And what will the jamaas who sell chips funga do?
Dear eSkunks, I have been trying to read the ePaper version of the Standard. But I find it very very very difficult since I have to zoom in and zoom out and then scroll left and scroll right and then scroll up and then down so as to read the damn paper. I think all this movement of my wrist and eyeballs will eventually cause some repetitive stress damage... I am just wondering, must an ePaper be an exact replica of the actual newspaper? Why can't Standard media just post the full newspaper's content on the website in plain html plus images. They can also have the adverts and classifieds annexed therein. This content can still be restricted to paid subscribers. But, WTF (please excuse my Kimeru), must it look exactly as the newspaper...damn I have a 15" screen...! Perhaps a jamaa in the diaspora, who is homesick, can struggle with this unnecessary movements, but for me, I think it is better to just buy the real thing. Can someone on the list can tell us how other implementations of ePapers have been done...for example, how has Rupert Murdoch done it? Are they replicas of the real thing? And what will the jamaas who sell chips funga do? eTimo.
I really tried to adapt to this but failed every single day. After completely failing on the iPad where I would zoom in and the thing just goes haywire, I decided to just use the laptop, where the experience wasn't better. Was just thinking, I hace read so many mags and newspapers delivered on the ipad on newstand and they are just perfect, what would it take for these guys to make such an approach/ ./Ok3ch On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Timothy Mutugi <timothymutugi@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear eSkunks,
I have been trying to read the ePaper version of the Standard. But I find it very very very difficult since I have to zoom in and zoom out and then scroll left and scroll right and then scroll up and then down so as to read the damn paper.
I think all this movement of my wrist and eyeballs will eventually cause some repetitive stress damage...
I am just wondering, must an ePaper be an exact replica of the actual newspaper? Why can't Standard media just post the full newspaper's content on the website in plain html plus images. They can also have the adverts and classifieds annexed therein. This content can still be restricted to paid subscribers.
But, WTF (please excuse my Kimeru), must it look exactly as the newspaper...damn I have a 15" screen...!
Perhaps a jamaa in the diaspora, who is homesick, can struggle with this unnecessary movements, but for me, I think it is better to just buy the real thing.
Can someone on the list can tell us how other implementations of ePapers have been done...for example, how has Rupert Murdoch done it? Are they replicas of the real thing?
And what will the jamaas who sell chips funga do?
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And I also tend to think that putting a newspaper online should encourage people to click on a story and post comments and so on. Therefore having this flat, unfriendly and non-interactive ePaper takes us back to the stone age when the caveman used to draw animals on the cave's walls so that his fellow cave men could come and look at the drawings without much interaction. Timo.
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And I also tend to think that putting a newspaper online should encourage people to click on a story and post comments and so on.
Therefore having this flat, unfriendly and non-interactive ePaper takes us back to the stone age when the caveman used to draw animals on the cave's walls so that his fellow cave men could come and look at the drawings without much interaction.
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On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Timothy Mutugi <timothymutugi@gmail.com>wrote:
Can someone on the list can tell us how other implementations of ePapers have been done...for example, how has Rupert Murdoch done it? Are they replicas of the real thing?
i believe the main target for the e-paper version is places where the physical newspaper is not available ( e.g. in the us , europe , where the disapora may be ) . there are some sometimes you just want to see to get the exact hard copy with the advertisements and the classifieds etc. -- the experience is different browsing an online version of the same thing
The level of ICT skills and security awareness in very low or utterly neglicted in this country This is especially so in government ministries, parastals, corporations, Boards and commissions to mention just a few. Tis conclusion is based on the many security lapses highlighted in this forum. For example, the current issue with the knec website. Imagine this is the national organisation charged with safe custody of our exam results. Not to mention the Kenyatta and Nairobi university current issues with thier online systems. I propose the government sets up an ICT Auditor General Office with a responsibility to audit all ICT related issues of government Institutions and advise on areas to improve. What is your take? Regards Shad
Shadrack. Just to let you know that the levels of awareness may not be as low as you mention, its just that we have not strengthened the culture of sharing information and combining efforts to deal with such challenges, recently CCK advertised the Kenya Computer Incidence Response Team Workshop on this list and i am gland a nuber of presenters came from the skunkworks list, this were some of the issues that were being addressed by various stakeholders drawn from public, private sector and academia, we also had various colleagues from security arms that is the police, military and intelligence, however what came out clearly is the need for collective responsibility, it is your responsibility to educate the community around you. There was a lot of emphasis on sector specific computer Incidence response teams that would address the issues you have just raised, earlier this week i saw on another list how a Youth Social Network was hacked and KCIRT helped resolve the issue in record time, for more details you may contact Vincent Ngundi, copied to this mail. The other skunks who attended the workshop may also comment on this threat. Have a great weekend! Best Regards On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 9:19 AM, Shadrack Mwaniki <shadrack_mwaniki@yahoo.com> wrote:
The level of ICT skills and security awareness in very low or utterly neglicted in this country This is especially so in government ministries, parastals, corporations, Boards and commissions to mention just a few.
Tis conclusion is based on the many security lapses highlighted in this forum. For example, the current issue with the knec website. Imagine this is the national organisation charged with safe custody of our exam results. Not to mention the Kenyatta and Nairobi university current issues with thier online systems.
I propose the government sets up an ICT Auditor General Office with a responsibility to audit all ICT related issues of government Institutions and advise on areas to improve.
What is your take?
Regards Shad
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On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Timothy Mutugi <timothymutugi@gmail.com> wrote:
Can someone on the list can tell us how other implementations of ePapers have been done...for example, how has Rupert Murdoch done it? Are they replicas of the real thing?
Daily Nation has a subscription-based replica version that's delivered to your email every morning, but for a fee. IIRC you can read it online in frames, you select the page you want and it's displayed exactly as it's laid out on the hard copy. I think you can also download a pdf of the entire paper or particular pages. I found it really good. They use some system called PressMart for that. The reason my memory's a bit hazy is because I subscribed only once, specifically to read a friend's obituary, I was told she'd passed away on my way to the airport outbound. Works well when you're out of KE and you want to get a feel of the real thing. BR S -- This message represents the official view of the voices in my head.
To those who have subscribed to the the Standard ePaper service, Does it have a pdf version? Sammy On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Timothy Mutugi <timothymutugi@gmail.com> wrote:
Can someone on the list can tell us how other implementations of ePapers have been done...for example, how has Rupert Murdoch done it? Are they replicas of the real thing?
Daily Nation has a subscription-based replica version that's delivered to your email every morning, but for a fee. IIRC you can read it online in frames, you select the page you want and it's displayed exactly as it's laid out on the hard copy. I think you can also download a pdf of the entire paper or particular pages. I found it really good. They use some system called PressMart for that.
The reason my memory's a bit hazy is because I subscribed only once, specifically to read a friend's obituary, I was told she'd passed away on my way to the airport outbound. Works well when you're out of KE and you want to get a feel of the real thing.
BR S
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@Sammy, nope I didn't see any PDF thingy, but I might be wrong, my FREE subscription expired...perhaps someone with a full subscription can check around and tell us. @Steve, thanks for the Nation tip, I will check to see if it is still there and sorry for the loss of your friend, may her soul rest in peace. On 12/7/11, Sammy Lusiola <sammy.lusiola@reelforge.com> wrote:
To those who have subscribed to the the Standard ePaper service, Does it have a pdf version?
Sammy
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Timothy Mutugi <timothymutugi@gmail.com> wrote:
Can someone on the list can tell us how other implementations of ePapers have been done...for example, how has Rupert Murdoch done it? Are they replicas of the real thing?
Daily Nation has a subscription-based replica version that's delivered to your email every morning, but for a fee. IIRC you can read it online in frames, you select the page you want and it's displayed exactly as it's laid out on the hard copy. I think you can also download a pdf of the entire paper or particular pages. I found it really good. They use some system called PressMart for that.
The reason my memory's a bit hazy is because I subscribed only once, specifically to read a friend's obituary, I was told she'd passed away on my way to the airport outbound. Works well when you're out of KE and you want to get a feel of the real thing.
BR S
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Can someone on the list can tell us how other implementations of ePapers have been done...for example, how has Rupert Murdoch done it? Are they replicas of the real thing?
Lawrence journal [ http://www2.ljworld.com/ ] does the exact opposite, i.e the hard copy is the exact replica of the online version. Works pretty well. Martin.
Thanks Martin, that's very very very interesting... Timo. On 12/3/11, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
Can someone on the list can tell us how other implementations of ePapers have been done...for example, how has Rupert Murdoch done it? Are they replicas of the real thing?
Lawrence journal [ http://www2.ljworld.com/ ] does the exact opposite, i.e the hard copy is the exact replica of the online version. Works pretty well.
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@Tony Oh my, sorry about that... - just two years ago, chips funga was just chips wrapped in a newspaper...:-( - 100 years ago Bullshit was just bullshit but now bullshit is bullshit - 50 years ago Happy & Gay was being in a good mood, but today, Happy & Gay...? Timo. On 12/6/11, Tony Likhanga <tlikhanga@gmail.com> wrote:
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