So some companies have made so much noise about Cloud computing I was recently forced to think back...... In 2005 i was involved in a project that developed a software for an airline....the software runs from our servers even upto this day and the company only pays a monthly fee for use of the software.....did we miss the word Cloud computing then? In 2001 when we installed SMS on tv (yes, the Big Question is that old), we actually had the entire system running from our servers and not KTN.....(yeah, now you know why the Arturs Bros didnt find it!)! I must credit KDN and Swift for having the infrastructure we used for then! Am sure similar scenarios existed in Kenya from other local developers. Does this mean Kenya had Cloud computing 10 years ago? - Do you see what issue i have with our ICT Board and our lack of speed in adopting new technologies? This to me explains how we lost M-PESA to the UK or KIKOY to i dont know who.... Tafakari hayo.... Regards
Yahoo/Hotmail are all iterations of cloud computing. The hullabaloo is primarily PR ... -- Regards, Phares Kaboro Kariuki -----Original Message----- From: bernard kioko <bernsoft@gmail.com> Sender: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 23:26:39 To: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke>; <skunkworks@my.co.ke> Reply-To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: [Skunkworks] Cloud Computing.... _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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@bernard - You hit it right and just got the words out of me, I have no idea while that board makes noise about what we have having for all this long, maybe they really need to quote you and all the others who have done alot in the cloud since way back! ./Ok3ch On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 6:24 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
The Airline reservation system has been run on a shared system since the 1970s . Marketers basically needed to sell the cloud, after achieving success with 4G
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I first heard the term 'internal cloud' from one of our customers. Upon probing on what exactly he meant, it was explained to me that he was talking of virtualizing infrastructure... Basically, if you run VMware/Hyper-V/Citrix-XenServer you run an 'internal cloud'. The term is now being loosely used. What saddens me though is when people assume that all 'clouds' are equal. e.g. When Safaricom announced their cloud, many assumed that you could do *everything* not realizing that it's limited to Infrastructure as a Service. It's unfortunate though :-(. On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@bernard - You hit it right and just got the words out of me, I have no idea while that board makes noise about what we have having for all this long, maybe they really need to quote you and all the others who have done alot in the cloud since way back!
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 6:24 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
The Airline reservation system has been run on a shared system since the 1970s . Marketers basically needed to sell the cloud, after achieving success with 4G
-- with Regards: blog.denniskioko.com
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@Phares, noob question:- So Safcom are not going to offer VPS on their "cloud"? Na vile I was running my hands in glee :-( On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
I first heard the term 'internal cloud' from one of our customers. Upon probing on what exactly he meant, it was explained to me that he was talking of virtualizing infrastructure... Basically, if you run VMware/Hyper-V/Citrix-XenServer you run an 'internal cloud'. The term is now being loosely used.
What saddens me though is when people assume that all 'clouds' are equal. e.g. When Safaricom announced their cloud, many assumed that you could do *everything* not realizing that it's limited to Infrastructure as a Service. It's unfortunate though :-(.
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@bernard - You hit it right and just got the words out of me, I have no idea while that board makes noise about what we have having for all this long, maybe they really need to quote you and all the others who have done alot in the cloud since way back!
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 6:24 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
The Airline reservation system has been run on a shared system since the 1970s . Marketers basically needed to sell the cloud, after achieving success with 4G
-- with Regards: blog.denniskioko.com
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I also find it dishertening. My thoughts are that marketers have been let on the rampage, been told there is this new thing and you need to sell it like ctazy. Personally, i signed up to rackspace cloud two weeks ago, before that was the amazon free tier that i guess qualifies as cloud, but before then and as far back as bernard says, its been an iteration of what could technically qualify as cloud. Linode VPS for instance... So every time someone asks me about this cloud thing, and if it will make them more powerful and up to date in IT, i say yes it will, not because it actually will but because they wont take it any other way. its either they are wrong or i just dont know how good cloud is, its even on TV!. On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Phares, noob question:- So Safcom are not going to offer VPS on their "cloud"? Na vile I was running my hands in glee :-(
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
I first heard the term 'internal cloud' from one of our customers. Upon probing on what exactly he meant, it was explained to me that he was talking of virtualizing infrastructure... Basically, if you run VMware/Hyper-V/Citrix-XenServer you run an 'internal cloud'. The term is now being loosely used.
What saddens me though is when people assume that all 'clouds' are equal. e.g. When Safaricom announced their cloud, many assumed that you could do *everything* not realizing that it's limited to Infrastructure as a Service. It's unfortunate though :-(.
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@bernard - You hit it right and just got the words out of me, I have no idea while that board makes noise about what we have having for all this long, maybe they really need to quote you and all the others who have done alot in the cloud since way back!
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 6:24 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
The Airline reservation system has been run on a shared system since the 1970s . Marketers basically needed to sell the cloud, after achieving success with 4G
-- with Regards: blog.denniskioko.com
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Anybody can cloud, cloud has been there, cloud is here cloud will be there, I notice when a small person does something the ICTB wo'nt see but when safaricom does they seem to see now that cloud is now here I call that 'PROFILE NEPOTISTIC DISORDER' where only huge investors are seen to perform and small ones are neglected Correct me If an SME buys two servers,Mirrors them and loads say a PHP/J2EE ERP with J2ME support its workers access the system anywhere do entry, process and plaha is this not 'a cloud' has this not been there in Kenya. by the way is this not cheap? safaricom cloud my .............### tab tab tab On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Phares, noob question:- So Safcom are not going to offer VPS on their "cloud"? Na vile I was running my hands in glee :-(
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
I first heard the term 'internal cloud' from one of our customers. Upon probing on what exactly he meant, it was explained to me that he was talking of virtualizing infrastructure... Basically, if you run VMware/Hyper-V/Citrix-XenServer you run an 'internal cloud'. The term is now being loosely used.
What saddens me though is when people assume that all 'clouds' are equal. e.g. When Safaricom announced their cloud, many assumed that you could do *everything* not realizing that it's limited to Infrastructure as a Service. It's unfortunate though :-(.
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@bernard - You hit it right and just got the words out of me, I have no idea while that board makes noise about what we have having for all this long, maybe they really need to quote you and all the others who have done alot in the cloud since way back!
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 6:24 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
The Airline reservation system has been run on a shared system since the 1970s . Marketers basically needed to sell the cloud, after achieving success with 4G
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Even the email and web hosting is a form of cloud computing. But lets face it, only safaricom can sell cloud computing and everyone sees the next big thing. Some small outfits have tried selling but have been dismissed. Its unfortunate but it is happening. On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Mickey Mickey <michaelakunga@gmail.com>wrote:
Anybody can cloud, cloud has been there, cloud is here cloud will be there, I notice when a small person does something the ICTB wo'nt see but when safaricom does they seem to see now that cloud is now here I call that 'PROFILE NEPOTISTIC DISORDER' where only huge investors are seen to perform and small ones are neglected Correct me If an SME buys two servers,Mirrors them and loads say a PHP/J2EE ERP with J2ME support its workers access the system anywhere do entry, process and plaha is this not 'a cloud' has this not been there in Kenya. by the way is this not cheap? safaricom cloud my .............### tab tab tab
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Phares, noob question:- So Safcom are not going to offer VPS on their "cloud"? Na vile I was running my hands in glee :-(
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
I first heard the term 'internal cloud' from one of our customers. Upon probing on what exactly he meant, it was explained to me that he was talking of virtualizing infrastructure... Basically, if you run VMware/Hyper-V/Citrix-XenServer you run an 'internal cloud'. The term is now being loosely used.
What saddens me though is when people assume that all 'clouds' are equal. e.g. When Safaricom announced their cloud, many assumed that you could do *everything* not realizing that it's limited to Infrastructure as a Service. It's unfortunate though :-(.
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@bernard - You hit it right and just got the words out of me, I have no idea while that board makes noise about what we have having for all this long, maybe they really need to quote you and all the others who have done alot in the cloud since way back!
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 6:24 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
The Airline reservation system has been run on a shared system since the 1970s . Marketers basically needed to sell the cloud, after achieving success with 4G
-- with Regards: blog.denniskioko.com
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@Nic is that why they own you manage, LOL? On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Nicholas Mutinda <mutindah@gmail.com>wrote:
Even the email and web hosting is a form of cloud computing. But lets face it, only safaricom can sell cloud computing and everyone sees the next big thing. Some small outfits have tried selling but have been dismissed. Its unfortunate but it is happening.
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Mickey Mickey <michaelakunga@gmail.com>wrote:
Anybody can cloud, cloud has been there, cloud is here cloud will be there, I notice when a small person does something the ICTB wo'nt see but when safaricom does they seem to see now that cloud is now here I call that 'PROFILE NEPOTISTIC DISORDER' where only huge investors are seen to perform and small ones are neglected Correct me If an SME buys two servers,Mirrors them and loads say a PHP/J2EE ERP with J2ME support its workers access the system anywhere do entry, process and plaha is this not 'a cloud' has this not been there in Kenya. by the way is this not cheap? safaricom cloud my .............### tab tab tab
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
@Phares, noob question:- So Safcom are not going to offer VPS on their "cloud"? Na vile I was running my hands in glee :-(
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
I first heard the term 'internal cloud' from one of our customers. Upon probing on what exactly he meant, it was explained to me that he was talking of virtualizing infrastructure... Basically, if you run VMware/Hyper-V/Citrix-XenServer you run an 'internal cloud'. The term is now being loosely used.
What saddens me though is when people assume that all 'clouds' are equal. e.g. When Safaricom announced their cloud, many assumed that you could do *everything* not realizing that it's limited to Infrastructure as a Service. It's unfortunate though :-(.
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@bernard - You hit it right and just got the words out of me, I have no idea while that board makes noise about what we have having for all this long, maybe they really need to quote you and all the others who have done alot in the cloud since way back!
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 6:24 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
The Airline reservation system has been run on a shared system since the 1970s . Marketers basically needed to sell the cloud, after achieving success with 4G
-- with Regards: blog.denniskioko.com
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@mickey hahaha nice one. I guess so Sent from my android mobile device On Nov 22, 2011 9:49 AM, "Mickey Mickey" <michaelakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
@Nic is that why they own you manage, LOL?
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Nicholas Mutinda <mutindah@gmail.com>wrote:
Even the email and web hosting is a form of cloud computing. But lets face it, only safaricom can sell cloud computing and everyone sees the next big thing. Some small outfits have tried selling but have been dismissed. Its unfortunate but it is happening.
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Mickey Mickey <michaelakunga@gmail.com>wrote:
Anybody can cloud, cloud has been there, cloud is here cloud will be there, I notice when a small person does something the ICTB wo'nt see but when safaricom does they seem to see now that cloud is now here I call that 'PROFILE NEPOTISTIC DISORDER' where only huge investors are seen to perform and small ones are neglected Correct me If an SME buys two servers,Mirrors them and loads say a PHP/J2EE ERP with J2ME support its workers access the system anywhere do entry, process and plaha is this not 'a cloud' has this not been there in Kenya. by the way is this not cheap? safaricom cloud my .............### tab tab tab
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
@Phares, noob question:- So Safcom are not going to offer VPS on their "cloud"? Na vile I was running my hands in glee :-(
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
I first heard the term 'internal cloud' from one of our customers. Upon probing on what exactly he meant, it was explained to me that he was talking of virtualizing infrastructure... Basically, if you run VMware/Hyper-V/Citrix-XenServer you run an 'internal cloud'. The term is now being loosely used.
What saddens me though is when people assume that all 'clouds' are equal. e.g. When Safaricom announced their cloud, many assumed that you could do *everything* not realizing that it's limited to Infrastructure as a Service. It's unfortunate though :-(.
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@bernard - You hit it right and just got the words out of me, I have no idea while that board makes noise about what we have having for all this long, maybe they really need to quote you and all the others who have done alot in the cloud since way back!
./Ok3ch
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Well, IMO most local outfits do not put as much emphasis/investment on their marketing strategy. Unfortunately techies tend to water down their pitches with too much jargon for the common mwananchi. Take for example, the pitch for the iPod, '1000 songs in your pocket', versus the myriad of pre-existing mp3 players in the market which were '5GB'+. Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. I think the term 'cloud' should always be qualified more by the benefits to the users in lay terms. On 11/22/11, Nicholas Mutinda <mutindah@gmail.com> wrote:
Even the email and web hosting is a form of cloud computing. But lets face it, only safaricom can sell cloud computing and everyone sees the next big thing. Some small outfits have tried selling but have been dismissed. Its unfortunate but it is happening.
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Mickey Mickey <michaelakunga@gmail.com>wrote:
Anybody can cloud, cloud has been there, cloud is here cloud will be there, I notice when a small person does something the ICTB wo'nt see but when safaricom does they seem to see now that cloud is now here I call that 'PROFILE NEPOTISTIC DISORDER' where only huge investors are seen to perform and small ones are neglected Correct me If an SME buys two servers,Mirrors them and loads say a PHP/J2EE ERP with J2ME support its workers access the system anywhere do entry, process and plaha is this not 'a cloud' has this not been there in Kenya. by the way is this not cheap? safaricom cloud my .............### tab tab tab
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Phares, noob question:- So Safcom are not going to offer VPS on their "cloud"? Na vile I was running my hands in glee :-(
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
I first heard the term 'internal cloud' from one of our customers. Upon probing on what exactly he meant, it was explained to me that he was talking of virtualizing infrastructure... Basically, if you run VMware/Hyper-V/Citrix-XenServer you run an 'internal cloud'. The term is now being loosely used.
What saddens me though is when people assume that all 'clouds' are equal. e.g. When Safaricom announced their cloud, many assumed that you could do *everything* not realizing that it's limited to Infrastructure as a Service. It's unfortunate though :-(.
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@bernard - You hit it right and just got the words out of me, I have no idea while that board makes noise about what we have having for all this long, maybe they really need to quote you and all the others who have done alot in the cloud since way back!
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 6:24 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
The Airline reservation system has been run on a shared system since the 1970s . Marketers basically needed to sell the cloud, after achieving success with 4G
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We had hosted some software service when my partner said to me. ... I think we should get to the cloud :( Am comforted that am not alone here rgds *_______________________________________________________________ its ok child, He's heard you * On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Edward Obiko <edobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, IMO most local outfits do not put as much emphasis/investment on their marketing strategy. Unfortunately techies tend to water down their pitches with too much jargon for the common mwananchi. Take for example, the pitch for the iPod, '1000 songs in your pocket', versus the myriad of pre-existing mp3 players in the market which were '5GB'+. Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. I think the term 'cloud' should always be qualified more by the benefits to the users in lay terms.
On 11/22/11, Nicholas Mutinda <mutindah@gmail.com> wrote:
Even the email and web hosting is a form of cloud computing. But lets face it, only safaricom can sell cloud computing and everyone sees the next big thing. Some small outfits have tried selling but have been dismissed. Its unfortunate but it is happening.
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Mickey Mickey <michaelakunga@gmail.com>wrote:
Anybody can cloud, cloud has been there, cloud is here cloud will be there, I notice when a small person does something the ICTB wo'nt see but when safaricom does they seem to see now that cloud is now here I call that 'PROFILE NEPOTISTIC DISORDER' where only huge investors are seen to perform and small ones are neglected Correct me If an SME buys two servers,Mirrors them and loads say a PHP/J2EE ERP with J2ME support its workers access the system anywhere do entry, process and plaha is this not 'a cloud' has this not been there in Kenya. by the way is this not cheap? safaricom cloud my .............### tab tab tab
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Phares, noob question:- So Safcom are not going to offer VPS on their "cloud"? Na vile I was running my hands in glee :-(
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
I first heard the term 'internal cloud' from one of our customers. Upon probing on what exactly he meant, it was explained to me that he was talking of virtualizing infrastructure... Basically, if you run VMware/Hyper-V/Citrix-XenServer you run an 'internal cloud'. The term is now being loosely used.
What saddens me though is when people assume that all 'clouds' are equal. e.g. When Safaricom announced their cloud, many assumed that you could do *everything* not realizing that it's limited to Infrastructure as a Service. It's unfortunate though :-(.
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@bernard - You hit it right and just got the words out of me, I have no idea while that board makes noise about what we have having for all this long, maybe they really need to quote you and all the others who have done alot in the cloud since way back!
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 6:24 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote: > The Airline reservation system has been run on a shared system since the > 1970s . Marketers basically needed to sell the cloud, after achieving > success with 4G > > -- > with Regards: > blog.denniskioko.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------
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I agree with @Edobie, the product packaging and marketing side of solutions is largely ignored by most. A few years ago the buzz word was Virtualization, now it is Cloud and as James mentioned, the next agenda is Green Computing. Solution providers must learn and work with people well versed in product packaging, and pitch their solutions in a manner that their target market understands. Think about it: Most product promotions nowadays are in Swahili phrases,Shinda Mamilli, Nguruma, Bankika, etc. A product like Ushahidi has a strong balance between the solution itself and its pitching/pitchers and branding. On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:05 AM, joe mwirigi <joemwirigi@gmail.com> wrote:
We had hosted some software service when my partner said to me. ... I think we should get to the cloud :( Am comforted that am not alone here
rgds
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On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Edward Obiko <edobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, IMO most local outfits do not put as much emphasis/investment on their marketing strategy. Unfortunately techies tend to water down their pitches with too much jargon for the common mwananchi. Take for example, the pitch for the iPod, '1000 songs in your pocket', versus the myriad of pre-existing mp3 players in the market which were '5GB'+. Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. I think the term 'cloud' should always be qualified more by the benefits to the users in lay terms.
On 11/22/11, Nicholas Mutinda <mutindah@gmail.com> wrote:
Even the email and web hosting is a form of cloud computing. But lets face it, only safaricom can sell cloud computing and everyone sees the next big thing. Some small outfits have tried selling but have been dismissed. Its unfortunate but it is happening.
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Mickey Mickey <michaelakunga@gmail.com>wrote:
Anybody can cloud, cloud has been there, cloud is here cloud will be there, I notice when a small person does something the ICTB wo'nt see but when safaricom does they seem to see now that cloud is now here I call that 'PROFILE NEPOTISTIC DISORDER' where only huge investors are seen to perform and small ones are neglected Correct me If an SME buys two servers,Mirrors them and loads say a PHP/J2EE ERP with J2ME support its workers access the system anywhere do entry, process and plaha is this not 'a cloud' has this not been there in Kenya. by the way is this not cheap? safaricom cloud my .............### tab tab tab
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Phares, noob question:- So Safcom are not going to offer VPS on their "cloud"? Na vile I was running my hands in glee :-(
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
I first heard the term 'internal cloud' from one of our customers. Upon probing on what exactly he meant, it was explained to me that he was talking of virtualizing infrastructure... Basically, if you run VMware/Hyper-V/Citrix-XenServer you run an 'internal cloud'. The term is now being loosely used.
What saddens me though is when people assume that all 'clouds' are equal. e.g. When Safaricom announced their cloud, many assumed that you could do *everything* not realizing that it's limited to Infrastructure as a Service. It's unfortunate though :-(.
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote: > @bernard - You hit it right and just got the words out of me, I have > no idea while that board makes noise about what we have having for all > this long, maybe they really need to quote you and all the others who > have done alot in the cloud since way back! > > ./Ok3ch > > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 6:24 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote: >> The Airline reservation system has been run on a shared system since the >> 1970s . Marketers basically needed to sell the cloud, after achieving >> success with 4G >> >> -- >> with Regards: >> blog.denniskioko.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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While at it check this one out http://www.howwemadeitinafrica.com/exclusive-interview-the-woman-behind-m-pe.... This was a lost opportunity for us to shine. On 11/22/2011 11:06 AM, William Warero wrote:
I agree with @Edobie, the product packaging and marketing side of solutions is largely ignored by most.
A few years ago the buzz word was Virtualization, now it is Cloud and as James mentioned, the next agenda is Green Computing.
Solution providers must learn and work with people well versed in product packaging, and pitch their solutions in a manner that their target market understands.
Think about it: Most product promotions nowadays are in Swahili phrases,Shinda Mamilli, Nguruma, Bankika, etc.
A product like Ushahidi has a strong balance between the solution itself and its pitching/pitchers and branding.
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:05 AM, joe mwirigi <joemwirigi@gmail.com <mailto:joemwirigi@gmail.com>> wrote:
We had hosted some software service when my partner said to me. ... I think we should get to the cloud :( Am comforted that am not alone here
rgds
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On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Edward Obiko <edobie@gmail.com <mailto:edobie@gmail.com>> wrote:
Well, IMO most local outfits do not put as much emphasis/investment on their marketing strategy. Unfortunately techies tend to water down their pitches with too much jargon for the common mwananchi. Take for example, the pitch for the iPod, '1000 songs in your pocket', versus the myriad of pre-existing mp3 players in the market which were '5GB'+. Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. I think the term 'cloud' should always be qualified more by the benefits to the users in lay terms.
On 11/22/11, Nicholas Mutinda <mutindah@gmail.com <mailto:mutindah@gmail.com>> wrote: > Even the email and web hosting is a form of cloud computing. But lets face > it, only safaricom can sell cloud computing and everyone sees the next big > thing. Some small outfits have tried selling but have been dismissed. Its > unfortunate but it is happening. > > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Mickey Mickey > <michaelakunga@gmail.com <mailto:michaelakunga@gmail.com>>wrote: > >> Anybody can cloud, cloud has been there, cloud is here cloud will be >> there, I notice when a small person does something the ICTB wo'nt see but >> when safaricom does they seem to see now that cloud is now here I call >> that >> 'PROFILE NEPOTISTIC DISORDER' where only huge investors are seen to >> perform >> and small ones are neglected >> Correct me >> If an SME buys two servers,Mirrors them and loads say a PHP/J2EE ERP with >> J2ME support its workers access the system anywhere do entry, process and >> plaha is this not 'a cloud' has this not been there in Kenya. >> by the way is this not cheap? >> safaricom cloud my .............### tab tab tab >> >> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com <mailto:pkarunyu@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>> @Phares, noob question:- So Safcom are not going to offer VPS on their >>> "cloud"? Na vile I was running my hands in glee :-( >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Phares Kariuki >>> <pkariuki@gmail.com <mailto:pkariuki@gmail.com>>wrote: >>> >>>> I first heard the term 'internal cloud' from one of our customers. >>>> Upon probing on what exactly he meant, it was explained to me that he >>>> was talking of virtualizing infrastructure... Basically, if you run >>>> VMware/Hyper-V/Citrix-XenServer you run an 'internal cloud'. The term >>>> is now being loosely used. >>>> >>>> What saddens me though is when people assume that all 'clouds' are >>>> equal. e.g. When Safaricom announced their cloud, many assumed that >>>> you could do *everything* not realizing that it's limited to >>>> Infrastructure as a Service. It's unfortunate though :-(. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com <mailto:okechukwu@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> > @bernard - You hit it right and just got the words out of me, I have >>>> > no idea while that board makes noise about what we have having for all >>>> > this long, maybe they really need to quote you and all the others who >>>> > have done alot in the cloud since way back! >>>> > >>>> > ./Ok3ch >>>> > >>>> > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 6:24 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com <mailto:dmbuvi@gmail.com>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> The Airline reservation system has been run on a shared system since >>>> the >>>> >> 1970s . Marketers basically needed to sell the cloud, after achieving >>>> >> success with 4G >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> with Regards: >>>> >> blog.denniskioko.com <http://blog.denniskioko.com> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> Skunkworks mailing list >>>> >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> >>>> >> ------------ >>>> >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> >> ------------ >>>> >> >>>> >> Skunkworks Rules >>>> >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 <http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94> >>>> >> ------------ >>>> >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >> >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Skunkworks mailing list >>>> > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> >>>> > ------------ >>>> > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> > ------------ >>>> > >>>> > Skunkworks Rules >>>> > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 <http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94> >>>> > ------------ >>>> > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Warm Regards, >>>> >>>> Phares Kaboro Kariuki >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 <http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94> >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 <http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94> >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> MICHAEL A. 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I agree, its pure PR. Even desktop virtualisation is nothing new. It was there the days of terminals....the the coming of windows OS encouraged desktops (too mush resources which are not fully utilized, power wastage and many more). We are now shouting all over of desktop virtualisation and its role in Green computing. Maybe the only new thing in the whole mix is server virtualisation. James On 11/22/2011 8:31 AM, Phares Kariuki wrote:
I first heard the term 'internal cloud' from one of our customers. Upon probing on what exactly he meant, it was explained to me that he was talking of virtualizing infrastructure... Basically, if you run VMware/Hyper-V/Citrix-XenServer you run an 'internal cloud'. The term is now being loosely used.
What saddens me though is when people assume that all 'clouds' are equal. e.g. When Safaricom announced their cloud, many assumed that you could do *everything* not realizing that it's limited to Infrastructure as a Service. It's unfortunate though :-(.
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Okechukwu<okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@bernard - You hit it right and just got the words out of me, I have no idea while that board makes noise about what we have having for all this long, maybe they really need to quote you and all the others who have done alot in the cloud since way back!
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 6:24 AM, Dennis Kioko<dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
The Airline reservation system has been run on a shared system since the 1970s . Marketers basically needed to sell the cloud, after achieving success with 4G
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All isp services and networks were basically cloud services. advances and changes in the data center are driving change everywhere else. Unfortunately marketing and pr is louder - calling it cloud just sounds wrong- .heck they ( marketing/pr) still get more budget than engineering teams get for training...soon the chickens will come home to roost.....i'll be rich:-) Gitau Sent from my iPad On Nov 22, 2011, at 7:36 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@bernard - You hit it right and just got the words out of me, I have no idea while that board makes noise about what we have having for all this long, maybe they really need to quote you and all the others who have done alot in the cloud since way back!
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 6:24 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
The Airline reservation system has been run on a shared system since the 1970s . Marketers basically needed to sell the cloud, after achieving success with 4G
-- with Regards: blog.denniskioko.com
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On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:16 PM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
All isp services and networks were basically cloud services.
advances and changes in the data center are driving change everywhere else. Unfortunately marketing and pr is louder - calling it cloud just sounds wrong- .heck they ( marketing/pr) still get more budget than engineering teams get for training...soon the chickens will come home to roost.....i'll be rich:-)
Gitau
Sent from my iPad
@John and network group. IMHO, one of the potential of the network group is the ability to change the kenyan network scene through shared ideas of what the future could hold. I see that one day in the near future, there will be born a service provider based on the core of network engineers who can provide one of the most critical systems ever. It will depend on the passion of what you want done, it is now starting to fall in your hands i.e the network group. That day, KE will be proud of the best of the best that we have ever produced. It is just a matter of time, and the next time you all come across investors at your meets, please show them what can be done with their investments to not only change the KE network landscape but also the business potential that very much still exists. What @Bernard has not told you on this thread is that he saw full commercial potential worth millions of Kshs of using a zero investment free software gateway like e.g Kannel as an SMS gateway to be able to deliver SMS services. You in the network areas would have waited for 5 years for a financial approvals to install a very expensive but a professional commercial gateway, thus the marketing budgets would not exist. So to ensure that all in the network group are successful, and though I cannot participate but understand networking well enough, I'll ensure that the network group are always on par with the rest who can easily run you out on competitve areas if you ever go commercial. So please count on my indirect support, if it helps. In a nutshell : On the same note, I think some of our freedom software developers will charge Kenyan companies a lot of money for services rendered which really puts progress on the back seat. But when external forces come into the market, in the form of innovation ( it's relative ) they fully embrace it as ground breaking and shun local business for lack of progress. And the same external forces will also use the e.g. KICTB as a marketing tool under the heading of innovation. Rather than KICTB having meets and passing on the market trends and options available to local businesses, they are expecting Kenyan companies to embrace technology on high costs who may not have any knowledge that they too can so easily exploit the freedom software industry. To put my theory to test, I'd like someone in the network group to approach any Kenyan company that sells an SMS gateway that could be used in cloud service. Then please come back and let us know the costs of this, what software or hardware is used, and you will see what my whole issues are about. This is a global problem too. Best of success to the network group and cloud services too. :-) Some thots. -- **--If I ever wrote code on a system for the better of consumer freedoms or choice, I'd rather create the complete system with people who share the same views than give out a single line of code to code thieves who will use it to defeat the principles of freedom and choices---2011--Me--**
@aki I would like correct you on two items: 1. We developed our own custom SMS gateway from ground using libraries licensed at a fee of $200 then! In 2001 that was lots dof money for us. Btw there were short codes then so we had to use a nokia phone attached to a comp....long story. I spent 2 nights working it out. 2. We actually do offer our gateway as a cloud service. No fees is payable except the cost of SMS sent. I think we have solutions within Kenya......we probably need to develop our own local market place..... On Tuesday, November 22, 2011, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:16 PM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
All isp services and networks were basically cloud services.
advances and changes in the data center are driving change everywhere
else. Unfortunately marketing and pr is louder - calling it cloud just sounds wrong- .heck they ( marketing/pr) still get more budget than engineering teams get for training...soon the chickens will come home to roost.....i'll be rich:-)
Gitau
Sent from my iPad
@John and network group. IMHO, one of the potential of the network group is the ability to change the kenyan network scene through shared ideas of what the future could hold. I see that one day in the near future, there will be born a service provider based on the core of network engineers who can provide one of the most critical systems ever. It will depend on the passion of what you want done, it is now starting to fall in your hands i.e the network group. That day, KE will be proud of the best of the best that we have ever produced. It is just a matter of time, and the next time you all come across investors at your meets, please show them what can be done with their investments to not only change the KE network landscape but also the business potential that very much still exists.
What @Bernard has not told you on this thread is that he saw full commercial potential worth millions of Kshs of using a zero investment free software gateway like e.g Kannel as an SMS gateway to be able to deliver SMS services. You in the network areas would have waited for 5 years for a financial approvals to install a very expensive but a professional commercial gateway, thus the marketing budgets would not exist. So to ensure that all in the network group are successful, and though I cannot participate but understand networking well enough, I'll ensure that the network group are always on par with the rest who can easily run you out on competitve areas if you ever go commercial. So please count on my indirect support, if it helps.
In a nutshell : On the same note, I think some of our freedom software developers will charge Kenyan companies a lot of money for services rendered which really puts progress on the back seat. But when external forces come into the market, in the form of innovation ( it's relative ) they fully embrace it as ground breaking and shun local business for lack of progress. And the same external forces will also use the e.g. KICTB as a marketing tool under the heading of innovation. Rather than KICTB having meets and passing on the market trends and options available to local businesses, they are expecting Kenyan companies to embrace technology on high costs who may not have any knowledge that they too can so easily exploit the freedom software industry. To put my theory to test, I'd like someone in the network group to approach any Kenyan company that sells an SMS gateway that could be used in cloud service. Then please come back and let us know the costs of this, what software or hardware is used, and you will see what my whole issues are about. This is a global problem too.
Best of success to the network group and cloud services too. :-)
Some thots.
--
**--If I ever wrote code on a system for the better of consumer freedoms or choice, I'd rather create the complete system with people who share the same views than give out a single line of code to code thieves who will use it to defeat the principles of freedom and choices---2011--Me--**
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 11:56 PM, bernard kioko <bernsoft@gmail.com> wrote:
@aki I would like correct you on two items:
1. We developed our own custom SMS gateway from ground using libraries licensed at a fee of $200 then! In 2001 that was lots dof money for us. Btw there were short codes then so we had to use a nokia phone attached to a comp....long story. I spent 2 nights working it out.
2. We actually do offer our gateway as a cloud service. No fees is payable except the cost of SMS sent.
I think we have solutions within Kenya......we probably need to develop our own local market place.....
@Bernard, thnks much for the correction. :-) Am just a few more thots. While as a developer then, you were able to exploit the almost free nature of free software for a very big business. And every business looks for a competitive edge, so you were correct in your competitive edge. However, can you imagine network companies who use products would have had to buy say e.g. a Nokia Messaging Gateway which at that time had huge investment costs. So many ISPs would put on hold major investments and ultimatly it is Kenyans who would loose out because of the few years delay in implemeting the SMS gateway technologies. But after almost 15 years of the Kenyan Mobile Industry, there still is a dominant practise in the e.g. SMS gateway. Those who know and use free software are practising dominant business practises when they use freedom software because none until today has opened it up for many people to participate. They offer it as a service, and not as a platform open to many Kenyan businesses who would want to venture into such. Kenyans continue to be left behind on the technology front. To make the cloud successful is not only creating and finding the market place, it is also how much the costs would be to Network companies to roll out such. But when we will have an outsider company who will use the same free software to introduce an SMS gateway platform for Kenyan companies, then we will call it innovative and we will all read about it by the same Technologists who prevented its mass use in the first place. This is just the tip of the iceberg....... Let us hope things will change in the future. :-) -- **--If I ever wrote code on a system for the better of consumer freedoms or choice, I'd rather create the complete system with people who share the same views than give out a single line of code to code thieves who will use it to defeat the principles of freedom and choices---2011--Me--**
May I suggest that we develop a catalog for all working cloud services and providers in Kenya. I guess this will make possible for people to use Kenya as this "cloud" wave sweeps. I have a feeling that we have most of what we need locally. Only that each one of us with the service is keeping quiet hoping that people will miraculously learn about it. James On 11/22/2011 11:56 PM, bernard kioko wrote:
@aki I would like correct you on two items:
1. We developed our own custom SMS gateway from ground using libraries licensed at a fee of $200 then! In 2001 that was lots dof money for us. Btw there were short codes then so we had to use a nokia phone attached to a comp....long story. I spent 2 nights working it out.
2. We actually do offer our gateway as a cloud service. No fees is payable except the cost of SMS sent.
I think we have solutions within Kenya......we probably need to develop our own local market place.....
On Tuesday, November 22, 2011, aki <aki275@gmail.com <mailto:aki275@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:16 PM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com <mailto:jgitau@gmail.com>> wrote:
All isp services and networks were basically cloud services.
advances and changes in the data center are driving change
everywhere else. Unfortunately marketing and pr is louder - calling it cloud just sounds wrong- .heck they ( marketing/pr) still get more budget than engineering teams get for training...soon the chickens will come home to roost.....i'll be rich:-)
Gitau
Sent from my iPad
@John and network group. IMHO, one of the potential of the network group is the ability to change the kenyan network scene through shared ideas of what the future could hold. I see that one day in the near future, there will be born a service provider based on the core of network engineers who can provide one of the most critical systems ever. It will depend on the passion of what you want done, it is now starting to fall in your hands i.e the network group. That day, KE will be proud of the best of the best that we have ever produced. It is just a matter of time, and the next time you all come across investors at your meets, please show them what can be done with their investments to not only change the KE network landscape but also the business potential that very much still exists.
What @Bernard has not told you on this thread is that he saw full commercial potential worth millions of Kshs of using a zero investment free software gateway like e.g Kannel as an SMS gateway to be able to deliver SMS services. You in the network areas would have waited for 5 years for a financial approvals to install a very expensive but a professional commercial gateway, thus the marketing budgets would not exist. So to ensure that all in the network group are successful, and though I cannot participate but understand networking well enough, I'll ensure that the network group are always on par with the rest who can easily run you out on competitve areas if you ever go commercial. So please count on my indirect support, if it helps.
In a nutshell : On the same note, I think some of our freedom software developers will charge Kenyan companies a lot of money for services rendered which really puts progress on the back seat. But when external forces come into the market, in the form of innovation ( it's relative ) they fully embrace it as ground breaking and shun local business for lack of progress. And the same external forces will also use the e.g. KICTB as a marketing tool under the heading of innovation. Rather than KICTB having meets and passing on the market trends and options available to local businesses, they are expecting Kenyan companies to embrace technology on high costs who may not have any knowledge that they too can so easily exploit the freedom software industry. To put my theory to test, I'd like someone in the network group to approach any Kenyan company that sells an SMS gateway that could be used in cloud service. Then please come back and let us know the costs of this, what software or hardware is used, and you will see what my whole issues are about. This is a global problem too.
Best of success to the network group and cloud services too. :-)
Some thots.
--
**--If I ever wrote code on a system for the better of consumer freedoms or choice, I'd rather create the complete system with people who share the same views than give out a single line of code to code thieves who will use it to defeat the principles of freedom and choices---2011--Me--**
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James, Thats a good suggestion.....am thinking.....n thinking..... Regards On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:42 AM, James Kagwe <kagwejg@gmail.com> wrote:
May I suggest that we develop a catalog for all working cloud services and providers in Kenya. I guess this will make possible for people to use Kenya as this "cloud" wave sweeps. I have a feeling that we have most of what we need locally. Only that each one of us with the service is keeping quiet hoping that people will miraculously learn about it.
James
On 11/22/2011 11:56 PM, bernard kioko wrote:
@aki I would like correct you on two items:
1. We developed our own custom SMS gateway from ground using libraries licensed at a fee of $200 then! In 2001 that was lots dof money for us. Btw there were short codes then so we had to use a nokia phone attached to a comp....long story. I spent 2 nights working it out.
2. We actually do offer our gateway as a cloud service. No fees is payable except the cost of SMS sent.
I think we have solutions within Kenya......we probably need to develop our own local market place.....
On Tuesday, November 22, 2011, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:16 PM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
All isp services and networks were basically cloud services.
advances and changes in the data center are driving change everywhere
else. Unfortunately marketing and pr is louder - calling it cloud just sounds wrong- .heck they ( marketing/pr) still get more budget than engineering teams get for training...soon the chickens will come home to roost.....i'll be rich:-)
Gitau
Sent from my iPad
@John and network group. IMHO, one of the potential of the network group is the ability to change the kenyan network scene through shared ideas of what the future could hold. I see that one day in the near future, there will be born a service provider based on the core of network engineers who can provide one of the most critical systems ever. It will depend on the passion of what you want done, it is now starting to fall in your hands i.e the network group. That day, KE will be proud of the best of the best that we have ever produced. It is just a matter of time, and the next time you all come across investors at your meets, please show them what can be done with their investments to not only change the KE network landscape but also the business potential that very much still exists.
What @Bernard has not told you on this thread is that he saw full commercial potential worth millions of Kshs of using a zero investment free software gateway like e.g Kannel as an SMS gateway to be able to deliver SMS services. You in the network areas would have waited for 5 years for a financial approvals to install a very expensive but a professional commercial gateway, thus the marketing budgets would not exist. So to ensure that all in the network group are successful, and though I cannot participate but understand networking well enough, I'll ensure that the network group are always on par with the rest who can easily run you out on competitve areas if you ever go commercial. So please count on my indirect support, if it helps.
In a nutshell : On the same note, I think some of our freedom software developers will charge Kenyan companies a lot of money for services rendered which really puts progress on the back seat. But when external forces come into the market, in the form of innovation ( it's relative ) they fully embrace it as ground breaking and shun local business for lack of progress. And the same external forces will also use the e.g. KICTB as a marketing tool under the heading of innovation. Rather than KICTB having meets and passing on the market trends and options available to local businesses, they are expecting Kenyan companies to embrace technology on high costs who may not have any knowledge that they too can so easily exploit the freedom software industry. To put my theory to test, I'd like someone in the network group to approach any Kenyan company that sells an SMS gateway that could be used in cloud service. Then please come back and let us know the costs of this, what software or hardware is used, and you will see what my whole issues are about. This is a global problem too.
Best of success to the network group and cloud services too. :-)
Some thots.
--
**--If I ever wrote code on a system for the better of consumer freedoms or choice, I'd rather create the complete system with people who share the same views than give out a single line of code to code thieves who will use it to defeat the principles of freedom and choices---2011--Me--**
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Bernard Hehe those were good times. Very few people would believe it if I told them what we did in those early days...... There is an urgent need for some sort of 'cloud benchmark' too. Oh and definitions so the 'suits' dont go around embarrasing us:-) Too much hype and marketing and talk and talk and more talk..... Khitai Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2011, at 11:56 PM, bernard kioko <bernsoft@gmail.com> wrote:
@aki I would like correct you on two items:
1. We developed our own custom SMS gateway from ground using libraries licensed at a fee of $200 then! In 2001 that was lots dof money for us. Btw there were short codes then so we had to use a nokia phone attached to a comp....long story. I spent 2 nights working it out.
2. We actually do offer our gateway as a cloud service. No fees is payable except the cost of SMS sent.
I think we have solutions within Kenya......we probably need to develop our own local market place.....
On Tuesday, November 22, 2011, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:16 PM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
All isp services and networks were basically cloud services.
advances and changes in the data center are driving change everywhere else. Unfortunately marketing and pr is louder - calling it cloud just sounds wrong- .heck they ( marketing/pr) still get more budget than engineering teams get for training...soon the chickens will come home to roost.....i'll be rich:-)
Gitau
Sent from my iPad
@John and network group. IMHO, one of the potential of the network group is the ability to change the kenyan network scene through shared ideas of what the future could hold. I see that one day in the near future, there will be born a service provider based on the core of network engineers who can provide one of the most critical systems ever. It will depend on the passion of what you want done, it is now starting to fall in your hands i.e the network group. That day, KE will be proud of the best of the best that we have ever produced. It is just a matter of time, and the next time you all come across investors at your meets, please show them what can be done with their investments to not only change the KE network landscape but also the business potential that very much still exists.
What @Bernard has not told you on this thread is that he saw full commercial potential worth millions of Kshs of using a zero investment free software gateway like e.g Kannel as an SMS gateway to be able to deliver SMS services. You in the network areas would have waited for 5 years for a financial approvals to install a very expensive but a professional commercial gateway, thus the marketing budgets would not exist. So to ensure that all in the network group are successful, and though I cannot participate but understand networking well enough, I'll ensure that the network group are always on par with the rest who can easily run you out on competitve areas if you ever go commercial. So please count on my indirect support, if it helps.
In a nutshell : On the same note, I think some of our freedom software developers will charge Kenyan companies a lot of money for services rendered which really puts progress on the back seat. But when external forces come into the market, in the form of innovation ( it's relative ) they fully embrace it as ground breaking and shun local business for lack of progress. And the same external forces will also use the e.g. KICTB as a marketing tool under the heading of innovation. Rather than KICTB having meets and passing on the market trends and options available to local businesses, they are expecting Kenyan companies to embrace technology on high costs who may not have any knowledge that they too can so easily exploit the freedom software industry. To put my theory to test, I'd like someone in the network group to approach any Kenyan company that sells an SMS gateway that could be used in cloud service. Then please come back and let us know the costs of this, what software or hardware is used, and you will see what my whole issues are about. This is a global problem too.
Best of success to the network group and cloud services too. :-)
Some thots.
--
**--If I ever wrote code on a system for the better of consumer freedoms or choice, I'd rather create the complete system with people who share the same views than give out a single line of code to code thieves who will use it to defeat the principles of freedom and choices---2011--Me--**
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Somebody shout Mainframe :) -- ˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙ Regards, David Njuki @njukey [Google,Twitter,Yahoo]
*...hmmm.... the cloud has always been there! up in the sky... or has it just been blown into Kenya air-space, by European monsoon?* * * *the only cloud that I know that is new is tCloud; iCloud is old now.* * * *tCloud is what OPCO (MSP) should embrace, and not the cloud!* * * *---be ware of rain (pipe) from the cloud. * On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 11:26 PM, bernard kioko <bernsoft@gmail.com> wrote:
So some companies have made so much noise about Cloud computing I was recently forced to think back......
In 2005 i was involved in a project that developed a software for an airline....the software runs from our servers even upto this day and the company only pays a monthly fee for use of the software.....did we miss the word Cloud computing then?
In 2001 when we installed SMS on tv (yes, the Big Question is that old), we actually had the entire system running from our servers and not KTN.....(yeah, now you know why the Arturs Bros didnt find it!)!
I must credit KDN and Swift for having the infrastructure we used for then!
Am sure similar scenarios existed in Kenya from other local developers.
Does this mean Kenya had Cloud computing 10 years ago? - Do you see what issue i have with our ICT Board and our lack of speed in adopting new technologies?
This to me explains how we lost M-PESA to the UK or KIKOY to i dont know who....
Tafakari hayo....
Regards
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