Re: [Skunkworks] Kenyatta Hospital is ISO 9000
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If you or a relative or a friend have used the public services at KNH then you would be cracking your ribs laughing at such a certification!
Moses.
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:14, Joseph Maina <mainasoft00@gmail.com>wrote:
I was wondering what qualifies an institution to achieve the ISO 9000 certification, because if Kenyatta Hospital is certified , then the certification is a sham, does the hospital have KEBS mark of quality.?
The place is the mess of the messes
Which family of ISO 9000 is that? If it is ISO 9001:2008 (perhaps) then the following description applies:
Why an organization should implement ISO 9001:2008
Without satisfied customers, an organization is in peril! To keep customers satisfied, the organization needs to meet their requirements. The ISO 9001:2008 standard provides a *tried and tested framework *for taking *a systematic approach* to managing the organization's processes so that they consistently turn out product that satisfies customers' expectations.
Now, if this is what KNH is certified for, then as Mblayo says, KNH is wrongly certified. I am not surprised though, that most organizations are going for ISO certification, even the irrelevent one. It's what is also referred to as "concurrence".
Please be specific about the ISO standard KNH have certified for.
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Very funny. In fact, if you look at the requirements for the QMS ISO certification, over 95% of the certified firms in the country do not deserve. I can name a few but i wount due to the litigations that might follow. Have used Kenyatta Hospital Services and i can tell you that they have no systems in place there. If they have, they are not tailored to benefit the customer but themselves. All the same we know what happens to get ISO certified. You pay the ISO implementation consultants well. Then you bribe the certification body consultants via your implementation consultant. Works very as the consultants are able to get more jobs based on their good performance. Regards Shadi ________________________________ From: "thomasodol@gmail.com" <thomasodol@gmail.com> To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Kenyatta Hospital is ISO 9000 Wwwawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Maina Sent: 29/11/2011, 11:39 am To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Kenyatta Hospital is ISO 9000 Curiosly? do organisations pay to be ISO CERtified? if so then it might be a cash cow to fleece taxpayers money... On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Moses <mosenetk@gmail.com> wrote:
If you or a relative or a friend have used the public services at KNH then you would be cracking your ribs laughing at such a certification!
Moses.
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:14, Joseph Maina <mainasoft00@gmail.com>wrote:
I was wondering what qualifies an institution to achieve the ISO 9000 certification, because if Kenyatta Hospital is certified , then the certification is a sham, does the hospital have KEBS mark of quality.?
The place is the mess of the messes
Which family of ISO 9000 is that? If it is ISO 9001:2008 (perhaps) then the following description applies:
Why an organization should implement ISO 9001:2008
Without satisfied customers, an organization is in peril! To keep customers satisfied, the organization needs to meet their requirements. The ISO 9001:2008 standard provides a *tried and tested framework *for taking *a systematic approach* to managing the organization's processes so that they consistently turn out product that satisfies customers' expectations.
Now, if this is what KNH is certified for, then as Mblayo says, KNH is wrongly certified. I am not surprised though, that most organizations are going for ISO certification, even the irrelevent one. It's what is also referred to as "concurrence".
Please be specific about the ISO standard KNH have certified for.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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