Are there any issues affecting Fiber optic cables?
Hi guys, Are there any issues affecting the recently deployed fiber optic cables or fiber in general. Need the info for my thesis, any input will be highly appreciated. Thanks. Regards, Mike Otieno. Sent from my iPhone
It will be interesting to discuss how the TELECOMS have conspired (cartel like tendencies) to deny people cheaper internet On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Mike Otieno <motieno@skyvision.co.ke> wrote:
Hi guys,
Are there any issues affecting the recently deployed fiber optic cables or fiber in general. Need the info for my thesis, any input will be highly appreciated.
Thanks.
Regards,
Mike Otieno.
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Read this http://allafrica.com/stories/200910050984.html On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Joseph McDonald <mcdonaldoj@gmail.com>wrote:
It will be interesting to discuss how the TELECOMS have conspired (cartel like tendencies) to deny people cheaper internet
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Mike Otieno <motieno@skyvision.co.ke>wrote:
Hi guys,
Are there any issues affecting the recently deployed fiber optic cables or fiber in general. Need the info for my thesis, any input will be highly appreciated.
Thanks.
Regards,
Mike Otieno.
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Liked that article which is exposing these cartels! Down with them.... On 06/10/2009, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Read this http://allafrica.com/stories/200910050984.html
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Joseph McDonald <mcdonaldoj@gmail.com>wrote:
It will be interesting to discuss how the TELECOMS have conspired (cartel like tendencies) to deny people cheaper internet
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Mike Otieno <motieno@skyvision.co.ke>wrote:
Hi guys,
Are there any issues affecting the recently deployed fiber optic cables or fiber in general. Need the info for my thesis, any input will be highly appreciated.
Thanks.
Regards,
Mike Otieno.
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That article is not well researched! <snip> The EastAfrican has established that the providers are swamped with excess capacity after signing 25-year contracts for the biggest bandwidth tiers of 155mbps -- which, according to those in the know, is unlikely to be used within the contract period. Indeed, all that the providers are likely to sell is about 30mbps, but someone has to pay for the surplus -- inevitably, this will be the consumer </snip> This is out of ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> Reply-to: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> To: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Are there any issues affecting Fiber optic cables? Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:09:00 +0300 Liked that article which is exposing these cartels! Down with them.... On 06/10/2009, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Read this http://allafrica.com/stories/200910050984.html
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Joseph McDonald <mcdonaldoj@gmail.com>wrote:
It will be interesting to discuss how the TELECOMS have conspired (cartel like tendencies) to deny people cheaper internet
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Mike Otieno <motieno@skyvision.co.ke>wrote:
Hi guys,
Are there any issues affecting the recently deployed fiber optic cables or fiber in general. Need the info for my thesis, any input will be highly appreciated.
Thanks.
Regards,
Mike Otieno.
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Alex, Please demystify for us. What is inaccurate? And what is the correct state of affairs? On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Alex Nderitu <nderitualex@gmail.com> wrote:
That article is not well researched!
<snip> The EastAfrican has established that the providers are swamped with excess capacity after signing 25-year contracts for the biggest bandwidth tiers of 155mbps -- which, according to those in the know, is unlikely to be used within the contract period. Indeed, all that the providers are likely to sell is about 30mbps, but someone has to pay for the surplus -- inevitably, this will be the consumer </snip>
This is out of ignorance.
Well....there are providers who had to sign into long-term contracts because that was the cheapest way to do it... ...then on came the submarine cable...I'm still interested to see alternative ways of how providers can/will recoup back investments... ./bernard On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Alex,
Please demystify for us. What is inaccurate? And what is the correct state of affairs?
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Alex Nderitu <nderitualex@gmail.com>wrote:
That article is not well researched!
<snip> The EastAfrican has established that the providers are swamped with excess capacity after signing 25-year contracts for the biggest bandwidth tiers of 155mbps -- which, according to those in the know, is unlikely to be used within the contract period. Indeed, all that the providers are likely to sell is about 30mbps, but someone has to pay for the surplus -- inevitably, this will be the consumer </snip>
This is out of ignorance.
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Satellite yes since there is every reason to retain backup. -----Original Message----- From: Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> Reply-to: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> To: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Are there any issues affecting Fiber optic cables? Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:23:49 +0300 Well....there are providers who had to sign into long-term contracts because that was the cheapest way to do it... ...then on came the submarine cable...I'm still interested to see alternative ways of how providers can/will recoup back investments... ./bernard On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: Alex, Please demystify for us. What is inaccurate? And what is the correct state of affairs? On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Alex Nderitu <nderitualex@gmail.com> wrote: That article is not well researched! <snip> The EastAfrican has established that the providers are swamped with excess capacity after signing 25-year contracts for the biggest bandwidth tiers of 155mbps -- which, according to those in the know, is unlikely to be used within the contract period. Indeed, all that the providers are likely to sell is about 30mbps, but someone has to pay for the surplus -- inevitably, this will be the consumer </snip> This is out of ignorance. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
Even in pre-fiber days the small providers had international capacities greater than 50mbps. Even as we stand currently, this small providers are still buying capacities from the local carrier networks eg KDN and Safcom who have become provider of providers. With this setup, those with the STM1 are only a few who are already filling up the STM1s anyway with traffic from the smaller ISPs. Trust me, if providers had the excess capacities being talked about in this article, every customer currently would be having a ball. No provider would be willing to have idle 125mbps 'sitting' idle. There could be other dynamics affecting pricing but idle capacity is not one of them. -----Original Message----- From: Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> Reply-to: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> To: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Are there any issues affecting Fiber optic cables? Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:20:38 +0300 Alex, Please demystify for us. What is inaccurate? And what is the correct state of affairs? On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Alex Nderitu <nderitualex@gmail.com> wrote: That article is not well researched! <snip> The EastAfrican has established that the providers are swamped with excess capacity after signing 25-year contracts for the biggest bandwidth tiers of 155mbps -- which, according to those in the know, is unlikely to be used within the contract period. Indeed, all that the providers are likely to sell is about 30mbps, but someone has to pay for the surplus -- inevitably, this will be the consumer </snip> This is out of ignorance. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
@Alex is the capacity we are talking about here capacity thats coming into and out of kenya? SKYPE: sobbayi US: +1 202 297 6831 +1 202 470 0525 KE: +254 722 627 691 Alex Nderitu wrote:
That article is not well researched!
<snip> The EastAfrican has established that the providers are swamped with excess capacity after signing 25-year contracts for the biggest bandwidth tiers of 155mbps -- which, according to those in the know, is unlikely to be used within the contract period. Indeed, all that the providers are likely to sell is about 30mbps, but someone has to pay for the surplus -- inevitably, this will be the consumer </snip>
This is out of ignorance.
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Liked that article which is exposing these cartels! Down with them....
On 06/10/2009, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com <mailto:conradakunga@gmail.com>> wrote:
Read this http://allafrica.com/stories/200910050984.html
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Joseph McDonald <mcdonaldoj@gmail.com <mailto:mcdonaldoj@gmail.com>>wrote:
It will be interesting to discuss how the TELECOMS have conspired (cartel like tendencies) to deny people cheaper internet
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Mike Otieno <motieno@skyvision.co.ke <mailto:motieno@skyvision.co.ke>>wrote:
Hi guys,
Are there any issues affecting the recently deployed fiber optic cables or fiber in general. Need the info for my thesis, any input will be highly appreciated.
Thanks.
Regards,
Mike Otieno.
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Yes. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> Reply-to: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> To: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Are there any issues affecting Fiber optic cables? Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:46:19 -0400 @Alex is the capacity we are talking about here capacity thats coming into and out of kenya? SKYPE: sobbayi US: +1 202 297 6831 +1 202 470 0525 KE: +254 722 627 691 Alex Nderitu wrote:
That article is not well researched!
<snip> The EastAfrican has established that the providers are swamped with excess capacity after signing 25-year contracts for the biggest bandwidth tiers of 155mbps -- which, according to those in the know, is unlikely to be used within the contract period. Indeed, all that the providers are likely to sell is about 30mbps, but someone has to pay for the surplus -- inevitably, this will be the consumer </snip>
This is out of ignorance.
-----Original Message----- *From*: Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com <mailto:Solomon%20Mburu%20%3csolo.mburu@gmail.com%3e>> *Reply-to*: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> *To*: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:Skunkworks%20Forum%20%3cskunkworks@lists.my.co.ke%3e>> *Subject*: Re: [Skunkworks] Are there any issues affecting Fiber optic cables? *Date*: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:09:00 +0300
Liked that article which is exposing these cartels! Down with them....
On 06/10/2009, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com <mailto:conradakunga@gmail.com>> wrote:
Read this http://allafrica.com/stories/200910050984.html
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Joseph McDonald <mcdonaldoj@gmail.com <mailto:mcdonaldoj@gmail.com>>wrote:
It will be interesting to discuss how the TELECOMS have conspired (cartel like tendencies) to deny people cheaper internet
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Mike Otieno <motieno@skyvision.co.ke <mailto:motieno@skyvision.co.ke>>wrote:
Hi guys,
Are there any issues affecting the recently deployed fiber optic cables or fiber in general. Need the info for my thesis, any input will be highly appreciated.
Thanks.
Regards,
Mike Otieno.
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At this point am thinking why cant providers in Kenya get more innovative and start thinking out of the box. just out of the top of my head am thinking... as a provider why wouldnt I provide incentives for developers to team up or individually do something like develop a gaming ecosystem for example within their networks . this would be reason for international users to subscribe therefore driving up the numbers and that in turn can attract advertising and drive up the $$$ Opportunities are unlimited and just waiting for the pickings and what is not realized is that developers are the key and those are the people providers should be coaxing to make this stuff a reality rather than sticking to their traditional business models and charging an arm and a leg to provide connectivity. SKYPE: sobbayi US: +1 202 297 6831 +1 202 470 0525 KE: +254 722 627 691 Alex Nderitu wrote:
Yes.
-----Original Message----- *From*: Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com <mailto:Steve%20Obbayi%20%3csteve@sobbayi.com%3e>> *Reply-to*: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> *To*: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:Skunkworks%20Forum%20%3cskunkworks@lists.my.co.ke%3e>> *Subject*: Re: [Skunkworks] Are there any issues affecting Fiber optic cables? *Date*: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:46:19 -0400
@Alex is the capacity we are talking about here capacity thats coming into and out of kenya?
SKYPE: sobbayi US: +1 202 297 6831 +1 202 470 0525 KE: +254 722 627 691
Alex Nderitu wrote:
That article is not well researched!
<snip> The EastAfrican has established that the providers are swamped with excess capacity after signing 25-year contracts for the biggest bandwidth tiers of 155mbps -- which, according to those in the know, is unlikely to be used within the contract period. Indeed, all that the providers are likely to sell is about 30mbps, but someone has to pay for the surplus -- inevitably, this will be the consumer </snip>
This is out of ignorance.
-----Original Message----- *From*: Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com <mailto:solo.mburu@gmail.com> <mailto:Solomon%20Mburu%20%3csolo.mburu@gmail.com%3e>> *Reply-to*: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke>> *To*: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> <mailto:Skunkworks%20Forum%20%3cskunkworks@lists.my.co.ke%3e>> *Subject*: Re: [Skunkworks] Are there any issues affecting Fiber optic cables? *Date*: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:09:00 +0300
Liked that article which is exposing these cartels! Down with them....
On 06/10/2009, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com <mailto:conradakunga@gmail.com> <mailto:conradakunga@gmail.com>> wrote:
Read this http://allafrica.com/stories/200910050984.html
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Joseph McDonald <mcdonaldoj@gmail.com <mailto:mcdonaldoj@gmail.com> <mailto:mcdonaldoj@gmail.com>>wrote:
It will be interesting to discuss how the TELECOMS have conspired (cartel like tendencies) to deny people cheaper internet
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Mike Otieno <motieno@skyvision.co.ke <mailto:motieno@skyvision.co.ke> <mailto:motieno@skyvision.co.ke>>wrote:
Hi guys,
Are there any issues affecting the recently deployed fiber optic cables or fiber in general. Need the info for my thesis, any input will be highly appreciated.
Thanks.
Regards,
Mike Otieno.
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The only accuracy here is the issue of cartels. The rest, a further research is needed. Hope Mike Otieno is picking something here for his research. On 06/10/2009, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
At this point am thinking why cant providers in Kenya get more innovative and start thinking out of the box. just out of the top of my head am thinking... as a provider why wouldnt I provide incentives for developers to team up or individually do something like develop a gaming ecosystem for example within their networks . this would be reason for international users to subscribe therefore driving up the numbers and that in turn can attract advertising and drive up the $$$
Opportunities are unlimited and just waiting for the pickings and what is not realized is that developers are the key and those are the people providers should be coaxing to make this stuff a reality rather than sticking to their traditional business models and charging an arm and a leg to provide connectivity.
SKYPE: sobbayi US: +1 202 297 6831 +1 202 470 0525 KE: +254 722 627 691
Alex Nderitu wrote:
Yes.
-----Original Message----- *From*: Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com <mailto:Steve%20Obbayi%20%3csteve@sobbayi.com%3e>> *Reply-to*: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> *To*: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:Skunkworks%20Forum%20%3cskunkworks@lists.my.co.ke%3e>> *Subject*: Re: [Skunkworks] Are there any issues affecting Fiber optic cables? *Date*: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:46:19 -0400
@Alex is the capacity we are talking about here capacity thats coming into and out of kenya?
SKYPE: sobbayi US: +1 202 297 6831 +1 202 470 0525 KE: +254 722 627 691
Alex Nderitu wrote:
That article is not well researched!
<snip> The EastAfrican has established that the providers are swamped with excess capacity after signing 25-year contracts for the biggest bandwidth tiers of 155mbps -- which, according to those in the know, is unlikely to be used within the contract period. Indeed, all that the providers are likely to sell is about 30mbps, but someone has to pay for the surplus -- inevitably, this will be the consumer </snip>
This is out of ignorance.
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Liked that article which is exposing these cartels! Down with them....
On 06/10/2009, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com <mailto:conradakunga@gmail.com> <mailto:conradakunga@gmail.com>> wrote:
Read this http://allafrica.com/stories/200910050984.html
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Joseph McDonald <mcdonaldoj@gmail.com <mailto:mcdonaldoj@gmail.com> <mailto:mcdonaldoj@gmail.com>>wrote:
It will be interesting to discuss how the TELECOMS have conspired (cartel like tendencies) to deny people cheaper internet
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Mike Otieno <motieno@skyvision.co.ke <mailto:motieno@skyvision.co.ke> <mailto:motieno@skyvision.co.ke>>wrote:
Hi guys,
Are there any issues affecting the recently deployed fiber optic cables or fiber in general. Need the info for my thesis, any input will be highly appreciated.
Thanks.
Regards,
Mike Otieno.
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I am. I'm picking quite alot actually. These are the issues I will be researching on. Regards, Mike Otieno. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 6, 2009, at 4:35 PM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
The only accuracy here is the issue of cartels. The rest, a further research is needed. Hope Mike Otieno is picking something here for his research.
On 06/10/2009, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
At this point am thinking why cant providers in Kenya get more innovative and start thinking out of the box. just out of the top of my head am thinking... as a provider why wouldnt I provide incentives for developers to team up or individually do something like develop a gaming ecosystem for example within their networks . this would be reason for international users to subscribe therefore driving up the numbers and that in turn can attract advertising and drive up the $$$
Opportunities are unlimited and just waiting for the pickings and what is not realized is that developers are the key and those are the people providers should be coaxing to make this stuff a reality rather than sticking to their traditional business models and charging an arm and a leg to provide connectivity.
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Alex Nderitu wrote:
Yes.
-----Original Message----- *From*: Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com <mailto:Steve%20Obbayi%20%3csteve@sobbayi.com%3e>> *Reply-to*: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> *To*: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:Skunkworks%20Forum%20%3cskunkworks@lists.my.co.ke%3e>> *Subject*: Re: [Skunkworks] Are there any issues affecting Fiber optic cables? *Date*: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:46:19 -0400
@ Dennis send the BD link. This is now getting interesting! On 06/10/2009, Mike Otieno <motieno@skyvision.co.ke> wrote:
I am. I'm picking quite alot actually. These are the issues I will be researching on.
Regards,
Mike Otieno.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 6, 2009, at 4:35 PM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
The only accuracy here is the issue of cartels. The rest, a further research is needed. Hope Mike Otieno is picking something here for his research.
On 06/10/2009, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
At this point am thinking why cant providers in Kenya get more innovative and start thinking out of the box. just out of the top of my head am thinking... as a provider why wouldnt I provide incentives for developers to team up or individually do something like develop a gaming ecosystem for example within their networks . this would be reason for international users to subscribe therefore driving up the numbers and that in turn can attract advertising and drive up the $$$
Opportunities are unlimited and just waiting for the pickings and what is not realized is that developers are the key and those are the people providers should be coaxing to make this stuff a reality rather than sticking to their traditional business models and charging an arm and a leg to provide connectivity.
SKYPE: sobbayi US: +1 202 297 6831 +1 202 470 0525 KE: +254 722 627 691
Alex Nderitu wrote:
Yes.
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here is the bd link http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Company%20Industry/-/539550/668600/-/u6gr... 2009/10/6 Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com>
@ Dennis send the BD link. This is now getting interesting!
On 06/10/2009, Mike Otieno <motieno@skyvision.co.ke> wrote:
I am. I'm picking quite alot actually. These are the issues I will be researching on.
Regards,
Mike Otieno.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 6, 2009, at 4:35 PM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
The only accuracy here is the issue of cartels. The rest, a further research is needed. Hope Mike Otieno is picking something here for his research.
On 06/10/2009, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
At this point am thinking why cant providers in Kenya get more innovative and start thinking out of the box. just out of the top of my head am thinking... as a provider why wouldnt I provide incentives for developers to team up or individually do something like develop a gaming ecosystem for example within their networks . this would be reason for international users to subscribe therefore driving up the numbers and that in turn can attract advertising and drive up the $$$
Opportunities are unlimited and just waiting for the pickings and what is not realized is that developers are the key and those are the people providers should be coaxing to make this stuff a reality rather than sticking to their traditional business models and charging an arm and a leg to provide connectivity.
SKYPE: sobbayi US: +1 202 297 6831 +1 202 470 0525 KE: +254 722 627 691
Alex Nderitu wrote:
Yes.
-----Original Message----- *From*: Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com <mailto:Steve%20Obbayi%20%3csteve@sobbayi.com<Steve%2520Obbayi%2520%253csteve@sobbayi.com> %3e>> *Reply-to*: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> *To*: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:Skunkworks%20Forum%20%3cskunkworks@lists.my.co.ke<Skunkworks%2520Forum%2520%253cskunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> %3e>> *Subject*: Re: [Skunkworks] Are there any issues affecting Fiber optic cables? *Date*: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:46:19 -0400
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Surely, people can go an extra mile to damage their rivals reputation. Fibre-vandalism should earn a 20 Year penality, without an option of a fine. It beats logic to destroy cables from rivals and still want to remain afloat. I opine our telcos lack innovation if they can go to this level. On 06/10/2009, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
here is the bd link http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Company%20Industry/-/539550/668600/-/u6gr...
2009/10/6 Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com>
@ Dennis send the BD link. This is now getting interesting!
On 06/10/2009, Mike Otieno <motieno@skyvision.co.ke> wrote:
I am. I'm picking quite alot actually. These are the issues I will be researching on.
Regards,
Mike Otieno.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 6, 2009, at 4:35 PM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
The only accuracy here is the issue of cartels. The rest, a further research is needed. Hope Mike Otieno is picking something here for his research.
On 06/10/2009, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
At this point am thinking why cant providers in Kenya get more innovative and start thinking out of the box. just out of the top of my head am thinking... as a provider why wouldnt I provide incentives for developers to team up or individually do something like develop a gaming ecosystem for example within their networks . this would be reason for international users to subscribe therefore driving up the numbers and that in turn can attract advertising and drive up the $$$
Opportunities are unlimited and just waiting for the pickings and what is not realized is that developers are the key and those are the people providers should be coaxing to make this stuff a reality rather than sticking to their traditional business models and charging an arm and a leg to provide connectivity.
SKYPE: sobbayi US: +1 202 297 6831 +1 202 470 0525 KE: +254 722 627 691
Alex Nderitu wrote:
Yes.
-----Original Message----- *From*: Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com <mailto:Steve%20Obbayi%20%3csteve@sobbayi.com<Steve%2520Obbayi%2520%253csteve@sobbayi.com> %3e>> *Reply-to*: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> *To*: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:Skunkworks%20Forum%20%3cskunkworks@lists.my.co.ke<Skunkworks%2520Forum%2520%253cskunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> %3e>> *Subject*: Re: [Skunkworks] Are there any issues affecting Fiber optic cables? *Date*: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:46:19 -0400
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there is also an article on the business daily site about rival operators cutting competitors cables On 06/10/2009, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
At this point am thinking why cant providers in Kenya get more innovative and start thinking out of the box. just out of the top of my head am thinking... as a provider why wouldnt I provide incentives for developers to team up or individually do something like develop a gaming ecosystem for example within their networks . this would be reason for international users to subscribe therefore driving up the numbers and that in turn can attract advertising and drive up the $$$
Opportunities are unlimited and just waiting for the pickings and what is not realized is that developers are the key and those are the people providers should be coaxing to make this stuff a reality rather than sticking to their traditional business models and charging an arm and a leg to provide connectivity.
SKYPE: sobbayi US: +1 202 297 6831 +1 202 470 0525 KE: +254 722 627 691
Alex Nderitu wrote:
Yes.
-----Original Message----- *From*: Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com <mailto:Steve%20Obbayi%20%3csteve@sobbayi.com%3e>> *Reply-to*: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> *To*: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:Skunkworks%20Forum%20%3cskunkworks@lists.my.co.ke%3e>> *Subject*: Re: [Skunkworks] Are there any issues affecting Fiber optic cables? *Date*: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:46:19 -0400
@Alex is the capacity we are talking about here capacity thats coming into and out of kenya?
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Alex Nderitu wrote:
That article is not well researched!
<snip> The EastAfrican has established that the providers are swamped with excess capacity after signing 25-year contracts for the biggest bandwidth tiers of 155mbps -- which, according to those in the know, is unlikely to be used within the contract period. Indeed, all that the providers are likely to sell is about 30mbps, but someone has to pay for the surplus -- inevitably, this will be the consumer </snip>
This is out of ignorance.
-----Original Message----- *From*: Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com <mailto:solo.mburu@gmail.com> <mailto:Solomon%20Mburu%20%3csolo.mburu@gmail.com%3e>> *Reply-to*: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke>> *To*: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> <mailto:Skunkworks%20Forum%20%3cskunkworks@lists.my.co.ke%3e>> *Subject*: Re: [Skunkworks] Are there any issues affecting Fiber optic cables? *Date*: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:09:00 +0300
Liked that article which is exposing these cartels! Down with them....
On 06/10/2009, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com <mailto:conradakunga@gmail.com> <mailto:conradakunga@gmail.com>> wrote:
Read this http://allafrica.com/stories/200910050984.html
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Joseph McDonald <mcdonaldoj@gmail.com <mailto:mcdonaldoj@gmail.com> <mailto:mcdonaldoj@gmail.com>>wrote:
It will be interesting to discuss how the TELECOMS have conspired (cartel like tendencies) to deny people cheaper internet
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Mike Otieno <motieno@skyvision.co.ke <mailto:motieno@skyvision.co.ke> <mailto:motieno@skyvision.co.ke>>wrote:
Hi guys,
Are there any issues affecting the recently deployed fiber optic cables or fiber in general. Need the info for my thesis, any input will be highly appreciated.
Thanks.
Regards,
Mike Otieno.
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By the way at a small fee I can give you a user name and password and you can search using the keywords such as fibre-obtic,under-sea cable etc and you will be able to get all articles from all dailies (Nation,Standard,Citizen,East African,Business Daily,People and The Star) as from wayback as you want. This way you can get all the information you want On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Liked that article which is exposing these cartels! Down with them....
On 06/10/2009, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Read this http://allafrica.com/stories/200910050984.html
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Joseph McDonald <mcdonaldoj@gmail.com wrote:
It will be interesting to discuss how the TELECOMS have conspired (cartel like tendencies) to deny people cheaper internet
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Mike Otieno <motieno@skyvision.co.ke>wrote:
Hi guys,
Are there any issues affecting the recently deployed fiber optic cables or fiber in general. Need the info for my thesis, any input will be highly appreciated.
Thanks.
Regards,
Mike Otieno.
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Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all the same way to the side of a hill!
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