Is it me or does windows 8 have a usability issue. A lot has changed. No start menu button on the task bar. No hearts, freecell, minesweeper, pinball......(196MB to download solitaire) Look and feel...rectangular blocked windows anyways let me continue to explore it and see whether i will keep it or downgrade. This is the culture shock to expect http://wolfiezero.com/1079/windows-8-real-usability-testing/ regards, T21
It can't be as bad as our experience with Gnome 2 to Gnome 3?
I haven't used gnome 3. i cant compare.... but i can only try to imagine the UX as horrific (pun intended) On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
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Windows 8 looks more like Gnome 3. There are customized Os's for tablets /Bonz On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Tusker 21 <tusker212@gmail.com> wrote:
I haven't used gnome 3. i cant compare.... but i can only try to imagine the UX as horrific (pun intended)
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Someone had to lead the change, after all, before the "windows", people used some commands that were not that friendly. I would rather learn than sleep in my comfort - I would never grow. ~fish! On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Boniface <mboteb@gmail.com> wrote:
Windows 8 looks more like Gnome 3. There are customized Os's for tablets
/Bonz
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Tusker 21 <tusker212@gmail.com> wrote:
I haven't used gnome 3. i cant compare.... but i can only try to imagine the UX as horrific (pun intended)
But Gnome 3 was so bad that we had to have Cinnamon to bring sanity back? How could they make a touch interface for a non-touch device where the mouse still reigned supreme. Before Gnome extensions and Cinnamon, Gnome 3 was very tiring, you got tired of unnecessarily moving the mouse for tasks that could be made simpler, and were once simpler. I hope this is not what Windows 8 has done.
Dennis, Unlike Gnome, Windows 8 has two interfaces, the traditional interface that can be invoked at startup, and the new interface that we are all used to. So no one needs to complain that they don't know where they saved their last game, or project. I find it interesting that no one is willing to invest in a little free learning. We want things in familiar packaging, saaad. ~fish On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
But Gnome 3 was so bad that we had to have Cinnamon to bring sanity back? How could they make a touch interface for a non-touch device where the mouse still reigned supreme. Before Gnome extensions and Cinnamon, Gnome 3 was very tiring, you got tired of unnecessarily moving the mouse for tasks that could be made simpler, and were once simpler. I hope this is not what Windows 8 has done.
There are 2 things that are constant in life: change and real change. You decide whether to be left behind or move on. I know of some institutions that are stuck with windows xp and windows server 2003. You decide whether to move on with the world or stay behind alone. On Aug 26, 2012 4:31 PM, "Peter Osotsi" <peter.osotsi@gmail.com> wrote:
Dennis,
Unlike Gnome, Windows 8 has two interfaces, the traditional interface that can be invoked at startup, and the new interface that we are all used to. So no one needs to complain that they don't know where they saved their last game, or project. I find it interesting that no one is willing to invest in a little free learning. We want things in familiar packaging, saaad.
~fish
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But Gnome 3 was so bad that we had to have Cinnamon to bring sanity back? How could they make a touch interface for a non-touch device where the mouse still reigned supreme. Before Gnome extensions and Cinnamon, Gnome 3 was very tiring, you got tired of unnecessarily moving the mouse for tasks that could be made simpler, and were once simpler. I hope this is not what Windows 8 has done.
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Getting stuck with Windows XP and/or Server 2003 is a financial decision, really, not being averse to change. OTOH, complaining that Windows 8 Metro or Gnome 3 is not doing this about what the producers though is user-friendliness, but they ended up missing the definition of "friendliness", or so me thinks. However, in such cases, I must say you can never satisfy everyone! On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Joseph Tintale <jayxtintale@gmail.com>wrote:
There are 2 things that are constant in life: change and real change. You decide whether to be left behind or move on. I know of some institutions that are stuck with windows xp and windows server 2003. You decide whether to move on with the world or stay behind alone. On Aug 26, 2012 4:31 PM, "Peter Osotsi" <peter.osotsi@gmail.com> wrote:
Dennis,
Unlike Gnome, Windows 8 has two interfaces, the traditional interface that can be invoked at startup, and the new interface that we are all used to. So no one needs to complain that they don't know where they saved their last game, or project. I find it interesting that no one is willing to invest in a little free learning. We want things in familiar packaging, saaad.
~fish
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
But Gnome 3 was so bad that we had to have Cinnamon to bring sanity back? How could they make a touch interface for a non-touch device where the mouse still reigned supreme. Before Gnome extensions and Cinnamon, Gnome 3 was very tiring, you got tired of unnecessarily moving the mouse for tasks that could be made simpler, and were once simpler. I hope this is not what Windows 8 has done.
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Personally, I use Gnome 3, and I have no complaints. Really easy to use. I think that if you have an issue using it, the problem is PEBKAC. Same for any other interface. Basically........ *RTFM* *before* you complain. On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 7:15 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Getting stuck with Windows XP and/or Server 2003 is a financial decision, really, not being averse to change. OTOH, complaining that Windows 8 Metro or Gnome 3 is not doing this about what the producers though is user-friendliness, but they ended up missing the definition of "friendliness", or so me thinks. However, in such cases, I must say you can never satisfy everyone!
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Joseph Tintale <jayxtintale@gmail.com>wrote:
There are 2 things that are constant in life: change and real change. You decide whether to be left behind or move on. I know of some institutions that are stuck with windows xp and windows server 2003. You decide whether to move on with the world or stay behind alone. On Aug 26, 2012 4:31 PM, "Peter Osotsi" <peter.osotsi@gmail.com> wrote:
Dennis,
Unlike Gnome, Windows 8 has two interfaces, the traditional interface that can be invoked at startup, and the new interface that we are all used to. So no one needs to complain that they don't know where they saved their last game, or project. I find it interesting that no one is willing to invest in a little free learning. We want things in familiar packaging, saaad.
~fish
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
But Gnome 3 was so bad that we had to have Cinnamon to bring sanity back? How could they make a touch interface for a non-touch device where the mouse still reigned supreme. Before Gnome extensions and Cinnamon, Gnome 3 was very tiring, you got tired of unnecessarily moving the mouse for tasks that could be made simpler, and were once simpler. I hope this is not what Windows 8 has done.
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@ peter How do you invoke as below? * * *Windows 8 has two interfaces, the traditional interface that can be invoked at startup, and the new interface that we are all used to.* * * Still trying hard to swallow this bitter pill (windows 8). Maybe then i will be cured of this UX disease that i'm still experiencing. regards, T21 On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
Personally, I use Gnome 3, and I have no complaints. Really easy to use. I think that if you have an issue using it, the problem is PEBKAC. Same for any other interface.
Basically........ *RTFM* *before* you complain.
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 7:15 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Getting stuck with Windows XP and/or Server 2003 is a financial decision, really, not being averse to change. OTOH, complaining that Windows 8 Metro or Gnome 3 is not doing this about what the producers though is user-friendliness, but they ended up missing the definition of "friendliness", or so me thinks. However, in such cases, I must say you can never satisfy everyone!
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Joseph Tintale <jayxtintale@gmail.com>wrote:
There are 2 things that are constant in life: change and real change. You decide whether to be left behind or move on. I know of some institutions that are stuck with windows xp and windows server 2003. You decide whether to move on with the world or stay behind alone. On Aug 26, 2012 4:31 PM, "Peter Osotsi" <peter.osotsi@gmail.com> wrote:
Dennis,
Unlike Gnome, Windows 8 has two interfaces, the traditional interface that can be invoked at startup, and the new interface that we are all used to. So no one needs to complain that they don't know where they saved their last game, or project. I find it interesting that no one is willing to invest in a little free learning. We want things in familiar packaging, saaad.
~fish
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But Gnome 3 was so bad that we had to have Cinnamon to bring sanity back? How could they make a touch interface for a non-touch device where the mouse still reigned supreme. Before Gnome extensions and Cinnamon, Gnome 3 was very tiring, you got tired of unnecessarily moving the mouse for tasks that could be made simpler, and were once simpler. I hope this is not what Windows 8 has done.
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Now i can smile... atleast. I have un-metrod the UI and put the old start menu from a third party vendor. Think that was my problem. Being an unungrateful user who only sees what is not there (Start Button). and ignoring all the effort work it took coming up with the metro UX. follow the link for instructions: tweaking with Visha<http://www.askvg.com/manual-method-get-classic-start-menu-back-in-windows-7-without-using-3rd-party-software/> regards, T21 On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 9:58 AM, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
Windows is like those pharmaceutical firms that continue to produce medicine that is not needed, but consumers flock to the pharmacy to buy them, so the pharmacy firms will continue to produce the medicine nevertheless. Windows is not going anywhere soon. 20+years and still selling like hot cake.
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Nakucheka but am same like you, we all take one step backward alafu wakishaenda tunatoka nyuma mbio hehhehehehehehhe I mean most people will like the old interface On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Tusker 21 <tusker212@gmail.com> wrote:
Now i can smile... atleast. I have un-metrod the UI and put the old start menu from a third party vendor. Think that was my problem.
Being an unungrateful user who only sees what is not there (Start Button). and ignoring all the effort work it took coming up with the metro UX.
follow the link for instructions: tweaking with Visha<http://www.askvg.com/manual-method-get-classic-start-menu-back-in-windows-7-without-using-3rd-party-software/>
regards, T21
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Windows is like those pharmaceutical firms that continue to produce medicine that is not needed, but consumers flock to the pharmacy to buy them, so the pharmacy firms will continue to produce the medicine nevertheless. Windows is not going anywhere soon. 20+years and still selling like hot cake.
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This link you have given is quite misleading in relation to the topic! It talks about Windows 7, which I don't remember as having been your problem. On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Tusker 21 <tusker212@gmail.com> wrote:
Now i can smile... atleast. I have un-metrod the UI and put the old start menu from a third party vendor. Think that was my problem.
Being an unungrateful user who only sees what is not there (Start Button). and ignoring all the effort work it took coming up with the metro UX.
follow the link for instructions: tweaking with Visha<http://www.askvg.com/manual-method-get-classic-start-menu-back-in-windows-7-without-using-3rd-party-software/>
regards, T21
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 9:58 AM, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
Windows is like those pharmaceutical firms that continue to produce medicine that is not needed, but consumers flock to the pharmacy to buy them, so the pharmacy firms will continue to produce the medicine nevertheless. Windows is not going anywhere soon. 20+years and still selling like hot cake.
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@odhiambo Yes it is misleading, so far it is the solution that has worked for me. Still wondering if surface will be affordable but so far i'm trying to appreciate and finish my dose of this bitter pill (Windows 8). I'm feeling better already. regards, T21 On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
This link you have given is quite misleading in relation to the topic! It talks about Windows 7, which I don't remember as having been your problem.
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Tusker 21 <tusker212@gmail.com> wrote:
Now i can smile... atleast. I have un-metrod the UI and put the old start menu from a third party vendor. Think that was my problem.
Being an unungrateful user who only sees what is not there (Start Button). and ignoring all the effort work it took coming up with the metro UX.
follow the link for instructions: tweaking with Visha<http://www.askvg.com/manual-method-get-classic-start-menu-back-in-windows-7-without-using-3rd-party-software/>
regards, T21
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 9:58 AM, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
Windows is like those pharmaceutical firms that continue to produce medicine that is not needed, but consumers flock to the pharmacy to buy them, so the pharmacy firms will continue to produce the medicine nevertheless. Windows is not going anywhere soon. 20+years and still selling like hot cake.
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@ wash you a right. The link is not the right one. Guess no one(including Microsoft) is perfect. Now i understand why the left out the start menu button. follow the link http://lee-soft.com/news/windows-8-start-menu/ regards, T21 On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
This link you have given is quite misleading in relation to the topic! It talks about Windows 7, which I don't remember as having been your problem.
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Tusker 21 <tusker212@gmail.com> wrote:
Now i can smile... atleast. I have un-metrod the UI and put the old start menu from a third party vendor. Think that was my problem.
Being an unungrateful user who only sees what is not there (Start Button). and ignoring all the effort work it took coming up with the metro UX.
follow the link for instructions: tweaking with Visha<http://www.askvg.com/manual-method-get-classic-start-menu-back-in-windows-7-without-using-3rd-party-software/>
regards, T21
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 9:58 AM, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
Windows is like those pharmaceutical firms that continue to produce medicine that is not needed, but consumers flock to the pharmacy to buy them, so the pharmacy firms will continue to produce the medicine nevertheless. Windows is not going anywhere soon. 20+years and still selling like hot cake.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, Some thoughts... Technology is primarily driven by need, nothing changes for the sake of changing...case in quote the need for faster internet connectivity has led to 3G, 3.5G and now LTE technologies and soon FTTH and etc. its with this that the OS cannot be left behind. I guarantee you that in the next 18-36 months you will hardly come across a hardware vendor who is not shipping a touch device. Windows 8 is about choice, are you a power user/information worker who needs mouse and keyboard or are you a busy corporate executive who needs to quickly read news on the fly on a touch handheld device. its all about choice. None of the above excite me more than the opportunity that Windows 8 offers developers to write apps that run on the new Windows 8 UI. Let me pose here for a moment for this point to sink in. Rich are those who will embrace this new opportunity and start writing apps that will run on Windows 8 UI. Am excited at the fact that lots of technologies are supported, with a simple JavaScript knowledge or C# and a few lines of code you will have your Windows 8 App running. With this the opportunities are unlimited be it you are developing apps for internal organization consumption or for consumer, developers are the biggest winners in the Windows 8 era. If you are used to complaining and not taking time to see the opportunities ahead of you, am sorry you will end up a perennial loser. my thoughts! On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Tusker 21 <tusker212@gmail.com> wrote:
@ wash you a right. The link is not the right one.
Guess no one(including Microsoft) is perfect. Now i understand why the left out the start menu button.
follow the link http://lee-soft.com/news/windows-8-start-menu/
regards, T21
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This link you have given is quite misleading in relation to the topic! It talks about Windows 7, which I don't remember as having been your problem.
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Tusker 21 <tusker212@gmail.com> wrote:
Now i can smile... atleast. I have un-metrod the UI and put the old start menu from a third party vendor. Think that was my problem.
Being an unungrateful user who only sees what is not there (Start Button). and ignoring all the effort work it took coming up with the metro UX.
follow the link for instructions: tweaking with Visha<http://www.askvg.com/manual-method-get-classic-start-menu-back-in-windows-7-without-using-3rd-party-software/>
regards, T21
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 9:58 AM, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
Windows is like those pharmaceutical firms that continue to produce medicine that is not needed, but consumers flock to the pharmacy to buy them, so the pharmacy firms will continue to produce the medicine nevertheless. Windows is not going anywhere soon. 20+years and still selling like hot cake.
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-- "Change is slow and gradual. It requires hardwork, a bit of luck, a fair amount of self-sacrifice and a lot of patience." Roy.
Disregard earlier link. This is the right one Restore Windows 8 Start Menu<http://lee-soft.com/news/windows-8-start-menu/> http://lee-soft.com/news/windows-8-start-menu/ regards, T21 On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Tusker 21 <tusker212@gmail.com> wrote:
Now i can smile... atleast. I have un-metrod the UI and put the old start menu from a third party vendor. Think that was my problem.
Being an unungrateful user who only sees what is not there (Start Button). and ignoring all the effort work it took coming up with the metro UX.
follow the link for instructions: tweaking with Visha<http://www.askvg.com/manual-method-get-classic-start-menu-back-in-windows-7-without-using-3rd-party-software/>
regards, T21
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 9:58 AM, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
Windows is like those pharmaceutical firms that continue to produce medicine that is not needed, but consumers flock to the pharmacy to buy them, so the pharmacy firms will continue to produce the medicine nevertheless. Windows is not going anywhere soon. 20+years and still selling like hot cake.
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