Sometimes, it is not just about the speeds, but the capacity of the end-to-end network and the kind of cash flow you are seeing. 42Mbps to the mast or to Rapidshare? How many users? How much are they paying? What about voice and leased lines? Can our transmission and core keep up? Sustainability is the million-dollar question. Kind regards, Bernard On Mar 1, 2012 8:16 PM, "Dennis Kioko" <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Then how come Safaricom have some BTS on 21 Mbps while the rest are on 7?
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@ Dennis 7 mbps to the BTS you are lucky.. Some networks have 3 mbps to the BSC -- wacha hata BTS.. [?][?]
All things being constant, the contention ratio[1] is the biggest factor that determines whether you are "lucky" or not. Transmission bandwidth and radio resources are other factors.However, resiliency and reliability (on whether you get the service or not) come a close second. Ability of a network to offer redundancy (BGP, MPLS,et cetra), sudden spikes, bursty traffic, power outages, et cetra under those unforeseen acts of God (devil?) is a strong third. Newer networks (in KE, strike off Yu) might seem to offer better throughput (new technologies is still a bluff) primarily due to [1] above. ./bernard On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 5:53 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
@ Dennis
7 mbps to the BTS you are lucky..
Some networks have 3 mbps to the BSC -- wacha hata BTS..
[?][?]
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The main thing in this whole discussion is the multiple access technology used, key word *ACCESS..*that means the air interface. But heck, instead of all this uninformed speculation, just log on to these vendor websites, for example Ericsson learning, or 3GPP, this info is all over with all the standards, the system specs, expected speeds, theoretical and implemented.
From there you can sort the wheat from the chaff with regards to these mobile operators trumpeting their data products here, who is selling what. In short am saying spare a little time and read, the information is all out there.....
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
All things being constant, the contention ratio[1] is the biggest factor that determines whether you are "lucky" or not. Transmission bandwidth and radio resources are other factors.However, resiliency and reliability (on whether you get the service or not) come a close second. Ability of a network to offer redundancy (BGP, MPLS,et cetra), sudden spikes, bursty traffic, power outages, et cetra under those unforeseen acts of God (devil?) is a strong third.
Newer networks (in KE, strike off Yu) might seem to offer better throughput (new technologies is still a bluff) primarily due to [1] above.
./bernard
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 5:53 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
@ Dennis
7 mbps to the BTS you are lucky..
Some networks have 3 mbps to the BSC -- wacha hata BTS..
[?][?]
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@JOHN DOE "Actually, Safcom, Orange and Airtel can all do 42 Mbps if they so wished. But would users afford the modem?:-)" Very wrong statement.Or make me understand this statement well On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Kinuthia Ngugi <kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com>wrote:
The main thing in this whole discussion is the multiple access technology used, key word *ACCESS..*that means the air interface. But heck, instead of all this uninformed speculation, just log on to these vendor websites, for example Ericsson learning, or 3GPP, this info is all over with all the standards, the system specs, expected speeds, theoretical and implemented. From there you can sort the wheat from the chaff with regards to these mobile operators trumpeting their data products here, who is selling what. In short am saying spare a little time and read, the information is all out there.....
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote:
All things being constant, the contention ratio[1] is the biggest factor that determines whether you are "lucky" or not. Transmission bandwidth and radio resources are other factors.However, resiliency and reliability (on whether you get the service or not) come a close second. Ability of a network to offer redundancy (BGP, MPLS,et cetra), sudden spikes, bursty traffic, power outages, et cetra under those unforeseen acts of God (devil?) is a strong third.
Newer networks (in KE, strike off Yu) might seem to offer better throughput (new technologies is still a bluff) primarily due to [1] above.
./bernard
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 5:53 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
@ Dennis
7 mbps to the BTS you are lucky..
Some networks have 3 mbps to the BSC -- wacha hata BTS..
[?][?]
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Hey John Doe we have to take note that this speeds are also dependent on all the nodes in the UMTS network all pegged to the 3GPP Rx versions +QOS and also the HSxxxx.Factor in QAM and MIMO. On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Memusi <tonatech@gmail.com> wrote:
@JOHN DOE "Actually, Safcom, Orange and Airtel can all do 42 Mbps if they so wished. But would users afford the modem?:-)"
Very wrong statement.Or make me understand this statement well
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Kinuthia Ngugi <kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com>wrote:
The main thing in this whole discussion is the multiple access technology used, key word *ACCESS..*that means the air interface. But heck, instead of all this uninformed speculation, just log on to these vendor websites, for example Ericsson learning, or 3GPP, this info is all over with all the standards, the system specs, expected speeds, theoretical and implemented. From there you can sort the wheat from the chaff with regards to these mobile operators trumpeting their data products here, who is selling what. In short am saying spare a little time and read, the information is all out there.....
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote:
All things being constant, the contention ratio[1] is the biggest factor that determines whether you are "lucky" or not. Transmission bandwidth and radio resources are other factors.However, resiliency and reliability (on whether you get the service or not) come a close second. Ability of a network to offer redundancy (BGP, MPLS,et cetra), sudden spikes, bursty traffic, power outages, et cetra under those unforeseen acts of God (devil?) is a strong third.
Newer networks (in KE, strike off Yu) might seem to offer better throughput (new technologies is still a bluff) primarily due to [1] above.
./bernard
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 5:53 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
@ Dennis
7 mbps to the BTS you are lucky..
Some networks have 3 mbps to the BSC -- wacha hata BTS..
[?][?]
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@Memusi, what is wrong with my statement? On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Memusi <tonatech@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey John Doe we have to take note that this speeds are also dependent on all the nodes in the UMTS network all pegged to the 3GPP Rx versions +QOS and also the HSxxxx.Factor in QAM and MIMO.
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Memusi <tonatech@gmail.com> wrote:
@JOHN DOE "Actually, Safcom, Orange and Airtel can all do 42 Mbps if they so wished. But would users afford the modem?:-)"
Very wrong statement.Or make me understand this statement well
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Kinuthia Ngugi <kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com
wrote:
The main thing in this whole discussion is the multiple access technology used, key word *ACCESS..*that means the air interface. But heck, instead of all this uninformed speculation, just log on to these vendor websites, for example Ericsson learning, or 3GPP, this info is all over with all the standards, the system specs, expected speeds, theoretical and implemented. From there you can sort the wheat from the chaff with regards to these mobile operators trumpeting their data products here, who is selling what. In short am saying spare a little time and read, the information is all out there.....
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote:
All things being constant, the contention ratio[1] is the biggest factor that determines whether you are "lucky" or not. Transmission bandwidth and radio resources are other factors.However, resiliency and reliability (on whether you get the service or not) come a close second. Ability of a network to offer redundancy (BGP, MPLS,et cetra), sudden spikes, bursty traffic, power outages, et cetra under those unforeseen acts of God (devil?) is a strong third.
Newer networks (in KE, strike off Yu) might seem to offer better throughput (new technologies is still a bluff) primarily due to [1] above.
./bernard
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 5:53 PM, ndungu stephen < ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Dennis
7 mbps to the BTS you are lucky..
Some networks have 3 mbps to the BSC -- wacha hata BTS..
[?][?]
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"Actually, Safcom, Orange and Airtel can all do 42 Mbps if they so wished. .Did you mean even now if they want to test 42Mbps you just need to afford a modem On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:21 PM, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote:
@Memusi, what is wrong with my statement?
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Memusi <tonatech@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey John Doe we have to take note that this speeds are also dependent on all the nodes in the UMTS network all pegged to the 3GPP Rx versions +QOS and also the HSxxxx.Factor in QAM and MIMO.
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Memusi <tonatech@gmail.com> wrote:
@JOHN DOE "Actually, Safcom, Orange and Airtel can all do 42 Mbps if they so wished. But would users afford the modem?:-)"
Very wrong statement.Or make me understand this statement well
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Kinuthia Ngugi < kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com> wrote:
The main thing in this whole discussion is the multiple access technology used, key word *ACCESS..*that means the air interface. But heck, instead of all this uninformed speculation, just log on to these vendor websites, for example Ericsson learning, or 3GPP, this info is all over with all the standards, the system specs, expected speeds, theoretical and implemented. From there you can sort the wheat from the chaff with regards to these mobile operators trumpeting their data products here, who is selling what. In short am saying spare a little time and read, the information is all out there.....
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote:
All things being constant, the contention ratio[1] is the biggest factor that determines whether you are "lucky" or not. Transmission bandwidth and radio resources are other factors.However, resiliency and reliability (on whether you get the service or not) come a close second. Ability of a network to offer redundancy (BGP, MPLS,et cetra), sudden spikes, bursty traffic, power outages, et cetra under those unforeseen acts of God (devil?) is a strong third.
Newer networks (in KE, strike off Yu) might seem to offer better throughput (new technologies is still a bluff) primarily due to [1] above.
./bernard
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 5:53 PM, ndungu stephen < ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Dennis
7 mbps to the BTS you are lucky..
Some networks have 3 mbps to the BSC -- wacha hata BTS..
[?][?]
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Is that what I said? :-) Are you saying the can't? :-) On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Memusi <tonatech@gmail.com> wrote:
"Actually, Safcom, Orange and Airtel can all do 42 Mbps if they so wished. .Did you mean even now if they want to test 42Mbps you just need to afford a modem
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:21 PM, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote:
@Memusi, what is wrong with my statement?
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Memusi <tonatech@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey John Doe we have to take note that this speeds are also dependent on all the nodes in the UMTS network all pegged to the 3GPP Rx versions +QOS and also the HSxxxx.Factor in QAM and MIMO.
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Memusi <tonatech@gmail.com> wrote:
@JOHN DOE "Actually, Safcom, Orange and Airtel can all do 42 Mbps if they so wished. But would users afford the modem?:-)"
Very wrong statement.Or make me understand this statement well
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Kinuthia Ngugi < kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com> wrote:
The main thing in this whole discussion is the multiple access technology used, key word *ACCESS..*that means the air interface. But heck, instead of all this uninformed speculation, just log on to these vendor websites, for example Ericsson learning, or 3GPP, this info is all over with all the standards, the system specs, expected speeds, theoretical and implemented. From there you can sort the wheat from the chaff with regards to these mobile operators trumpeting their data products here, who is selling what. In short am saying spare a little time and read, the information is all out there.....
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote:
All things being constant, the contention ratio[1] is the biggest factor that determines whether you are "lucky" or not. Transmission bandwidth and radio resources are other factors.However, resiliency and reliability (on whether you get the service or not) come a close second. Ability of a network to offer redundancy (BGP, MPLS,et cetra), sudden spikes, bursty traffic, power outages, et cetra under those unforeseen acts of God (devil?) is a strong third.
Newer networks (in KE, strike off Yu) might seem to offer better throughput (new technologies is still a bluff) primarily due to [1] above.
./bernard
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 5:53 PM, ndungu stephen < ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
> @ Dennis > > 7 mbps to the BTS you are lucky.. > > Some networks have 3 mbps to the BSC -- wacha hata BTS.. > > [?][?] > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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If they could support 42 Mbps, trust me they would be singing about it. Marketing wouldn't let such an opportunity pass
They cant,They will have to enusre that they support 3GPP R7 end to end,Expand the Iub bandwidth, etc. On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
If they could support 42 Mbps, trust me they would be singing about it. Marketing wouldn't let such an opportunity pass
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And I quote "@ aki, all those HSXXX technologies are some mutation of 3G. The air interface remains the same, you do not change the node b, or the spectrum or the multiplexing technique. I'm not really a radio guy so I unfortunately don't know the details on how they achieve this, but I know if Safcom or Airtel or Orange wished to do 42 Mbps today, they could certainly achieve it with some parameter and license changes on the existing 3G networks." Sounds like we arein agreement...... My question remains, is any of those three networks unable to do this??? On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Memusi <tonatech@gmail.com> wrote:
They cant,They will have to enusre that they support 3GPP R7 end to end,Expand the Iub bandwidth, etc.
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
If they could support 42 Mbps, trust me they would be singing about it. Marketing wouldn't let such an opportunity pass
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