C# and ASP.NET group/list ( formal/informal? ) : Final call?
We are almost into 3 weeks now since the first request, so far there's no progress or updates. So I'll not ask this question again as it seems to me as pretty immature to be asking such things. Come January, I'll proceed with a simple list on Google. We have to start somewhere... And thank you very much for your lack of communication. This had been noted. Rgds.
@Aki I support you why is this taking long google groups, blogspot, facebookgroups or a we being too arrogant, no we are saying we can start On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 10:10 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
We are almost into 3 weeks now since the first request, so far there's no progress or updates. So I'll not ask this question again as it seems to me as pretty immature to be asking such things. Come January, I'll proceed with a simple list on Google. We have to start somewhere...
And thank you very much for your lack of communication. This had been noted.
Rgds.
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Create one and lets start tapping
I find your rudeness and sense of entitlement amusing. Yes, I can confirm what you have just said is pretty immature. If you think a user group can be created overnight I am willing to meet you this very day wherever you are at your convenience to hand over the reigns of the initiative. You can then - look for sponsors - look for training materials - look for speakers - look for hosting that will have website, forums and source controlled hosting for member projects - negotiate with vendors for tools, APIs and devices, access to app stores - look for physical meeting venues for regular meetings - look for community projects At your own cost. Since we are not moving fast enough for you your lordship, email me your number and address I come over today and hand over the reigns, since clearly you work in mysterious ways. Let's see if you are more than all talk On Tuesday, December 6, 2011, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
We are almost into 3 weeks now since the first request, so far there's no progress or updates. So I'll not ask this question again as it seems to me as pretty immature to be asking such things. Come January, I'll proceed with a simple list on Google. We have to start somewhere...
And thank you very much for your lack of communication. This had been noted.
Rgds.
@Rad! That reaction is uncalled for, nobody nobody asked you to create such a complex thing neither did you explain the scope to which you were intent of, so did you expect us being angles to read you plans as you blacked out from updating us. In the same line you need to persevere if you are a manager or a leader such complain is one of the awaking call that something is not right out of what you wanted to do. You asked for email subscribers how did you do that when you understood that should be last stage. so if this is a forum why a you dieing alone to own it and a do it yourself attitude, is there something you not telling us. You mentioned SPONSORS have you tried to seek in SKUNK and they lacked hey you , MATERIAL, SPEAKERS all that you think we wont get you this list let me hung it up there On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I find your rudeness and sense of entitlement amusing.
Yes, I can confirm what you have just said is pretty immature.
If you think a user group can be created overnight I am willing to meet you this very day wherever you are at your convenience to hand over the reigns of the initiative.
You can then
- look for sponsors - look for training materials - look for speakers - look for hosting that will have website, forums and source controlled hosting for member projects - negotiate with vendors for tools, APIs and devices, access to app stores - look for physical meeting venues for regular meetings - look for community projects
At your own cost.
Since we are not moving fast enough for you your lordship, email me your number and address I come over today and hand over the reigns, since clearly you work in mysterious ways. Let's see if you are more than all talk
On Tuesday, December 6, 2011, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
We are almost into 3 weeks now since the first request, so far there's no progress or updates. So I'll not ask this question again as it seems to me as pretty immature to be asking such things. Come January, I'll proceed with a simple list on Google. We have to start somewhere...
And thank you very much for your lack of communication. This had been noted.
Rgds.
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Well, there is the plan. If anyone wants to pitch in, my contacts are there. My rationale is I don't think a mailing list alone is enough in light of excellent resources already existing like StackOverflow. On Wednesday, December 7, 2011, Mickey Mickey <michaelakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
@Rad! That reaction is uncalled for, nobody nobody asked you to create such a complex thing neither did you explain the scope to which you were intent of, so did you expect us being angles to read you plans as you blacked out from updating us. In the same line you need to persevere if you are a manager or a leader such complain is one of the awaking call that something is not right out of what you wanted to do. You asked for email subscribers how did you do that when you understood that should be last stage. so if this is a forum why a you dieing alone to own it and a do it yourself attitude, is there something you not telling us. You mentioned SPONSORS have you tried to seek in SKUNK and they lacked hey you , MATERIAL, SPEAKERS all that you think we wont get you this list let me hung it up there
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I find your rudeness and sense of entitlement amusing.
Yes, I can confirm what you have just said is pretty immature.
If you think a user group can be created overnight I am willing to meet
you this very day wherever you are at your convenience to hand over the reigns of the initiative.
You can then
- look for sponsors - look for training materials - look for speakers - look for hosting that will have website, forums and source controlled
hosting for member projects
- negotiate with vendors for tools, APIs and devices, access to app stores - look for physical meeting venues for regular meetings - look for community projects
At your own cost.
Since we are not moving fast enough for you your lordship, email me your number and address I come over today and hand over the reigns, since clearly you work in mysterious ways. Let's see if you are more than all talk
On Tuesday, December 6, 2011, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
We are almost into 3 weeks now since the first request, so far there's no progress or updates. So I'll not ask this question again as it seems to me as pretty immature to be asking such things. Come January, I'll proceed with a simple list on Google. We have to start somewhere...
And thank you very much for your lack of communication. This had been noted.
Rgds.
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@Rad, then it is agreed that we are not on the same wavelength.If you feel stackOverflow is a good resource, then let us not even waste any more time discussing this thread. To me it then means we should have gone ahead and formed the google groups mailing list, and you will be very welcome to join if you so wish. BTW, it may interest you, the only reason i held back was to ensure that there was no dis-integration of the group/list which would defeat the online community spirit as having too many lists/groups of the same defeats a sense of purpose. My view above and I commit to get the google mailing list operational in January. Rgds. :-) On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, there is the plan. If anyone wants to pitch in, my contacts are there.
My rationale is I don't think a mailing list alone is enough in light of excellent resources already existing like StackOverflow.
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Good morning @Rad. In my original proposal thread some weeks ago, I wrote about a formation of an online mailing list/group. It is you who replied to my posting that there was interest in forming such and that such a process was in progress. I also offered you assistance in case you were tied up etc but I've never heard back from you on the matter. And I think you are complicating the issue or we are not on the same wavelength. In my view, the mailing list is the simplest to start off with and we should build from there as programmers. You it seems are setting up a whole gig around this simple idea, it could take many months to get off the ground. Your idea is very strong and has an excellent focus but not in the correct time era. I find you reply quite amusing and am literally laughing but will reserve my comments. You don't have to commit to anything or take up such a huge burden of getting the group/list started off. So can we scale back to starting off from a simple mailing list on google groups for now, re-evaluate in 12 months and see how your vision of the group/list fits then? You will be a significant asset to the list, given your experience and knowledge in the sector. Your thots. Rgds :-) .
+1 am for that On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 9:14 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Good morning @Rad. In my original proposal thread some weeks ago, I wrote about a formation of an online mailing list/group. It is you who replied to my posting that there was interest in forming such and that such a process was in progress. I also offered you assistance in case you were tied up etc but I've never heard back from you on the matter.
And I think you are complicating the issue or we are not on the same wavelength. In my view, the mailing list is the simplest to start off with and we should build from there as programmers. You it seems are setting up a whole gig around this simple idea, it could take many months to get off the ground. Your idea is very strong and has an excellent focus but not in the correct time era.
I find you reply quite amusing and am literally laughing but will reserve my comments. You don't have to commit to anything or take up such a huge burden of getting the group/list started off.
So can we scale back to starting off from a simple mailing list on google groups for now, re-evaluate in 12 months and see how your vision of the group/list fits then? You will be a significant asset to the list, given your experience and knowledge in the sector.
Your thots.
Rgds :-)
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I disagree. I think a mailing list alone is not thinking big enough. But again everyone is entitled to their opinion. I am quite satisfied with the progress made with the volunteers i have so far. Even more are welcome. We expect to hit the ground running by January 1st On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 9:14 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Good morning @Rad. In my original proposal thread some weeks ago, I wrote about a formation of an online mailing list/group. It is you who replied to my posting that there was interest in forming such and that such a process was in progress. I also offered you assistance in case you were tied up etc but I've never heard back from you on the matter.
And I think you are complicating the issue or we are not on the same wavelength. In my view, the mailing list is the simplest to start off with and we should build from there as programmers. You it seems are setting up a whole gig around this simple idea, it could take many months to get off the ground. Your idea is very strong and has an excellent focus but not in the correct time era.
I find you reply quite amusing and am literally laughing but will reserve my comments. You don't have to commit to anything or take up such a huge burden of getting the group/list started off.
So can we scale back to starting off from a simple mailing list on google groups for now, re-evaluate in 12 months and see how your vision of the group/list fits then? You will be a significant asset to the list, given your experience and knowledge in the sector.
Your thots.
Rgds :-)
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@Rad, whether you disagree or not, this is not my issue. I want to avoid the scenario of "me, me, me" and rather have a community focus group/list that I can participate in which has a sense of purpose and focus. That is why, and I repeat this again, I avoided forming any lists/groups that become like splinter groups. I'm still very keen if you are going for the online mailing list/group that can accomodate some of us. Together we can do much, including providing not only mental but also insiprational support. This I believe is the key to what is holding us back from doing much more. So can we do it? Can we create a mailing list for our group that wil aslo form part of your focus group? Here's an inspiration for you creating and sustaining an active mailing list/group , from the old school : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9XEGBrA99E Rgds. On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I disagree.
I think a mailing list alone is not thinking big enough.
But again everyone is entitled to their opinion.
I am quite satisfied with the progress made with the volunteers i have so far. Even more are welcome.
We expect to hit the ground running by January 1st
I can bet that that mailing list will be mostly dormant...
@Aki, The fact is that, while you'll get some "me too"s who want to be part of the train, they don't have the enthusiam and impetus that you have. Most of those "me too"s really are more faceless than they already are. They mostly want to be bystanders. My solution: Do your think and forget about anyone else. On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 10:56, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello @Dennis, then what would be your solution?
Rgds.
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
I can bet that that mailing list will be mostly dormant...
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What will the list achieve that Skinkworks cannot achieve? How about you start C# threads here to a point that we feel they need their own list, and as pointed out, Is't stackoverflow.com better, or do we need "something Kenyan"
@Wash, asante sana. In these times it is so easy to use the technology to create almost anything but it is very difficult to maintain say e.g tech community focus. But you are very right, there will be a time for debate and a time for action. We will have to start somewhere. :-) @Dennis, imo, stackoverflow cannot provide me with a single line of inspiration or motivation to write code. If am looking for answers to a problem, then I might as well google but it is very important that we also create our own knowledgebase with members who have covered the issues and have a deeper understanding too. This itself provides a better understanding. There are so many groups out there, all around tech issues, but they cannot fulfill the needs of having a very active and focussed local members or groups. Rgds.
Just to dig in even though I detest everything asp & C#, maybe @Dennis is very right, about discussing your stuff here as you have always done (so u have a mailing list) and @Rad! goes ahead with his plan - Jan 1st isnt far, just to cool things down especially seeing that you will all be collaborating together :-) ./ok3ch On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:19 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wash, asante sana. In these times it is so easy to use the technology to create almost anything but it is very difficult to maintain say e.g tech community focus. But you are very right, there will be a time for debate and a time for action. We will have to start somewhere. :-)
@Dennis, imo, stackoverflow cannot provide me with a single line of inspiration or motivation to write code. If am looking for answers to a problem, then I might as well google but it is very important that we also create our own knowledgebase with members who have covered the issues and have a deeper understanding too. This itself provides a better understanding. There are so many groups out there, all around tech issues, but they cannot fulfill the needs of having a very active and focussed local members or groups.
Rgds.
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Hello @Okech, I like the passion you have i.e you detest everything asp & c#. Trust me, the feeling is strongly mutual on free-code and the rest of reverse engineerings that have taken place. IMO, there are things a focus group must do as it grows: competition drives innovation. It is very difficult to maintain a posting on skunkslist which may offend others, yet the bottomline will spur that competitiveness. And we need it, if we are to start pushing for newer levels of doing things. It is really difficult to engage in discussion when there are so many factors involved and much easier when there is a common ground. I'd love to post C# stuff here, and I did but the threads never went anywhere. :-) Rgds. On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Just to dig in even though I detest everything asp & C#, maybe @Dennis is very right, about discussing your stuff here as you have always done (so u have a mailing list) and @Rad! goes ahead with his plan - Jan 1st isnt far, just to cool things down especially seeing that you will all be collaborating together :-)
./ok3ch
@Aki, yes, I hate it, but will read what you post since I may get an idea to input somewhere else coming from your discussions :-) A focus group is great, and I will be one of those who wont join it since I bring nothing to the table - All I hear everyone trying to say is that you guyz need to start small while having the bigger picture. I never mind reading asp & C# related stuff on this list, but I just wont add value, thats my take. And people, never underestimate the power of coming together and you dont want to ruin the first steps by appearing to be pulling apart ./Ok3ch On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:50 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello @Okech,
I like the passion you have i.e you detest everything asp & c#. Trust me, the feeling is strongly mutual on free-code and the rest of reverse engineerings that have taken place. IMO, there are things a focus group must do as it grows: competition drives innovation. It is very difficult to maintain a posting on skunkslist which may offend others, yet the bottomline will spur that competitiveness. And we need it, if we are to start pushing for newer levels of doing things. It is really difficult to engage in discussion when there are so many factors involved and much easier when there is a common ground.
I'd love to post C# stuff here, and I did but the threads never went anywhere. :-)
Rgds.
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Just to dig in even though I detest everything asp & C#, maybe @Dennis is very right, about discussing your stuff here as you have always done (so u have a mailing list) and @Rad! goes ahead with his plan - Jan 1st isnt far, just to cool things down especially seeing that you will all be collaborating together :-)
./ok3ch
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@Aki, yes, I hate it, but will read what you post since I may get an idea to input somewhere else coming from your discussions :-) A focus group is great, and I will be one of those who wont join it since I bring nothing to the table - All I hear everyone trying to say is that you guyz need to start small while having the bigger picture. I never mind reading asp & C# related stuff on this list, but I just wont add value, thats my take. And people, never underestimate the power of coming together and you dont want to ruin the first steps by appearing to be pulling apart ./Ok3ch On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:50 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello @Okech,
I like the passion you have i.e you detest everything asp & c#. Trust me, the feeling is strongly mutual on free-code and the rest of reverse engineerings that have taken place. IMO, there are things a focus group must do as it grows: competition drives innovation. It is very difficult to maintain a posting on skunkslist which may offend others, yet the bottomline will spur that competitiveness. And we need it, if we are to start pushing for newer levels of doing things. It is really difficult to engage in discussion when there are so many factors involved and much easier when there is a common ground.
I'd love to post C# stuff here, and I did but the threads never went anywhere. :-)
Rgds.
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Just to dig in even though I detest everything asp & C#, maybe @Dennis is very right, about discussing your stuff here as you have always done (so u have a mailing list) and @Rad! goes ahead with his plan - Jan 1st isnt far, just to cool things down especially seeing that you will all be collaborating together :-)
./ok3ch
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There are a lot of good points from all sides on this issue. Though I like C# I am not as enthusiastic about it compared to other languages and I am sure there are many who feel the same. Stackoverflow has its place and Skunkworks has its place. You cant hold lengthy discussions on stackoverflow (it will be moved to the WIki and you will get down voted. etc etc). Stackoverflow is meant for simple or complex questions with a definite answer. Mailling lists do what stackover flow cannot do. IMHO I think what @Aki means by a new mailling list is not just about asking questions. A one off question is fine for Skunkworks but discussing a project from start to end with examples proof of concepts defences etc does not suite this mailling list. Thats coz this list is quite generalized. In fact if I am not wrong there is more OT stuff discussed here than non OT stuff. That why personally I am also on more targeted mailling lists where deeper coding issues can be discussed at length and thats the same reason I spend almost all my time online connected to IRC Steve ----- Original Message ----- | From: "aki" <aki275@gmail.com> | To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> | Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 11:50:09 AM | Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] C# and ASP.NET group/list ( | formal/informal? ) : Final call? | Hello @Okech, | I like the passion you have i.e you detest everything asp & c#. Trust | me, the feeling is strongly mutual on free-code and the rest of | reverse engineerings that have taken place. IMO, there are things a | focus group must do as it grows: competition drives innovation. It | is very difficult to maintain a posting on skunkslist which may | offend others, yet the bottomline will spur that competitiveness. | And we need it, if we are to start pushing for newer levels of doing | things. It is really difficult to engage in discussion when there | are so many factors involved and much easier when there is a common | ground. | I'd love to post C# stuff here, and I did but the threads never went | anywhere. :-) | Rgds. | On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Okechukwu < okechukwu@gmail.com > | wrote: | | Just to dig in even though I detest everything asp & C#, maybe | | @Dennis | | | is very right, about discussing your stuff here as you have always | | | done (so u have a mailing list) and @Rad! goes ahead with his plan | | - | | | Jan 1st isnt far, just to cool things down especially seeing that | | you | | | will all be collaborating together :-) | | | ../ok3ch | | _______________________________________________ | Skunkworks mailing list | Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke | ------------ | List info, subscribe/unsubscribe | http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks | ------------ | Skunkworks Rules | http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 | ------------ | Other services @ http://my.co.ke
[?]I have always used this below and when I saw that Idea I felt it will be health to have one very local just too close but like I see we got some techie parliament in there each with opinion but no one doing. Well I am like I think Skunk list will still serve the purpose, .............. [?]don look at me like that my opinion of course On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Just to dig in even though I detest everything asp & C#, maybe @Dennis is very right, about discussing your stuff here as you have always done (so u have a mailing list) and @Rad! goes ahead with his plan - Jan 1st isnt far, just to cool things down especially seeing that you will all be collaborating together :-)
./ok3ch
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:19 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wash, asante sana. In these times it is so easy to use the technology to create almost anything but it is very difficult to maintain say e.g tech community focus. But you are very right, there will be a time for debate and a time for action. We will have to start somewhere. :-)
@Dennis, imo, stackoverflow cannot provide me with a single line of inspiration or motivation to write code. If am looking for answers to a problem, then I might as well google but it is very important that we also create our own knowledgebase with members who have covered the issues and have a deeper understanding too. This itself provides a better understanding. There are so many groups out there, all around tech issues, but they cannot fulfill the needs of having a very active and focussed local members or groups.
Rgds.
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[?]I have always used this below and when I saw that Idea I felt it will be health to have one very local just too close but like I see we got some techie parliament in there each with opinion but no one doing. Well I am like I think Skunk list will still serve the purpose, .............. [?]don look at me like that my opinion of course www.*c-sharpcorner*.com/
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Just to dig in even though I detest everything asp & C#, maybe @Dennis is very right, about discussing your stuff here as you have always done (so u have a mailing list) and @Rad! goes ahead with his plan - Jan 1st isnt far, just to cool things down especially seeing that you will all be collaborating together :-)
./ok3ch
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:19 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wash, asante sana. In these times it is so easy to use the technology to create almost anything but it is very difficult to maintain say e.g tech community focus. But you are very right, there will be a time for debate and a time for action. We will have to start somewhere. :-)
@Dennis, imo, stackoverflow cannot provide me with a single line of inspiration or motivation to write code. If am looking for answers to a problem, then I might as well google but it is very important that we also create our own knowledgebase with members who have covered the issues and have a deeper understanding too. This itself provides a better understanding. There are so many groups out there, all around tech issues, but they cannot fulfill the needs of having a very active and focussed local members or groups.
Rgds.
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@Okech, thnks for the input. :-) @Mickey, thnks much. I'm not sure what you mean, please clarify. Thnks. :-) On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Mickey Mickey <michaelakunga@gmail.com>wrote:
[?]I have always used this below and when I saw that Idea I felt it will be health to have one very local just too close but like I see we got some techie parliament in there each with opinion but no one doing. Well I am like I think Skunk list will still serve the purpose, .............. [?]don look at me like that my opinion of course
@Aki simply meant if people felt that you idea of having this thing started same as I would supported and if Rad feels we are overstepping his dream or mandate wherever that is, then we would rest and pass threads via Skunk listing, I guess we all behave like ordinary Kenyan and we are anywhere just like our parliamentarian, we raising so much than we can do. Somebody picked an idea of what you were suggesting said he was in progress now he sounds like he knows everything yet he was never even the initiator of this thread I find it disrespecting however I understand that such people are part of the community that I belong to so appreciate the Noise they are making and I wait January to see the advance of mr. organizer there, meanwhile I retire to my old forum http://www.c-sharpcorner.com and you can use it for you help too but I wish I hard one where I can even post kiswahili and someone responded. On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:09 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Okech, thnks for the input. :-)
@Mickey, thnks much. I'm not sure what you mean, please clarify. Thnks. :-)
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Mickey Mickey <michaelakunga@gmail.com>wrote:
[?]I have always used this below and when I saw that Idea I felt it will be health to have one very local just too close but like I see we got some techie parliament in there each with opinion but no one doing. Well I am like I think Skunk list will still serve the purpose, .............. [?]don look at me like that my opinion of course
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@Mickey, thnks sharing your input. I hope we can one day better the knowledgebases out there, but until we start, we will never know. There's a lot to be done and see an online mailing list/group/forum as a starting point. :-) @Obbayi, 100% spot on. :-) Thanks for sharing your thoughts. For me, January is the set date for the creation of group/list, and I'll post the progress here. Rgds.
Fellas. There is no "overstepping of my mandate" here. I believe the more the merrier. If guys want to go ahead and start a mailing list by all means go forth and do so! I dont have any problem with that! Knowledge is knowledge and no one has a monopoly of the same. On Wednesday, December 7, 2011, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Mickey, thnks sharing your input. I hope we can one day better the knowledgebases out there, but until we start, we will never know. There's a lot to be done and see an online mailing list/group/forum as a starting point. :-)
@Obbayi, 100% spot on. :-)
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. For me, January is the set date for the creation of group/list, and I'll post the progress here.
Rgds.
@Rad, cheers then. Rgds. On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Fellas.
There is no "overstepping of my mandate" here. I believe the more the merrier. If guys want to go ahead and start a mailing list by all means go forth and do so!
I dont have any problem with that! Knowledge is knowledge and no one has a monopoly of the same.
On a lighter note .. make it January 10.. coz January 1 being a Saturday most of us will hit the ground .. and stay there literally. On 7 December 2011 10:11, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I disagree.
I think a mailing list alone is not thinking big enough.
But again everyone is entitled to their opinion.
I am quite satisfied with the progress made with the volunteers i have so far. Even more are welcome.
We expect to hit the ground running by January 1st
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 9:14 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Good morning @Rad. In my original proposal thread some weeks ago, I wrote about a formation of an online mailing list/group. It is you who replied to my posting that there was interest in forming such and that such a process was in progress. I also offered you assistance in case you were tied up etc but I've never heard back from you on the matter.
And I think you are complicating the issue or we are not on the same wavelength. In my view, the mailing list is the simplest to start off with and we should build from there as programmers. You it seems are setting up a whole gig around this simple idea, it could take many months to get off the ground. Your idea is very strong and has an excellent focus but not in the correct time era.
I find you reply quite amusing and am literally laughing but will reserve my comments. You don't have to commit to anything or take up such a huge burden of getting the group/list started off.
So can we scale back to starting off from a simple mailing list on google groups for now, re-evaluate in 12 months and see how your vision of the group/list fits then? You will be a significant asset to the list, given your experience and knowledge in the sector.
Your thots.
Rgds :-)
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Speaking from personal experience with this list, I agree, there's more to it than a mailing list. To give the example of the recently formed EANOG, there is a lot happening in the background (John, Riyaz and Michuki are working on something) to give structure, funding etc. There is no hurry for a mailing list. Put up a good framework for the User Group (after all, it is a user group, not a mailing list being put together), that will add value and actually increase the quality of conversation in the user group. Vendor support is always a welcome plus. I am lost as to what the urgency for the mailing list is, as was pointed out, if anyone has any input, they should work with Conrad to expedite the process... -- Warm Regards, Phares Kaboro Kariuki
@Phares, thanks for the input. The action has already been processed on my side, I've marked it as an OT thread on this list, testing stage begins. Come next year, the mailing list will have a lot to do and thus a small step towards getting to our developer community goals/visions/knowledgebase/inspirations/motivations. And am not asking anyone on this list or other list to join up, I'll build this from scratch over the next 12 months. Rgds. :-)
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:31 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
The action has already been processed on my side, I've marked it as an OT thread on this list, testing stage begins. Come next year, the mailing list will have a lot to do and thus a small step towards getting to our developer community goals/visions/knowledgebase/inspirations/motivations.
And am not asking anyone on this list or other list to join up, I'll build this from scratch over the next 12 months.
Rgds. :-)
I'm guessing we can call you Kit Walker? :-) -- Warm Regards, Phares Kaboro Kariuki
@Phares, I've debated staying on/off list for quite a long while. But it had reached a stage where things have to head to another direction else mental stagnation on tech and code levels was severely creeping in. I can only thank the code world for this, now I can be free to move on and try to involve many other kenyans into thinking about how and where they are heading too in the code world. To me the next 12 months on growing the mailing list will be quite a challenge and really worth taking up to discover new things that am not aware of, so a good move on my side. Will share my experience towards the end of december next year. Rgds. :-) On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm guessing we can call you Kit Walker? :-)
If its thaaaaat urgent please go ahead and create a google group today which can be used in the interim before a formal user group with all the facilities is created. There is no point waiting for January. I believe that taking initiative rather than waiting is always better than complaining. 2 cents Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: aki <aki275@gmail.com> Sender: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 22:10:50 To: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Reply-To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: [Skunkworks] C# and ASP.NET group/list ( formal/informal? ) : Final call? _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
@Kibui, sometimes it pays to write intelligent threads, I so enjoyed reading your lands thread contribution. However, you are of the wrong opinion on this matter, and my response to @Rad was simply this : "BTW, it may interest you, the only reason i held back was to ensure that there was no dis-integration of the group/list which would defeat the online community spirit as having too many lists/groups of the same defeats a sense of purpose." I hope this answers you very clearly, initiative has nothing to do with it. My view. Rgds. :-) On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 9:09 AM, <thomas.kibui@gmail.com> wrote:
If its thaaaaat urgent please go ahead and create a google group today which can be used in the interim before a formal user group with all the facilities is created. There is no point waiting for January. I believe that taking initiative rather than waiting is always better than complaining. 2 cents
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