Of processors, RAM, and 64bit vs 32bit Operating Systems
So I am having this argument of a lifetime with a respected, local techie journalist: *His argument:* That increasing the RAM of a computer does not necessarily increase its speed or responsiveness. *If you add more RAM, the processor speed wont change in any way, you will only have huge jobs stored on the RAM (Because of its large capacity) but the processing time will be the same, hence the computer wont be fast enough as you would expect.* *My argument* That he is nuts and should be stripped of the respected techie journalist tag. I hold that more RAM will definitely result into some speed improvement. *The source of the argument:* An Apple MacBook (13-inch, Late 2007) <http://support.apple.com/kb/sp12>, with a 2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo <http://ark.intel.com/products/30781>, and currently with 1GB DDR 2 PC2-5300 RAM. The laptop is running Mac OS X 10.5. Now, he says that upgrading this machine to 4GB is a waste of money, since there will be no change in the speed of the laptop, because, that processor can only handle 1GB, the factory installed RAM. Can a more learned skunk explain the folly of my/his argument.
Ask him a simple question: How does a computer use RAM? If he answers that, then perhaps you'll be excused if you asked him the significance of having more RAM. Also, might he be knowing the need for a swapfile/paging file/virtual memory? Nkt RAM is a temporary computing space. With multitasking, and larger RAM, several processes get to run and be completed as opposed to having to wait for "limited temporary computing space (low RAM)" to be available so that other processes can run. How does he define "speed" in computing terms? If he says more RAM does not help a computer, he should better go back to Abacus. I think it never required RAM:) He should be stripped of the "techie" tag! I concur. On 3 May 2013 19:08, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
So I am having this argument of a lifetime with a respected, local techie journalist:
*His argument:* That increasing the RAM of a computer does not necessarily increase its speed or responsiveness.
*If you add more RAM, the processor speed wont change in any way, you will only have huge jobs stored on the RAM (Because of its large capacity) but the processing time will be the same, hence the computer wont be fast enough as you would expect.*
*My argument* That he is nuts and should be stripped of the respected techie journalist tag. I hold that more RAM will definitely result into some speed improvement.
*The source of the argument:* An Apple MacBook (13-inch, Late 2007) <http://support.apple.com/kb/sp12>, with a 2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo <http://ark.intel.com/products/30781>, and currently with 1GB DDR 2 PC2-5300 RAM. The laptop is running Mac OS X 10.5.
Now, he says that upgrading this machine to 4GB is a waste of money, since there will be no change in the speed of the laptop, because, that processor can only handle 1GB, the factory installed RAM.
Can a more learned skunk explain the folly of my/his argument.
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Really? Does he also think tupac is alive? On May 3, 2013 7:40 PM, "Odhiambo Washington" <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Ask him a simple question: How does a computer use RAM? If he answers that, then perhaps you'll be excused if you asked him the significance of having more RAM. Also, might he be knowing the need for a swapfile/paging file/virtual memory? Nkt
RAM is a temporary computing space. With multitasking, and larger RAM, several processes get to run and be completed as opposed to having to wait for "limited temporary computing space (low RAM)" to be available so that other processes can run.
How does he define "speed" in computing terms?
If he says more RAM does not help a computer, he should better go back to Abacus. I think it never required RAM:)
He should be stripped of the "techie" tag! I concur.
On 3 May 2013 19:08, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
So I am having this argument of a lifetime with a respected, local techie journalist:
*His argument:* That increasing the RAM of a computer does not necessarily increase its speed or responsiveness.
*If you add more RAM, the processor speed wont change in any way, you will only have huge jobs stored on the RAM (Because of its large capacity) but the processing time will be the same, hence the computer wont be fast enough as you would expect.*
*My argument* That he is nuts and should be stripped of the respected techie journalist tag. I hold that more RAM will definitely result into some speed improvement.
*The source of the argument:* An Apple MacBook (13-inch, Late 2007) <http://support.apple.com/kb/sp12>, with a 2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo <http://ark.intel.com/products/30781>, and currently with 1GB DDR 2 PC2-5300 RAM. The laptop is running Mac OS X 10.5.
Now, he says that upgrading this machine to 4GB is a waste of money, since there will be no change in the speed of the laptop, because, that processor can only handle 1GB, the factory installed RAM.
Can a more learned skunk explain the folly of my/his argument.
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You actually argued? You have lotsa patience. He probably doesnt appreciate how the pc does what it does. More ram is in my opinion better than a faster processor when trying to increase processing capacity. On Friday, 3 May 2013, george wrote:
Really? Does he also think tupac is alive? On May 3, 2013 7:40 PM, "Odhiambo Washington" <odhiambo@gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'odhiambo@gmail.com');>> wrote:
Ask him a simple question: How does a computer use RAM? If he answers that, then perhaps you'll be excused if you asked him the significance of having more RAM. Also, might he be knowing the need for a swapfile/paging file/virtual memory? Nkt
RAM is a temporary computing space. With multitasking, and larger RAM, several processes get to run and be completed as opposed to having to wait for "limited temporary computing space (low RAM)" to be available so that other processes can run.
How does he define "speed" in computing terms?
If he says more RAM does not help a computer, he should better go back to Abacus. I think it never required RAM:)
He should be stripped of the "techie" tag! I concur.
On 3 May 2013 19:08, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'pkarunyu@gmail.com');>
wrote:
So I am having this argument of a lifetime with a respected, local techie journalist:
*His argument:* That increasing the RAM of a computer does not necessarily increase its speed or responsiveness.
*If you add more RAM, the processor speed wont change in any way, you will only have huge jobs stored on the RAM (Because of its large capacity) but the processing time will be the same, hence the computer wont be fast enough as you would expect.*
*My argument* That he is nuts and should be stripped of the respected techie journalist tag. I hold that more RAM will definitely result into some speed improvement.
*The source of the argument:* An Apple MacBook (13-inch, Late 2007) <http://support.apple.com/kb/sp12>, with a 2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo <http://ark.intel.com/products/30781>, and currently with 1GB DDR 2 PC2-5300 RAM. The laptop is running Mac OS X 10.5.
Now, he says that upgrading this machine to 4GB is a waste of money, since there will be no change in the speed of the laptop, because, that processor can only handle 1GB, the factory installed RAM.
Can a more learned skunk explain the folly of my/his argument.
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Ashamed to respond to this, but can you simply look at the processor idle time...there lies the answer. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
You actually argued? You have lotsa patience. He probably doesnt appreciate how the pc does what it does. More ram is in my opinion better than a faster processor when trying to increase processing capacity.
On Friday, 3 May 2013, george wrote:
Really? Does he also think tupac is alive? On May 3, 2013 7:40 PM, "Odhiambo Washington" <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Ask him a simple question: How does a computer use RAM? If he answers that, then perhaps you'll be excused if you asked him the significance of having more RAM. Also, might he be knowing the need for a swapfile/paging file/virtual memory? Nkt
RAM is a temporary computing space. With multitasking, and larger RAM, several processes get to run and be completed as opposed to having to wait for "limited temporary computing space (low RAM)" to be available so that other processes can run.
How does he define "speed" in computing terms?
If he says more RAM does not help a computer, he should better go back to Abacus. I think it never required RAM:)
He should be stripped of the "techie" tag! I concur.
On 3 May 2013 19:08, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
So I am having this argument of a lifetime with a respected, local techie journalist:
*His argument:* That increasing the RAM of a computer does not necessarily increase its speed or responsiveness.
*If you add more RAM, the processor speed wont change in any way, you will only have huge jobs stored on the RAM (Because of its large capacity) but the processing time will be the same, hence the computer wont be fast enough as you would expect.*
*My argument* That he is nuts and should be stripped of the respected techie journalist tag. I hold that more RAM will definitely result into some speed improvement.
*The source of the argument:* An Apple MacBook (13-inch, Late 2007)<http://support.apple.com/kb/sp12>, with a 2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo <http://ark.intel.com/products/30781>, and currently with 1GB DDR 2 PC2-5300 RAM. The laptop is running Mac OS X 10.5.
Now, he says that upgrading this machine to 4GB is a waste of money, since there will be no change in the speed of the laptop, because, that processor can only handle 1GB, the factory installed RAM.
Can a more learned skunk explain the folly of my/his argument.
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I think what he/she was trying to say is there is a point after which adding more RAM doesn't add value. Once you reach a balance between the CPU and RAM then adding more RAM will not make the PC run any faster even with shorter access times since the CPU can only take up so much. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Paul Roy <roykoikai@gmail.com> wrote:
Ashamed to respond to this, but can you simply look at the processor idle time...there lies the answer.
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
You actually argued? You have lotsa patience. He probably doesnt appreciate how the pc does what it does. More ram is in my opinion better than a faster processor when trying to increase processing capacity.
On Friday, 3 May 2013, george wrote:
Really? Does he also think tupac is alive? On May 3, 2013 7:40 PM, "Odhiambo Washington" <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Ask him a simple question: How does a computer use RAM? If he answers that, then perhaps you'll be excused if you asked him the significance of having more RAM. Also, might he be knowing the need for a swapfile/paging file/virtual memory? Nkt
RAM is a temporary computing space. With multitasking, and larger RAM, several processes get to run and be completed as opposed to having to wait for "limited temporary computing space (low RAM)" to be available so that other processes can run.
How does he define "speed" in computing terms?
If he says more RAM does not help a computer, he should better go back to Abacus. I think it never required RAM:)
He should be stripped of the "techie" tag! I concur.
On 3 May 2013 19:08, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
So I am having this argument of a lifetime with a respected, local techie journalist:
*His argument:* That increasing the RAM of a computer does not necessarily increase its speed or responsiveness.
*If you add more RAM, the processor speed wont change in any way, you will only have huge jobs stored on the RAM (Because of its large capacity) but the processing time will be the same, hence the computer wont be fast enough as you would expect.*
*My argument* That he is nuts and should be stripped of the respected techie journalist tag. I hold that more RAM will definitely result into some speed improvement.
*The source of the argument:* An Apple MacBook (13-inch, Late 2007)<http://support.apple.com/kb/sp12>, with a 2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo <http://ark.intel.com/products/30781>, and currently with 1GB DDR 2 PC2-5300 RAM. The laptop is running Mac OS X 10.5.
Now, he says that upgrading this machine to 4GB is a waste of money, since there will be no change in the speed of the laptop, because, that processor can only handle 1GB, the factory installed RAM.
Can a more learned skunk explain the folly of my/his argument.
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I'm not sure if / how this fits in the arguement: I have a similar macbook and changing the harddisk to an SSD has major speed increase in booting, opening apps and general use if the comp. I haven't increased the ram yet, but so far its like a new machine. On 3 May 2013 21:20, Job Muriuki <muriukin@gmail.com> wrote:
I think what he/she was trying to say is there is a point after which adding more RAM doesn't add value. Once you reach a balance between the CPU and RAM then adding more RAM will not make the PC run any faster even with shorter access times since the CPU can only take up so much.
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Paul Roy <roykoikai@gmail.com> wrote:
Ashamed to respond to this, but can you simply look at the processor idle time...there lies the answer.
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
You actually argued? You have lotsa patience. He probably doesnt appreciate how the pc does what it does. More ram is in my opinion better than a faster processor when trying to increase processing capacity.
On Friday, 3 May 2013, george wrote:
Really? Does he also think tupac is alive? On May 3, 2013 7:40 PM, "Odhiambo Washington" <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Ask him a simple question: How does a computer use RAM? If he answers that, then perhaps you'll be excused if you asked him the significance of having more RAM. Also, might he be knowing the need for a swapfile/paging file/virtual memory? Nkt
RAM is a temporary computing space. With multitasking, and larger RAM, several processes get to run and be completed as opposed to having to wait for "limited temporary computing space (low RAM)" to be available so that other processes can run.
How does he define "speed" in computing terms?
If he says more RAM does not help a computer, he should better go back to Abacus. I think it never required RAM:)
He should be stripped of the "techie" tag! I concur.
On 3 May 2013 19:08, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
So I am having this argument of a lifetime with a respected, local techie journalist:
*His argument:* That increasing the RAM of a computer does not necessarily increase its speed or responsiveness.
*If you add more RAM, the processor speed wont change in any way, you will only have huge jobs stored on the RAM (Because of its large capacity) but the processing time will be the same, hence the computer wont be fast enough as you would expect.*
*My argument* That he is nuts and should be stripped of the respected techie journalist tag. I hold that more RAM will definitely result into some speed improvement.
*The source of the argument:* An Apple MacBook (13-inch, Late 2007)<http://support.apple.com/kb/sp12>, with a 2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo <http://ark.intel.com/products/30781>, and currently with 1GB DDR 2 PC2-5300 RAM. The laptop is running Mac OS X 10.5.
Now, he says that upgrading this machine to 4GB is a waste of money, since there will be no change in the speed of the laptop, because, that processor can only handle 1GB, the factory installed RAM.
Can a more learned skunk explain the folly of my/his argument.
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Mac example helps. Alot of RAM (fast RAM) reduces the need for Paging ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paging) Paging is slow because disks are fragmented, have moving parts etc etc etc (you dont want speed to depend on disk RPM) SSDs have no mechanical parts so faster and use less battery ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive) In databases its worse ... if you have enough memory, you can pin the whole database on RAM, if not, there will be delays as you wait for data pages to to picked from the disks. Fast drives(SSD) help, Fast RAM helps - in a perfect world, you get fast drives, ram and cpu On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 11:15 PM, Gichingiri Kuria <gmail@gichingiri.com>wrote:
I'm not sure if / how this fits in the arguement: I have a similar macbook and changing the harddisk to an SSD has major speed increase in booting, opening apps and general use if the comp. I haven't increased the ram yet, but so far its like a new machine.
On 3 May 2013 21:20, Job Muriuki <muriukin@gmail.com> wrote:
I think what he/she was trying to say is there is a point after which adding more RAM doesn't add value. Once you reach a balance between the CPU and RAM then adding more RAM will not make the PC run any faster even with shorter access times since the CPU can only take up so much.
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Paul Roy <roykoikai@gmail.com> wrote:
Ashamed to respond to this, but can you simply look at the processor idle time...there lies the answer.
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
You actually argued? You have lotsa patience. He probably doesnt appreciate how the pc does what it does. More ram is in my opinion better than a faster processor when trying to increase processing capacity.
On Friday, 3 May 2013, george wrote:
Really? Does he also think tupac is alive? On May 3, 2013 7:40 PM, "Odhiambo Washington" <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Ask him a simple question: How does a computer use RAM? If he answers that, then perhaps you'll be excused if you asked him the significance of having more RAM. Also, might he be knowing the need for a swapfile/paging file/virtual memory? Nkt
RAM is a temporary computing space. With multitasking, and larger RAM, several processes get to run and be completed as opposed to having to wait for "limited temporary computing space (low RAM)" to be available so that other processes can run.
How does he define "speed" in computing terms?
If he says more RAM does not help a computer, he should better go back to Abacus. I think it never required RAM:)
He should be stripped of the "techie" tag! I concur.
On 3 May 2013 19:08, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
> So I am having this argument of a lifetime with a respected, local > techie journalist: > > *His argument:* > That increasing the RAM of a computer does not necessarily increase > its speed or responsiveness. > > *If you add more RAM, the processor speed wont change in any way, > you will only have huge jobs stored on the RAM (Because of its large > capacity) but the processing time will be the same, hence the computer wont > be fast enough as you would expect.* > > *My argument* > That he is nuts and should be stripped of the respected techie > journalist tag. I hold that more RAM will definitely result into some speed > improvement. > > *The source of the argument:* > An Apple MacBook (13-inch, Late 2007)<http://support.apple.com/kb/sp12>, > with a 2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo <http://ark.intel.com/products/30781>, > and currently with 1GB DDR 2 PC2-5300 RAM. The laptop is running Mac OS X > 10.5. > > Now, he says that upgrading this machine to 4GB is a waste of money, > since there will be no change in the speed of the laptop, because, that > processor can only handle 1GB, the factory installed RAM. > > Can a more learned skunk explain the folly of my/his argument. > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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+1 @Agosta On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 1:19 AM, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
Mac example helps.
Alot of RAM (fast RAM) reduces the need for Paging ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paging)
Paging is slow because disks are fragmented, have moving parts etc etc etc (you dont want speed to depend on disk RPM)
SSDs have no mechanical parts so faster and use less battery ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive)
In databases its worse ... if you have enough memory, you can pin the whole database on RAM, if not, there will be delays as you wait for data pages to to picked from the disks.
Fast drives(SSD) help, Fast RAM helps - in a perfect world, you get fast drives, ram and cpu
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 11:15 PM, Gichingiri Kuria <gmail@gichingiri.com>wrote:
I'm not sure if / how this fits in the arguement: I have a similar macbook and changing the harddisk to an SSD has major speed increase in booting, opening apps and general use if the comp. I haven't increased the ram yet, but so far its like a new machine.
On 3 May 2013 21:20, Job Muriuki <muriukin@gmail.com> wrote:
I think what he/she was trying to say is there is a point after which adding more RAM doesn't add value. Once you reach a balance between the CPU and RAM then adding more RAM will not make the PC run any faster even with shorter access times since the CPU can only take up so much.
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Paul Roy <roykoikai@gmail.com> wrote:
Ashamed to respond to this, but can you simply look at the processor idle time...there lies the answer.
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
You actually argued? You have lotsa patience. He probably doesnt appreciate how the pc does what it does. More ram is in my opinion better than a faster processor when trying to increase processing capacity.
On Friday, 3 May 2013, george wrote:
Really? Does he also think tupac is alive? On May 3, 2013 7:40 PM, "Odhiambo Washington" <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ask him a simple question: How does a computer use RAM? If he > answers that, then perhaps you'll be excused if you asked him the > significance of having more RAM. Also, might he be knowing the need for a > swapfile/paging file/virtual memory? Nkt > > RAM is a temporary computing space. With multitasking, and larger > RAM, several processes get to run and be completed as opposed to having to > wait for "limited temporary computing space (low RAM)" to be available so > that other processes can run. > > How does he define "speed" in computing terms? > > If he says more RAM does not help a computer, he should better go > back to Abacus. I think it never required RAM:) > > He should be stripped of the "techie" tag! I concur. > > > > On 3 May 2013 19:08, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote: > >> So I am having this argument of a lifetime with a respected, local >> techie journalist: >> >> *His argument:* >> That increasing the RAM of a computer does not necessarily increase >> its speed or responsiveness. >> >> *If you add more RAM, the processor speed wont change in any way, >> you will only have huge jobs stored on the RAM (Because of its large >> capacity) but the processing time will be the same, hence the computer wont >> be fast enough as you would expect.* >> >> *My argument* >> That he is nuts and should be stripped of the respected techie >> journalist tag. I hold that more RAM will definitely result into some speed >> improvement. >> >> *The source of the argument:* >> An Apple MacBook (13-inch, Late 2007)<http://support.apple.com/kb/sp12>, >> with a 2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo<http://ark.intel.com/products/30781>, >> and currently with 1GB DDR 2 PC2-5300 RAM. The laptop is running Mac OS X >> 10.5. >> >> Now, he says that upgrading this machine to 4GB is a waste of >> money, since there will be no change in the speed of the laptop, because, >> that processor can only handle 1GB, the factory installed RAM. >> >> Can a more learned skunk explain the folly of my/his argument. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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Of good note is that increasing RAM increases speed of processing but only up to a certain limit, thats why certain processor specs will only take certain RAM of certain speed and capacity. This calculation is already done for you by the computer manufacturer. ./Ok3ch On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 1:31 AM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
+1 @Agosta
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 1:19 AM, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
Mac example helps.
Alot of RAM (fast RAM) reduces the need for Paging ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paging)
Paging is slow because disks are fragmented, have moving parts etc etc etc (you dont want speed to depend on disk RPM)
SSDs have no mechanical parts so faster and use less battery ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive)
In databases its worse ... if you have enough memory, you can pin the whole database on RAM, if not, there will be delays as you wait for data pages to to picked from the disks.
Fast drives(SSD) help, Fast RAM helps - in a perfect world, you get fast drives, ram and cpu
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 11:15 PM, Gichingiri Kuria <gmail@gichingiri.com>wrote:
I'm not sure if / how this fits in the arguement: I have a similar macbook and changing the harddisk to an SSD has major speed increase in booting, opening apps and general use if the comp. I haven't increased the ram yet, but so far its like a new machine.
On 3 May 2013 21:20, Job Muriuki <muriukin@gmail.com> wrote:
I think what he/she was trying to say is there is a point after which adding more RAM doesn't add value. Once you reach a balance between the CPU and RAM then adding more RAM will not make the PC run any faster even with shorter access times since the CPU can only take up so much.
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Paul Roy <roykoikai@gmail.com> wrote:
Ashamed to respond to this, but can you simply look at the processor idle time...there lies the answer.
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
You actually argued? You have lotsa patience. He probably doesnt appreciate how the pc does what it does. More ram is in my opinion better than a faster processor when trying to increase processing capacity.
On Friday, 3 May 2013, george wrote:
> Really? Does he also think tupac is alive? > On May 3, 2013 7:40 PM, "Odhiambo Washington" <odhiambo@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Ask him a simple question: How does a computer use RAM? If he >> answers that, then perhaps you'll be excused if you asked him the >> significance of having more RAM. Also, might he be knowing the need for a >> swapfile/paging file/virtual memory? Nkt >> >> RAM is a temporary computing space. With multitasking, and larger >> RAM, several processes get to run and be completed as opposed to having to >> wait for "limited temporary computing space (low RAM)" to be available so >> that other processes can run. >> >> How does he define "speed" in computing terms? >> >> If he says more RAM does not help a computer, he should better go >> back to Abacus. I think it never required RAM:) >> >> He should be stripped of the "techie" tag! I concur. >> >> >> >> On 3 May 2013 19:08, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> So I am having this argument of a lifetime with a respected, local >>> techie journalist: >>> >>> *His argument:* >>> That increasing the RAM of a computer does not necessarily >>> increase its speed or responsiveness. >>> >>> *If you add more RAM, the processor speed wont change in any way, >>> you will only have huge jobs stored on the RAM (Because of its large >>> capacity) but the processing time will be the same, hence the computer wont >>> be fast enough as you would expect.* >>> >>> *My argument* >>> That he is nuts and should be stripped of the respected techie >>> journalist tag. I hold that more RAM will definitely result into some speed >>> improvement. >>> >>> *The source of the argument:* >>> An Apple MacBook (13-inch, Late 2007)<http://support.apple.com/kb/sp12>, >>> with a 2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo<http://ark.intel.com/products/30781>, >>> and currently with 1GB DDR 2 PC2-5300 RAM. The laptop is running Mac OS X >>> 10.5. >>> >>> Now, he says that upgrading this machine to 4GB is a waste of >>> money, since there will be no change in the speed of the laptop, because, >>> that processor can only handle 1GB, the factory installed RAM. >>> >>> Can a more learned skunk explain the folly of my/his argument. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> Nairobi,KE >> +254733744121/+254722743223 >> "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >
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Also note if he is going beyond 2GB of RAM the OS needs to be changed to a 64-bit OS. R D On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Of good note is that increasing RAM increases speed of processing but only up to a certain limit, thats why certain processor specs will only take certain RAM of certain speed and capacity. This calculation is already done for you by the computer manufacturer.
./Ok3ch
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 1:31 AM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
+1 @Agosta
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 1:19 AM, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
Mac example helps.
Alot of RAM (fast RAM) reduces the need for Paging ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paging)
Paging is slow because disks are fragmented, have moving parts etc etc etc (you dont want speed to depend on disk RPM)
SSDs have no mechanical parts so faster and use less battery ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive)
In databases its worse ... if you have enough memory, you can pin the whole database on RAM, if not, there will be delays as you wait for data pages to to picked from the disks.
Fast drives(SSD) help, Fast RAM helps - in a perfect world, you get fast drives, ram and cpu
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 11:15 PM, Gichingiri Kuria <gmail@gichingiri.com>wrote:
I'm not sure if / how this fits in the arguement: I have a similar macbook and changing the harddisk to an SSD has major speed increase in booting, opening apps and general use if the comp. I haven't increased the ram yet, but so far its like a new machine.
On 3 May 2013 21:20, Job Muriuki <muriukin@gmail.com> wrote:
I think what he/she was trying to say is there is a point after which adding more RAM doesn't add value. Once you reach a balance between the CPU and RAM then adding more RAM will not make the PC run any faster even with shorter access times since the CPU can only take up so much.
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Paul Roy <roykoikai@gmail.com> wrote:
Ashamed to respond to this, but can you simply look at the processor idle time...there lies the answer.
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
> You actually argued? You have lotsa patience. He probably doesnt > appreciate how the pc does what it does. More ram is in my opinion better > than a faster processor when trying to increase processing capacity. > > > On Friday, 3 May 2013, george wrote: > >> Really? Does he also think tupac is alive? >> On May 3, 2013 7:40 PM, "Odhiambo Washington" <odhiambo@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Ask him a simple question: How does a computer use RAM? If he >>> answers that, then perhaps you'll be excused if you asked him the >>> significance of having more RAM. Also, might he be knowing the need for a >>> swapfile/paging file/virtual memory? Nkt >>> >>> RAM is a temporary computing space. With multitasking, and larger >>> RAM, several processes get to run and be completed as opposed to having to >>> wait for "limited temporary computing space (low RAM)" to be available so >>> that other processes can run. >>> >>> How does he define "speed" in computing terms? >>> >>> If he says more RAM does not help a computer, he should better go >>> back to Abacus. I think it never required RAM:) >>> >>> He should be stripped of the "techie" tag! I concur. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3 May 2013 19:08, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> So I am having this argument of a lifetime with a respected, >>>> local techie journalist: >>>> >>>> *His argument:* >>>> That increasing the RAM of a computer does not necessarily >>>> increase its speed or responsiveness. >>>> >>>> *If you add more RAM, the processor speed wont change in any >>>> way, you will only have huge jobs stored on the RAM (Because of its large >>>> capacity) but the processing time will be the same, hence the computer wont >>>> be fast enough as you would expect.* >>>> >>>> *My argument* >>>> That he is nuts and should be stripped of the respected techie >>>> journalist tag. I hold that more RAM will definitely result into some speed >>>> improvement. >>>> >>>> *The source of the argument:* >>>> An Apple MacBook (13-inch, Late 2007)<http://support.apple.com/kb/sp12>, >>>> with a 2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo<http://ark.intel.com/products/30781>, >>>> and currently with 1GB DDR 2 PC2-5300 RAM. The laptop is running Mac OS X >>>> 10.5. >>>> >>>> Now, he says that upgrading this machine to 4GB is a waste of >>>> money, since there will be no change in the speed of the laptop, because, >>>> that processor can only handle 1GB, the factory installed RAM. >>>> >>>> Can a more learned skunk explain the folly of my/his argument. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >>> Nairobi,KE >>> +254733744121/+254722743223 >>> "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> > > -- > Regards, > > Mark Mwangi > > markmwangi.me.ke > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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I would like to state that I own no Macbook. Some OS do have address extensions, known as PAE, that enable 32 bit kernels to handle 4 GB of RAM. Somehow related, Google does offer 1 Gbps of fiber, where your download speeds are usually limited by the write speed of your HDD.
@Peter, I wish your friend was right, but he is not. Just ask him why modern computers come with beefier RAM amounts while there is a "physical ceiling" imposed by an older Mac book pro, O.k? It would make more economic sense to have a Gb of memory since it keeps machines cheaper if we were to think like him, isn't it? As @Dennis mentioned, you need to have a processor with more than 32 bits to physically be able to access memories of higher than 3Gb on a computer hence the shift to 64 bit computing to modern machines and faster servers. Martin. On May 4, 2013 11:18 AM, "Dennis Kioko" <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
I would like to state that I own no Macbook.
Some OS do have address extensions, known as PAE, that enable 32 bit kernels to handle 4 GB of RAM.
Somehow related, Google does offer 1 Gbps of fiber, where your download speeds are usually limited by the write speed of your HDD.
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http://duartes.org/gustavo/blog/category/software-illustrated On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
@Peter, I wish your friend was right, but he is not. Just ask him why modern computers come with beefier RAM amounts while there is a "physical ceiling" imposed by an older Mac book pro, O.k? It would make more economic sense to have a Gb of memory since it keeps machines cheaper if we were to think like him, isn't it?
As @Dennis mentioned, you need to have a processor with more than 32 bits to physically be able to access memories of higher than 3Gb on a computer hence the shift to 64 bit computing to modern machines and faster servers.
Martin.
On May 4, 2013 11:18 AM, "Dennis Kioko" <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
I would like to state that I own no Macbook.
Some OS do have address extensions, known as PAE, that enable 32 bit kernels to handle 4 GB of RAM.
Somehow related, Google does offer 1 Gbps of fiber, where your download speeds are usually limited by the write speed of your HDD.
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Thank you all for your insights, much appreciated. It seems what we might consider common knowledge is not so common, even among our peers. On Saturday, May 4, 2013, Laban Mwangi wrote:
http://duartes.org/gustavo/blog/category/software-illustrated
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com<javascript:;>> wrote:
@Peter, I wish your friend was right, but he is not. Just ask him why modern computers come with beefier RAM amounts while there is a "physical ceiling" imposed by an older Mac book pro, O.k? It would make more economic sense to have a Gb of memory since it keeps machines cheaper if we were to think like him, isn't it?
As @Dennis mentioned, you need to have a processor with more than 32 bits to physically be able to access memories of higher than 3Gb on a computer hence the shift to 64 bit computing to modern machines and faster servers.
Martin.
On May 4, 2013 11:18 AM, "Dennis Kioko" <dmbuvi@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
I would like to state that I own no Macbook.
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Somehow related, Google does offer 1 Gbps of fiber, where your download speeds are usually limited by the write speed of your HDD.
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On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
You actually argued? You have lotsa patience. He probably doesnt appreciate how the pc does what it does.
@Mark,
More ram is in my opinion better than a faster processor when trying to increase processing capacity.
You should be whipped in public using a ten foot fibre optic cable for making the statement above. Since when did main memory storage become interchangeable with a computer CPU clock cycles? You and the (un)respect-able "tech" journalists have no practical differences, you should be seriously ashamed of yourselves. Please hand over your Geek and Skunk cards ..... ;-)
See the Von Neumann architecture to understand the fallacy of your deeply flawed reasoning http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann_architecture Martin.
On Friday, 3 May 2013, george wrote:
Really? Does he also think tupac is alive? On May 3, 2013 7:40 PM, "Odhiambo Washington" <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Ask him a simple question: How does a computer use RAM? If he answers that, then perhaps you'll be excused if you asked him the significance of having more RAM. Also, might he be knowing the need for a swapfile/paging file/virtual memory? Nkt
RAM is a temporary computing space. With multitasking, and larger RAM, several processes get to run and be completed as opposed to having to wait for "limited temporary computing space (low RAM)" to be available so that other processes can run.
How does he define "speed" in computing terms?
If he says more RAM does not help a computer, he should better go back to Abacus. I think it never required RAM:)
He should be stripped of the "techie" tag! I concur.
On 3 May 2013 19:08, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
So I am having this argument of a lifetime with a respected, local techie journalist:
*His argument:* That increasing the RAM of a computer does not necessarily increase its speed or responsiveness.
*If you add more RAM, the processor speed wont change in any way, you will only have huge jobs stored on the RAM (Because of its large capacity) but the processing time will be the same, hence the computer wont be fast enough as you would expect.*
*My argument* That he is nuts and should be stripped of the respected techie journalist tag. I hold that more RAM will definitely result into some speed improvement.
*The source of the argument:* An Apple MacBook (13-inch, Late 2007)<http://support.apple.com/kb/sp12>, with a 2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo <http://ark.intel.com/products/30781>, and currently with 1GB DDR 2 PC2-5300 RAM. The laptop is running Mac OS X 10.5.
Now, he says that upgrading this machine to 4GB is a waste of money, since there will be no change in the speed of the laptop, because, that processor can only handle 1GB, the factory installed RAM.
Can a more learned skunk explain the folly of my/his argument.
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Anyway, Mark would have been right if he was talking about using the graphics processor to do computations instead of rendering items to the display fast and writing programs that *explicitly* take advantage of the facility like in CUDA. I am not too convinced that this is what he was referring to when he said " ..... more RAM ..... increase processing capacity ...." Martin. On May 4, 2013 4:20 PM, "Martin Chiteri" <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
You actually argued? You have lotsa patience. He probably doesnt appreciate how the pc does what it does.
@Mark,
More ram is in my opinion better than a faster processor when trying to increase processing capacity.
You should be whipped in public using a ten foot fibre optic cable for making the statement above. Since when did main memory storage become interchangeable with a computer CPU clock cycles? You and the (un)respect-able "tech" journalists have no practical differences, you should be seriously ashamed of yourselves. Please hand over your Geek and Skunk cards ..... ;-)
See the Von Neumann architecture to understand the fallacy of your deeply flawed reasoning http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann_architecture
Martin.
On Friday, 3 May 2013, george wrote:
Really? Does he also think tupac is alive? On May 3, 2013 7:40 PM, "Odhiambo Washington" <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Ask him a simple question: How does a computer use RAM? If he answers that, then perhaps you'll be excused if you asked him the significance of having more RAM. Also, might he be knowing the need for a swapfile/paging file/virtual memory? Nkt
RAM is a temporary computing space. With multitasking, and larger RAM, several processes get to run and be completed as opposed to having to wait for "limited temporary computing space (low RAM)" to be available so that other processes can run.
How does he define "speed" in computing terms?
If he says more RAM does not help a computer, he should better go back to Abacus. I think it never required RAM:)
He should be stripped of the "techie" tag! I concur.
On 3 May 2013 19:08, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
So I am having this argument of a lifetime with a respected, local techie journalist:
*His argument:* That increasing the RAM of a computer does not necessarily increase its speed or responsiveness.
*If you add more RAM, the processor speed wont change in any way, you will only have huge jobs stored on the RAM (Because of its large capacity) but the processing time will be the same, hence the computer wont be fast enough as you would expect.*
*My argument* That he is nuts and should be stripped of the respected techie journalist tag. I hold that more RAM will definitely result into some speed improvement.
*The source of the argument:* An Apple MacBook (13-inch, Late 2007)<http://support.apple.com/kb/sp12>, with a 2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo <http://ark.intel.com/products/30781>, and currently with 1GB DDR 2 PC2-5300 RAM. The laptop is running Mac OS X 10.5.
Now, he says that upgrading this machine to 4GB is a waste of money, since there will be no change in the speed of the laptop, because, that processor can only handle 1GB, the factory installed RAM.
Can a more learned skunk explain the folly of my/his argument.
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Practical help - I had a similar model Macbook 15-inch - 2005/2006 - went from 1gb RAM to 3gb and the computer is a whole new beast. With newer OSes and multiple applications, you do need at least 2 gb these days - when that computer shipped in 2007 it ran fine, but newer OS versions and newer applications are more RAM hungry (you can always check in Activity Monitor what RAM is doing). Reinstalling OS X also significantly improved performance (before the RAM upgrade) R ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Karunyu" <pkarunyu@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Friday, May 3, 2013 7:08:46 PM Subject: [Skunkworks] Of processors, RAM, and 64bit vs 32bit Operating Systems So I am having this argument of a lifetime with a respected, local techie journalist: His argument: That increasing the RAM of a computer does not necessarily increase its speed or responsiveness. If you add more RAM, the processor speed wont change in any way, you will only have huge jobs stored on the RAM (Because of its large capacity) but the processing time will be the same, hence the computer wont be fast enough as you would expect. My argument That he is nuts and should be stripped of the respected techie journalist tag. I hold that more RAM will definitely result into some speed improvement. The source of the argument: An Apple MacBook (13-inch, Late 2007) , with a 2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo , and currently with 1GB DDR 2 PC2-5300 RAM. The laptop is running Mac OS X 10.5. Now, he says that upgrading this machine to 4GB is a waste of money, since there will be no change in the speed of the laptop, because, that processor can only handle 1GB, the factory installed RAM. Can a more learned skunk explain the folly of my/his argument. _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
@Martin before the faiba flogging can begin allow me to explain myself. Faced with a laptop, which is limited in the mods you can perform on it, which is the best vale for your money/effort? A core i7 processor will always be better than a duo-core for obvious reasons but if you want better computing for your laptop which is better; a core i7 processor with 512mb of ram or a duocore with 8gb of ram? which is likely to get your work done faster? the IO speeds on the harddisk will cause the core i7 machine to crawl while the 8gb RAM equipped machine will chew through the computing comfortably. This is what I meant. Holding all other things constant, increasing RAM will boost perfomance without the need to pump up processing power. A word document is unlikely to need 4 cores to process a word but more ram allows more docuents concurrently opened? What is processing anyway? On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Riyaz Bachani <riyaz.bachani@ke.wananchi.com
wrote:
Practical help - I had a similar model Macbook 15-inch - 2005/2006 - went from 1gb RAM to 3gb and the computer is a whole new beast.
With newer OSes and multiple applications, you do need at least 2 gb these days - when that computer shipped in 2007 it ran fine, but newer OS versions and newer applications are more RAM hungry (you can always check in Activity Monitor what RAM is doing).
Reinstalling OS X also significantly improved performance (before the RAM upgrade)
R
----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Karunyu" <pkarunyu@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Friday, May 3, 2013 7:08:46 PM Subject: [Skunkworks] Of processors, RAM, and 64bit vs 32bit Operating Systems
So I am having this argument of a lifetime with a respected, local techie journalist:
His argument: That increasing the RAM of a computer does not necessarily increase its speed or responsiveness.
If you add more RAM, the processor speed wont change in any way, you will only have huge jobs stored on the RAM (Because of its large capacity) but the processing time will be the same, hence the computer wont be fast enough as you would expect.
My argument That he is nuts and should be stripped of the respected techie journalist tag. I hold that more RAM will definitely result into some speed improvement.
The source of the argument: An Apple MacBook (13-inch, Late 2007) , with a 2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo , and currently with 1GB DDR 2 PC2-5300 RAM. The laptop is running Mac OS X 10.5.
Now, he says that upgrading this machine to 4GB is a waste of money, since there will be no change in the speed of the laptop, because, that processor can only handle 1GB, the factory installed RAM.
Can a more learned skunk explain the folly of my/his argument. _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------
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@Mark, you have a point but of even higher importance is the size of your cache both level 1 and 2 cache. This is because they are physically collocated and the processor does not have to go through the system bus to fetch data and instructions from it. This improves a machine's execution speeds tremendously. Martin. On May 4, 2013 8:40 PM, "Mark Mwangi" <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
@Martin before the faiba flogging can begin allow me to explain myself. Faced with a laptop, which is limited in the mods you can perform on it, which is the best vale for your money/effort?
A core i7 processor will always be better than a duo-core for obvious reasons but if you want better computing for your laptop which is better; a core i7 processor with 512mb of ram or a duocore with 8gb of ram? which is likely to get your work done faster? the IO speeds on the harddisk will cause the core i7 machine to crawl while the 8gb RAM equipped machine will chew through the computing comfortably.
This is what I meant. Holding all other things constant, increasing RAM will boost perfomance without the need to pump up processing power. A word document is unlikely to need 4 cores to process a word but more ram allows more docuents concurrently opened?
What is processing anyway?
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Riyaz Bachani < riyaz.bachani@ke.wananchi.com> wrote:
Practical help - I had a similar model Macbook 15-inch - 2005/2006 - went from 1gb RAM to 3gb and the computer is a whole new beast.
With newer OSes and multiple applications, you do need at least 2 gb these days - when that computer shipped in 2007 it ran fine, but newer OS versions and newer applications are more RAM hungry (you can always check in Activity Monitor what RAM is doing).
Reinstalling OS X also significantly improved performance (before the RAM upgrade)
R
----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Karunyu" <pkarunyu@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Friday, May 3, 2013 7:08:46 PM Subject: [Skunkworks] Of processors, RAM, and 64bit vs 32bit Operating Systems
So I am having this argument of a lifetime with a respected, local techie journalist:
His argument: That increasing the RAM of a computer does not necessarily increase its speed or responsiveness.
If you add more RAM, the processor speed wont change in any way, you will only have huge jobs stored on the RAM (Because of its large capacity) but the processing time will be the same, hence the computer wont be fast enough as you would expect.
My argument That he is nuts and should be stripped of the respected techie journalist tag. I hold that more RAM will definitely result into some speed improvement.
The source of the argument: An Apple MacBook (13-inch, Late 2007) , with a 2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo , and currently with 1GB DDR 2 PC2-5300 RAM. The laptop is running Mac OS X 10.5.
Now, he says that upgrading this machine to 4GB is a waste of money, since there will be no change in the speed of the laptop, because, that processor can only handle 1GB, the factory installed RAM.
Can a more learned skunk explain the folly of my/his argument. _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------
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