
Proposal righting is a full time paying job...and we have spin masters who can do a spectucular job...
See the players and you will realise they might just have different viewpoints and goals so to speak...
From Kibaki's legacy of putting up first class infrastructure, it serves his tenure right that this noble idea picks up...the successor has the uphill task.....
Current PS - Bitange Ndemo's acumen in matters ICT is undisputable....this is Ndemo the individual...of whom I am certain scoring political points probably have no space in his thoughts and plans...his optimism is what we need for technological developments rare in the 3rd world....
From an Investors point of view - the very IT/ICT giants targeted, a SWOT and PEST - Political, Econimic, Social and Tech analysis will carry the day any time to make them see the opportunity as worth exploiting. Political stability ranks highly for them....my opinion...a simple goof and we are stuck with the plan....
One dangerous point of view is that of the land dealers...they are the smartest...they do their sw*O*t analysis in a rather biased manner....and make hay when the sun still shines...to them Opportunity comes first!
Nonetheless, the only way out is to ensure the different players appreciate the plan as is....Politicians should know their delicate role in ensuring investment opportunities are not thrown out of the window....and we might just need to clone Ndemo - pun intended!
Dan O.Kwach.
On 1/28/2013 4:19 PM, Kinuthia Ngugi wrote:
Ni wangapi wamesoma ruwaza rasmi ya Konza City? I thought so. If you look at the Konza Masterplan, it talks about all these things you have stated in way of infrastructure, but they are planned *in phases!*. What the president broke ground on is just the start of infrastructure development, the city is envisaged to take about 20yrs, thats why Kibaki insisted that day that the next president to continue vivyo hivyo!! As someone said, Rome wasnt built in day and with the right leadership this things can easily become reality. Even Thika Rd was said to be a pipe dream when the plans first came out, a short few yrs ago.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
@Joram
If the government's view is that Nairobi is irredeemable them we are lost!
Every major City - London, New York, Tokyo, Madrid has precisely the same problems that Nairobi had at some point. They wisely decided to fix the problems they were having rather than trash it and start afresh!
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com
wrote:
Many seem to believe the sentiments you have listed but i think it comes more from our distrust for the government(and impending elections) than the fact that a city can be built from scratch. I have had this argument with many who say that Konza will be a white elephant. what they however need to study is how similar projects have been done around the world from south korea(8 smart cities) ,to malaysia,to singapore , to china and closer to home egypt.
what the government is saying in short is "Nairobi is already messed up beyond repair, we are giving you a chance to invest in an ideal city and giving you incentives to do the same" .they are saying this to both locals and internationals. Internationals seem to be listening more.
As with anything else I could be wrong but if im right, a lot of people will be kicking themselves in the foot in 2017 for not going in, and if im wrong, well.....life goes on and a few very rich organisations lose a small part of their investment. i believe the former will be the case.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Kevin Omondi <kevin.ouma@gmail.com>wrote:
This weekend I was excited chating with someone from an International Tech company about the new opportunities in Konza Silicon Savannah.
He however asked me a question that got me thinking.
If you were to go set up a campus today in Konza where would you start. What he was saying is that the government should have first put up the infrstructure i.e roads, water, sewage connectivity and then invited investors to come in otherwise it is a piped dream.
In other words, by the time Kibaki was breaking ground all these needed to have been in place.
What are your thoughts, how can this be made to work quickly.
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I never understand why we focus never worked or failed. If Konza is to be realized its up to us to get it there unless we don't share the same views. On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
+1 Phares
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Phares <phares.kariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't get why folks say Nairobi is irredeemable. New York had slums circa 1890. Rome has had worse infrastructure ownership issues than Nairobi (I'm quite sure given the number of historical buildings they cannot take down - as opposed to Nairobi, where, for the sake of our collective vision, we ought to take several hideous buildings down).
Let us say Konza takes off.. What happens to the five odd million people in Nairobi's greater metropolis? Do we flatten the city? Do we let the city collapse? Won't the property owners lose their margins?
New York, with more infrastructure than us has taken on the very same "Silicon Valley" that we are trying to own.
The most successful nations are those that adapt, not those that run away from their problems. The tragedy with Nairobi is that the land around the serviced land was developed in an unplanned manner. Konza Technopolis has it's land fenced off... Around Konza, unplanned structrues will mushroom. How do you handle this going forward?
There are simple solutions to the land 'mess' that we have in Nairobi. They are the same problems that affect land across the nation, so unless Konza is being built outside of the country, we will end up with the same mess. For example, slums - slums serve the very middle class that is being moved to Konza. Given that we (as Kenyans generally), don't pay our help well but cannot live without their services, they tend to live in the slums. The issue is not that they cannot move out, its' that they don't have the income to justify moving out. Is this an issue that has been resolved? Paying your own house help well, is an irrational decision as far as the market is concerned at that point in time (tragedy of the commons. Good for each individual procuring the labour services but bad for the economy in general in the medium to long term). Will there be guidlines for how much you can pay your help? What happens in the case that there are? People will obviously demand higher income from their employers (remember, lifestyle, like pricing, is sticky downwards). If they can actually enforce this then the question begs, why didn't they do that earlier - is it that the people in Kibera did not need intervention?
Land speculation is one such problem. Land is already on sale in the environs of Konza. Use landrates as a catalyst. Increase landrates (especially in commercial areas) to ensure that people build northwards (a good example of the tragedy that is our poor land rates is the Junction and their open air parking). A one acre piece of land in Upperhill is roughly 200M KES. Annual Land rates? 170,000 KES. Why wouldn't I speculate on the land? If, however, commercial zones had higher rates, I'd be forced to build northwards for the investment to make sense. The council will then have the money to supply necessary services to my land. The devaluation of the land will allow for the government to buy land for bypasses etc at a much lower rate.
The reality of the matter is not that Nairobi cannot be fixed (it's a tiny city in the grand scheme of things - Tokyo has a metropolis of 35 million people), it's that we lack the will to do it.
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Dan Kwach <dan.kwach@kdn.co.ke> wrote:
However sweet the masterplan reads...I think we need a lot more than the plan to ensure this project becomes a success....the involvement of different players with critical roles will ensure its success or death...someone once said that an "elephant is a rat built to Govnt specifications".
Proposal righting is a full time paying job...and we have spin masters who can do a spectucular job...
See the players and you will realise they might just have different viewpoints and goals so to speak...
From Kibaki's legacy of putting up first class infrastructure, it serves his tenure right that this noble idea picks up...the successor has the uphill task.....
Current PS - Bitange Ndemo's acumen in matters ICT is undisputable....this is Ndemo the individual...of whom I am certain scoring political points probably have no space in his thoughts and plans...his optimism is what we need for technological developments rare in the 3rd world....
From an Investors point of view - the very IT/ICT giants targeted, a SWOT and PEST - Political, Econimic, Social and Tech analysis will carry the day any time to make them see the opportunity as worth exploiting. Political stability ranks highly for them....my opinion...a simple goof and we are stuck with the plan....
One dangerous point of view is that of the land dealers...they are the smartest...they do their sw*O*t analysis in a rather biased manner....and make hay when the sun still shines...to them Opportunity comes first!
Nonetheless, the only way out is to ensure the different players appreciate the plan as is....Politicians should know their delicate role in ensuring investment opportunities are not thrown out of the window....and we might just need to clone Ndemo - pun intended!
Dan O.Kwach.
On 1/28/2013 4:19 PM, Kinuthia Ngugi wrote:
Ni wangapi wamesoma ruwaza rasmi ya Konza City? I thought so. If you look at the Konza Masterplan, it talks about all these things you have stated in way of infrastructure, but they are planned *in phases!*. What the president broke ground on is just the start of infrastructure development, the city is envisaged to take about 20yrs, thats why Kibaki insisted that day that the next president to continue vivyo hivyo!! As someone said, Rome wasnt built in day and with the right leadership this things can easily become reality. Even Thika Rd was said to be a pipe dream when the plans first came out, a short few yrs ago.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
@Joram
If the government's view is that Nairobi is irredeemable them we are lost!
Every major City - London, New York, Tokyo, Madrid has precisely the same problems that Nairobi had at some point. They wisely decided to fix the problems they were having rather than trash it and start afresh!
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Joram Mwinamo < joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
Many seem to believe the sentiments you have listed but i think it comes more from our distrust for the government(and impending elections) than the fact that a city can be built from scratch. I have had this argument with many who say that Konza will be a white elephant. what they however need to study is how similar projects have been done around the world from south korea(8 smart cities) ,to malaysia,to singapore , to china and closer to home egypt.
what the government is saying in short is "Nairobi is already messed up beyond repair, we are giving you a chance to invest in an ideal city and giving you incentives to do the same" .they are saying this to both locals and internationals. Internationals seem to be listening more.
As with anything else I could be wrong but if im right, a lot of people will be kicking themselves in the foot in 2017 for not going in, and if im wrong, well.....life goes on and a few very rich organisations lose a small part of their investment. i believe the former will be the case.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Kevin Omondi <kevin.ouma@gmail.com>wrote:
This weekend I was excited chating with someone from an International Tech company about the new opportunities in Konza Silicon Savannah.
He however asked me a question that got me thinking.
If you were to go set up a campus today in Konza where would you start. What he was saying is that the government should have first put up the infrstructure i.e roads, water, sewage connectivity and then invited investors to come in otherwise it is a piped dream.
In other words, by the time Kibaki was breaking ground all these needed to have been in place.
What are your thoughts, how can this be made to work quickly.
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Well put @Phares. Isn't it about time the government directly or through some kind of liaison found a way to reach out to professionals and the public alike to let them express their ideas,hints and fears about what's happening. Opening channels of communication could go a very long way On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
+1 Phares
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Phares <phares.kariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't get why folks say Nairobi is irredeemable. New York had slums circa 1890. Rome has had worse infrastructure ownership issues than Nairobi (I'm quite sure given the number of historical buildings they cannot take down - as opposed to Nairobi, where, for the sake of our collective vision, we ought to take several hideous buildings down).
Let us say Konza takes off.. What happens to the five odd million people in Nairobi's greater metropolis? Do we flatten the city? Do we let the city collapse? Won't the property owners lose their margins?
New York, with more infrastructure than us has taken on the very same "Silicon Valley" that we are trying to own.
The most successful nations are those that adapt, not those that run away from their problems. The tragedy with Nairobi is that the land around the serviced land was developed in an unplanned manner. Konza Technopolis has it's land fenced off... Around Konza, unplanned structrues will mushroom. How do you handle this going forward?
There are simple solutions to the land 'mess' that we have in Nairobi. They are the same problems that affect land across the nation, so unless Konza is being built outside of the country, we will end up with the same mess. For example, slums - slums serve the very middle class that is being moved to Konza. Given that we (as Kenyans generally), don't pay our help well but cannot live without their services, they tend to live in the slums. The issue is not that they cannot move out, its' that they don't have the income to justify moving out. Is this an issue that has been resolved? Paying your own house help well, is an irrational decision as far as the market is concerned at that point in time (tragedy of the commons. Good for each individual procuring the labour services but bad for the economy in general in the medium to long term). Will there be guidlines for how much you can pay your help? What happens in the case that there are? People will obviously demand higher income from their employers (remember, lifestyle, like pricing, is sticky downwards). If they can actually enforce this then the question begs, why didn't they do that earlier - is it that the people in Kibera did not need intervention?
Land speculation is one such problem. Land is already on sale in the environs of Konza. Use landrates as a catalyst. Increase landrates (especially in commercial areas) to ensure that people build northwards (a good example of the tragedy that is our poor land rates is the Junction and their open air parking). A one acre piece of land in Upperhill is roughly 200M KES. Annual Land rates? 170,000 KES. Why wouldn't I speculate on the land? If, however, commercial zones had higher rates, I'd be forced to build northwards for the investment to make sense. The council will then have the money to supply necessary services to my land. The devaluation of the land will allow for the government to buy land for bypasses etc at a much lower rate.
The reality of the matter is not that Nairobi cannot be fixed (it's a tiny city in the grand scheme of things - Tokyo has a metropolis of 35 million people), it's that we lack the will to do it.
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Dan Kwach <dan.kwach@kdn.co.ke> wrote:
However sweet the masterplan reads...I think we need a lot more than the plan to ensure this project becomes a success....the involvement of different players with critical roles will ensure its success or death...someone once said that an "elephant is a rat built to Govnt specifications".
Proposal righting is a full time paying job...and we have spin masters who can do a spectucular job...
See the players and you will realise they might just have different viewpoints and goals so to speak...
From Kibaki's legacy of putting up first class infrastructure, it serves his tenure right that this noble idea picks up...the successor has the uphill task.....
Current PS - Bitange Ndemo's acumen in matters ICT is undisputable....this is Ndemo the individual...of whom I am certain scoring political points probably have no space in his thoughts and plans...his optimism is what we need for technological developments rare in the 3rd world....
From an Investors point of view - the very IT/ICT giants targeted, a SWOT and PEST - Political, Econimic, Social and Tech analysis will carry the day any time to make them see the opportunity as worth exploiting. Political stability ranks highly for them....my opinion...a simple goof and we are stuck with the plan....
One dangerous point of view is that of the land dealers...they are the smartest...they do their sw*O*t analysis in a rather biased manner....and make hay when the sun still shines...to them Opportunity comes first!
Nonetheless, the only way out is to ensure the different players appreciate the plan as is....Politicians should know their delicate role in ensuring investment opportunities are not thrown out of the window....and we might just need to clone Ndemo - pun intended!
Dan O.Kwach.
On 1/28/2013 4:19 PM, Kinuthia Ngugi wrote:
Ni wangapi wamesoma ruwaza rasmi ya Konza City? I thought so. If you look at the Konza Masterplan, it talks about all these things you have stated in way of infrastructure, but they are planned *in phases!*. What the president broke ground on is just the start of infrastructure development, the city is envisaged to take about 20yrs, thats why Kibaki insisted that day that the next president to continue vivyo hivyo!! As someone said, Rome wasnt built in day and with the right leadership this things can easily become reality. Even Thika Rd was said to be a pipe dream when the plans first came out, a short few yrs ago.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
@Joram
If the government's view is that Nairobi is irredeemable them we are lost!
Every major City - London, New York, Tokyo, Madrid has precisely the same problems that Nairobi had at some point. They wisely decided to fix the problems they were having rather than trash it and start afresh!
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Joram Mwinamo < joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
Many seem to believe the sentiments you have listed but i think it comes more from our distrust for the government(and impending elections) than the fact that a city can be built from scratch. I have had this argument with many who say that Konza will be a white elephant. what they however need to study is how similar projects have been done around the world from south korea(8 smart cities) ,to malaysia,to singapore , to china and closer to home egypt.
what the government is saying in short is "Nairobi is already messed up beyond repair, we are giving you a chance to invest in an ideal city and giving you incentives to do the same" .they are saying this to both locals and internationals. Internationals seem to be listening more.
As with anything else I could be wrong but if im right, a lot of people will be kicking themselves in the foot in 2017 for not going in, and if im wrong, well.....life goes on and a few very rich organisations lose a small part of their investment. i believe the former will be the case.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Kevin Omondi <kevin.ouma@gmail.com>wrote:
This weekend I was excited chating with someone from an International Tech company about the new opportunities in Konza Silicon Savannah.
He however asked me a question that got me thinking.
If you were to go set up a campus today in Konza where would you start. What he was saying is that the government should have first put up the infrstructure i.e roads, water, sewage connectivity and then invited investors to come in otherwise it is a piped dream.
In other words, by the time Kibaki was breaking ground all these needed to have been in place.
What are your thoughts, how can this be made to work quickly.
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Claude, This has been happening for one year, we have had several stakeholder forums, discussions on lists and even Bus trips to Konza organised by the government, we need to be interested. Best Regards On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Claude D'souza <claudedsouza1@gmail.com>wrote:
Well put @Phares. Isn't it about time the government directly or through some kind of liaison found a way to reach out to professionals and the public alike to let them express their ideas,hints and fears about what's happening. Opening channels of communication could go a very long way
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
+1 Phares
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Phares <phares.kariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't get why folks say Nairobi is irredeemable. New York had slums circa 1890. Rome has had worse infrastructure ownership issues than Nairobi (I'm quite sure given the number of historical buildings they cannot take down - as opposed to Nairobi, where, for the sake of our collective vision, we ought to take several hideous buildings down).
Let us say Konza takes off.. What happens to the five odd million people in Nairobi's greater metropolis? Do we flatten the city? Do we let the city collapse? Won't the property owners lose their margins?
New York, with more infrastructure than us has taken on the very same "Silicon Valley" that we are trying to own.
The most successful nations are those that adapt, not those that run away from their problems. The tragedy with Nairobi is that the land around the serviced land was developed in an unplanned manner. Konza Technopolis has it's land fenced off... Around Konza, unplanned structrues will mushroom. How do you handle this going forward?
There are simple solutions to the land 'mess' that we have in Nairobi. They are the same problems that affect land across the nation, so unless Konza is being built outside of the country, we will end up with the same mess. For example, slums - slums serve the very middle class that is being moved to Konza. Given that we (as Kenyans generally), don't pay our help well but cannot live without their services, they tend to live in the slums. The issue is not that they cannot move out, its' that they don't have the income to justify moving out. Is this an issue that has been resolved? Paying your own house help well, is an irrational decision as far as the market is concerned at that point in time (tragedy of the commons. Good for each individual procuring the labour services but bad for the economy in general in the medium to long term). Will there be guidlines for how much you can pay your help? What happens in the case that there are? People will obviously demand higher income from their employers (remember, lifestyle, like pricing, is sticky downwards). If they can actually enforce this then the question begs, why didn't they do that earlier - is it that the people in Kibera did not need intervention?
Land speculation is one such problem. Land is already on sale in the environs of Konza. Use landrates as a catalyst. Increase landrates (especially in commercial areas) to ensure that people build northwards (a good example of the tragedy that is our poor land rates is the Junction and their open air parking). A one acre piece of land in Upperhill is roughly 200M KES. Annual Land rates? 170,000 KES. Why wouldn't I speculate on the land? If, however, commercial zones had higher rates, I'd be forced to build northwards for the investment to make sense. The council will then have the money to supply necessary services to my land. The devaluation of the land will allow for the government to buy land for bypasses etc at a much lower rate.
The reality of the matter is not that Nairobi cannot be fixed (it's a tiny city in the grand scheme of things - Tokyo has a metropolis of 35 million people), it's that we lack the will to do it.
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Dan Kwach <dan.kwach@kdn.co.ke> wrote:
However sweet the masterplan reads...I think we need a lot more than the plan to ensure this project becomes a success....the involvement of different players with critical roles will ensure its success or death...someone once said that an "elephant is a rat built to Govnt specifications".
Proposal righting is a full time paying job...and we have spin masters who can do a spectucular job...
See the players and you will realise they might just have different viewpoints and goals so to speak...
From Kibaki's legacy of putting up first class infrastructure, it serves his tenure right that this noble idea picks up...the successor has the uphill task.....
Current PS - Bitange Ndemo's acumen in matters ICT is undisputable....this is Ndemo the individual...of whom I am certain scoring political points probably have no space in his thoughts and plans...his optimism is what we need for technological developments rare in the 3rd world....
From an Investors point of view - the very IT/ICT giants targeted, a SWOT and PEST - Political, Econimic, Social and Tech analysis will carry the day any time to make them see the opportunity as worth exploiting. Political stability ranks highly for them....my opinion...a simple goof and we are stuck with the plan....
One dangerous point of view is that of the land dealers...they are the smartest...they do their sw*O*t analysis in a rather biased manner....and make hay when the sun still shines...to them Opportunity comes first!
Nonetheless, the only way out is to ensure the different players appreciate the plan as is....Politicians should know their delicate role in ensuring investment opportunities are not thrown out of the window....and we might just need to clone Ndemo - pun intended!
Dan O.Kwach.
On 1/28/2013 4:19 PM, Kinuthia Ngugi wrote:
Ni wangapi wamesoma ruwaza rasmi ya Konza City? I thought so. If you look at the Konza Masterplan, it talks about all these things you have stated in way of infrastructure, but they are planned *in phases!*. What the president broke ground on is just the start of infrastructure development, the city is envisaged to take about 20yrs, thats why Kibaki insisted that day that the next president to continue vivyo hivyo!! As someone said, Rome wasnt built in day and with the right leadership this things can easily become reality. Even Thika Rd was said to be a pipe dream when the plans first came out, a short few yrs ago.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
@Joram
If the government's view is that Nairobi is irredeemable them we are lost!
Every major City - London, New York, Tokyo, Madrid has precisely the same problems that Nairobi had at some point. They wisely decided to fix the problems they were having rather than trash it and start afresh!
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Joram Mwinamo < joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
Many seem to believe the sentiments you have listed but i think it comes more from our distrust for the government(and impending elections) than the fact that a city can be built from scratch. I have had this argument with many who say that Konza will be a white elephant. what they however need to study is how similar projects have been done around the world from south korea(8 smart cities) ,to malaysia,to singapore , to china and closer to home egypt.
what the government is saying in short is "Nairobi is already messed up beyond repair, we are giving you a chance to invest in an ideal city and giving you incentives to do the same" .they are saying this to both locals and internationals. Internationals seem to be listening more.
As with anything else I could be wrong but if im right, a lot of people will be kicking themselves in the foot in 2017 for not going in, and if im wrong, well.....life goes on and a few very rich organisations lose a small part of their investment. i believe the former will be the case.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Kevin Omondi <kevin.ouma@gmail.com>wrote:
> This weekend I was excited chating with someone from an > International Tech company about the new opportunities in Konza Silicon > Savannah. > > He however asked me a question that got me thinking. > > If you were to go set up a campus today in Konza where would you > start. What he was saying is that the government should have first put up > the infrstructure i.e roads, water, sewage connectivity and then invited > investors to come in otherwise it is a piped dream. > > In other words, by the time Kibaki was breaking ground all these > needed to have been in place. > > What are your thoughts, how can this be made to work quickly. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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I still dont get this association between Konza and Nairobi? Konza is a techno city, thats all. Its not supposed to surplant Nairobi in any way, they are very different. At the end of it all, the idea is such that you can be working in Konza and even be living in Nairobi On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Claude,
This has been happening for one year, we have had several stakeholder forums, discussions on lists and even Bus trips to Konza organised by the government, we need to be interested.
Best Regards
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Claude D'souza <claudedsouza1@gmail.com>wrote:
Well put @Phares. Isn't it about time the government directly or through some kind of liaison found a way to reach out to professionals and the public alike to let them express their ideas,hints and fears about what's happening. Opening channels of communication could go a very long way
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com
wrote:
+1 Phares
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Phares <phares.kariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
I don't get why folks say Nairobi is irredeemable. New York had slums circa 1890. Rome has had worse infrastructure ownership issues than Nairobi (I'm quite sure given the number of historical buildings they cannot take down - as opposed to Nairobi, where, for the sake of our collective vision, we ought to take several hideous buildings down).
Let us say Konza takes off.. What happens to the five odd million people in Nairobi's greater metropolis? Do we flatten the city? Do we let the city collapse? Won't the property owners lose their margins?
New York, with more infrastructure than us has taken on the very same "Silicon Valley" that we are trying to own.
The most successful nations are those that adapt, not those that run away from their problems. The tragedy with Nairobi is that the land around the serviced land was developed in an unplanned manner. Konza Technopolis has it's land fenced off... Around Konza, unplanned structrues will mushroom. How do you handle this going forward?
There are simple solutions to the land 'mess' that we have in Nairobi. They are the same problems that affect land across the nation, so unless Konza is being built outside of the country, we will end up with the same mess. For example, slums - slums serve the very middle class that is being moved to Konza. Given that we (as Kenyans generally), don't pay our help well but cannot live without their services, they tend to live in the slums. The issue is not that they cannot move out, its' that they don't have the income to justify moving out. Is this an issue that has been resolved? Paying your own house help well, is an irrational decision as far as the market is concerned at that point in time (tragedy of the commons. Good for each individual procuring the labour services but bad for the economy in general in the medium to long term). Will there be guidlines for how much you can pay your help? What happens in the case that there are? People will obviously demand higher income from their employers (remember, lifestyle, like pricing, is sticky downwards). If they can actually enforce this then the question begs, why didn't they do that earlier - is it that the people in Kibera did not need intervention?
Land speculation is one such problem. Land is already on sale in the environs of Konza. Use landrates as a catalyst. Increase landrates (especially in commercial areas) to ensure that people build northwards (a good example of the tragedy that is our poor land rates is the Junction and their open air parking). A one acre piece of land in Upperhill is roughly 200M KES. Annual Land rates? 170,000 KES. Why wouldn't I speculate on the land? If, however, commercial zones had higher rates, I'd be forced to build northwards for the investment to make sense. The council will then have the money to supply necessary services to my land. The devaluation of the land will allow for the government to buy land for bypasses etc at a much lower rate.
The reality of the matter is not that Nairobi cannot be fixed (it's a tiny city in the grand scheme of things - Tokyo has a metropolis of 35 million people), it's that we lack the will to do it.
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Dan Kwach <dan.kwach@kdn.co.ke> wrote:
However sweet the masterplan reads...I think we need a lot more than the plan to ensure this project becomes a success....the involvement of different players with critical roles will ensure its success or death...someone once said that an "elephant is a rat built to Govnt specifications".
Proposal righting is a full time paying job...and we have spin masters who can do a spectucular job...
See the players and you will realise they might just have different viewpoints and goals so to speak...
From Kibaki's legacy of putting up first class infrastructure, it serves his tenure right that this noble idea picks up...the successor has the uphill task.....
Current PS - Bitange Ndemo's acumen in matters ICT is undisputable....this is Ndemo the individual...of whom I am certain scoring political points probably have no space in his thoughts and plans...his optimism is what we need for technological developments rare in the 3rd world....
From an Investors point of view - the very IT/ICT giants targeted, a SWOT and PEST - Political, Econimic, Social and Tech analysis will carry the day any time to make them see the opportunity as worth exploiting. Political stability ranks highly for them....my opinion...a simple goof and we are stuck with the plan....
One dangerous point of view is that of the land dealers...they are the smartest...they do their sw*O*t analysis in a rather biased manner....and make hay when the sun still shines...to them Opportunity comes first!
Nonetheless, the only way out is to ensure the different players appreciate the plan as is....Politicians should know their delicate role in ensuring investment opportunities are not thrown out of the window....and we might just need to clone Ndemo - pun intended!
Dan O.Kwach.
On 1/28/2013 4:19 PM, Kinuthia Ngugi wrote:
Ni wangapi wamesoma ruwaza rasmi ya Konza City? I thought so. If you look at the Konza Masterplan, it talks about all these things you have stated in way of infrastructure, but they are planned *in phases!*. What the president broke ground on is just the start of infrastructure development, the city is envisaged to take about 20yrs, thats why Kibaki insisted that day that the next president to continue vivyo hivyo!! As someone said, Rome wasnt built in day and with the right leadership this things can easily become reality. Even Thika Rd was said to be a pipe dream when the plans first came out, a short few yrs ago.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
@Joram
If the government's view is that Nairobi is irredeemable them we are lost!
Every major City - London, New York, Tokyo, Madrid has precisely the same problems that Nairobi had at some point. They wisely decided to fix the problems they were having rather than trash it and start afresh!
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Joram Mwinamo < joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
> Many seem to believe the sentiments you have listed but i think it > comes more from our distrust for the government(and impending elections) > than the fact that a city can be built from scratch. I have had this > argument with many who say that Konza will be a white elephant. what they > however need to study is how similar projects have been done around the > world from south korea(8 smart cities) ,to malaysia,to singapore , to china > and closer to home egypt. > > what the government is saying in short is "Nairobi is already > messed up beyond repair, we are giving you a chance to invest in an ideal > city and giving you incentives to do the same" .they are saying this to > both locals and internationals. Internationals seem to be listening more. > > As with anything else I could be wrong but if im right, a lot of > people will be kicking themselves in the foot in 2017 for not going in, and > if im wrong, well.....life goes on and a few very rich organisations lose a > small part of their investment. i believe the former will be the case. > > > On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Kevin Omondi <kevin.ouma@gmail.com > > wrote: > >> This weekend I was excited chating with someone from an >> International Tech company about the new opportunities in Konza Silicon >> Savannah. >> >> He however asked me a question that got me thinking. >> >> If you were to go set up a campus today in Konza where would you >> start. What he was saying is that the government should have first put up >> the infrstructure i.e roads, water, sewage connectivity and then invited >> investors to come in otherwise it is a piped dream. >> >> In other words, by the time Kibaki was breaking ground all these >> needed to have been in place. >> >> What are your thoughts, how can this be made to work quickly. >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > Sent from my Voice Recognition Watch© > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate,but that we are > powerful beyond measure.It is our light, not our darkness, that frightens > us.There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't > feel insecure around you.As we let our own light shine, we consciously give > other people permission to do the same. > As we are liberated from our fear,our presence automatically > liberates others. > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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Areba Collins [ ＠BrainiacKE ® ] -
Barrack Otieno -
Brian Ngure -
Claude D'souza -
Dan Kwach -
David Njuguna -
Jacob Ayienda -
Job Muriuki -
Joram Mwinamo -
Kevin Omondi -
Kinuthia Ngugi -
Mark Mwangi -
Phares -
Rad! -
Tusker 21