Please make my life easy for me to upload a number from a directory on my phone for pay bill option, or is it already available on new sim cards? -- Sent from my Voice Recognition Watch© --------------------------------------------------------------------
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
Please make my life easy for me to upload a number from a directory on my phone for pay bill option, or is it already available on new sim cards?
You mean that you want Queen Bee to have a list of all the partners they have who have activated this service?? I think at some point that can be a very long list, and perhaps the SIM storage might be a limitation. I am not Safaricom though. I am just airing my uninformed opinion. However, I'd love to have to select a number from my contacts when sending money by M-Pesa. Do you we start a "Safaricom Wish List" topic? :-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
I Wish I owned safaricom lol It would be a function where you can save the number on your phone then uploadable when you go to the pay bill menu....I know the one for individuals is available but not sure the pay bill one works On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
Please make my life easy for me to upload a number from a directory on my phone for pay bill option, or is it already available on new sim cards?
You mean that you want Queen Bee to have a list of all the partners they have who have activated this service?? I think at some point that can be a very long list, and perhaps the SIM storage might be a limitation. I am not Safaricom though. I am just airing my uninformed opinion. However, I'd love to have to select a number from my contacts when sending money by M-Pesa.
Do you we start a "Safaricom Wish List" topic? :-)
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On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
I Wish I owned safaricom lol
It would be a function where you can save the number on your phone then uploadable when you go to the pay bill menu....I know the one for individuals is available but not sure the pay bill one works
The one for individuals? Which one? Do I need a new SIM card then? I've got one I've used for eons. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
Yes you need a 2nd generation sim card. On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
I Wish I owned safaricom lol
It would be a function where you can save the number on your phone then uploadable when you go to the pay bill menu....I know the one for individuals is available but not sure the pay bill one works
The one for individuals? Which one? Do I need a new SIM card then? I've got one I've used for eons.
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This is the way it could work, to narrow down the list <free idea,wont ask for jack, I swear :) : This i suppose is easy to pull off: Please select type of company to pay your MPESA bill: 1. Technology 2. Electrical 3. Water 4. Banking 5. Food 6. etc etc You select "4" = Banking. A menu is uploaded from the servers in whatever format - data or sms menu: Please select bank: 1. Equete 2. Barclays 3. Cooperative 4. Stan Chart 5. That Bank with only one branch You select "1" = Equete. Please select what you wanna pay for: 1. Credit card bill 2. That loan you took for your car 4 years ago 3. Salary advance (though why would you wanna pay for this?) Please enter amount: Ksh. XXXXXXX VOILA !!!
@Ndungu That method looks tedious since (millions of) guys would have to update their SIM cards over the air all the time given the dynamic nature of the number of companies receiving payments using Pay Bill that enter and leave their master list. I guess they could have the SIM app running some USSD code in the background to fetch the menu/submenu info from their servers whenever you select the Pay Bill option i.e. in such a way that the USSD reply message is parsed by the SIM app and presented to the user in the usual MPESA format instead of having to reply 1 for this, 2 for that etc. That should be possible since I would imagine the SIM app already parses the received status codes whenever you confirm a transaction with MPESA, as in whenever it says 'sent' the SIM app has basically received a USSD reply confirming the order receipt, right? I may be wrong though, 'tis just my own evaluation since i'm not a mobile guru... On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 13:40, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
This is the way it could work, to narrow down the list <free idea,wont ask for jack, I swear :) :
This i suppose is easy to pull off:
Please select type of company to pay your MPESA bill:
1. Technology 2. Electrical 3. Water 4. Banking 5. Food 6. etc etc
You select "4" = Banking. A menu is uploaded from the servers in whatever format - data or sms menu:
Please select bank:
1. Equete 2. Barclays 3. Cooperative 4. Stan Chart 5. That Bank with only one branch
You select "1" = Equete.
Please select what you wanna pay for:
1. Credit card bill 2. That loan you took for your car 4 years ago 3. Salary advance (though why would you wanna pay for this?)
Please enter amount: Ksh. XXXXXXX
VOILA !!!
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@ Haggai yeah, the queries would probably overload the network, but then again - i dont suppose very many people pay bills via mpesa (except electricity, which is very popular) - or do they ? then again, the utilization of signal frequencies like sms,,, dtmf (when you press a number to select) - could be an added plus, since these are not the regular traffic channels.. which brings again the issue of whether their servers can handle the requests - because as more and more people gain confidence in paying the bills over the air, the usage may increase like a bell curve !
I doubt DTMF would be applicable here since that is only possible on an active voice circuit, and for reasons of scalability I do not see them setting up an IVR-like system for MPESA. If the system is already loaded at times with delays on just USSD requests what of DTMF? My suggestion was basically for ease of management since by maintaining one menu listing linked to a backend db everyone else would fetch it via USSD and load to their systems would be relatively minimal compared to the other available options. It would also scale well since it's more or less text/binary traffic, not voice packets. An improvement on scalability would be having a way to store the previously loaded listing on SIM for faster viewing next time and the SIM app would just have to compare the timestamps to know if it has to load a new list. I wonder if the current SIM generation has a facility for this, probably given its limited memory... On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 14:30, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
@ Haggai
yeah, the queries would probably overload the network, but then again - i dont suppose very many people pay bills via mpesa (except electricity, which is very popular) - or do they ?
then again, the utilization of signal frequencies like sms,,, dtmf (when you press a number to select) - could be an added plus, since these are not the regular traffic channels..
which brings again the issue of whether their servers can handle the requests - because as more and more people gain confidence in paying the bills over the air, the usage may increase like a bell curve !
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@Haggai, USSD could be a good solution. It would cater greatly for scalability, not just as an alternative to SIM cards replacement but also in terms of incorporating additional services on the same platform. All that will be required is tweaking of the sub-menu. On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Haggai Nyang <haggai.nyang@gmail.com>wrote:
I doubt DTMF would be applicable here since that is only possible on an active voice circuit, and for reasons of scalability I do not see them setting up an IVR-like system for MPESA. If the system is already loaded at times with delays on just USSD requests what of DTMF?
My suggestion was basically for ease of management since by maintaining one menu listing linked to a backend db everyone else would fetch it via USSD and load to their systems would be relatively minimal compared to the other available options. It would also scale well since it's more or less text/binary traffic, not voice packets.
An improvement on scalability would be having a way to store the previously loaded listing on SIM for faster viewing next time and the SIM app would just have to compare the timestamps to know if it has to load a new list. I wonder if the current SIM generation has a facility for this, probably given its limited memory...
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 14:30, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
@ Haggai
yeah, the queries would probably overload the network, but then again - i dont suppose very many people pay bills via mpesa (except electricity, which is very popular) - or do they ?
then again, the utilization of signal frequencies like sms,,, dtmf (when you press a number to select) - could be an added plus, since these are not the regular traffic channels..
which brings again the issue of whether their servers can handle the requests - because as more and more people gain confidence in paying the bills over the air, the usage may increase like a bell curve !
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@ techi I always thought USSD has been the solution all along, that the manipulation of the MPESA menu simply generates USSD codes behind the scenes to carry out your transaction. Could anyone confirm this? On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 08:21, techi <myskunkworks@gmail.com> wrote:
@Haggai,
USSD could be a good solution. It would cater greatly for scalability, not just as an alternative to SIM cards replacement but also in terms of incorporating additional services on the same platform. All that will be required is tweaking of the sub-menu.
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Haggai Nyang <haggai.nyang@gmail.com>wrote:
I doubt DTMF would be applicable here since that is only possible on an active voice circuit, and for reasons of scalability I do not see them setting up an IVR-like system for MPESA. If the system is already loaded at times with delays on just USSD requests what of DTMF?
My suggestion was basically for ease of management since by maintaining one menu listing linked to a backend db everyone else would fetch it via USSD and load to their systems would be relatively minimal compared to the other available options. It would also scale well since it's more or less text/binary traffic, not voice packets.
An improvement on scalability would be having a way to store the previously loaded listing on SIM for faster viewing next time and the SIM app would just have to compare the timestamps to know if it has to load a new list. I wonder if the current SIM generation has a facility for this, probably given its limited memory...
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 14:30, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
@ Haggai
yeah, the queries would probably overload the network, but then again - i dont suppose very many people pay bills via mpesa (except electricity, which is very popular) - or do they ?
then again, the utilization of signal frequencies like sms,,, dtmf (when you press a number to select) - could be an added plus, since these are not the regular traffic channels..
which brings again the issue of whether their servers can handle the requests - because as more and more people gain confidence in paying the bills over the air, the usage may increase like a bell curve !
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Mpesa could be a form of customization of the USSD - in that instead of pre-programmed expected inputs, the program parses any input string and tries to make sense of it or decode it when it reaches the other end...
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