
SORRY AKI. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU, "let us try to find Kenyan Graphics done for Prime Time viewership. Over to you. :-)" ________________________________ From: aki <aki275@gmail.com> To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Friday, 25 February 2011, 10:50 Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Money Matters And while we are at the discussion of next generation of kenyan graphics designers, please let us not compare animations written for BBC Kiddies programs , or adverts that use simple software like Maya to produce a liquid effect from a library and let us try to find Kenyan Graphics done for Prime Time viewership. Over to you. :-) _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke

@Humphrey, pls don't apologise, your view is also correct in that we should aim higher or better or be different. However since you very well understand that locally done stuff has a very long long and difficult road ahead, whether code or graphics, we should also appreciate that creation of tools/platforms is what is going to lead us somewhere. That ability places us on par with the rest of the world. Look back at the first release of Adobe photoshop and how basic, buggy it was? If Chacha's app is not going to change the world, at least from an engineering view, it 's a smaller step towards the bigger picture and I think we should acknowledge this. You've done code, so you can appreciate the complexity of even creating a simple app, let alone one that imports pixels into memory for rendering. If he had done something like go buy a bike dynamo from a shop and then weld it to a bike for charging a mobile phone, then I too would want to do some bashing. In my study during game programming, I looked at various 3d rendering programs, but my goal was not to use any of these tools. So I had use photoshop to create a "sprite sheet", load it into my code and from that code write loops to animate. It was good to know this, yet the same knowledge that I learnt like the randomness algorithms is now helping me do things with XML. In a nutshell, Chacha's deserves an acknowledgement for his efforts in the creation of a tool. Now who uses it or not, the market can never guarantee that. Check with any product vendors of which sells faster: netbooks or laptops? Hope to see your contribution on Adobe After Effects. Rgds. :-)

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@Humphrey, pls don't apologise, your view is also correct in that we should aim higher or better or be different. However since you very well understand that locally done stuff has a very long long and difficult road ahead, whether code or graphics, we should also appreciate that creation of tools/platforms is what is going to lead us somewhere. That ability places us on par with the rest of the world. Look back at the first release of Adobe photoshop and how basic, buggy it was?
If Chacha's app is not going to change the world, at least from an engineering view, it 's a smaller step towards the bigger picture and I think we should acknowledge this. You've done code, so you can appreciate the complexity of even creating a simple app, let alone one that imports pixels into memory for rendering. If he had done something like go buy a bike dynamo from a shop and then weld it to a bike for charging a mobile phone, then I too would want to do some bashing.
In my study during game programming, I looked at various 3d rendering programs, but my goal was not to use any of these tools. So I had use photoshop to create a "sprite sheet", load it into my code and from that code write loops to animate. It was good to know this, yet the same knowledge that I learnt like the randomness algorithms is now helping me do things with XML.
In a nutshell, Chacha's deserves an acknowledgement for his efforts in the creation of a tool. Now who uses it or not, the market can never guarantee that. Check with any product vendors of which sells faster: netbooks or laptops?
Hope to see your contribution on Adobe After Effects.
Rgds. :-)
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Ok the software is good and really impressive, But it took him 7 years to make this yet he would have made something else like a new tech for something..........But kudos, he has the patience On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Larry Madowo <larrymads@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:56 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Humphrey, pls don't apologise, your view is also correct in that we should aim higher or better or be different. However since you very well understand that locally done stuff has a very long long and difficult road ahead, whether code or graphics, we should also appreciate that creation of tools/platforms is what is going to lead us somewhere. That ability places us on par with the rest of the world. Look back at the first release of Adobe photoshop and how basic, buggy it was?
If Chacha's app is not going to change the world, at least from an engineering view, it 's a smaller step towards the bigger picture and I think we should acknowledge this. You've done code, so you can appreciate the complexity of even creating a simple app, let alone one that imports pixels into memory for rendering. If he had done something like go buy a bike dynamo from a shop and then weld it to a bike for charging a mobile phone, then I too would want to do some bashing.
In my study during game programming, I looked at various 3d rendering programs, but my goal was not to use any of these tools. So I had use photoshop to create a "sprite sheet", load it into my code and from that code write loops to animate. It was good to know this, yet the same knowledge that I learnt like the randomness algorithms is now helping me do things with XML.
In a nutshell, Chacha's deserves an acknowledgement for his efforts in the creation of a tool. Now who uses it or not, the market can never guarantee that. Check with any product vendors of which sells faster: netbooks or laptops?
Hope to see your contribution on Adobe After Effects.
Rgds. :-)
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What @Humphrey is saying is that Kenyans like doing what others have done and dont wana be original On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok the software is good and really impressive, But it took him 7 years to make this yet he would have made something else like a new tech for something..........But kudos, he has the patience
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Larry Madowo <larrymads@gmail.com> wrote:
Here's the video of John Paul Chacha's debut on Money Matters for those who missed it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2A-p8UebYY
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On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:56 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Humphrey, pls don't apologise, your view is also correct in that we should aim higher or better or be different. However since you very well understand that locally done stuff has a very long long and difficult road ahead, whether code or graphics, we should also appreciate that creation of tools/platforms is what is going to lead us somewhere. That ability places us on par with the rest of the world. Look back at the first release of Adobe photoshop and how basic, buggy it was?
If Chacha's app is not going to change the world, at least from an engineering view, it 's a smaller step towards the bigger picture and I think we should acknowledge this. You've done code, so you can appreciate the complexity of even creating a simple app, let alone one that imports pixels into memory for rendering. If he had done something like go buy a bike dynamo from a shop and then weld it to a bike for charging a mobile phone, then I too would want to do some bashing.
In my study during game programming, I looked at various 3d rendering programs, but my goal was not to use any of these tools. So I had use photoshop to create a "sprite sheet", load it into my code and from that code write loops to animate. It was good to know this, yet the same knowledge that I learnt like the randomness algorithms is now helping me do things with XML.
In a nutshell, Chacha's deserves an acknowledgement for his efforts in the creation of a tool. Now who uses it or not, the market can never guarantee that. Check with any product vendors of which sells faster: netbooks or laptops?
Hope to see your contribution on Adobe After Effects.
Rgds. :-)
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I hope we dont get a Kenyan version of Windows : Kendows 7 On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:
What @Humphrey is saying is that Kenyans like doing what others have done and dont wana be original
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok the software is good and really impressive, But it took him 7 years to make this yet he would have made something else like a new tech for something..........But kudos, he has the patience
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Larry Madowo <larrymads@gmail.com>wrote:
Here's the video of John Paul Chacha's debut on Money Matters for those who missed it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2A-p8UebYY
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On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:56 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Humphrey, pls don't apologise, your view is also correct in that we should aim higher or better or be different. However since you very well understand that locally done stuff has a very long long and difficult road ahead, whether code or graphics, we should also appreciate that creation of tools/platforms is what is going to lead us somewhere. That ability places us on par with the rest of the world. Look back at the first release of Adobe photoshop and how basic, buggy it was?
If Chacha's app is not going to change the world, at least from an engineering view, it 's a smaller step towards the bigger picture and I think we should acknowledge this. You've done code, so you can appreciate the complexity of even creating a simple app, let alone one that imports pixels into memory for rendering. If he had done something like go buy a bike dynamo from a shop and then weld it to a bike for charging a mobile phone, then I too would want to do some bashing.
In my study during game programming, I looked at various 3d rendering programs, but my goal was not to use any of these tools. So I had use photoshop to create a "sprite sheet", load it into my code and from that code write loops to animate. It was good to know this, yet the same knowledge that I learnt like the randomness algorithms is now helping me do things with XML.
In a nutshell, Chacha's deserves an acknowledgement for his efforts in the creation of a tool. Now who uses it or not, the market can never guarantee that. Check with any product vendors of which sells faster: netbooks or laptops?
Hope to see your contribution on Adobe After Effects.
Rgds. :-)
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@Paul, some general and frank comments from me. :-) And in the meatime while the National Clock keeps ticking on ever becoming self generating and independent of dependency chains: - we are too relaxed, maybe a bit too lazy to do anything beyond except buy and sell goods in whatever manner. - we are convinced that the best we should do is put a kenyan in space ( be it more than 250 years after others have already done it) on some special craft that we still don't know exists. - we are masters of deception under the disguise of changing images of free software. - we love making money from free things, it is too hard or difficult to actually make something and try make money from it. - we continue to beg for investments ( read: joint ventures ) and in comparison national prostitution ( I have the assets, you have the money ) - we think we are smart, knowledgeable yet we still have to import Toiletware - we are masters of self denial and certified as shortcut experts under justifications that things have already been done. - we only like to look good on paper, nothing else. Grand certifcations and qualifications. The day the rains stop and the animals reduce, we become even more bigger beggars of aid and handouts pegged to loosers - we clearly have the mental capacity and intelligence to do go beyond the averages but to do anything else is too much to be expected. The list is long. When will we break this cycle? Clearly, it is frustrating being a kenyan. But there is hope, some of us will try and break the cycles at some point. And Chacha has done that, be it 7 years later. It is a smal beginning..... :-) Me thots. On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:
I hope we dont get a Kenyan version of Windows : Kendows 7

I agree, iin short, we are lazy On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 8:49 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Paul, some general and frank comments from me. :-)
And in the meatime while the National Clock keeps ticking on ever becoming self generating and independent of dependency chains:
- we are too relaxed, maybe a bit too lazy to do anything beyond except buy and sell goods in whatever manner. - we are convinced that the best we should do is put a kenyan in space ( be it more than 250 years after others have already done it) on some special craft that we still don't know exists. - we are masters of deception under the disguise of changing images of free software. - we love making money from free things, it is too hard or difficult to actually make something and try make money from it. - we continue to beg for investments ( read: joint ventures ) and in comparison national prostitution ( I have the assets, you have the money ) - we think we are smart, knowledgeable yet we still have to import Toiletware - we are masters of self denial and certified as shortcut experts under justifications that things have already been done. - we only like to look good on paper, nothing else. Grand certifcations and qualifications. The day the rains stop and the animals reduce, we become even more bigger beggars of aid and handouts pegged to loosers - we clearly have the mental capacity and intelligence to do go beyond the averages but to do anything else is too much to be expected.
The list is long. When will we break this cycle? Clearly, it is frustrating being a kenyan. But there is hope, some of us will try and break the cycles at some point. And Chacha has done that, be it 7 years later. It is a smal beginning..... :-)
Me thots.
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:
I hope we dont get a Kenyan version of Windows : Kendows 7
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Why are you guys still dissing adobe? i dont remember the last time it crashed. @aki, sometimes it pays to go against the grain, for example facebook came after myspace and google was the 13th major search engine to be made. But when it comes to Adobe photoshop, a software that has been made by 1000s of developers, it pays to go along the grain and develop plugins instead of making entire applications from scratch. Dont forget that there are componies in world that have made millions of dollars from pluggings. WORK SMART, DON'T WORK HARD. @Chacha, all might not be lost by your 7 years of coding chysis, milk the publicity as much as you can and use your status a recognized coder to get deals, assemble a development team then work as coding project manager. Do not at any point accept to be employed to realize someone else's dream. ITS NOW YOUR TURN, just make sure that the ChaCha brand stands for quality and honesty. (Hio story ya kuseama chysis draw is better than photoshop is a blatant lie that you have been perpetuating since IEEE Exhibition 2006) <parting quote> Once Mrs. Prada and Mr. Louis Vuitton developed their brand, they dint have to go to the factories and make the 1000$ hand bags themselves. </parting quote> jpCHACHA ITS NOW YOUR TURN!!! On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Daniel <butaki@gmail.com> wrote:
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I've been trying to figure out what the deal is with this thread.... Software, hardware etc are very subjective things. e.g. I prefer using Microsoft Office Picture Manager for most of my daily needs (can resize, crop etc). It's light and simply works. For that purpose, it's better than photoshop. Subjective. I prefer it for my daily needs. When however, I want to do posters, anything that is design heavy, photoshop is better. A Range Rover is an overkill in a town road, much as a Toyota Corolla would not be the best car to take for a Rhino Charge... Subjective. Depends on use. So, no one has to prove anything. Further to this, I wonder why people are on the Coder's case.... He did well... Let it be... Whether he chose to sell/give away his product, it's a good product. Most 'coding' projects in Kenya are "Video Library Management system" and "Uso Kitabu"... Really, this is refreshing... Congratulate the man and let him be... -- With Regards, Phares Kariuki | T: +254 734 810 802 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro | Skype: kariukiphares | B: http://www.kaboro.com/ |
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