I used to hypothesis that the reason we don't have a vibrant e-commerce infrastructure in Kenya was the lack of payment solutions and lack of "critical mass" of people online..These two problems have been solved yet we still have nothing on the ground. So my question to y'all experts is what is hindering e-commerce in Kenya? John
understanding of end user behavioural traits by the people who have these solutions.... On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 4:30 PM, John Maina <mwasjunior@gmail.com> wrote:
I used to hypothesis that the reason we don't have a vibrant e-commerce infrastructure in Kenya was the lack of payment solutions and lack of "critical mass" of people online..These two problems have been solved yet we still have nothing on the ground. So my question to y'all experts is what is hindering e-commerce in Kenya?
John
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John, I think this is a very interesting discussion. I am from Uganda, so I guess I can only give a Ugandan perspective... I don't believe we have the "critical mass" of people online anywhere in Africa, save for South Africa may be. If you compare the ratio of internet users to the total population, you realise there is a really big problem. Worse still, most of our people use internet "just to check mail". If you talk to Internet cafés in Uganda, the largest number of their customers pay UGX 500 (which is the charge for 20minutes on average). And visit mainly one website: yahoo.com. Of course that is changing with the growth of Facebook. But the whole point is, people greatly relate internet to mail. So even while the payment methods have come, and number of internet users grown, we're still miles away. The other important point I must not leave out is that people do not trust the internet. There are lots of crooks online, so people fear being victims of cyber crime. Over to you! Albert Mucunguzi PC Tech Magazine www.albertmucunguzi.com www.pctechmagazine.com From: John Maina Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 4:30 PM To: Skunkworks forum Subject: [Skunkworks] E-commerce in Kenya I used to hypothesis that the reason we don't have a vibrant e-commerce infrastructure in Kenya was the lack of payment solutions and lack of "critical mass" of people online..These two problems have been solved yet we still have nothing on the ground. So my question to y'all experts is what is hindering e-commerce in Kenya? John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
I guess companies like verisign and other verification companies abroad helped to build confidence around usage of internet to buy goods. However, please note that western markets are mainly trust based hence people can trust ebay and other e commerce sites of similar nature. So can someone start a verification business in kenya? or is there one? Also what are CCK/Central bank regulations around this matter? On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Albert Mucunguzi <ed@pctechmagazine.com>wrote:
John,
I think this is a very interesting discussion. I am from Uganda, so I guess I can only give a Ugandan perspective... I don't believe we have the "critical mass" of people online anywhere in Africa, save for South Africa may be.
If you compare the ratio of internet users to the total population, you realise there is a really big problem. Worse still, most of our people use internet "just to check mail". If you talk to Internet cafés in Uganda, the largest number of their customers pay UGX 500 (which is the charge for 20minutes on average). And visit mainly one website: yahoo.com.
Of course that is changing with the growth of Facebook.
But the whole point is, people greatly relate internet to mail. So even while the payment methods have come, and number of internet users grown, we're still miles away.
The other important point I must not leave out is that people do not trust the internet. There are lots of crooks online, so people fear being victims of cyber crime.
Over to you! Albert Mucunguzi PC Tech Magazine www.albertmucunguzi.com www.pctechmagazine.com
*From:* John Maina <mwasjunior@gmail.com> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 17, 2010 4:30 PM *To:* Skunkworks forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> *Subject:* [Skunkworks] E-commerce in Kenya
I used to hypothesis that the reason we don't have a vibrant e-commerce infrastructure in Kenya was the lack of payment solutions and lack of "critical mass" of people online..These two problems have been solved yet we still have nothing on the ground. So my question to y'all experts is what is hindering e-commerce in Kenya?
John
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Worse still, most of our people use internet "just to check mail". If you talk to Internet cafés in Uganda, the largest number of their customers pay UGX 500 (which is the charge for 20minutes on average). And visit mainly one website: yahoo.com.
What is it about Yahoo.com that makes Ugandans visit frequently? Whatever it is, they find it compelling enough. They weren't born with email, they didn't get a Yahoo ID right after birth... something drew them to Yahoo. Do you know why people don't shop online in Nairobi? Because it isn't compelling enough! So instead of blaming these "backward users", make your service compelling enough (on all fronts) and "they will come". This is a massive biz opportunity for anyone who is willing to make it sufficiently compelling. In the pre-Google days, search was considered a done deal. Yahoo was king, with a few other moons orbiting Yahoo's sun. Then Google came and made search compelling enough and suddenly the scales tipped. This game-plan is everywhere: make your service compelling and you can slay many goliaths. Another example: who would have though that mobile phones (a new technology at that time) would explode in poor/backward/rural Africa, of all places? It did, because people found it compelling enough. The mobile telcos created a new market practically out of thin air. I guess the questions we should be asking is/are: - how do you make e-commerce in Kenya/Uganda compelling enough? - how are the existing services not compelling enough? Saidi (compelled enough to write this email) On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Albert Mucunguzi <ed@pctechmagazine.com>wrote:
John,
I think this is a very interesting discussion. I am from Uganda, so I guess I can only give a Ugandan perspective... I don't believe we have the "critical mass" of people online anywhere in Africa, save for South Africa may be.
If you compare the ratio of internet users to the total population, you realise there is a really big problem. Worse still, most of our people use internet "just to check mail". If you talk to Internet cafés in Uganda, the largest number of their customers pay UGX 500 (which is the charge for 20minutes on average). And visit mainly one website: yahoo.com.
Of course that is changing with the growth of Facebook.
But the whole point is, people greatly relate internet to mail. So even while the payment methods have come, and number of internet users grown, we're still miles away.
The other important point I must not leave out is that people do not trust the internet. There are lots of crooks online, so people fear being victims of cyber crime.
Over to you! Albert Mucunguzi PC Tech Magazine www.albertmucunguzi.com www.pctechmagazine.com
*From:* John Maina <mwasjunior@gmail.com> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 17, 2010 4:30 PM *To:* Skunkworks forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> *Subject:* [Skunkworks] E-commerce in Kenya
I used to hypothesis that the reason we don't have a vibrant e-commerce infrastructure in Kenya was the lack of payment solutions and lack of "critical mass" of people online..These two problems have been solved yet we still have nothing on the ground. So my question to y'all experts is what is hindering e-commerce in Kenya?
John
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Lol! Thanks Saidi! I am with you on that one. Some of the existing services are not compelling enough. But I would like to Collin's points into this: What proportion of the population here, is : a) banked enough to have means of transaction. b) moneyed enough to buy and sell c) online for long enough to engage in buying and selling and finally, specifically online to buy stuff. And may be I add, that what proportion of the online services are compelling enough to capitalize on the already small size of the population that fits the characteristics indicated above. Albert Mucunguzi From: saidimu apale Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:34 PM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] E-commerce in Kenya Worse still, most of our people use internet "just to check mail". If you talk to Internet cafés in Uganda, the largest number of their customers pay UGX 500 (which is the charge for 20minutes on average). And visit mainly one website: yahoo.com. What is it about Yahoo.com that makes Ugandans visit frequently? Whatever it is, they find it compelling enough. They weren't born with email, they didn't get a Yahoo ID right after birth... something drew them to Yahoo. Do you know why people don't shop online in Nairobi? Because it isn't compelling enough! So instead of blaming these "backward users", make your service compelling enough (on all fronts) and "they will come". This is a massive biz opportunity for anyone who is willing to make it sufficiently compelling. In the pre-Google days, search was considered a done deal. Yahoo was king, with a few other moons orbiting Yahoo's sun. Then Google came and made search compelling enough and suddenly the scales tipped. This game-plan is everywhere: make your service compelling and you can slay many goliaths. Another example: who would have though that mobile phones (a new technology at that time) would explode in poor/backward/rural Africa, of all places? It did, because people found it compelling enough. The mobile telcos created a new market practically out of thin air. I guess the questions we should be asking is/are: - how do you make e-commerce in Kenya/Uganda compelling enough? - how are the existing services not compelling enough? Saidi (compelled enough to write this email) On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Albert Mucunguzi <ed@pctechmagazine.com> wrote: John,  I think this is a very interesting discussion. I am from Uganda, so I guess I can only give a Ugandan perspective... I don't believe we have the "critical mass" of people online anywhere in Africa, save for South Africa may be.  If you compare the ratio of internet users to the total population, you realise there is a really big problem. Worse still, most of our people use internet "just to check mail". If you talk to Internet cafés in Uganda, the largest number of their customers pay UGX 500 (which is the charge for 20minutes on average). And visit mainly one website: yahoo.com.  Of course that is changing with the growth of Facebook.  But the whole point is, people greatly relate internet to mail. So even while the payment methods have come, and number of internet users grown, we're still miles away.  The other important point I must not leave out is that people do not trust the internet. There are lots of crooks online, so people fear being victims of cyber crime.  Over to you! Albert Mucunguzi PC Tech Magazine www.albertmucunguzi.com www.pctechmagazine.com  From: John Maina Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 4:30 PM To: Skunkworks forum Subject: [Skunkworks] E-commerce in Kenya I used to hypothesis that the reason we don't have a vibrant e-commerce infrastructure in Kenya was the lack of payment solutions and lack of "critical mass" of people online..These two problems have been solved yet we still have nothing on the ground. So my question to y'all experts is what is hindering e-commerce in Kenya?  John ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
@Saidi...That's a masterpiece...I totally agree. On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 10:34 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
Worse still, most of our people use internet "just to check mail". If you
talk to Internet cafés in Uganda, the largest number of their customers pay UGX 500 (which is the charge for 20minutes on average). And visit mainly one website: yahoo.com.
What is it about Yahoo.com that makes Ugandans visit frequently? Whatever it is, they find it compelling enough. They weren't born with email, they didn't get a Yahoo ID right after birth... something drew them to Yahoo.
Do you know why people don't shop online in Nairobi? Because it isn't compelling enough! So instead of blaming these "backward users", make your service compelling enough (on all fronts) and "they will come". This is a massive biz opportunity for anyone who is willing to make it sufficiently compelling.
In the pre-Google days, search was considered a done deal. Yahoo was king, with a few other moons orbiting Yahoo's sun. Then Google came and made search compelling enough and suddenly the scales tipped. This game-plan is everywhere: make your service compelling and you can slay many goliaths.
Another example: who would have though that mobile phones (a new technology at that time) would explode in poor/backward/rural Africa, of all places? It did, because people found it compelling enough. The mobile telcos created a new market practically out of thin air.
I guess the questions we should be asking is/are:
- how do you make e-commerce in Kenya/Uganda compelling enough? - how are the existing services not compelling enough?
Saidi (compelled enough to write this email)
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Albert Mucunguzi <ed@pctechmagazine.com>wrote:
John,
I think this is a very interesting discussion. I am from Uganda, so I guess I can only give a Ugandan perspective... I don't believe we have the "critical mass" of people online anywhere in Africa, save for South Africa may be.
If you compare the ratio of internet users to the total population, you realise there is a really big problem. Worse still, most of our people use internet "just to check mail". If you talk to Internet cafés in Uganda, the largest number of their customers pay UGX 500 (which is the charge for 20minutes on average). And visit mainly one website: yahoo.com.
Of course that is changing with the growth of Facebook.
But the whole point is, people greatly relate internet to mail. So even while the payment methods have come, and number of internet users grown, we're still miles away.
The other important point I must not leave out is that people do not trust the internet. There are lots of crooks online, so people fear being victims of cyber crime.
Over to you! Albert Mucunguzi PC Tech Magazine www.albertmucunguzi.com www.pctechmagazine.com
*From:* John Maina <mwasjunior@gmail.com> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 17, 2010 4:30 PM *To:* Skunkworks forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> *Subject:* [Skunkworks] E-commerce in Kenya
I used to hypothesis that the reason we don't have a vibrant e-commerce infrastructure in Kenya was the lack of payment solutions and lack of "critical mass" of people online..These two problems have been solved yet we still have nothing on the ground. So my question to y'all experts is what is hindering e-commerce in Kenya?
John
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