E-Mail Consultancy : A proposal
Many times we openly share info and/or solutions that would normally costs thousands of Kshs in consultancy costs. There are many of us on this list who belong to this category and even go the extra mile for others to help out, virtually. I think a proposal forward would be to have some sort of consultancy services available via email, else we are selling the ICT sector for free without any benefits of years or experience/knowledge. In anycase, if anyone is stuck, they can always google or bing for results. Just sharing a thought, I hope others have also been thinking about such. Do you think this would defeat the idea of the lists or will it make others lives better? Rgds.
Hi Aki, I disagree. In my opinion, this forum is for sharing ideas. There are those that need to be mentored too. On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:12 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Many times we openly share info and/or solutions that would normally costs thousands of Kshs in consultancy costs. There are many of us on this list who belong to this category and even go the extra mile for others to help out, virtually. I think a proposal forward would be to have some sort of consultancy services available via email, else we are selling the ICT sector for free without any benefits of years or experience/knowledge. In anycase, if anyone is stuck, they can always google or bing for results.
Just sharing a thought, I hope others have also been thinking about such.
Do you think this would defeat the idea of the lists or will it make others lives better?
Rgds.
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@ aki, good idea, wrong model. I think the onus should be on moderators of this list to come up with a creative business model around the activities of the list and make money. Ideas and options are many, you just need to open your eyes. Charging for responses would be akin to google charging for search results, i doubt they would have been as successful. On 9/14/09, Sammy Lusiola <sammy.lusiola@reelforge.com> wrote:
Hi Aki,
I disagree. In my opinion, this forum is for sharing ideas. There are those that need to be mentored too.
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:12 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Many times we openly share info and/or solutions that would normally costs thousands of Kshs in consultancy costs. There are many of us on this list who belong to this category and even go the extra mile for others to help out, virtually. I think a proposal forward would be to have some sort of consultancy services available via email, else we are selling the ICT sector for free without any benefits of years or experience/knowledge. In anycase, if anyone is stuck, they can always google or bing for results.
Just sharing a thought, I hope others have also been thinking about such.
Do you think this would defeat the idea of the lists or will it make others lives better?
Rgds.
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what one gets is ideas. execution is a different story all together. that is where the money comes in. alternatively, may be we can charge corporate clients, but what would happen if we charged hobbyists? On 14/09/2009, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
@ aki, good idea, wrong model. I think the onus should be on moderators of this list to come up with a creative business model around the activities of the list and make money. Ideas and options are many, you just need to open your eyes. Charging for responses would be akin to google charging for search results, i doubt they would have been as successful.
On 9/14/09, Sammy Lusiola <sammy.lusiola@reelforge.com> wrote:
Hi Aki,
I disagree. In my opinion, this forum is for sharing ideas. There are those that need to be mentored too.
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:12 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Many times we openly share info and/or solutions that would normally costs thousands of Kshs in consultancy costs. There are many of us on this list who belong to this category and even go the extra mile for others to help out, virtually. I think a proposal forward would be to have some sort of consultancy services available via email, else we are selling the ICT sector for free without any benefits of years or experience/knowledge. In anycase, if anyone is stuck, they can always google or bing for results.
Just sharing a thought, I hope others have also been thinking about such.
Do you think this would defeat the idea of the lists or will it make others lives better?
Rgds.
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Or even have some gurus to work on the footer of the emails to serve ppc ads. On 9/14/09, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
what one gets is ideas. execution is a different story all together. that is where the money comes in. alternatively, may be we can charge corporate clients, but what would happen if we charged hobbyists?
On 14/09/2009, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
@ aki, good idea, wrong model. I think the onus should be on moderators of this list to come up with a creative business model around the activities of the list and make money. Ideas and options are many, you just need to open your eyes. Charging for responses would be akin to google charging for search results, i doubt they would have been as successful.
On 9/14/09, Sammy Lusiola <sammy.lusiola@reelforge.com> wrote:
Hi Aki,
I disagree. In my opinion, this forum is for sharing ideas. There are those that need to be mentored too.
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:12 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Many times we openly share info and/or solutions that would normally costs thousands of Kshs in consultancy costs. There are many of us on this list who belong to this category and even go the extra mile for others to help out, virtually. I think a proposal forward would be to have some sort of consultancy services available via email, else we are selling the ICT sector for free without any benefits of years or experience/knowledge. In anycase, if anyone is stuck, they can always google or bing for results.
Just sharing a thought, I hope others have also been thinking about such.
Do you think this would defeat the idea of the lists or will it make others lives better?
Rgds.
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Maybe we can encourage guys to "donate via mpesa" when helped. How many of us ever bother to fund wikipedia or any free software that we use? On 14/09/2009, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
Or even have some gurus to work on the footer of the emails to serve ppc ads.
On 9/14/09, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
what one gets is ideas. execution is a different story all together. that is where the money comes in. alternatively, may be we can charge corporate clients, but what would happen if we charged hobbyists?
On 14/09/2009, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
@ aki, good idea, wrong model. I think the onus should be on moderators of this list to come up with a creative business model around the activities of the list and make money. Ideas and options are many, you just need to open your eyes. Charging for responses would be akin to google charging for search results, i doubt they would have been as successful.
On 9/14/09, Sammy Lusiola <sammy.lusiola@reelforge.com> wrote:
Hi Aki,
I disagree. In my opinion, this forum is for sharing ideas. There are those that need to be mentored too.
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:12 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Many times we openly share info and/or solutions that would normally costs thousands of Kshs in consultancy costs. There are many of us on this list who belong to this category and even go the extra mile for others to help out, virtually. I think a proposal forward would be to have some sort of consultancy services available via email, else we are selling the ICT sector for free without any benefits of years or experience/knowledge. In anycase, if anyone is stuck, they can always google or bing for results.
Just sharing a thought, I hope others have also been thinking about such.
Do you think this would defeat the idea of the lists or will it make others lives better?
Rgds.
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Self regulate is the way to go, there can be limits on the help you can give and when it comes to that you can clearly explain this on email, then the person requiring the help thinks on whether to hire you for money or not. Whatever help on this forum should always remain free, and anyone who thinks he want to charge for it, do not reply to any F1's ./Ok3ch On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
i agree. online help should be free. anybody needing another to do the actual implementation of that help should ofcourse be ready to pay for the time. regards. walu. nb: have you noticed how much you get to 'learn' more just by giving instructions to somebody else? --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] E-Mail Consultancy : A proposal To: "Skunkworks forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 3:34 PM Self regulate is the way to go, there can be limits on the help you can give and when it comes to that you can clearly explain this on email, then the person requiring the help thinks on whether to hire you for money or not. Whatever help on this forum should always remain free, and anyone who thinks he want to charge for it, do not reply to any F1's
./Ok3ch
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Information is free. People are not. We should gladly share what we know. some of the curricular at MIT is available free of charge but getting an education at the same will cost a pretty peni. On 9/14/09, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
what one gets is ideas. execution is a different story all together. that is where the money comes in. alternatively, may be we can charge corporate clients, but what would happen if we charged hobbyists?
On 14/09/2009, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
@ aki, good idea, wrong model. I think the onus should be on moderators of this list to come up with a creative business model around the activities of the list and make money. Ideas and options are many, you just need to open your eyes. Charging for responses would be akin to google charging for search results, i doubt they would have been as successful.
On 9/14/09, Sammy Lusiola <sammy.lusiola@reelforge.com> wrote:
Hi Aki,
I disagree. In my opinion, this forum is for sharing ideas. There are those that need to be mentored too.
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:12 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Many times we openly share info and/or solutions that would normally costs thousands of Kshs in consultancy costs. There are many of us on this list who belong to this category and even go the extra mile for others to help out, virtually. I think a proposal forward would be to have some sort of consultancy services available via email, else we are selling the ICT sector for free without any benefits of years or experience/knowledge. In anycase, if anyone is stuck, they can always google or bing for results.
Just sharing a thought, I hope others have also been thinking about such.
Do you think this would defeat the idea of the lists or will it make others lives better?
Rgds.
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On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:12 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Many times we openly share info and/or solutions that would normally costs thousands of Kshs in consultancy costs. There are many of us on this list who belong to this category and even go the extra mile for others to help out, virtually. I think a proposal forward would be to have some sort of consultancy services available via email, else we are selling the ICT sector for free without any benefits of years or experience/knowledge. In anycase, if anyone is stuck, they can always google or bing for results.
Just sharing a thought, I hope others have also been thinking about such.
Do you think this would defeat the idea of the lists or will it make others lives better?
Aki, There are two ways to look at this. 1. Mentoring others or simply having one's brain picked because someone has hit their /etc - this one can be handled the normal way. Give the answer, suggest a possible solution, refer the poster to some google/bing reference. 2. When someone wants a solution implemented and you feel it will consume a substantial amount of time, then you can discuss payment terms with them. I've seen that happening here as well, like what Gichingiri sent last week, or what Daudi Were sent this morning. It's good to move on as a community based on {brother|sister}hood and make money when the opportunity avails itself. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
I have used a strategy that has worked over the years:) "Don't say too little and don't say too much." If you want more, then pay me.Iif you can DIY it's my FOSS -CSR:~) How's that? regards, Alex On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:12 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Many times we openly share info and/or solutions that would normally costs thousands of Kshs in consultancy costs. There are many of us on this list who belong to this category and even go the extra mile for others to help out, virtually. I think a proposal forward would be to have some sort of consultancy services available via email, else we are selling the ICT sector for free without any benefits of years or experience/knowledge. In anycase, if anyone is stuck, they can always google or bing for results.
Just sharing a thought, I hope others have also been thinking about such.
Do you think this would defeat the idea of the lists or will it make others lives better?
Rgds.
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I believe this is a willing ask willing answer forum. If you dont wanna answer for free then dont respond. Some of us dont mind sharing for free coz thats the way we learnt. On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
I have used a strategy that has worked over the years:) "Don't say too little and don't say too much." If you want more, then pay me.Iif you can DIY it's my FOSS -CSR:~) How's that?
regards,
Alex
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:12 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Many times we openly share info and/or solutions that would normally costs thousands of Kshs in consultancy costs. There are many of us on this list who belong to this category and even go the extra mile for others to help out, virtually. I think a proposal forward would be to have some sort of consultancy services available via email, else we are selling the ICT sector for free without any benefits of years or experience/knowledge. In anycase, if anyone is stuck, they can always google or bing for results.
Just sharing a thought, I hope others have also been thinking about such.
Do you think this would defeat the idea of the lists or will it make others lives better?
Rgds.
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Hi Guys , I normally like to avoid such discussions but i think Selflessness is the way to go.You might not like what i am writing 'please forgive me'.I'm not attacking anyone. Why would you like to know something and keep it to yourself.Why not share ? It will make you understand more by teaching and mentoring.You will have a lower tendency of forgetting something u have gone over for 5 times. You can look around for those at work and those in Campuses and colleges.Those who share their knowledge always have an upper hand and by teaching you will learn. I have been working with consultants for like 2 years now and the guys always know it all.I have done thorough investigation. The guys have a network ....they share what they know and recommend ideas to our companies not because they have done it,but because a friend has.We think they are geniuses but reality there is a network of ever giving experts.That way they all learn. We can always find information on google but its not as good as being mentored.after all we are not equipment we are people. So please don't cling on what you know when someone asks for help. If its advice on how to do something do it freely .If its a software your making sell it.If someone needs consultancy be ready for it. Don't close-in share your knowledge.If you don't use it ,you loose it. How was Open source borne ?
I think this is a v.nice Tuesday Talk discussion topic. There are so many angles... On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 5:06 PM, ibtisam jamal <ibty.jamal@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Guys ,
I normally like to avoid such discussions but i think Selflessness is the way to go.You might not like what i am writing 'please forgive me'.I'm not attacking anyone.
Why would you like to know something and keep it to yourself.Why not share ? It will make you understand more by teaching and mentoring.You will have a lower tendency of forgetting something u have gone over for 5 times.
You can look around for those at work and those in Campuses and colleges.Those who share their knowledge always have an upper hand and by teaching you will learn.
I have been working with consultants for like 2 years now and the guys always know it all.I have done thorough investigation. The guys have a network ....they share what they know and recommend ideas to our companies not because they have done it,but because a friend has.We think they are geniuses but reality there is a network of ever giving experts.That way they all learn.
We can always find information on google but its not as good as being mentored.after all we are not equipment we are people.
So please don't cling on what you know when someone asks for help.
If its advice on how to do something do it freely .If its a software your making sell it.If someone needs consultancy be ready for it. Don't close-in share your knowledge.If you don't use it ,you loose it.
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I second Alex on this one. I see diversity of ideas and once we set the tempo, then we will surely reach a consensus! 2009/9/14 Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>
I think this is a v.nice Tuesday Talk discussion topic. There are so many angles...
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On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:12 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Many times we openly share info and/or solutions that would normally costs thousands of Kshs in consultancy costs. There are many of us on this list who belong to this category and even go the extra mile for others to help out, virtually. I think a proposal forward would be to have some sort of consultancy services available via email, else we are selling the ICT sector for free without any benefits of years or experience/knowledge. In anycase, if anyone is stuck, they can always google or bing for results.
Just sharing a thought, I hope others have also been thinking about such.
Do you think this would defeat the idea of the lists or will it make others lives better?
Rgds.
This reminds me of Bill Gates' "Open Letter to Hobbyists": < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Letter_to_Hobbyists>.
Joseph, what do I need to do or write to remind you of Richard Stallman? Any lawyers to help me draft the Skunkworks-Ke Licence (SKL)? That's the only way to keep the ethos of sharing (River Road style). Aki, if you ever write an OS (after playing IBM) I promise to first pirate it, then boycott it after I see the (Linux) light. Saidi
This reminds me of Bill Gates' "Open Letter to Hobbyists": < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Letter_to_Hobbyists>.
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 3:02 AM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
Joseph, what do I need to do or write to remind you of Richard Stallman? Any lawyers to help me draft the Skunkworks-Ke Licence (SKL)? That's the only way to keep the ethos of sharing (River Road style).
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Saidimu, I actually support free (in both senses of the word) sharing of ideas on this list. Joseph.
Wooa! lol! Saidi. :-))) Remember it is just a proposal, nothing more.... I think we have a great active online tech community and the strong opinions by all each have a valid point. And majority have said what it should be. Rgds. On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 3:02 AM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
Aki, if you ever write an OS (after playing IBM) I promise to first pirate it, then boycott it after I see the (Linux) light. Saidi
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 2:29 AM, Joseph Wayodi <jwayodi@gmail.com> wrote:
This reminds me of Bill Gates' "Open Letter to Hobbyists": <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Letter_to_Hobbyists>.
You would be very interested to know what he now says about patents, ...if people back then knew what impact patents would and took IP rights on everything then today the IT industry would be dead... <http://a1.video1.blip.tv/0030000075962/Lessig-WillTechnologyChangeOurWorld156.flv?bri=6.0&brs=777>
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