Access point to cover atleast 1.5 KM with good strength
Fellow Techies, Am in a project that involves setting up of several hotspots in Nairobi. I have setup Mikrotik routers (server based) to handle the backend. I urgently need access points that can cover btn 1.5 to 2Km radius. Please do not recommend: Mikrotik Access points, Nano station nor Strix. I will really appreciate your effort.
hi, The coverage will depend on the terain arrangement of the areas you intend to cover But would recommend XR2 on Mikrotk 15-20dbi. 1.5km is a bit on the higher side if its to be indoor usage. On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 1:48 AM, mambo mutua <am.mambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Fellow Techies,
Am in a project that involves setting up of several hotspots in Nairobi. I have setup Mikrotik routers (server based) to handle the backend. I urgently need access points that can cover btn 1.5 to 2Km radius.
Please do not recommend: Mikrotik Access points, Nano station nor Strix.
I will really appreciate your effort.
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If you want to cover more than the 2km you need to use outdoor gear on the client side too as in built wireless cards foot have high gain antennas thus will connect to an access point 100-300m away but depends on the path loss and obstacles in between. On 26/04/2010, dauglas kidake <dauglas@edgenet.co.ke> wrote:
hi, The coverage will depend on the terain arrangement of the areas you intend to cover But would recommend XR2 on Mikrotk 15-20dbi. 1.5km is a bit on the higher side if its to be indoor usage.
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 1:48 AM, mambo mutua <am.mambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Fellow Techies,
Am in a project that involves setting up of several hotspots in Nairobi. I have setup Mikrotik routers (server based) to handle the backend. I urgently need access points that can cover btn 1.5 to 2Km radius.
Please do not recommend: Mikrotik Access points, Nano station nor Strix.
I will really appreciate your effort.
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If you want to cover more than the 2km you need to use outdoor gear on the client side too as in built wireless cards foot have high gain antennas thus will connect to an access point 100-300m away but depends on the path loss and obstacles in between. On 26/04/2010, dauglas kidake <dauglas@edgenet.co.ke> wrote:
hi, The coverage will depend on the terain arrangement of the areas you intend to cover But would recommend XR2 on Mikrotk 15-20dbi. 1.5km is a bit on the higher side if its to be indoor usage.
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 1:48 AM, mambo mutua <am.mambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Fellow Techies,
Am in a project that involves setting up of several hotspots in Nairobi. I have setup Mikrotik routers (server based) to handle the backend. I urgently need access points that can cover btn 1.5 to 2Km radius.
Please do not recommend: Mikrotik Access points, Nano station nor Strix.
I will really appreciate your effort.
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@Mambo, its difficult to suggest any help but I'll list these as a guideline : a) What frequency and have you got a license for each radio AP approved by freq allocation at CCK? c) If you have a license, then you may as well import the unit directly from many vendors and get type approvals done. d) If you are intending to do this on ISM band, considering the power levels, you still need to deal with CCK on this because such power levels on the band are illegal and will cause jamming of other ISM band APs, especially in urban areas. e) Assuming that its on ISM, you are exposing your network to easy hacks. f) Lower ISM band is not stable on such ranges, expect a huge drop in throughputs. Try and partner with ISPs or Network operators who have the infrastructure and licensing in place. Why try to create your own network when there are many official options in the market place? HTHs. On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 11:48 AM, mambo mutua <am.mambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Fellow Techies,
Am in a project that involves setting up of several hotspots in Nairobi. I have setup Mikrotik routers (server based) to handle the backend. I urgently need access points that can cover btn 1.5 to 2Km radius.
Please do not recommend: Mikrotik Access points, Nano station nor Strix.
I will really appreciate your effort.
Go for a Dlink 2700AP and Dlink directional attena with it worked for me at laikipia ..i cant recall model of the antenna but it gave me a shock almost 24Dbi i was able to cover 1.5 km with latecy of 4ms to 6ms On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:56 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
@Mambo, its difficult to suggest any help but I'll list these as a guideline :
a) What frequency and have you got a license for each radio AP approved by freq allocation at CCK? c) If you have a license, then you may as well import the unit directly from many vendors and get type approvals done. d) If you are intending to do this on ISM band, considering the power levels, you still need to deal with CCK on this because such power levels on the band are illegal and will cause jamming of other ISM band APs, especially in urban areas. e) Assuming that its on ISM, you are exposing your network to easy hacks. f) Lower ISM band is not stable on such ranges, expect a huge drop in throughputs.
Try and partner with ISPs or Network operators who have the infrastructure and licensing in place. Why try to create your own network when there are many official options in the market place?
HTHs.
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 11:48 AM, mambo mutua <am.mambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Fellow Techies,
Am in a project that involves setting up of several hotspots in Nairobi. I have setup Mikrotik routers (server based) to handle the backend. I urgently need access points that can cover btn 1.5 to 2Km radius.
Please do not recommend: Mikrotik Access points, Nano station nor Strix.
I will really appreciate your effort.
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How affected was the latency when it rains or when moving multiple data sockets/sessions? On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Eric Mwania <emwania@gmail.com> wrote:
i was able to cover 1.5 km with latecy of 4ms to 6ms
WiFi signals is not affected by rain but mostly by microwave toys remote controls or surface that reflect the signal otherwise poorest latency i got was 9ms when the antenna was moved by strong wind a place like town where there is more than 5000 APs running on om same channels and frequency i expect you get interference otherwise i noted most people use the default channel 6 so u can use a different one for better performance my point is u can do 1.5 km with Wifi u don't need Wimax On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:10 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
How affected was the latency when it rains or when moving multiple data sockets/sessions?
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Eric Mwania <emwania@gmail.com> wrote:
i was able to cover 1.5 km with latecy of 4ms to 6ms
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Eric, one key factor to consider is attenuation. And rain fade is part of this. If you are right that there are 5000 Access Points in CBD ( assuming they are all indoor units and are compliant with indoor power levels thus do not have the capacity to affect others ) thats different. ODU APs cannot be legal without specific channel allocation or range restrictions by CCK . If CCK is not following laid down guidelines so as to protect any abuse in the market. Then why should Network Operators/ISPs be subject to licensing and pay heavy fees for frequencies or equipment while anyone can deploy an ODU? Clearly, has CCK failed but am I'm sure there is procedure on this. What a mess our regulator is going to leave us in? At one time DOD was on ISM so no one could use it, now anyone can deploy high power ODUs without any compliance? In short if you are a network planner or designer, you want to go with long term solutions. I'd still partner with any ISP/Network operator if I was doing a commercial project because domestic solutions will come back to bite. That's the best advice I can offer. :-) On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Eric Mwania <emwania@gmail.com> wrote:
WiFi signals is not affected by rain but mostly by microwave toys remote controls or surface that reflect the signal
otherwise poorest latency i got was 9ms when the antenna was moved by strong wind
a place like town where there is more than 5000 APs running on om same channels and frequency i expect you get interference otherwise i noted most people use the default channel 6 so u can use a different one for better performance
my point is u can do 1.5 km with Wifi u don't need Wimax
@AKI i think you just complicating things for Mutua He is simply requesting we recommend an AP that can Cover 1.5 km ? I THINK we are confusing Mutua here he has already spend on MikroTik which is almost 100k and something for managing his hotspot so another option is simply wasting resources he has already spend ON our CCK does not care about frequency 2.4GHz Do you have a recommendation for an AP + Antenna that can help him cover that distance ? On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:03 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Eric, one key factor to consider is attenuation. And rain fade is part of this.
If you are right that there are 5000 Access Points in CBD ( assuming they are all indoor units and are compliant with indoor power levels thus do not have the capacity to affect others ) thats different. ODU APs cannot be legal without specific channel allocation or range restrictions by CCK . If CCK is not following laid down guidelines so as to protect any abuse in the market. Then why should Network Operators/ISPs be subject to licensing and pay heavy fees for frequencies or equipment while anyone can deploy an ODU? Clearly, has CCK failed but am I'm sure there is procedure on this. What a mess our regulator is going to leave us in? At one time DOD was on ISM so no one could use it, now anyone can deploy high power ODUs without any compliance?
In short if you are a network planner or designer, you want to go with long term solutions. I'd still partner with any ISP/Network operator if I was doing a commercial project because domestic solutions will come back to bite. That's the best advice I can offer. :-)
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Eric Mwania <emwania@gmail.com> wrote:
WiFi signals is not affected by rain but mostly by microwave toys remote controls or surface that reflect the signal
otherwise poorest latency i got was 9ms when the antenna was moved by strong wind
a place like town where there is more than 5000 APs running on om same channels and frequency i expect you get interference otherwise i noted most people use the default channel 6 so u can use a different one for better performance
my point is u can do 1.5 km with Wifi u don't need Wimax
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@Eric, I did not know CCK does not care about 2.4Ghz but probably explains why the telco sector is what it is. They are openly ignoring the grey and illegal setups. Heck, they do not even need a special vehicle to enforce anything, just simply drive around with a laptop and an external antenne and clamp down on rogue networks. So the ISP/Networks/BPOs are all being charged millions of Kshs in annual fees, compliance returns, circuits charges while being expected to compete in the same market. Wifi is similar to bluetooth, its range is deliberatly limited to ensure everyone gets a share of the open network frequency and not have one powerful radio knocking out everything closeby. By not keeping the power levels checked or deploying higher levels, we are basically stopping others from using devices. No one owns 2.4Ghz yet there are limitations to ensure everyone gets a chance to use it. I'm not confusing @Mutua. All I'm saying is this : You have official options, follow those channels. You are trying things that will not help you long term because you network will get jammed by someone else and that is my concern as a fellow skunk. You already know about Strix, ask yourself why KDN do not increase power levels at butterfly stations but revert to selling products that " amplifying signals " at the receive end? Strix is a very capable product of upto many many kms. The only thing I still suggest is that you tie up with an ISP/Network Operator and to save on bandwidth costs by creating a common VLAN on wireless. HTHs. Cheers. ( I've used up bytes for next week, hakuna byte mafuta.... ) :-) On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Eric Mwania <emwania@gmail.com> wrote:
@AKI i think you just complicating things for Mutua He is simply requesting we recommend an AP that can Cover 1.5 km ?
I THINK we are confusing Mutua here he has already spend on MikroTik which is almost 100k and something for managing his hotspot so another option is simply wasting resources he has already spend ON
our CCK does not care about frequency 2.4GHz
Do you have a recommendation for an AP + Antenna that can help him cover that distance ?
Thank you guys for all your contributions. @Eric Mwania - You exactly know what I need. On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:41 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
@Eric, I did not know CCK does not care about 2.4Ghz but probably explains why the telco sector is what it is. They are openly ignoring the grey and illegal setups. Heck, they do not even need a special vehicle to enforce anything, just simply drive around with a laptop and an external antenne and clamp down on rogue networks. So the ISP/Networks/BPOs are all being charged millions of Kshs in annual fees, compliance returns, circuits charges while being expected to compete in the same market. Wifi is similar to bluetooth, its range is deliberatly limited to ensure everyone gets a share of the open network frequency and not have one powerful radio knocking out everything closeby. By not keeping the power levels checked or deploying higher levels, we are basically stopping others from using devices. No one owns 2.4Ghz yet there are limitations to ensure everyone gets a chance to use it.
I'm not confusing @Mutua. All I'm saying is this : You have official options, follow those channels. You are trying things that will not help you long term because you network will get jammed by someone else and that is my concern as a fellow skunk. You already know about Strix, ask yourself why KDN do not increase power levels at butterfly stations but revert to selling products that " amplifying signals " at the receive end? Strix is a very capable product of upto many many kms. The only thing I still suggest is that you tie up with an ISP/Network Operator and to save on bandwidth costs by creating a common VLAN on wireless. HTHs.
Cheers. ( I've used up bytes for next week, hakuna byte mafuta.... ) :-)
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Eric Mwania <emwania@gmail.com> wrote:
@AKI i think you just complicating things for Mutua He is simply requesting we recommend an AP that can Cover 1.5 km ?
I THINK we are confusing Mutua here he has already spend on MikroTik which is almost 100k and something for managing his hotspot so another option is simply wasting resources he has already spend ON
our CCK does not care about frequency 2.4GHz
Do you have a recommendation for an AP + Antenna that can help him cover that distance ?
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@Mutua thanks @ Aki i fully support and understand what your saying. CCK is after BIG MEAT.FM stations, T.V stations ISP and blah blah that's why they ignore those illegal Setups anyway who cares about the other in Kenya everyone simply wants a piece of everything . and the effects will be felt in a year time communication on Wi-fi will be Poor and unreliable. Wi- FI is very cheap, easy to implement and everyone will Go Wifi for PtP btn Building and Mesh Powerful WiFi Point to Mpoint. as U said no one owns WiFi and it will end up like a Public Toilet Lets hope CCK will do something about and long live 2.4 GHZ On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:57 PM, mambo mutua <am.mambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you guys for all your contributions.
@Eric Mwania - You exactly know what I need.
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:41 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
@Eric, I did not know CCK does not care about 2.4Ghz but probably explains why the telco sector is what it is. They are openly ignoring the grey and illegal setups. Heck, they do not even need a special vehicle to enforce anything, just simply drive around with a laptop and an external antenne and clamp down on rogue networks. So the ISP/Networks/BPOs are all being charged millions of Kshs in annual fees, compliance returns, circuits charges while being expected to compete in the same market. Wifi is similar to bluetooth, its range is deliberatly limited to ensure everyone gets a share of the open network frequency and not have one powerful radio knocking out everything closeby. By not keeping the power levels checked or deploying higher levels, we are basically stopping others from using devices. No one owns 2.4Ghz yet there are limitations to ensure everyone gets a chance to use it.
I'm not confusing @Mutua. All I'm saying is this : You have official options, follow those channels. You are trying things that will not help you long term because you network will get jammed by someone else and that is my concern as a fellow skunk. You already know about Strix, ask yourself why KDN do not increase power levels at butterfly stations but revert to selling products that " amplifying signals " at the receive end? Strix is a very capable product of upto many many kms. The only thing I still suggest is that you tie up with an ISP/Network Operator and to save on bandwidth costs by creating a common VLAN on wireless. HTHs.
Cheers. ( I've used up bytes for next week, hakuna byte mafuta.... ) :-)
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Eric Mwania <emwania@gmail.com> wrote:
@AKI i think you just complicating things for Mutua He is simply requesting we recommend an AP that can Cover 1.5 km ?
I THINK we are confusing Mutua here he has already spend on MikroTik which is almost 100k and something for managing his hotspot so another option is simply wasting resources he has already spend ON
our CCK does not care about frequency 2.4GHz
Do you have a recommendation for an AP + Antenna that can help him cover that distance ?
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@Eric, you may have to loan me your word count. :-) There are many problems ahead for Wifi but exploitation of this frequency is what troubles me because a client can easily invested a lot of money into the free scenario only later to be told that it cannot work because of interference issues. CCK needs to ensure that wifi is limited to just indoor use except in special cases where it is not possible to setup cable or other infrastructure, especially in urban areas. We may not understand the long term impact of high power networks but going by what upperhill used to be during the late 90s, that 2.4Ghz space will not exist in a short time. Yet it is the right of every kenyan who uses wifi devices ( indoor ) to be able use such devcies. But who am I to say anything? All I can advice is not to go the extended wifi way, long term it affects your commercial deployment model. :-) On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Eric Mwania <emwania@gmail.com> wrote:
@Mutua thanks
@ Aki i fully support and understand what your saying. CCK is after BIG MEAT.FM stations, T.V stations ISP and blah blah that's why they ignore those illegal Setups anyway who cares about the other in Kenya everyone simply wants a piece of everything . and the effects will be felt in a year time communication on Wi-fi will be Poor and unreliable.
Wi- FI is very cheap, easy to implement and everyone will Go Wifi for PtP btn Building and Mesh Powerful WiFi Point to Mpoint. as U said no one owns WiFi and it will end up like a Public Toilet
Lets hope CCK will do something about and long live 2.4 GHZ
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