Should be 13.Erick your calculator appears to be doing Linear processing insread of following BODMAS On 12/30/10, Erick Njenga <eriknjenga@gmail.com> wrote:

Msema kweli<http://www.google.co.ke/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=11+x+2+%2B+32+-+21+%2B+5+x+3+%2B+5+x+1+%3D> --

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BODMAS : 11 x 2 + 32 - 21 + 5 x 3 + 5 x 1 since we have no brackets, or division, we go to multiplication: hence (11X2) +32-21+(5X3)+(5X1) => 22 + 32 - 21 + 15 + 5 Then Addition (22+32) - (21+15+5) => 54 - 41 => 13. My 2 Cnts. On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:

Such a mathematical calculation does not require BODMAS, I was taught that in school, since there is not bracket. If done as it is, the answer should be 53. Therefore the 'winner' of that 160K, is just 'one of the few picked up' guys and declared them winners.

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IMO, The link provided by @Erick is right... the answer should be 53; and @Brian the calculator did use BODMAS.

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Should be 13.Erick your calculator appears to be doing Linear processing insread of following BODMAS

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as illustrated by Collins, you do not assume the rules just coz there are no brackets. therefore (22+32)-(21+15+5)=13 On 12/30/10, Erick Njenga <eriknjenga@gmail.com> wrote:

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(22+32) - (21+15+5)

I don't think this is correct. It should be:

(22+32) -21 +(15+5) = 54 - 21 + 1 = 53 or (22+32)+(-21+15+5) = 54 + (-1) = 53

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From the laws of BODMAS yes.Its equal to 0

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according to your logic, then 1-0+1 = 0 ??

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ok i used a scientific calculator here and maybe am wrong or the ones who coded the calculator might be wrong.am officially confused!! http://bit.ly/i4eLYY On 12/30/10, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:

DUDE! with or without BODMAS its 0. :-)

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Brian Rioba <rriobs@gmail.com> wrote:

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From the laws of BODMAS yes.Its equal to 0

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according to your logic, then 1-0+1 = 0 ??

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I may be wrong, but according to BODMAS, addition is done before subtraction, therefore 1-0+1 = 2. The mistake folks are making is introducing brackets where there were none, thus the classic creating your own questions :) On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Erick Njenga <eriknjenga@gmail.com> wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subtraction

The traditional names for the parts of the formula<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula>

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*c* - *b* = *a*

are *minuend* (*c*) - *subtrahend* (*b*) = *difference* (*a*). The words "minuend" and "subtrahend" are uncommon in modern usage.[1]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subtraction#cite_note-0> Instead we say that *c** and -b are terms, and treat subtraction as addition of the additive inverse <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Additive_inverse>.*The answer is still called the *difference*.

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@Collins I can see where you are coming from but 0 is a negative number (in this case), thus we re-arrange the numbers to have 1+1+(-0) = 2. On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:

cant believe a BODMAS question can elicit this much response. @Martin you are wrong, true in BODMAS you add before you subtract. so add 0 and 1 first, thats 1, then 1-1 thats zero.

how did you do your addition kwani?

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I may be wrong, but according to BODMAS, addition is done before subtraction, therefore 1-0+1 = 2. The mistake folks are making is introducing brackets where there were none, thus the classic creating your own questions :)

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Erick Njenga <eriknjenga@gmail.com>wrote:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subtraction

The traditional names for the parts of the formula<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula>

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*c* - *b* = *a*

are *minuend* (*c*) - *subtrahend* (*b*) = *difference* (*a*). The words "minuend" and "subtrahend" are uncommon in modern usage.[1]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subtraction#cite_note-0> Instead we say that *c** and -b are terms, and treat subtraction as addition of the additive inverse <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Additive_inverse>.*The answer is still called the *difference*.

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I never tried to imply there is a negative zero, and re-arranging an equation is certainly allowed in the solution of equations! On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:

DUDE, there is nothing like negative zero! does not exist. my only word of advise though, when you have to rearrange the equation to justify an arguement, you are doing what we reffered to as MalReasoning. Deiberately refusing to reason..

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@Collins I can see where you are coming from but 0 is a negative number (in this case), thus we re-arrange the numbers to have 1+1+(-0) = 2.

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cant believe a BODMAS question can elicit this much response. @Martin you are wrong, true in BODMAS you add before you subtract. so add 0 and 1 first, thats 1, then 1-1 thats zero.

how did you do your addition kwani?

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I may be wrong, but according to BODMAS, addition is done before subtraction, therefore 1-0+1 = 2. The mistake folks are making is introducing brackets where there were none, thus the classic creating your own questions :)

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Erick Njenga <eriknjenga@gmail.com>wrote:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subtraction

The traditional names for the parts of the formula<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula>

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*c* - *b* = *a*

are *minuend* (*c*) - *subtrahend* (*b*) = *difference* (*a*). The words "minuend" and "subtrahend" are uncommon in modern usage.[1]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subtraction#cite_note-0> Instead we say that *c** and -b are terms, and treat subtraction as addition of the additive inverse<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Additive_inverse> .* The answer is still called the *difference*.

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@Steve Thank you for clarifying. I may not have had the technical jargon to put across my point, but we were going to the same destination all the same. On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:

You guys are all wrong. Let me explain how BODMAS and how your computers calculate

There is no such thing as -0 to start with

So to break down that equation using BODMAS its like so..

1 + (-0) + 1 = 2

Since 0 = -0 = +0

To understand this stuff well, every time you see a minus sign use it as a UNARY OPERATOR and not a BINARY OPERATOR. So just put the number with the minus sign in braces and prepend it with a plus (+) BINARY OPERATOR as I have done above. While the minus because of the brackets in the BODMAS rule qualifies it to be a UNARY OPERATOR

Hope this clears the air on this simple problem

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DUDE, there is nothing like negative zero! does not exist. my only word of advise though, when you have to rearrange the equation to justify an arguement, you are doing what we reffered to as MalReasoning. Deiberately refusing to reason..

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On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Martin G. Kamau <gachunga@gmail.com>wrote:

@Collins I can see where you are coming from but 0 is a negative number (in this case), thus we re-arrange the numbers to have 1+1+(-0) = 2.

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On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:

cant believe a BODMAS question can elicit this much response. @Martin you are wrong, true in BODMAS you add before you subtract. so add 0 and 1 first, thats 1, then 1-1 thats zero.

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how did you do your addition kwani?

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On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Martin G. Kamau <gachunga@gmail.com>wrote:

I may be wrong, but according to BODMAS, addition is done before subtraction, therefore 1-0+1 = 2. The mistake folks are making is introducing brackets where there were none, thus the classic creating your own questions :)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subtraction

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The traditional names for the parts of the formula<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula> *c* - *b* = *a*

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Negative Zero as far as i know only exists in Pure Maths. This was not, pure maths unless i missed a century and we all got Super Smart in that time.. :D futureWatchman. On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:

@Martin I noticed that

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@Steve Thank you for clarifying. I may not have had the technical jargon to put across my point, but we were going to the same destination all the same.

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:

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You guys are all wrong. Let me explain how BODMAS and how your computers

calculate

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There is no such thing as -0 to start with

So to break down that equation using BODMAS its like so..

1 + (-0) + 1 = 2

Since 0 = -0 = +0

To understand this stuff well, every time you see a minus sign use it as

a UNARY OPERATOR and not

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a BINARY OPERATOR. So just put the number with the minus sign in braces and prepend it with a plus (+) BINARY OPERATOR as I have done above. While the minus because of the brackets in the BODMAS rule qualifies it to be a UNARY OPERATOR

Hope this clears the air on this simple problem

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DUDE, there is nothing like negative zero! does not exist. my only word of advise though, when you have to rearrange the equation to justify an arguement, you are doing what we reffered to as MalReasoning. Deiberately refusing to reason..

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@Collins I can see where you are coming from but 0 is a negative number (in this case), thus we re-arrange the numbers to have 1+1+(-0) = 2.

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cant believe a BODMAS question can elicit this much response. @Martin you are wrong, true in BODMAS you add before you subtract. so add 0 and 1 first, thats 1, then 1-1 thats zero.

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how did you do your addition kwani?

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I may be wrong, but according to BODMAS, addition is done before subtraction, therefore 1-0+1 = 2. The mistake folks are making is introducing brackets where there were none, thus the classic creating your own questions :)

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Claire Uko down bana. It seems like thafu was not one of your favorites :-) Anyways its true. Unfortunately as one MP said, its kenyans who tolerate, and thats why things are as they are. On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Claire Njoki <clairenjoki@gmail.com> wrote:

Good morning guys,

I still believe the answer is 13...

But, let us assume that the answer is 53, then the BLCB should get on this case ASAP because the guy who won the Ksh. 160,000 said that the answer was 120....that is waaaaaaaaaay off the 53 or 13...

Clearly this is unfair because there were other callers who had said 53 and were told that they were wrong.

Does this mean that BLCB is sleeping on its job? Do they even monitor these draws? Does that mean that there are people who have "fraudulently" won millions in the past. I know these are games of chance but still there needs to be fairness!

Anyway, I still think the answer is 13.

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Negative Zero as far as i know only exists in Pure Maths. This was not, pure maths unless i missed a century and we all got Super Smart in that time.. :D

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On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:

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@Martin I noticed that

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@Steve Thank you for clarifying. I may not have had the technical jargon to put across my point, but we were going to the same destination all the same.

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:

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You guys are all wrong. Let me explain how BODMAS and how your computers

calculate

...

There is no such thing as -0 to start with

So to break down that equation using BODMAS its like so..

1 + (-0) + 1 = 2

Since 0 = -0 = +0

To understand this stuff well, every time you see a minus sign use it as

a UNARY OPERATOR and not

...

a BINARY OPERATOR. So just put the number with the minus sign in braces and prepend it with a plus (+) BINARY OPERATOR as I have done above. While the minus because of the brackets in the BODMAS rule qualifies it to be a UNARY OPERATOR

Hope this clears the air on this simple problem

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DUDE, there is nothing like negative zero! does not exist. my only word of advise though, when you have to rearrange the equation to justify an arguement, you are doing what we reffered to as MalReasoning. Deiberately refusing to reason..

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@Collins I can see where you are coming from but 0 is a negative number (in this case), thus we re-arrange the numbers to have 1+1+(-0) = 2.

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cant believe a BODMAS question can elicit this much response. @Martin you are wrong, true in BODMAS you add before you subtract. so add 0 and 1 first, thats 1, then 1-1 thats zero.

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On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Claire Njoki <clairenjoki@gmail.com> wrote:

Good morning guys,

I still believe the answer is 13...

But, let us assume that the answer is 53, then the BLCB should get on this case ASAP because the guy who won the Ksh. 160,000 said that the answer was 120....that is waaaaaaaaaay off the 53 or 13...

Clearly this is unfair because there were other callers who had said 53 and were told that they were wrong.

Does this mean that BLCB is sleeping on its job? Do they even monitor these draws? Does that mean that there are people who have "fraudulently" won millions in the past. I know these are games of chance but still there needs to be fairness!

Anyway, I still think the answer is 13.

Claire.

Clare, I wouldn't comment on what the answer is but I do believe those guys too must have googled, just like the folks here, and still ended with the wrong answer. As it is, I don't even know what the answer is. However, one thing I am sure of is that there are recordings of the TV program and KTN can be asked to produce them for audit. I also believe the system used in the calls can be audited, as it is obvious they record the callers numbers somewhere for verification when you go to collect the prize money. So let's see if BLCB is going to see these fraudulent cases and keep some guys in the cooler. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!

@frank and @Dennis the menace. Yes, hesahu was not my forte...but one thing I have learnt is that as long as you can count money the rest is just superficial... ..I can count money in the dark, I can even tell you the fake notes in the dark, I can even arrange the notes chronologically (in the dark) or even if you want them arranged serially, I can also do that (in the dark)...that is all that matters...all this calculus, polygons, right angles, unnatural numbers, etc....doesn't matter... Well...unless you are working for NASA and you have to make some major calculations to ensure that your astronauts land on the moon and not on Migingo island. Claire. On 12/31/10, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:

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@collins ...Oh, definitely not, what I meant was that for you to be really wealthy you have to really love your money and have a "intimate" relationship with each and every note and coin that comes your way...but I guess the same applies to misers...lol On 12/31/10, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry claire but i have to bite you on this...

I can even arrange the notes *chronologically* (in the dark)

you mean you check the date of manufacture ?

@Peter, hehehe.... ata mimi I hated hizo Lagrangian equations [way too advanced for this discussion on such a simple equation] @Claire You clearly have issues with thafu

11 x 2 + 32 - 21 + 5 x 3 + 5 x 1 = ?

Then:

22 + 32 - 21 + 15 + 5 = ?

From here just follow sequentialy.....

THEN -> 22 + 32 = 54 THEN -> 54 - 21 = 33 THEN -> 33 + 15 = 48 THEN -> 48 + 5 = 53!!! On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com>wrote:

He he he Clare!

Now this "maths" reminds me of Kivuitu. It also reminds me of the Lagrangian equation (someone try that) I somehow hated! I have encountered many equations and none gave such a diverse ans base.

Anyway. I never liked maths like I did physics.

Peter

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@Claire You clearly have issues with thafu

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11 x 2 + 32 - 21 + 5 x 3 + 5 x 1 = ?

Then:

22 + 32 - 21 + 15 + 5 = ?

From here just follow sequentialy.....

THEN -> 22 + 32 = 54

THEN -> 54 - 21 = 33

THEN -> 33 + 15 = 48

THEN -> 48 + 5 = 53!!!

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He he he Clare!

Now this "maths" reminds me of Kivuitu. It also reminds me of the Lagrangian equation (someone try that) I somehow hated! I have encountered many equations and none gave such a diverse ans base.

Anyway. I never liked maths like I did physics.

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Greg; You now get my point. This simple BODMAS should not be an issue on Skunkworks. There are far more difficult statistical and mathematical questions that should preserve our minds. But I also think such simple maths is what makes the difference in the exam room. Thats why university exams are always "simple" yet we never pass them (thats in 2002) BTW, there was a time she even said Patrice Evra is from an African country, Senegal! Yuk! (ati - he plays for manchester united and is from Africa, the name starts with E and ends with A, then they brought his picture). I hav never laughed into slumber! And someone walked away with Kes 100,000 for that lie. Nkt! On 12/31/10, Gregory Okoth <gregory.okoth@gmail.com> wrote:

@Peter, hehehe.... ata mimi I hated hizo Lagrangian equations [way too advanced for this discussion on such a simple equation]

@Claire You clearly have issues with thafu

@Claire, I explained very clearly in an earlier post why the answer is 53 and not 13 and not 120. There are things that you do in life out of instinct (Inverse Kinematics) and dont know you actually do it and subtracting numbers is one of them. Subtracting a number is actually adding a negative number. Nways this equation is one of those things that can get you in trouble if you don't know what you are doing. As explained in my earlier post, every time you encounter a minus (-) before a number what you are really encountering is +(-number) the + and the brackets are implicit. Just that your teachers didnt tell you this. Maybe they too didnt know. Its little things like these that cause nasty bugs in software and developers can never figure out why their software is not working the way they expect. Steve Obbayi Software Developer ----- "Claire Njoki" <clairenjoki@gmail.com> wrote:

Good morning guys,

I still believe the answer is 13...

But, let us assume that the answer is 53, then the BLCB should get on this case ASAP because the guy who won the Ksh. 160,000 said that the answer was 120....that is waaaaaaaaaay off the 53 or 13...

Clearly this is unfair because there were other callers who had said 53 and were told that they were wrong.

Does this mean that BLCB is sleeping on its job? Do they even monitor these draws? Does that mean that there are people who have "fraudulently" won millions in the past. I know these are games of chance but still there needs to be fairness!

Anyway, I still think the answer is 13.

Claire.

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Negative Zero as far as i know only exists in Pure Maths. This was not, pure maths unless i missed a century and we all got Super Smart in that time.. :D

futureWatchman.

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@Martin I noticed that

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@Steve Thank you for clarifying. I may not have had the technical jargon to put across my point, but we were going to the same destination all the same.

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You guys are all wrong. Let me explain how BODMAS and how your computers

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There is no such thing as -0 to start with

So to break down that equation using BODMAS its like so..

1 + (-0) + 1 = 2

Since 0 = -0 = +0

To understand this stuff well, every time you see a minus sign

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Hope this clears the air on this simple problem

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DUDE, there is nothing like negative zero! does not exist. my only word of advise though, when you have to rearrange the equation to justify an arguement, you are doing what we reffered to as MalReasoning. Deiberately refusing to reason..

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@Collins I can see where you are coming from but 0 is a negative number (in this case), thus we re-arrange the numbers to have 1+1+(-0) =

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when you have to rearrange the equation to justify an arguement, you are doing what we reffered to as MalReasoning. Deiberately refusing to reason..

Areba .. LOL! , Not to derail the discussion, but the term `MalReasoning` has taken me back 12 years and given me a good laugh in the process .. You see in a certain institution (where I suspect you were) , it was construed that since `malfunction` and `malnutrition` employ the same mechanism to negate their respective nouns, it would be very much in order to describe a fellow/gentleman who purposefully went round the rules of reason to win an argument as one `malreasoning`. the prefix was appropriate in two ways : it not only expressed the force with which the gentleman (most probably in authority, a cop) went against reason, but his acute deficiency of the substance as well. interesting times those were. need i mention that concocting a word like `malreason` was itself an exercise of the vice.. :-) Back to BODMAS, am now lost for what i thought i knew the answer was. suddenly Gitau's argument seems right!

@Ndungi, pleasant surprise! 12 years was i think when i must have been leaving that "institution". @solomon, you still looking for a way of making 11 x 2 + 32 - 21 + 5 x 3 + 5 x 1 equal to anything i want? Haaa! On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Ndungi Kyalo <ndungi@gmail.com> wrote:

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doing what we reffered to as MalReasoning. Deiberately refusing to reason..

Areba .. LOL! ,

Not to derail the discussion, but the term `MalReasoning` has taken me back 12 years and given me a good laugh in the process .. You see in a certain institution (where I suspect you were) , it was construed that since `malfunction` and `malnutrition` employ the same mechanism to negate their respective nouns, it would be very much in order to describe a fellow/gentleman who purposefully went round the rules of reason to win an argument as one `malreasoning`. the prefix was appropriate in two ways : it not only expressed the force with which the gentleman (most probably in authority, a cop) went against reason, but his acute deficiency of the substance as well. interesting times those were. need i mention that concocting a word like `malreason` was itself an exercise of the vice.. :-)

Back to BODMAS, am now lost for what i thought i knew the answer was. suddenly Gitau's argument seems right!

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subtraction is addition of a negative. people! 11 x 2 + 32 - 21 + 5 x 3 + 5 x 1 (11 x 2) + 32 - 21 + (5 x 3) + (5 x 1) 22 + 32 - 21 + 15 + 5 22 + 32 + (-21) + 15 + 5 (The brackets aren't for BODMAS, they're for representation of a negative integer) 54 + (-21) + 20 Either way you go about that, you get 53: 54 + (-21 + 20 = -1) = 53 (54 - 21 = 33) + 20 = 53 (54 + 20) - 21 or (54 + 20) + (-21) = 74 - 21 or 74 + (-21) = 53 Interesting how you got 13, had me for a while there had to do it on my own. Reminds me of those times when you tried to solve the problem in a Math paper and your answer wasn't one of the choices. SO FRUSTRATING :-/ Then you'd raise your hand and tell the teacher that the question is wrong and he'd say there's nothing wrong with it, and then you'd already know that 13 is not the answer... but where to from here!? Hahaha... Thank you for bringing this up @Claire. On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Lenchipai Nakodony <lenchi@inbox.com>wrote:

What KTN was asking for was you ADD ALL THE NUMBERS ON THE BOARD (it was was something like a brain teaser). You add them all up and you will get the 120.

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I think the answer is 53. Regards Richard Gathogo. On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:43 PM, skunk works <skunkworks100@gmail.com> wrote:

@Claire, you are a funny Lady , you really know how to dissect words....What do we call word surgery?

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What KTN was asking for was you ADD ALL THE NUMBERS ON THE BOARD (it was was something like a brain teaser). You add them all up and you will get the 120.

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@Joram, LOL! When the thread started I also thought the answer was obvious (and I also thought `I knew`). A few replies later I was shifting camps like a Kenyan politician in 1997. More replies streamed in and then I was like a judge bombarded and DOS-ed with so much legalese and Latin that he can no longer conclusively rule which is his left hand and which is his right hand. And now you ask whether BODMAS operations are applied left-to-right or right-to-left; my only reply is `na left ndio pande gani` ! On 4 January 2011 02:01, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:

I think we can vote this the best thread of 2010......

I dont even want to start calculating

Someone remind me, with the bodmas rule do you calculate left to right or right to left?

Eg when you have 8-4-4 which substraction do you do first the (4-4) or the (8-4)

Im also confused. Seems degrees just make us dumber and not sharper....a lot of it depends starts to show up in discussions. Come to think of it maybe politicians invented maths to confuse the masses

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Richard Gathogo <muraguri2005@gmail.com>wrote:

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I think the answer is 53. Regards Richard Gathogo.

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:43 PM, skunk works <skunkworks100@gmail.com>wrote:

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@Claire, you are a funny Lady , you really know how to dissect words....What do we call word surgery?

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What KTN was asking for was you ADD ALL THE NUMBERS ON THE BOARD (it was was something like a brain teaser). You add them all up and you will get the 120.

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@joram... My point exactly: ----- quoting joram ----- - with the bodmas rule do you calculate left to right or right to left? - when you have 8-4-4 which substraction do you do first the (4-4) or the (8-4) ----- end of quoting joram ----- a) 8-4-4 can be equal to 8 if we first do (4-4) b) 8-4-4 can be equal to 0 if we first do (8-4) What I also ask is which left? My Left or Your Left. Kudos to Joram for throwing in the whole toolbox in the works instead of only the spanner... On 1/4/11, Haggai Nyang <haggai.nyang@gmail.com> wrote:

Hmmm...mine's the 90th post and counting...seems we spend 8-4-4 learning stuff, the years afterwards are spent unlearning :)

@paul At what point do we decide to put the brackets? I believe sospeter said that they are imaginary and that they just make it easier in grouping... ...therefore, would I be wrong if I just imagine that there are brackets there because I want to make the grouping easier? Claire. On 1/4/11, Paul Njoroge <njorogekamau@gmail.com> wrote:

just keep in mind that both 4's are negative so there is no 4-4, its -4-4, plus there's no need for brackets here....

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Claire Njoki <clairenjoki@gmail.com> wrote:

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@joram...

My point exactly:

----- quoting joram ----- - with the bodmas rule do you calculate left to right or right to left? - when you have 8-4-4 which substraction do you do first the (4-4) or the (8-4) ----- end of quoting joram -----

a) 8-4-4 can be equal to 8 if we first do (4-4) b) 8-4-4 can be equal to 0 if we first do (8-4)

What I also ask is which left? My Left or Your Left.

Kudos to Joram for throwing in the whole toolbox in the works instead of only the spanner...

On 1/4/11, Haggai Nyang <haggai.nyang@gmail.com> wrote:

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Hmmm...mine's the 90th post and counting...seems we spend 8-4-4 learning stuff, the years afterwards are spent unlearning :)

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@Claire, ever heard of Dunning-Kruger <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect>effect? One skunker once pointed that out to you when you argued in this list that the number 666 is in the new constitution. Just saying.... On 4 January 2011 13:10, Claire Njoki <clairenjoki@gmail.com> wrote:

@paul

At what point do we decide to put the brackets?

I believe sospeter said that they are imaginary and that they just make it easier in grouping...

...therefore, would I be wrong if I just imagine that there are brackets there because I want to make the grouping easier?

Claire.

On 1/4/11, Paul Njoroge <njorogekamau@gmail.com> wrote:

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just keep in mind that both 4's are negative so there is no 4-4, its -4-4, plus there's no need for brackets here....

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Claire Njoki <clairenjoki@gmail.com> wrote:

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@joram...

My point exactly:

----- quoting joram ----- - with the bodmas rule do you calculate left to right or right to left? - when you have 8-4-4 which substraction do you do first the (4-4) or the (8-4) ----- end of quoting joram -----

a) 8-4-4 can be equal to 8 if we first do (4-4) b) 8-4-4 can be equal to 0 if we first do (8-4)

What I also ask is which left? My Left or Your Left.

Kudos to Joram for throwing in the whole toolbox in the works instead of only the spanner...

On 1/4/11, Haggai Nyang <haggai.nyang@gmail.com> wrote:

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Hmmm...mine's the 90th post and counting...seems we spend 8-4-4 learning stuff, the years afterwards are spent unlearning :)

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@Claire You have 2 batches of one thousand Kenya shilling notes. Each batch has 11 notes (Serially arranged). You get 32 more (one thousand Kenya shilling) notes and then give out 21 of them. You then get 3 batches of notes each containing 5 notes and 1 batch of notes with 5 one thousand shilling notes. How many shilling notes do you have? (Remember each note is 1000ksh, so if you lose one you lose a lot of mula) On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Claire Njoki <clairenjoki@gmail.com> wrote:

@net caster...

Obviously if I knew the answer I would not have asked the question

...well, it is because of comments like yours that people end up disliking mathematics. Some of us are not gifted in some areas, but it doesn't mean that we are ignorant.

...When I ask a question it is because I want to know...If you have the answer, then give me the answer, but don't throw in stuff from wikipedia that I doubt you even understand (i.e. this Dunning–Kruger $hit probably applies to you more than me)...

Thanks @paul for putting in the brackets above and I am now starting to understand the brackets thingy...

Claire.

On 1/4/11, Net Caster <madungu@gmail.com> wrote:

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@Claire, ever heard of Dunning-Kruger <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect>effect? One skunker once pointed that out to you when you argued in this list that the number 666 is in the new constitution. Just saying....

On 4 January 2011 13:10, Claire Njoki <clairenjoki@gmail.com> wrote:

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@paul

At what point do we decide to put the brackets?

I believe sospeter said that they are imaginary and that they just make it easier in grouping...

...therefore, would I be wrong if I just imagine that there are brackets there because I want to make the grouping easier?

Claire.

On 1/4/11, Paul Njoroge <njorogekamau@gmail.com> wrote:

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just keep in mind that both 4's are negative so there is no 4-4, its -4-4, plus there's no need for brackets here....

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Claire Njoki <clairenjoki@gmail.com> wrote:

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@joram...

My point exactly:

----- quoting joram ----- - with the bodmas rule do you calculate left to right or right to left? - when you have 8-4-4 which substraction do you do first the (4-4) or the (8-4) ----- end of quoting joram -----

a) 8-4-4 can be equal to 8 if we first do (4-4) b) 8-4-4 can be equal to 0 if we first do (8-4)

What I also ask is which left? My Left or Your Left.

Kudos to Joram for throwing in the whole toolbox in the works instead of only the spanner...

On 1/4/11, Haggai Nyang <haggai.nyang@gmail.com> wrote:

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Hmmm...mine's the 90th post and counting...seems we spend 8-4-4 learning stuff, the years afterwards are spent unlearning :)

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On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Frankline Chitwa <frank.chitwa@gmail.com>wrote:

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@Claire You have 2 batches of one thousand Kenya shilling notes. Each batch has 11 notes (Serially arranged). You get 32 more (one thousand Kenya shilling) notes and then give out 21 of them. You then get 3 batches of notes each containing 5 notes and 1 batch of notes with 5 one thousand shilling notes. How many shilling notes do you have? (Remember each note is 1000ksh, so if you lose one you lose a lot of mula)

This one she will get right, no doubt about it! :-)

Wacha tuone...

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@chris haha its works on my end too

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@chris - nice one.

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On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Chris Mwirigi <mwirigic@gmail.com> wrote:

more proof from mysql

mysql> select 11 * 2 + 32 - 21 + 5 * 3 + 5 * 1 as bodmass; +---------+ | bodmass | +---------+ | 53 | +---------+ 1 row in set (0.00 sec)

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if 40 chapo makers make 20 in 2 hrs then they make 10 in 1 hr. So 2 chapati cookers just need to hire 38 more and the chapos will be ready for lunch On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Claire Njoki <clairenjoki@gmail.com> wrote:

I will not answer your question until you first answer the following:

If 40 chapati makers can cook 20 chapatis in two hours, how many hours will it take two chapati makers to cook ten chapatis?

On 1/4/11, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:

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On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Frankline Chitwa <frank.chitwa@gmail.com>wrote:

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@Claire You have 2 batches of one thousand Kenya shilling notes. Each batch has

11

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notes (Serially arranged). You get 32 more (one thousand Kenya shilling) notes and then give out 21 of them. You then get 3 batches of notes each containing 5 notes and 1 batch of notes with 5 one thousand shilling notes. How many shilling notes do you have? (Remember each note is 1000ksh, so if you lose one you lose a lot of mula)

This one she will get right, no doubt about it! :-)

Wacha tuone...

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LOLl !! @ negative zero hah hah hah On 30 December 2010 20:31, Martin G. Kamau <gachunga@gmail.com> wrote:

@Collins I can see where you are coming from but 0 is a negative number (in this case), thus we re-arrange the numbers to have 1+1+(-0) = 2.

@ sospeter and other upcoming mathematicians I am just wondering, then why do we have brackets in the first place. Who determines that the brackets are there or not? If I put them, I get 13 If you don't put them you get 53 Therefore why were these brackets "invented". On 12/31/10, Thomas Kibui <thomas.kibui@gmail.com> wrote:

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@Claire Expand the following Expression: 8 - 4 - 4 In terms of what you do(counting money, KES Cents 8 00 4 00 -4 00 ___________ ___________ Now you can answer this one right? :-) Regards.

@conrad

Is 8-4-4 equal to 16 or is it zero?

I am starting to get a headache:-(

On 12/31/10, Claire Njoki <clairenjoki@gmail.com> wrote:

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@ sospeter and other upcoming mathematicians

I am just wondering, then why do we have brackets in the first place.

Who determines that the brackets are there or not?

If I put them, I get 13

If you don't put them you get 53

Therefore why were these brackets "invented".

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Thanks guys .. y'all made my New year even happier

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Back to the fundamentals. We often miss out on the instructions. I noticed that with the scam-show on telly, the expression displayed on the screen often has no co-relation with what the scam targets are required to do. In one case similar to what's being discussed here, the instruction was " Simply *ADD UP* all the numbers on display" -- no fancy theatrics. You know how much of a game changer that is!

Those male skunkers who have been emailing me, telling me that they can give me some "extra lessons" from basic maths to advanced levels, including but not limited to PYTHONgorASS theorem...should stop it!!!! I am a good church going girl... ...Shindwe shetani pepo mbaya! Claire. On 12/31/10, sospeter@elimu.co.ke <sospeter@elimu.co.ke> wrote:

Well @Tony

If that is how it was put *ADD UP*, then shame on Claire. 120 is the answer Hahaha.

Regards.

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I believe that the answer is 53 because: 11 x 2 + 32 - 21 + 5 x 3 + 5 x 1 = (11 * 2) + 32 - 21 + (5 * 3) + (5 * 1) = [22 + 32] - 21 + [15 + 5] // Multiplication has a higher order of operation than addition and subtraction - which has the least = 54 - 21 + 20 = 74 -21 // I've added 54 to 20 coz addition has a higher order of operation than subtraction = 53 On 31 December 2010 15:07, Claire Njoki <clairenjoki@gmail.com> wrote:

Those male skunkers who have been emailing me, telling me that they can give me some "extra lessons" from basic maths to advanced levels, including but not limited to PYTHONgorASS theorem...should stop it!!!!

I am a good church going girl...

...Shindwe shetani pepo mbaya!

Claire.

On 12/31/10, sospeter@elimu.co.ke <sospeter@elimu.co.ke> wrote:

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Well @Tony

If that is how it was put *ADD UP*, then shame on Claire. 120 is the answer Hahaha.

Regards.

...

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@Odhiambo. In church "extra lessons" are classified under the ten commandments i.e. No. 7. "Do not commit adultery." No. 10. "Do not covet your neighbor's wife" Claire. On 12/31/10, Simon Mbuthia <simon.mbuthia@gmail.com> wrote:

I believe that the answer is 53 because:

11 x 2 + 32 - 21 + 5 x 3 + 5 x 1

= (11 * 2) + 32 - 21 + (5 * 3) + (5 * 1) = [22 + 32] - 21 + [15 + 5] // Multiplication has a higher order of operation than addition and subtraction - which has the least = 54 - 21 + 20 = 74 -21 // I've added 54 to 20 coz addition has a higher order of operation than subtraction = 53

On 31 December 2010 15:07, Claire Njoki <clairenjoki@gmail.com> wrote:

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Those male skunkers who have been emailing me, telling me that they can give me some "extra lessons" from basic maths to advanced levels, including but not limited to PYTHONgorASS theorem...should stop it!!!!

I am a good church going girl...

...Shindwe shetani pepo mbaya!

Claire.

On 12/31/10, sospeter@elimu.co.ke <sospeter@elimu.co.ke> wrote:

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Well @Tony

If that is how it was put *ADD UP*, then shame on Claire. 120 is the answer Hahaha.

Regards.

...

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On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:

And those skunks who wrote to you were intent on teaching you against these two rule?? I thought they meant MATH, like basic MATH, advanced MATH and further MATH:-)

Wash; Maybe she needs to display the mail content to understand her tirade. It might mean the mailers want to teach her "maths" not Maths! Kenyans!

BTW, someone has just sent me the following joke, indicating that it does not matter if it is 13 or 53 or 120 or whatever: ---joke--- A businessman was interviewing job applications for the position of manager of a large division. He quickly devised a test for choosing the most suitable candidate. He simply asked each applicant this question, "What is two plus two?" The first interviewee was a journalist. His answer was, "Twenty-two". The second was a social worker. She said, "I don't know the answer but I'm very glad that we had the opportunity to discuss it." The third applicant was an engineer. He pulled out a slide rule and came up with an answer "somewhere between 3.999 and 4.001." Next came a Lawyer. He stated that "in the case of Kamau vs. The Treasury, two plus two was proven to be four." Finally, the businessman interviewed an accountant. When he asked him what two plus two was, the accountant got up from his chair, went over to the door, closed it, came back and sat down. Leaning across the desk, he said in a low voice, "How much do you want it to be?" He got the job. ---end of joke--- On 12/31/10, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com>wrote:

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On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:

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And those skunks who wrote to you were intent on teaching you against these two rule?? I thought they meant MATH, like basic MATH, advanced MATH and further MATH:-)

Wash;

Maybe she needs to display the mail content to understand her tirade. It might mean the mailers want to teach her "maths" not Maths! Kenyans!

She's a good church going lady, Peter. They are never capable of pulling such stunts. They simply pray for the fellows and bury the issue so don't expect it. In church, they are taught to forgive even those who "intend" to wrong them.

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I would like to withdraw support for my alleged BODMAS theory.I now fully understand and agree that the answer is 53 and not 13. Hmmm.....enyewe mathafu ni ngumu On 12/31/10, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:

heheheheheh @claire you made my day. You should tell those guys you only want pure math, mambo ya applied math saa hii wawachane!

I agree with sospeter, i wrongly inserted the brackets amd madi

=>(22+32) - (21+15+5) instead of

22 + 32 - 21 + 15 + 5, which according to the latest BODMAS (the one between 3.999 and 4.0001), should be 22+32+15+5 minus 21.

...

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Claire Njoki <clairenjoki@gmail.com> wrote:

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BTW, someone has just sent me the following joke, indicating that it does not matter if it is 13 or 53 or 120 or whatever:

---joke---

A businessman was interviewing job applications for the position of manager of a large division. He quickly devised a test for choosing the most suitable candidate. He simply asked each applicant this question, "What is two plus two?"

The first interviewee was a journalist. His answer was, "Twenty-two".

The second was a social worker. She said, "I don't know the answer but I'm very glad that we had the opportunity to discuss it."

The third applicant was an engineer. He pulled out a slide rule and came up with an answer "somewhere between 3.999 and 4.001."

Next came a Lawyer. He stated that "in the case of Kamau vs. The Treasury, two plus two was proven to be four."

Finally, the businessman interviewed an accountant. When he asked him what two plus two was, the accountant got up from his chair, went over to the door, closed it, came back and sat down. Leaning across the desk, he said in a low voice, "How much do you want it to be?" He got the job.

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On 12/31/10, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:

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On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com wrote:

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On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:

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And those skunks who wrote to you were intent on teaching you against these two rule?? I thought they meant MATH, like basic MATH, advanced MATH and further MATH:-)

Wash;

Maybe she needs to display the mail content to understand her tirade. It might mean the mailers want to teach her "maths" not Maths! Kenyans!

She's a good church going lady, Peter. They are never capable of pulling such stunts. They simply pray for the fellows and bury the issue so don't expect it. In church, they are taught to forgive even those who "intend" to wrong them.

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@Claire What? You don't remember your class 5 math? That structure means subtract everything. Now I think I should give you bottle tops. Class 1 - 2 math. ;) Regards.

@sospeter...

1. why has one of the 4s lost its negative status? 2. there is no negative money...

Claire.

On 12/31/10, sospeter@elimu.co.ke <sospeter@elimu.co.ke> wrote:

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@Claire

Expand the following Expression: 8 - 4 - 4

In terms of what you do(counting money, KES Cents 8 00 4 00 -4 00 ___________ ___________

Now you can answer this one right?

:-)

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@conrad

Is 8-4-4 equal to 16 or is it zero?

I am starting to get a headache:-(

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@ sospeter and other upcoming mathematicians

I am just wondering, then why do we have brackets in the first place.

Who determines that the brackets are there or not?

If I put them, I get 13

If you don't put them you get 53

Therefore why were these brackets "invented".

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@ Eric How can 54 - 21 + 1 be equal to 53 .. I don't think this is correct. It should be:

(22+32) -21 +(15+5) = 54 - 21 + 1 = 53 or (22+32)+(-21+15+5) = 54 + (-1) = 53

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@Collins was wrong at this point =>(22+32) - (21+15+5) Without the brackets as it was before it would be 22 + 32 - 21 + 15 + 5 Then Addition: 22 + 32 + 15 + 5 = 74 Then Subtraction: 74 - 21 = 53 . . . Ans = 53 Regards.

BODMAS : 11 x 2 + 32 - 21 + 5 x 3 + 5 x 1

since we have no brackets, or division, we go to multiplication: hence

(11X2) +32-21+(5X3)+(5X1)

=> 22 + 32 - 21 + 15 + 5 Then Addition

(22+32) - (21+15+5) => 54 - 41

=> 13.

My 2 Cnts.

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:

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Such a mathematical calculation does not require BODMAS, I was taught that in school, since there is not bracket. If done as it is, the answer should be 53. Therefore the 'winner' of that 160K, is just 'one of the few picked up' guys and declared them winners.

On 30/12/2010, Martin G. Kamau <gachunga@gmail.com> wrote:

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IMO, The link provided by @Erick is right... the answer should be 53; and @Brian the calculator did use BODMAS.

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Brian Rioba <rriobs@gmail.com> wrote:

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Should be 13.Erick your calculator appears to be doing Linear processing insread of following BODMAS

On 12/30/10, Erick Njenga <eriknjenga@gmail.com> wrote:

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Msema kweli<

http://www.google.co.ke/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=11+x+2+%2B+32+-+21...

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@gregory "U just add subtract add blah blah, whenever u see the appropriate sign!!!!!! " OK let me try that: 11 x 2 + 32 - 21 + 5 x 3 + 5 x 1 = ? Then: 22 + 32 - 21 + 15 + 5 = ? Then: 22 + 32 - 21 + 20 = ? Then here is where I get confused: is it: 54 - 1 = 53 or is it: 54 - 41 = 13 On 12/31/10, Gregory Okoth <gregory.okoth@gmail.com> wrote:

For all I know, BODMAS comes in when u have multiplication and division signs (in a complex equation), and its here that u r required to put brackets, for simplicity sake. When u reach the point where u have + and - operators between, u just apply simple arithmetic and logic. U just add subtract add blah blah, whenever u see the appropriate sign!!!!!!

Mul and division signs r binary operators, + and - are unary operators....if u don't hv the capacity to sink this in grey matter, don't bother trying any harder, coz that the way maths is!!! duhhhhhh!!!!!!! Where r the mathematicians?!!!

53 is the answer!! CASE CLOSED! Even a standard 8 pupil would do this in seconds, whatever happened to our maths.........!!!!!!!

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:30 AM, <sospeter@elimu.co.ke> wrote:

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@Collins was wrong at this point

=>(22+32) - (21+15+5)

Without the brackets as it was before it would be

22 + 32 - 21 + 15 + 5

Then Addition:

22 + 32 + 15 + 5 = 74

Then Subtraction:

74 - 21 = 53

. . . Ans = 53

Regards.

...

BODMAS : 11 x 2 + 32 - 21 + 5 x 3 + 5 x 1

since we have no brackets, or division, we go to multiplication: hence

(11X2) +32-21+(5X3)+(5X1)

=> 22 + 32 - 21 + 15 + 5 Then Addition

(22+32) - (21+15+5) => 54 - 41

=> 13.

My 2 Cnts.

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:

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Such a mathematical calculation does not require BODMAS, I was taught that in school, since there is not bracket. If done as it is, the answer should be 53. Therefore the 'winner' of that 160K, is just 'one of the few picked up' guys and declared them winners.

On 30/12/2010, Martin G. Kamau <gachunga@gmail.com> wrote:

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IMO, The link provided by @Erick is right... the answer should be 53; and @Brian the calculator did use BODMAS.

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Brian Rioba <rriobs@gmail.com> wrote:

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Should be 13.Erick your calculator appears to be doing Linear processing insread of following BODMAS

On 12/30/10, Erick Njenga <eriknjenga@gmail.com> wrote: > Msema > kweli<

http://www.google.co.ke/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=11+x+2+%2B+32+-+21...

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ok, I might be wrong in my explanations by the very meaning of my words, but for sure it applies logically....at the point where you only have + and - signs The placing of brackets at this point (22+32) - (21+15+5) is where they went wrong.....and its actually confusing if care is not taken [and here is the point where the-not-soooo-maths-savy skunks start thinking in a complex way and do magic!!] At this point, (22+32) - (21+15+5) they should actually have done this, if they really have to follow BODMAS rules and placing of braces... (22)+(32)+(-21)+(15)(+5) In fact, me thots.... their complexing thinking made them assume - sign in 22+32 - 21+15+5 was to separate the equation into 2 parts, so they got (22+32) - (21+15+5)!!! thithihihihihihi. My dad would pinch me so hard if he saw me do that!! On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:25 AM, <sospeter@elimu.co.ke> wrote:

@Gregory,

I disagree. BODMAS is used on all operators and not "when u have multiplication and division signs (in a complex equation)" as you put it.

BODMAS is just a system that helps us remember the order in which to deal with the operators.

But I agree with you on the answer.

...

operators between, u just apply simple arithmetic and logic. U just add subtract add blah blah, whenever u see the appropriate sign!!!!!!

Mul and division signs r binary operators, + and - are unary operators....if u don't hv the capacity to sink this in grey matter, don't bother trying any harder, coz that the way maths is!!! duhhhhhh!!!!!!! Where r the mathematicians?!!!

53 is the answer!! CASE CLOSED! Even a standard 8 pupil would do this in seconds, whatever happened to our maths.........!!!!!!!

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:30 AM, <sospeter@elimu.co.ke> wrote:

...

@Collins was wrong at this point

=>(22+32) - (21+15+5)

Without the brackets as it was before it would be

22 + 32 - 21 + 15 + 5

Then Addition:

22 + 32 + 15 + 5 = 74

Then Subtraction:

74 - 21 = 53

. . . Ans = 53

Regards.

...

BODMAS : 11 x 2 + 32 - 21 + 5 x 3 + 5 x 1

since we have no brackets, or division, we go to multiplication: hence

(11X2) +32-21+(5X3)+(5X1)

=> 22 + 32 - 21 + 15 + 5 Then Addition

(22+32) - (21+15+5) => 54 - 41

=> 13.

My 2 Cnts.

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:

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Such a mathematical calculation does not require BODMAS, I was taught that in school, since there is not bracket. If done as it is, the answer should be 53. Therefore the 'winner' of that 160K, is just 'one of the few picked up' guys and declared them winners.

On 30/12/2010, Martin G. Kamau <gachunga@gmail.com> wrote:

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IMO, The link provided by @Erick is right... the answer should be 53; and @Brian the calculator did use BODMAS.

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Brian Rioba <rriobs@gmail.com> wrote:

> Should be 13.Erick your calculator appears to be doing Linear > processing insread of following BODMAS > > On 12/30/10, Erick Njenga <eriknjenga@gmail.com> wrote: > > Msema > > kweli< >

http://www.google.co.ke/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=11+x+2+%2B+32+-+21...

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For all I know, BODMAS comes in when u have multiplication and division signs (in a complex equation), and its here that u r required to put brackets, for simplicity sake. When u reach the point where u have + and

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hehehe, ati u learnt by force!! LOL On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:42 AM, <sospeter@elimu.co.ke> wrote:

The whole confusion (magic!) started when they inserted brackets. (22+32) - (21+15+5).

Enyewe my dad would slap me hard too! :-)

I learnt Math by force. Not until later when I presented my dad with a calculus problem. Hihihi.

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(21+15+5)!!! thithihihihihihi. My dad would pinch me so hard if he saw me do that!!

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:25 AM, <sospeter@elimu.co.ke> wrote:

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@Gregory,

I disagree. BODMAS is used on all operators and not "when u have multiplication and division signs (in a complex equation)" as you put it.

BODMAS is just a system that helps us remember the order in which to deal with the operators.

But I agree with you on the answer.

...

operators between, u just apply simple arithmetic and logic. U just add subtract add blah blah, whenever u see the appropriate sign!!!!!!

Mul and division signs r binary operators, + and - are unary operators....if u don't hv the capacity to sink this in grey matter, don't bother trying any harder, coz that the way maths is!!! duhhhhhh!!!!!!! Where r the mathematicians?!!!

53 is the answer!! CASE CLOSED! Even a standard 8 pupil would do this in seconds, whatever happened to our maths.........!!!!!!!

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:30 AM, <sospeter@elimu.co.ke> wrote:

...

@Collins was wrong at this point

=>(22+32) - (21+15+5)

Without the brackets as it was before it would be

22 + 32 - 21 + 15 + 5

Then Addition:

22 + 32 + 15 + 5 = 74

Then Subtraction:

74 - 21 = 53

. . . Ans = 53

Regards.

...

BODMAS : 11 x 2 + 32 - 21 + 5 x 3 + 5 x 1

since we have no brackets, or division, we go to multiplication: hence

(11X2) +32-21+(5X3)+(5X1)

=> 22 + 32 - 21 + 15 + 5 Then Addition

(22+32) - (21+15+5) => 54 - 41

=> 13.

My 2 Cnts.

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:

> Such a mathematical calculation does not require BODMAS, I was taught > that in school, since there is not bracket. > If done as it is, the answer should be 53. > Therefore the 'winner' of that 160K, is just 'one of the few picked > up' guys and declared them winners. > > > > On 30/12/2010, Martin G. Kamau <gachunga@gmail.com> wrote: > > IMO, The link provided by @Erick is right... the answer should be 53; > and > > @Brian the calculator did use BODMAS. > > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Brian Rioba <rriobs@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Should be 13.Erick your calculator appears to be doing Linear > >> processing insread of following BODMAS > >> > >> On 12/30/10, Erick Njenga <eriknjenga@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > Msema > >> > kweli< > >> >

...

For all I know, BODMAS comes in when u have multiplication and division signs (in a complex equation), and its here that u r required to put brackets, for simplicity sake. When u reach the point where u have + and

http://www.google.co.ke/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=11+x+2+%2B+32+-+21...

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ok, I might be wrong in my explanations by the very meaning of my words, but for sure it applies logically....at the point where you only have + and - signs

The placing of brackets at this point (22+32) - (21+15+5) is where they went wrong.....and its actually confusing if care is not taken [and here is the point where the-not-soooo-maths-savy skunks start thinking in a complex way and do magic!!]

At this point, (22+32) - (21+15+5) they should actually have done this, if they really have to follow BODMAS rules and placing of braces...

(22)+(32)+(-21)+(15)(+5)

In fact, me thots.... their complexing thinking made them assume - sign in 22+32 - 21+15+5 was to separate the equation into 2 parts, so they got (22+32)

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Yeah, I also remember the tables at the back of Maths exercise books. U had to practically cram n recite them. My hardest was 9x7=63 :-) On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:55 AM, <sospeter@elimu.co.ke> wrote:

By force I tell you. Class 4 was a bad year for me, with the X Table and all. I was canned mpaka zikaingia kwa finger tips.

:-) Regards.

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hehehe, ati u learnt by force!! LOL

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:42 AM, <sospeter@elimu.co.ke> wrote:

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The whole confusion (magic!) started when they inserted brackets. (22+32) - (21+15+5).

Enyewe my dad would slap me hard too! :-)

I learnt Math by force. Not until later when I presented my dad with a calculus problem. Hihihi.

...

...

and -

...

operators between, u just apply simple arithmetic and logic. U just add subtract add blah blah, whenever u see the appropriate sign!!!!!!

Mul and division signs r binary operators, + and - are unary operators....if u don't hv the capacity to sink this in grey matter, don't bother trying any harder, coz that the way maths is!!! duhhhhhh!!!!!!! Where r the mathematicians?!!!

53 is the answer!! CASE CLOSED! Even a standard 8 pupil would do this in seconds, whatever happened to our maths.........!!!!!!!

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:30 AM, <sospeter@elimu.co.ke> wrote:

> @Collins was wrong at this point > > =>(22+32) - (21+15+5) > > Without the brackets as it was before it would be > > 22 + 32 - 21 + 15 + 5 > > Then Addition: > > 22 + 32 + 15 + 5 = 74 > > Then Subtraction: > > 74 - 21 = 53 > > . > . . Ans = 53 > > Regards. > > > > > BODMAS : > > 11 x 2 + 32 - 21 + 5 x 3 + 5 x 1 > > > > since we have no brackets, or division, we go to multiplication: hence > > > > (11X2) +32-21+(5X3)+(5X1) > > > > => 22 + 32 - 21 + 15 + 5 > > Then Addition > > > > (22+32) - (21+15+5) > > => 54 - 41 > > > > => 13. > > > > My 2 Cnts. > > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau > > <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote: > > > >> Such a mathematical calculation does not require BODMAS, I was taught > >> that in school, since there is not bracket. > >> If done as it is, the answer should be 53. > >> Therefore the 'winner' of that 160K, is just 'one of the few picked > >> up' guys and declared them winners. > >> > >> > >> > >> On 30/12/2010, Martin G. Kamau <gachunga@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > IMO, The link provided by @Erick is right... the answer should be > 53; > >> and > >> > @Brian the calculator did use BODMAS. > >> > > >> > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Brian Rioba <rriobs@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> Should be 13.Erick your calculator appears to be doing Linear > >> >> processing insread of following BODMAS > >> >> > >> >> On 12/30/10, Erick Njenga <eriknjenga@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> > Msema > >> >> > kweli< > >> >> > >> >

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(21+15+5)!!! thithihihihihihi. My dad would pinch me so hard if he saw me do that!!

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:25 AM, <sospeter@elimu.co.ke> wrote:

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@Gregory,

I disagree. BODMAS is used on all operators and not "when u have multiplication and division signs (in a complex equation)" as you put it.

BODMAS is just a system that helps us remember the order in which to deal with the operators.

But I agree with you on the answer.

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For all I know, BODMAS comes in when u have multiplication and division signs (in a complex equation), and its here that u r required to put brackets, for simplicity sake. When u reach the point where u have

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ok, I might be wrong in my explanations by the very meaning of my words, but for sure it applies logically....at the point where you only have + and - signs

The placing of brackets at this point (22+32) - (21+15+5) is where they went wrong.....and its actually confusing if care is not taken [and here is the point where the-not-soooo-maths-savy skunks start thinking in a complex way and do magic!!]

At this point, (22+32) - (21+15+5) they should actually have done this, if they really have to follow BODMAS rules and placing of braces...

(22)+(32)+(-21)+(15)(+5)

In fact, me thots.... their complexing thinking made them assume - sign in 22+32 - 21+15+5 was to separate the equation into 2 parts, so they got (22+32)

http://www.google.co.ke/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=11+x+2+%2B+32+-+21...

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That year was bad not because we had to cram @school, but also @home. I would solve problems while in the car going home for lunch, @4pm while in the car, heck also in the morning while going to school. you can imagine the fear I was in while at home. I must have been on detention or something. Regards.

Yeah, I also remember the tables at the back of Maths exercise books. U had to practically cram n recite them. My hardest was 9x7=63

:-)

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:55 AM, <sospeter@elimu.co.ke> wrote:

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By force I tell you. Class 4 was a bad year for me, with the X Table and all. I was canned mpaka zikaingia kwa finger tips.

:-) Regards.

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hehehe, ati u learnt by force!! LOL

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:42 AM, <sospeter@elimu.co.ke> wrote:

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The whole confusion (magic!) started when they inserted brackets. (22+32) - (21+15+5).

Enyewe my dad would slap me hard too! :-)

I learnt Math by force. Not until later when I presented my dad with a calculus problem. Hihihi.

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and - > operators between, u just apply simple arithmetic and logic. U just add > subtract add blah blah, whenever u see the appropriate sign!!!!!! > > Mul and division signs r binary operators, + and - are unary > operators....if > u don't hv the capacity to sink this in grey matter, don't bother trying > any > harder, coz that the way maths is!!! duhhhhhh!!!!!!! Where r the > mathematicians?!!! > > 53 is the answer!! CASE CLOSED! Even a standard 8 pupil would do this in > seconds, whatever happened to our maths.........!!!!!!! > > > On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:30 AM, <sospeter@elimu.co.ke> wrote: > >> @Collins was wrong at this point >> >> =>(22+32) - (21+15+5) >> >> Without the brackets as it was before it would be >> >> 22 + 32 - 21 + 15 + 5 >> >> Then Addition: >> >> 22 + 32 + 15 + 5 = 74 >> >> Then Subtraction: >> >> 74 - 21 = 53 >> >> . >> . . Ans = 53 >> >> Regards. >> >> >> >> > BODMAS : >> > 11 x 2 + 32 - 21 + 5 x 3 + 5 x 1 >> > >> > since we have no brackets, or division, we go to multiplication: hence >> > >> > (11X2) +32-21+(5X3)+(5X1) >> > >> > => 22 + 32 - 21 + 15 + 5 >> > Then Addition >> > >> > (22+32) - (21+15+5) >> > => 54 - 41 >> > >> > => 13. >> > >> > My 2 Cnts. >> > >> > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau >> > <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote: >> > >> >> Such a mathematical calculation does not require BODMAS, I was taught >> >> that in school, since there is not bracket. >> >> If done as it is, the answer should be 53. >> >> Therefore the 'winner' of that 160K, is just 'one of the few picked >> >> up' guys and declared them winners. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 30/12/2010, Martin G. Kamau <gachunga@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > IMO, The link provided by @Erick is right... the answer should be >> 53; >> >> and >> >> > @Brian the calculator did use BODMAS. >> >> > >> >> > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Brian Rioba <rriobs@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Should be 13.Erick your calculator appears to be doing Linear >> >> >> processing insread of following BODMAS >> >> >> >> >> >> On 12/30/10, Erick Njenga <eriknjenga@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> > Msema >> >> >> > kweli< >> >> >> >> >> >>

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(21+15+5)!!! thithihihihihihi. My dad would pinch me so hard if he saw me do that!!

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:25 AM, <sospeter@elimu.co.ke> wrote:

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@Gregory,

I disagree. BODMAS is used on all operators and not "when u have multiplication and division signs (in a complex equation)" as you put it.

BODMAS is just a system that helps us remember the order in which to deal with the operators.

But I agree with you on the answer.

> For all I know, BODMAS comes in when u have multiplication and division > signs (in a complex equation), and its here that u r required to put > brackets, for simplicity sake. When u reach the point where u have

...

ok, I might be wrong in my explanations by the very meaning of my words, but for sure it applies logically....at the point where you only have + and - signs

The placing of brackets at this point (22+32) - (21+15+5) is where they went wrong.....and its actually confusing if care is not taken [and here is the point where the-not-soooo-maths-savy skunks start thinking in a complex way and do magic!!]

At this point, (22+32) - (21+15+5) they should actually have done this, if they really have to follow BODMAS rules and placing of braces...

(22)+(32)+(-21)+(15)(+5)

In fact, me thots.... their complexing thinking made them assume - sign in 22+32 - 21+15+5 was to separate the equation into 2 parts, so they got (22+32)

http://www.google.co.ke/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=11+x+2+%2B+32+-+21...

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>> >> >> > >> >> >> > -- >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Thanks and Regards, >> >> >> > Erick Njenga Nyachwaya, >> >> >> > M: +254-725-008-790 >> >> >> > >> >> >> > <http://www.facebook.com/ErickNjenga> < >> >> >> http://www.twitter.com/ErickNjenga> >> >> >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Skunkworks mailing list >> >> >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> >> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> >> >> ------------ >> >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> >> >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> >> >> ------------ >> >> >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Regards, >> >> > Martin Kamau >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> *Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau* >> >> >> >> ***************************************************** >> >> *Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze >> all >> >> the >> >> same way to the side of a hill!* >> >> >> >> AND >> >> >> >> *It is better to die in dignity than in the ignominy of ambiguous >> >> generosity! * >> >> >> >> http://smiley2.wordpress.com >> >> http://mburu.sikika.co.ke >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Skunkworks mailing list >> >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> >> ------------ >> >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Skunkworks mailing list >> > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> > ------------ >> > Skunkworks Rules >> > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> > ------------ >> > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > Regards, > Greg > -------- > Life is not a rehearsal, you only live once! > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke

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