An Apple a day.....
Just what the doctor ordered..lol! :-))) Apple's Arrogance and the iPhone 4 Antenna Debacle : Jeff Bertolucci, PC World Jul 13, 2010 1:03 am Complete PCWorld Coverage Apple 32GB iPhone 4 Life must suck today at One Infinite Loop. Just when Apple had hoped the hullabaloo over the iPhone 4's apparently faulty antenna was fading to a soft rumble, Consumer Reports comes along and drops a tactical nuclear strike, declaring the new iPhone unfit for public use. And based on the extensiveness of the venerable publication's in-house testing, it's hard to dismiss CR's take as an ill-informed, kneejerk reaction to a few dropped calls. Indeed, the Antenna Crisis is getting uglier by the minute, and it's time for some serious crisis control from the folks in Cupertino. Another pseudo explanation, like the one on July 2 that fessed up to an iPhone signal-strength software glitch unrelated to the antenna design, won't cut it this time. The company is in danger of losing its hard-earned reputation for excellent quality and service. If "bad antenna" is the first thing that pops into a consumer's head when an iPhone 4 ad appears, well, that can't be good for business. .................http://www.pcworld.com/article/200954/apples_arrogance_and_the_iphone_4_ante...
http://www.fakesteve.net/ Aki, why do you hate Apple so much?
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
Aki, why do you hate Apple so much?
Philip, I personally don't see any indication of hatred in what Aki has posted, unless you mean to say Aki is CR's local representative:) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
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I mean, When Microsoft lost all the SideKick data, Aki said nothing. When Google was caught sniffing wireless networks all over the world, Aki said nothing. When Toyota had the accelerator problem, Aki said nothing. When Air France crashed in the Atlantic ocean and was never found, Aki said nothing. When Arsenal did not win the Premier League last season and they said they will win next season, Aki said nothing. Now we have this small problem with the iPhone 4 and Aki has gone all ballistic.
Dude, I posted the info about google sniffing the networks..pls check the archives. :-) Now on other issues listede below, well if the English play terrible football ( Heck, USA played much better ) and enough to send you to dream land, I can only comment.... On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
I mean,
When Microsoft lost all the SideKick data, Aki said nothing. When Google was caught sniffing wireless networks all over the world, Aki said nothing. When Toyota had the accelerator problem, Aki said nothing. When Air France crashed in the Atlantic ocean and was never found, Aki said nothing. When Arsenal did not win the Premier League last season and they said they will win next season, Aki said nothing.
Now we have this small problem with the iPhone 4 and Aki has gone all ballistic.
@Aki> I was just reading that article this morning....along with tape to fix it , am oven mit to reduce signal loss etc..it is just amusing is all (as long as I did not purchase the gadget hehehe) here is one of the articles.....on CNN http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/mobile/07/13/iphone.4.duct.tape/index.html?... On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:38 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Dude, I posted the info about google sniffing the networks..pls check the archives. :-) Now on other issues listede below, well if the English play terrible football ( Heck, USA played much better ) and enough to send you to dream land, I can only comment....
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
I mean,
When Microsoft lost all the SideKick data, Aki said nothing. When Google was caught sniffing wireless networks all over the world, Aki said nothing. When Toyota had the accelerator problem, Aki said nothing. When Air France crashed in the Atlantic ocean and was never found, Aki said nothing. When Arsenal did not win the Premier League last season and they said they will win next season, Aki said nothing.
Now we have this small problem with the iPhone 4 and Aki has gone all ballistic.
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More on the iPhone4 issue : June 28, 2010 Apple's iPhone 4: The joke's on us Hold your iPhone the wrong way and it won't work, say users. There is no problem but stay tuned for a solution, says Apple. 'Death grip hysteria' is getting wackier by the minute. Guy walks into an Apple Store, goes to the Genius Bar. He says "My iPhone doesn't work when I hold it like this." The genius says, "Don't hold it like that. Next!" Ba-dum-bum. Thank you, ladies and germs, I got a million of 'em. http://www.infoworld.com/d/adventures-in-it/apples-iphone-4-the-jokes-us-546 ------------------------------------ July 13, 2010 2:08 PM PDT Analyst: iPhone 4 recall would cost $1.5 billion In the wake of Consumer Reports announcing that it would not be recommending the iPhone 4 due to the much-discussed antenna problems, there have been calls for Apple to recall the device. While a recall could be damaging to Apple's reputation, it would also be a costly endeavor, according to some calculations made by Bernstein Research analyst Toni Sacconaghi. In a research note on Tuesday, Sacconaghi estimated that while "a full product recall of the iPhone 4 (is) highly unlikely," it would cost Apple $1.5 billion, or 3.5 percent of its total cash on hand. http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20010443-260.html
A sneak peek at iPhone 5: http://bit.ly/iPhonePreview Regards, Andrew Kinai KEEN Media Lab www.keen.co.ke On 7/14/10, Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki> I was just reading that article this morning....along with tape to fix it , am oven mit to reduce signal loss etc..it is just amusing is all (as long as I did not purchase the gadget hehehe)
here is one of the articles.....on CNN http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/mobile/07/13/iphone.4.duct.tape/index.html?...
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:38 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Dude, I posted the info about google sniffing the networks..pls check the archives. :-) Now on other issues listede below, well if the English play terrible football ( Heck, USA played much better ) and enough to send you to dream land, I can only comment....
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
I mean,
When Microsoft lost all the SideKick data, Aki said nothing. When Google was caught sniffing wireless networks all over the world, Aki said nothing. When Toyota had the accelerator problem, Aki said nothing. When Air France crashed in the Atlantic ocean and was never found, Aki said nothing. When Arsenal did not win the Premier League last season and they said they will win next season, Aki said nothing.
Now we have this small problem with the iPhone 4 and Aki has gone all ballistic.
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Andrew, I hope you understand that this is desecration of a holy product?
You got options if you don't like the iPhone go buy yourself something else. With all its issues, some of us are still dying to get hold of it. ./Ok3ch On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Andrew Kinai <andrewkinai@gmail.com> wrote:
A sneak peek at iPhone 5: http://bit.ly/iPhonePreview
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On 7/14/10, Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki> I was just reading that article this morning....along with tape to fix it , am oven mit to reduce signal loss etc..it is just amusing is all (as long as I did not purchase the gadget hehehe)
here is one of the articles.....on CNN http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/mobile/07/13/iphone.4.duct.tape/index.html?...
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:38 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Dude, I posted the info about google sniffing the networks..pls check the archives. :-) Now on other issues listede below, well if the English play terrible football ( Heck, USA played much better ) and enough to send you to dream land, I can only comment....
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
I mean,
When Microsoft lost all the SideKick data, Aki said nothing. When Google was caught sniffing wireless networks all over the world, Aki said nothing. When Toyota had the accelerator problem, Aki said nothing. When Air France crashed in the Atlantic ocean and was never found, Aki said nothing. When Arsenal did not win the Premier League last season and they said they will win next season, Aki said nothing.
Now we have this small problem with the iPhone 4 and Aki has gone all ballistic.
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Aki, you are latching to the first kind-of imperfect product produced by apple.<<broken reasoning alert>> The way I see it, it's like getting a kid with an allergy, you just don't feed him/her what he's allergic to, doesn't mean you love your child any less... :) -- With Regards, Phares Kariuki | T: +254 734 810 802 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro | Skype: kariukiphares |
@Phares, having some geek fun on this iPhone issue. To me its really funny that such a visionary and yours truly million dollar man @aka jobs would stick an antenne assembly right where one holds the phone. Talk about absorbing tiny amounts of radiation or better the hand acting as an attenuator. Lets see how far it goes...opps how far the hanset has to be held to operate. I'm already thinking of an extender bracket called iBracket that would do it well. :-))) On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Aki, you are latching to the first kind-of imperfect product produced by apple.<<broken reasoning alert>> The way I see it, it's like getting a kid with an allergy, you just don't feed him/her what he's allergic to, doesn't mean you love your child any less... :)
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@Okechukwu : ;-) Nokia: Hold your phone however you want ( http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/33982/nokia-hold-your-phone-however ) Nokia has poked fun at Apple, and its iPhone 4 signal issues, by issuing a guide on its official blog that shows you how to hold your Nokia phone. Unsurprisingly, it lists a number of ways that you can hold your handset without it making the slightest bit of difference to your phone's signal. They list a number of different holding positions including 'the cup', 'the balance' and 'the four edge grip'. The blog states: "The key function on any Nokia device is its ability to make phone calls. After all, that’s why we know them universally as mobile phones (or smart phones, feature phones or mobile computers – though the same grip styles work for those, too). One of the main things we’ve found about the 1 billion plus Nokia devices that are in use today is that when making a phone call, people generally tend to hold their phone like a…. well, like a phone." On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
You got options if you don't like the iPhone go buy yourself something else. With all its issues, some of us are still dying to get hold of it.
./Ok3ch
You must understand Nokia and Apple are two different companies. Nokia sell comodities, and Apple sells lifestyles. Now to compare Nokia products and Apple products is a bit far fetched. It is like comparing a Toyota Duet with a Bugati Vyron. There is no basis or logic of comparison.
@Aki - thats a perfect chance for Nokia to throw in some advert but we still love Apple :-) ./Ok3ch On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
You must understand Nokia and Apple are two different companies. Nokia sell comodities, and Apple sells lifestyles. Now to compare Nokia products and Apple products is a bit far fetched. It is like comparing a Toyota Duet with a Bugati Vyron. There is no basis or logic of comparison.
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For better or worse, till radiation and constant intermittent calls do us apart? lol! Kweli... On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki - thats a perfect chance for Nokia to throw in some advert but we still love Apple :-)
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
You must understand Nokia and Apple are two different companies. Nokia sell comodities, and Apple sells lifestyles. Now to compare Nokia products and Apple products is a bit far fetched. It is like comparing a Toyota Duet with a Bugati Vyron. There is no basis or logic of comparison.
@Aki! I promise to have and to *HOLD*! heheheh watchman On 7/14/10 12:16 PM, aki wrote:
For better or worse, till radiation and constant intermittent calls do us apart? lol! Kweli...
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Okechukwu<okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki - thats a perfect chance for Nokia to throw in some advert but we still love Apple :-)
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Philip Musyoki<pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
You must understand Nokia and Apple are two different companies. Nokia sell comodities, and Apple sells lifestyles. Now to compare Nokia products and Apple products is a bit far fetched. It is like comparing a Toyota Duet with a Bugati Vyron. There is no basis or logic of comparison.
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Thou should be careful of thy partner, does thee know the effects of radio waves down thee hand and what possible effects, if any. it has on thy future potential of a family? ;-) On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:20 PM, [watchman] <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki!
I promise to have and to HOLD! heheheh
watchman
Well, Theoretically, waves in hand = less in other areas Thereby increasing productivity in aforementioned "Other Areas" watchman On 7/14/10 12:27 PM, aki wrote:
Thou should be careful of thy partner, does thee know the effects of radio waves down thee hand and what possible effects, if any. it has on thy future potential of a family? ;-)
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:20 PM, [watchman]<skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki!
I promise to have and to HOLD! heheheh
watchman
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LOL!! @Watchman>I mean, seriously, the Consumer Report have a way of yanking the chain on producers. However, since Apple is so big and previously seemed infallible, CR just hit it where it was bound to hurt. The result just ended up being a bit (a lot ) comical hehehe. The glitch during Iphone4 live unveiling didnt help much. But I gottsa say, as funny as it is, Apple produces products that are damn nice to hold...the heck with the functionality hehehe...I wonder if they can make a chocolate I phone....I would buy it...maybe [?] walking on broken glass:::::::: On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:27 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Thou should be careful of thy partner, does thee know the effects of radio waves down thee hand and what possible effects, if any. it has on thy future potential of a family? ;-)
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:20 PM, [watchman] <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki!
I promise to have and to HOLD! heheheh
watchman
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On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com> wrote:
the heck with the functionality hehehe...I wonder if they can make a chocolate I phone....I would buy it...maybe [?] walking on broken glass::::::::
iChocolate?!!! :-)) For giving the million dollar man a new idea, I say = http://www.collectiondx.com/gallery2/gallery/d/94682-3/PA021153.jpg
What is Watchman's role? Apples official policy is to delete any questions referring<http://www.cio.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1284:apple-forum-police-erase-consumer-reports-threads&catid=36:world-news&Itemid=83>to the CR report and its problems. So watchman should have had this thread deleted long time ago.
Ahh my dear Dennis. What thread is it that you refer to? You simply imagine there is a thread. There never was one to begin with. This is an imGinArey concept you believe exists. creepy wind blowing...howling wolf... Creaking door opening ... *Not the watchman* On 7/14/10 2:52 PM, Dennis Kioko wrote:
What is Watchman's role? Apples official policy is to delete any questions referring <http://www.cio.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1284:apple-forum-police-erase-consumer-reports-threads&catid=36:world-news&Itemid=83> to the CR report and its problems. So watchman should have had this thread deleted long time ago.
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And the saga continues : SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) – Apple Inc has called a surprise press conference for Friday to talk about the iPhone 4, as the company continues to deal with fallout from reported reception problems on its popular smartphone. Apple spokesman Steve Dowling said late on Wednesday the company would hold the event at 10 a.m. on Friday at its headquarters in Cupertino, California. He declined to provide further details, or to say whether the event will address the signal-strength problems that some people have reported having with the iPhone 4 when the device is held in a certain way. Apple has faced mounting criticism from analysts and consumers over its handling of complaints about the reception issues on the newest iPhone, which was launched last month. Analysts say Apple has created a public relations headache for itself by appearing to dismiss or ignore the problem, allowing a minor issue to be turned into headline news. Although most analysts believe a recall of the device is unlikely, a growing chorus have urged Apple to resolve the matter, perhaps by offering free iPhone cases, which appear to solve the problem. The iPhone 4 has been an unqualified hit with consumers, and sales have so far been unaffected by the controversy, analysts say. Apple sold 1.7 million units in its first three days to become the fastest selling device in the company's history. But scattered reports cropped up early on from users who complained about decreased signal strength when they touched certain parts of the phone. The company has been sued by several consumers over the matter. Still, the problem does not appear to be widespread. Earlier this month, Apple issued a statement, saying the problem was caused by a software glitch that overstates network signal strength. But some found that explanation wanting. Many who follow the company believe the problem is with the hardware itself. A steel band runs along the outside of the iPhone 4 and acts as the antenna. The influential publication Consumer Reports said on Monday it could not recommend the iPhone 4 to buyers because of problems with its signal-strength. It has called on Apple to provide a free fix to iPhone 4 buyers. On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 2:59 PM, [watchman] <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
Ahh my dear Dennis.
What thread is it that you refer to?
You simply imagine there is a thread. There never was one to begin with. This is an imGinArey concept you believe exists.
creepy wind blowing...howling wolf... Creaking door opening ...
Apple has a lot on its plate this friday! :-)))) Late Show with David Letterman - Top 10 Signs You've Purchased a Bad iPhone 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEAGos68cBg&feature=player_embedded#at=11
Niiiice !! I think I will hold off the iphone4 for a few more months...
Now I have a bigger fight with Apple! :-)))) How can they offer a COSMETIC solution to a poorly designed handset? Total RECALL is the only solution, nothing less. Dear Apple users, your GUCCI, ARMANI product has a Zipper stitched in entirely the wrong place, you are being offered a new way to hide the Zipper. But when you go for that call of nature, how is it going to work? Apple's fix for iPhone 4 antenna glitch: Free cases for users By Gregg Keizer July 16, 2010 04:44 PM ET Computerworld - Facing heat from customers, the media and Wall Street analysts over iPhone 4 antenna and reception problems, Apple CEO Steve Jobs today said every iPhone owner would be given a free case. The announcement came at a hurriedly-called news conference at Apple's Cupertino, Calif. campus. The event was announced late Wednesday, and came amid a three-week span of negative publicity surrounding the iPhone 4 that reached a crescendo Monday when Consumer Reports said it could not recommend the smartphone because it dropped calls and lost signals when users held it in certain ways. "We love our users, we really love them," Jobs said during the news conference. "We try very hard to surprise and delight them. We work our asses off. When we fall short, which we do sometimes, we try harder. We pick ourselves up, figure out what's wrong and we try harder." Customers who have already purchased a $29 Bumper case from Apple will receive a refund, Jobs said, and all iPhone owners will be given a choice of several different manufacturers' cases, including Apple's. "We can't make enough bumpers," Jobs said. "No way can we make enough in the quarter. So what we're going to do is source some cases and give you a choice." More...... http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9179245/Apple_s_fix_for_iPhone_4_ante...
This is just hillarious!! It does not mean that I hate Apple or its products, its just that I really enjoy this circus. On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:08 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
@Okechukwu : ;-)
Nokia: Hold your phone however you want ( http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/33982/nokia-hold-your-phone-however )
Nokia has poked fun at Apple, and its iPhone 4 signal issues, by issuing a guide on its official blog that shows you how to hold your Nokia phone. Unsurprisingly, it lists a number of ways that you can hold your handset without it making the slightest bit of difference to your phone's signal.
They list a number of different holding positions including 'the cup', 'the balance' and 'the four edge grip'. The blog states:
"The key function on any Nokia device is its ability to make phone calls. After all, that’s why we know them universally as mobile phones (or smart phones, feature phones or mobile computers – though the same grip styles work for those, too). One of the main things we’ve found about the 1 billion plus Nokia devices that are in use today is that when making a phone call, people generally tend to hold their phone like a…. well, like a phone."
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
You got options if you don't like the iPhone go buy yourself something else. With all its issues, some of us are still dying to get hold of it.
./Ok3ch
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@Eva! We are not a circus! just a chaotic form of intellectual zoology! muhuhahahahah!!! watchman On 7/14/10 12:14 PM, aki wrote:
You are quite welcome Eva! :-)))
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Eva Kimathi<evakimathi@gmail.com> wrote:
This is just hillarious!!
It does not mean that I hate Apple or its products, its just that I really enjoy this circus.
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I am one of those Apple 'fans' and a fan of pixar and steve jobs,,, we can be forgiven for turning a blindside to anything Apple does :) Sent from my iPhone On Jul 14, 2010, at 11:49 AM,
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:38 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote: Dude, I posted the info about google sniffing the networks..pls check the archives. :-) Now on other issues listede below, well if the English play terrible football ( Heck, USA played much better ) and enough to send you to dream land, I can only comment....
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
I mean,
When Microsoft lost all the SideKick data, Aki said nothing. When Google was caught sniffing wireless networks all over the world, Aki said nothing. When Toyota had the accelerator problem, Aki said nothing. When Air France crashed in the Atlantic ocean and was never found, Aki said nothing. When Arsenal did not win the Premier League last season and they said they will win next season, Aki said nothing.
Now we have this small problem with the iPhone 4 and Aki has gone all ballistic.
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Nope... :-) Am surprised that no one on this list posted the iPhone4 reception problem. There's a new joke out now = How not to hold an iPhone! Lol! ;-) On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki You a MSFT employee by any chance?
-- With Regards,
Phares Kariuki
Aki -- ebu come clean. Did Steve Jobs kill your puppy? On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:16 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Just what the doctor ordered..lol! :-)))
Apple's Arrogance and the iPhone 4 Antenna Debacle :
Jeff Bertolucci, PC World Jul 13, 2010 1:03 am Complete PCWorld Coverage
Apple 32GB iPhone 4
Life must suck today at One Infinite Loop. Just when Apple had hoped the hullabaloo over the iPhone 4's apparently faulty antenna was fading to a soft rumble, Consumer Reports comes along and drops a tactical nuclear strike, declaring the new iPhone unfit for public use. And based on the extensiveness of the venerable publication's in-house testing, it's hard to dismiss CR's take as an ill-informed, kneejerk reaction to a few dropped calls. Indeed, the Antenna Crisis is getting uglier by the minute, and it's time for some serious crisis control from the folks in Cupertino. Another pseudo explanation, like the one on July 2 that fessed up to an iPhone signal-strength software glitch unrelated to the antenna design, won't cut it this time. The company is in danger of losing its hard-earned reputation for excellent quality and service. If "bad antenna" is the first thing that pops into a consumer's head when an iPhone 4 ad appears, well, that can't be good for business.
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lol!!! :-) On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Aki -- ebu come clean. Did Steve Jobs kill your puppy?
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:16 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Just what the doctor ordered..lol! :-)))
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