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trust Oracle to screw up the developer community. Moving forward, I invite all Mysql developers who can't pay upwards of 2, 000 dollars per year to jump ship to PostgreSQL :-) On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Glenn Sequeira <gsequeira@gmail.com> wrote:
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AtLeast there is postgres. On 4 November 2010 17:00, Erick Njenga <eriknjenga@gmail.com> wrote:
trust Oracle to screw up the developer community. Moving forward, I invite all Mysql developers who can't pay upwards of 2, 000 dollars per year to jump ship to PostgreSQL :-)
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I'm vouching for Nosql and "eventual consistency". On 11/4/10, Glenn Sequeira <gsequeira@gmail.com> wrote:
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@patric, noSql has its place in the heavy data world, so does the SQl favs like the now haunted mySql and postgres. my 2cents *_______________________________________________________________ its ok child, He's heard you * On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Patrick Kariuki <patrick.kariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
I'm vouching for Nosql and "eventual consistency".
On 11/4/10, Glenn Sequeira <gsequeira@gmail.com> wrote:
For users of MySQL with the InnoDB storage engine, you will now have to pay an annual subscription fee:
http://www.mysql.com/products/
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Thinking out aloud; Is it limited to what you describe as the 'heavy data word'? On 11/4/10, joe mwirigi <joemwirigi@gmail.com> wrote:
@patric, noSql has its place in the heavy data world, so does the SQl favs like the now haunted mySql and postgres.
my 2cents *_______________________________________________________________ its ok child, He's heard you *
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Patrick Kariuki <patrick.kariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
I'm vouching for Nosql and "eventual consistency".
On 11/4/10, Glenn Sequeira <gsequeira@gmail.com> wrote:
For users of MySQL with the InnoDB storage engine, you will now have to pay an annual subscription fee:
http://www.mysql.com/products/
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mmmh @patrick not really... may be i never got noSQl right but i thot its main intent is to reduce the number of many relations you have to make so as to reference some data point a billion rows below. If am working on a small tea application, my sql is just fine and fast enough. *_______________________________________________________________ its ok child, He's heard you * On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Patrick Kariuki <patrick.kariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
Thinking out aloud;
Is it limited to what you describe as the 'heavy data word'?
On 11/4/10, joe mwirigi <joemwirigi@gmail.com> wrote:
@patric, noSql has its place in the heavy data world, so does the SQl favs like the now haunted mySql and postgres.
my 2cents *_______________________________________________________________ its ok child, He's heard you *
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Patrick Kariuki <patrick.kariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
I'm vouching for Nosql and "eventual consistency".
On 11/4/10, Glenn Sequeira <gsequeira@gmail.com> wrote:
For users of MySQL with the InnoDB storage engine, you will now have to pay an annual subscription fee:
http://www.mysql.com/products/
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My analogy is i can drive to town in a off-road or as well do it with a mini-morris, Suppose i want to go to the mara... I may re-think my choice *_______________________________________________________________ its ok child, He's heard you * On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:30 PM, joe mwirigi <joemwirigi@gmail.com> wrote:
mmmh @patrick not really... may be i never got noSQl right but i thot its main intent is to reduce the number of many relations you have to make so as to reference some data point a billion rows below. If am working on a small tea application, my sql is just fine and fast enough.
*_______________________________________________________________ its ok child, He's heard you *
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Patrick Kariuki <patrick.kariuki@gmail.com
wrote:
Thinking out aloud;
Is it limited to what you describe as the 'heavy data word'?
On 11/4/10, joe mwirigi <joemwirigi@gmail.com> wrote:
@patric, noSql has its place in the heavy data world, so does the SQl favs like the now haunted mySql and postgres.
my 2cents *_______________________________________________________________ its ok child, He's heard you *
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Patrick Kariuki <patrick.kariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
I'm vouching for Nosql and "eventual consistency".
On 11/4/10, Glenn Sequeira <gsequeira@gmail.com> wrote:
For users of MySQL with the InnoDB storage engine, you will now have to pay an annual subscription fee:
http://www.mysql.com/products/
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I agree, but no telling what the likes of Oracle have in store for the open source community. It might seem very futuristic based on the fact that we rarely have companies working with Terabytes of web data in Kenya for months on end, but its probably worth a shot for businesses intending to offer 'cloud' based services.
I had a hunch that these Oracle guys would screw things up when they acquired Sun Microsystems. Hope someone had made a MySQL fork early enough... On 4 November 2010 19:56, Patrick Kariuki <patrick.kariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree, but no telling what the likes of Oracle have in store for the open source community. It might seem very futuristic based on the fact that we rarely have companies working with Terabytes of web data in Kenya for months on end, but its probably worth a shot for businesses intending to offer 'cloud' based services. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
http://mariadb.org/ On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Simon Mbuthia <simon.mbuthia@gmail.com>wrote:
I had a hunch that these Oracle guys would screw things up when they acquired Sun Microsystems. Hope someone had made a MySQL fork early enough...
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I agree, but no telling what the likes of Oracle have in store for the open source community. It might seem very futuristic based on the fact that we rarely have companies working with Terabytes of web data in Kenya for months on end, but its probably worth a shot for businesses intending to offer 'cloud' based services. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Glenn Sequeira <gsequeira@gmail.com> wrote:
For users of MySQL with the InnoDB storage engine, you will now have to pay an annual subscription fee:
Not entirely unexpected. I remember downloading everything of MySQL I could when rumours of the acquisition started, being paranoid as I usually am.... BR S -- This message represents the official view of the voices in my head.
If Mariadb works hard on what drove mysql, I bet it will catch the fire and mysql will remain an expensive db on th shelves while the community drives on maria and she too can fly. *_______________________________________________________________ its ok child, He's heard you * On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Glenn Sequeira <gsequeira@gmail.com> wrote:
For users of MySQL with the InnoDB storage engine, you will now have to pay an annual subscription fee:
Not entirely unexpected. I remember downloading everything of MySQL I could when rumours of the acquisition started, being paranoid as I usually am....
BR S
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Soon as MariaDB shows such symptoms as you describe, (surprise, surprise) Oracle will jump right in! On 5 November 2010 07:17, joe mwirigi <joemwirigi@gmail.com> wrote:
If Mariadb works hard on what drove mysql, I bet it will catch the fire and mysql will remain an expensive db on th shelves while the community drives on maria and she too can fly.
*_______________________________________________________________ its ok child, He's heard you *
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Glenn Sequeira <gsequeira@gmail.com> wrote:
For users of MySQL with the InnoDB storage engine, you will now have to pay an annual subscription fee:
Not entirely unexpected. I remember downloading everything of MySQL I could when rumours of the acquisition started, being paranoid as I usually am....
BR S
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i have been involved with MariaDB for a while now.... a little less nowdays though. I can tell you MariaDB 5.2 ... (MariaDB 5.3 is in the works) has virtually no known bugs. I stress known. The code is as or in my opinion much more stable than MySQL and recently someone offered a live database with terabytes and terabytes of data to specifically for the devs to test the performance of MariaDB (precisely the Aria Engine) on massive data sets. A little history. Its developed by the original MySQL devs. So that in itself vouches for the quality of the product. It has fixed some of the design errors MySQL initially had. The Aria Engine (A transaction safe version of MyISAM) and MaxDB should make you not want to use Innobase Engine. But that again is subjective. Nway if anyone has deep technical questions about MariaDB, installation, building, performance, migrating, blah blah you an get in touch with me offlist, I'd be happy to explain all I can. I will soon be officially supporting MariaDB but will let you guys know when Steve Obbayi Software Developer ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe mwirigi" <joemwirigi@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Friday, November 5, 2010 7:17:18 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] MySQL + InnoDB no longer free... If Mariadb works hard on what drove mysql, I bet it will catch the fire and mysql will remain an expensive db on th shelves while the community drives on maria and she too can fly. _______________________________________________________________ its ok child, He's heard you On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Steve Muchai < smuchai@gmail.com > wrote: On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Glenn Sequeira < gsequeira@gmail.com > wrote:
For users of MySQL with the InnoDB storage engine, you will now have to pay an annual subscription fee:
Not entirely unexpected. I remember downloading everything of MySQL I could when rumours of the acquisition started, being paranoid as I usually am.... BR S -- This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co..ke _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
Thats very encouraging Steve. Where can we get the source or binaries for download ? On 5 November 2010 07:32, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
i have been involved with MariaDB for a while now.... a little less nowdays though. I can tell you MariaDB 5.2 ... (MariaDB 5.3 is in the works) has virtually no known bugs. I stress known. The code is as or in my opinion much more stable than MySQL and recently someone offered a live database with terabytes and terabytes of data to specifically for the devs to test the performance of MariaDB (precisely the Aria Engine) on massive data sets.
A little history. Its developed by the original MySQL devs. So that in itself vouches for the quality of the product. It has fixed some of the design errors MySQL initially had. The Aria Engine (A transaction safe version of MyISAM) and MaxDB should make you not want to use Innobase Engine. But that again is subjective.
Nway if anyone has deep technical questions about MariaDB, installation, building, performance, migrating, blah blah you an get in touch with me offlist, I'd be happy to explain all I can. I will soon be officially supporting MariaDB but will let you guys know when
Steve Obbayi Software Developer
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If Mariadb works hard on what drove mysql, I bet it will catch the fire and mysql will remain an expensive db on th shelves while the community drives on maria and she too can fly.
*_______________________________________________________________ its ok child, He's heard you *
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Glenn Sequeira <gsequeira@gmail.com> wrote:
For users of MySQL with the InnoDB storage engine, you will now have to pay an annual subscription fee:
Not entirely unexpected. I remember downloading everything of MySQL I could when rumours of the acquisition started, being paranoid as I usually am....
BR S
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On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Ndungi Kyalo <ndungi@gmail.com> wrote:
Thats very encouraging Steve. Where can we get the source or binaries for download ?
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@steve, am without words!, Such is the spirit that births innovators and innovation,... some of whom cannot afford those commercial super-expensive tools to tests their skill set. I guess thats what opensource is all about. Creating enabling environments for people to innovate whether monied or not. The rewards usually come in cash, in kind and in brag rights :) *_______________________________________________________________ its ok child, He's heard you * On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
i have been involved with MariaDB for a while now.... a little less nowdays though. I can tell you MariaDB 5.2 ... (MariaDB 5.3 is in the works) has virtually no known bugs. I stress known. The code is as or in my opinion much more stable than MySQL and recently someone offered a live database with terabytes and terabytes of data to specifically for the devs to test the performance of MariaDB (precisely the Aria Engine) on massive data sets.
A little history. Its developed by the original MySQL devs. So that in itself vouches for the quality of the product. It has fixed some of the design errors MySQL initially had. The Aria Engine (A transaction safe version of MyISAM) and MaxDB should make you not want to use Innobase Engine. But that again is subjective.
Nway if anyone has deep technical questions about MariaDB, installation, building, performance, migrating, blah blah you an get in touch with me offlist, I'd be happy to explain all I can. I will soon be officially supporting MariaDB but will let you guys know when
Steve Obbayi Software Developer
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If Mariadb works hard on what drove mysql, I bet it will catch the fire and mysql will remain an expensive db on th shelves while the community drives on maria and she too can fly.
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On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Glenn Sequeira <gsequeira@gmail.com> wrote:
For users of MySQL with the InnoDB storage engine, you will now have to pay an annual subscription fee:
Not entirely unexpected. I remember downloading everything of MySQL I could when rumours of the acquisition started, being paranoid as I usually am....
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I like to add a few thots. I think as long as the US economy does well, various funding for such projects will be strong and the world can enjoy such facilities. When the same economy hits a bad patch, there will be aquisitions and the cycle starts again. Or MariaDB may become the best Db out there and larger companies would position themselves for a takeover? It is very strange that an project starts on open source, is used by millions and now by a takeover, those millions have turned into business worth billions. All the hardwork was done by the end users in deloyments etc. Sounds like an sick experiment. My question is, all those MySQL sites and applications that have been deployed, will the developers re-visit 1000's of sites and make the change to other DBs at no cost or if they charge for additional services will they be liable under support contracts that were signed. Since all the updates and bugs on MySql are considered as commercial updates, those who do not make the move are exposing themselves to hugh security issues unless they pay up? I don't do MySql but this seems quite interesting. The liabilites of supporting and developing on open source seem quite dangerious under a commercial license. Is this the case? :-) Rgds.
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:52 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
My question is, all those MySQL sites and applications that have been deployed, will the developers re-visit 1000's of sites and make the change to other DBs at no cost or if they charge for additional services will they be liable under support contracts that were signed. Since all the updates and bugs on MySql are considered as commercial updates, those who do not make the move are exposing themselves to hugh security issues unless they pay up?
MySQL is still open source by the way.
What is the difference and limitations between MySQL Community Server and the versions that OEMs, ISVs and VARs can purchase as commercial licenses?
Hello Aki, MySQL is licensed under a dual license. There is a community edition that is available under the GPL license - http://www.mysql.com/products/community/ If your project is GPL or compatible license then there is no need to change anything just download the latest Community Edition. - http://www.mysql.com/about/legal/licensing/foss-exception/ If your project is commercial then you need to purchase the appropriate license. 4 choices -> GPL your projects, Pay for Support, Do not upgrade /update and finally get alternatives like Maria -----Original Message----- From: aki <aki275@gmail.com> Reply-to: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] MySQL + InnoDB no longer free... Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 14:52:01 +0300 I like to add a few thots. I think as long as the US economy does well, various funding for such projects will be strong and the world can enjoy such facilities. When the same economy hits a bad patch, there will be aquisitions and the cycle starts again. Or MariaDB may become the best Db out there and larger companies would position themselves for a takeover? It is very strange that an project starts on open source, is used by millions and now by a takeover, those millions have turned into business worth billions. All the hardwork was done by the end users in deloyments etc. Sounds like an sick experiment. My question is, all those MySQL sites and applications that have been deployed, will the developers re-visit 1000's of sites and make the change to other DBs at no cost or if they charge for additional services will they be liable under support contracts that were signed. Since all the updates and bugs on MySql are considered as commercial updates, those who do not make the move are exposing themselves to hugh security issues unless they pay up? I don't do MySql but this seems quite interesting. The liabilites of supporting and developing on open source seem quite dangerious under a commercial license. Is this the case? :-) Rgds. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke -- Regards, Joe Murithi Njeru Linux User: #361092 SIP: joe.njeru@ekiga.net Twitter: http://twitter.com/joenjeru Blog: http://www.joenjeru.com
@Joe, thanks for that. I dont have any sites that use it but am quite interested as to the backlash this thing is going to create. Am sure I can google this but I know you all guys have checked. Have they defined the commercial aspect i.e per instance, per processor or per installation or what category is being used to define a commercial license? Eg, Webites that run MySql that do not generate traffic or Websites that earn a revenue from using MySql even for login-access? Does it also mean Ubuntu and the like will now stop providing LAMP ( now called LAP ) because they have no way of knowing the download use of the existing LAMP? Thnks for the patience. :-) On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Joe Murithi Njeru <joe.njeru@gmail.com>wrote:
Hello Aki,
MySQL is licensed under a dual license. There is a community edition that is available under the GPL license - http://www.mysql.com/products/community/
If your project is GPL or compatible license then there is no need to change anything just download the latest Community Edition. - http://www.mysql.com/about/legal/licensing/foss-exception/
If your project is commercial then you need to purchase the appropriate license.
4 choices -> GPL your projects, Pay for Support, Do not upgrade /update and finally get alternatives like Maria
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 3:32 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Does it also mean Ubuntu and the like will now stop providing LAMP ( now called LAP ) because they have no way of knowing the download use of the existing LAMP?
They will still distribute the mysql open source edition as always. Misuse is upon the licensee, not the distributor -- if you drive a car and hit a lamp-post -- they will hold you liable not the salesman who gave you the car.
@Ashok, have some humor. I was kidding about the LAP comment. I've been a FreeBSD user too. I think blaming Oracle for the prices that end users will have to pay is the best way out for people not to accept liabilties of offering commercial services on platforms that were probably never meant to be used commercially. Unfortunately, clients are going to have to pay for this ignorance unless they are smart and hold the developers or service providers to it. Under what licenses were they offered the software platform and now that platform has become commercial, what were they billed for? This seems like big issue in the making. Hopefully not. On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Ashok Hariharan <ashok@parliaments.info>wrote:
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 3:32 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Does it also mean Ubuntu and the like will now stop providing LAMP ( now called LAP ) because they have no way of knowing the download use of the existing LAMP?
They will still distribute the mysql open source edition as always. Misuse is upon the licensee, not the distributor -- if you drive a car and hit a lamp-post -- they will hold you liable not the salesman who gave you the car.
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 4:51 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Ashok, have some humor. I was kidding about the LAP comment. I've been a FreeBSD user too. I think blaming Oracle for the prices that end users will have to pay is the best way out for people not to accept liabilties of offering commercial services on platforms that were probably never meant to be used commercially. Unfortunately, clients are going to have to pay for this ignorance unless they are smart and hold the developers or service providers to it. Under what licenses were they offered the software platform and now that platform has become commercial, what were they billed for? This seems like big issue in the making. Hopefully not.
You have a fair question, the issue isnt new and you have to look a this on a case-by-case basis. for e.g. the mysql open source license has a "FLOSS license exception" which lets you link with the gpl mysql libraries (which is how every software out there accesses mysql) -- using software based on other FLOSS licenses (e.g. gpl3, bsd ...etc... ), which provides quite a bit of flexibility if you want to go a commercial / semi-commercial route. (even the Java platform has a similar licensing exception scheme) I dont think this is such a big issue in the making -- since it has been there since open source software came out i.e. some developer ignorantly trying to 'sell a license' for a solution based on incompatible open source licenses ...or someone 'buying licenses' for open source software... unfortunately there is no cure for ignorance other than proper research.
That's a good question. Do local companies that use MySQL as the basis for their products actually pay for commercial licenses? On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 3:32 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Joe, thanks for that. I dont have any sites that use it but am quite interested as to the backlash this thing is going to create.
Am sure I can google this but I know you all guys have checked. Have they defined the commercial aspect i.e per instance, per processor or per installation or what category is being used to define a commercial license? Eg, Webites that run MySql that do not generate traffic or Websites that earn a revenue from using MySql even for login-access?
Does it also mean Ubuntu and the like will now stop providing LAMP ( now called LAP ) because they have no way of knowing the download use of the existing LAMP?
Thnks for the patience. :-)
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Joe Murithi Njeru <joe.njeru@gmail.com>wrote:
Hello Aki,
MySQL is licensed under a dual license. There is a community edition that is available under the GPL license - http://www.mysql.com/products/community/
If your project is GPL or compatible license then there is no need to change anything just download the latest Community Edition. - http://www.mysql.com/about/legal/licensing/foss-exception/
If your project is commercial then you need to purchase the appropriate license.
4 choices -> GPL your projects, Pay for Support, Do not upgrade /update and finally get alternatives like Maria
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On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
That's a good question. Do local companies that use MySQL as the basis for their products actually pay for commercial licenses?
You dont need a commercial license for mysql if your selling a commercial application (closed source) which connects to mysql. You will need a commercial license only if your 're-distributing' mysql i.e. repackaging it ... or giving it in a cd-rom with your application package.
That does not sound accurate according to this http://www.mysql.com/about/legal/licensing/oem/ You can only use the OSS license if your application itself is Open Source There however seems to be a grey area for hosted web applications that use MySQL. But knowing Oracle this one will be shut down quick smart. On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 11:33 AM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info<ashok%2Bskunkworks@parliaments.info>
wrote:
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
That's a good question. Do local companies that use MySQL as the basis for their products actually pay for commercial licenses?
You dont need a commercial license for mysql if your selling a commercial application (closed source) which connects to mysql.
You will need a commercial license only if your 're-distributing' mysql i.e. repackaging it ... or giving it in a cd-rom with your application package. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
That does not sound accurate according to this http://www.mysql.com/about/legal/licensing/oem/ You can only use the OSS license if your application itself is Open Source There however seems to be a grey area for hosted web applications that use MySQL. But knowing Oracle this one will be shut down quick smart.
MySQL Community edition is GPL 2 http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html ... its been under gpl2 for a very long time. there is nothing in the gpl that prohibits commercial apps from connecting / querying / updating / destroying / deleting mysql. as long as you are not transmitting / redistributing mysql source / binaries with your closed source application - you dont need to buy any licenses. this is how the GPL works.
I don't follow I develop an application, for example Payroll for sale that happens to use MySQL as a backend and I DO NOT intend to release the source code of the app I need a commercial license. Are you telling me all I need to do to circumvent the commercial license is to ask my customers to download MySQL for themselves? On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 12:01 PM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info<ashok%2Bskunkworks@parliaments.info>
wrote:
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
That does not sound accurate according to this http://www.mysql.com/about/legal/licensing/oem/ You can only use the OSS license if your application itself is Open Source There however seems to be a grey area for hosted web applications that use MySQL. But knowing Oracle this one will be shut down quick smart.
MySQL Community edition is GPL 2 http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html ... its been under gpl2 for a very long time.
there is nothing in the gpl that prohibits commercial apps from connecting / querying / updating / destroying / deleting mysql.
as long as you are not transmitting / redistributing mysql source / binaries with your closed source application - you dont need to buy any licenses. this is how the GPL works. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't follow I develop an application, for example Payroll for sale that happens to use MySQL as a backend and I DO NOT intend to release the source code of the app I need a commercial license. Are you telling me all I need to do to circumvent the commercial license is to ask my customers to download MySQL for themselves?
Yes, exactly. As long as you dont distribute mysql with your payroll application you dont have to pay anybody anything.
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Glenn Sequeira <gsequeira@gmail.com> wrote:
For users of MySQL with the InnoDB storage engine, you will now have to pay an annual subscription fee: http://www.mysql.com/products/
My bad. The Community Edition of MySQL is still available for download. ~glenn
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