Hi Skunkers, I was just wondering why we can't make our own OS. Preferably we could call it Kenix. It should be POSIX compliant so that it would get global acceptance. For the shel l BASH would be ok but another shell which is object oriented that can compete with microsofts powershell should be considered.The kernel is what should be 100% kenyan contributed by local developers. The rationale 4 a Kenyan os is one that can give the user a kenyan look & feel thro its gui . Anyway these r just my 2 cents worth of thoughts. Any takes. . Regards, Martin Mucheke
Martin, This is innovative, indeed. However, I always feel a little jittery when such an idea is conceived but never given birth to. Methinks, if you have the capTalk about tying the bell, first. My little thoughts. On 18/10/2009, Martin Mucheke <kmucheke@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Skunkers, I was just wondering why we can't make our own OS. Preferably we could call it Kenix. It should be POSIX compliant so that it would get global acceptance. For the shel l BASH would be ok but another shell which is object oriented that can compete with microsofts powershell should be considered.The kernel is what should be 100% kenyan contributed by local developers. The rationale 4 a Kenyan os is one that can give the user a kenyan look & feel thro its gui . Anyway these r just my 2 cents worth of thoughts. Any takes. . Regards, Martin Mucheke
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On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Martin, This is innovative, indeed. However, I always feel a little jittery when such an idea is conceived but never given birth to. Methinks, if you have the capTalk about tying the bell, first. My little thoughts.
True @ Solomon Mburu !!! I've come to know too that in skunks, ideas are always conceived but never birthed! For instance whatever happened to the 'skunks-effort' Kenyan payment gateway??? Guess I got to agree with an ideology (or a real fact now)that most Africans(here Kenyans) might not manage to contribute to open source simply because most of them have not yet fully acquired Financial Freedom.Most of our work is geared towards earning a good living rather than research and fulfillment. So unless this state and mind set is changed, there might be little or no developments coming from this list. Please prove me wrong by working and finalizing on at least one brilliant development idea that has been raised in the list. Chris_w. dabnix@gmail.com
On 18/10/2009, Martin Mucheke <kmucheke@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Skunkers, I was just wondering why we can't make our own OS. Preferably we could call it Kenix. It should be POSIX compliant so that it would get global acceptance. For the shel l BASH would be ok but another shell which is object oriented that can compete with microsofts powershell should be considered.The kernel is what should be 100% kenyan contributed by local developers. The rationale 4 a Kenyan os is one that can give the user a kenyan look & feel thro its gui . Anyway these r just my 2 cents worth of thoughts. Any takes. . Regards, Martin Mucheke
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On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Martin Mucheke <kmucheke@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Skunkers, I was just wondering why we can't make our own OS. Preferably we could call it Kenix. It should be POSIX compliant so that it would get global acceptance. For the shel l BASH would be ok but another shell which is object oriented that can compete with microsofts powershell should be considered.The kernel is what should be 100% kenyan contributed by local developers. The rationale 4 a Kenyan os is one that can give the user a kenyan look & feel thro its gui . Anyway these r just my 2 cents worth of thoughts. Any takes. . Regards, Martin Mucheke
Me thinks there is no need for such an OS unless there is something specifically Kenyan that it's supposed to address. But it's good to have such a dream! If there are kernel hackers in Kenya, it would be worth their time contributing their expertise to the various FOSS projects that are already running. Forming and managing an OS devteam is no joke. Perhaps some localization experts can do a swahili language *NIX but that would just confuse the masses. How many people are running MS Windows in Swahili? Or even FB? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
maybe phares should come up with rules on ideas in skunks, :) On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Martin Mucheke <kmucheke@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi Skunkers, I was just wondering why we can't make our own OS. Preferably we could call it Kenix. It should be POSIX compliant so that it would get global acceptance. For the shel l BASH would be ok but another shell which is object oriented that can compete with microsofts powershell should be considered.The kernel is what should be 100% kenyan contributed by local developers. The rationale 4 a Kenyan os is one that can give the user a kenyan look & feel thro its gui . Anyway these r just my 2 cents worth of thoughts. Any takes. . Regards, Martin Mucheke
Me thinks there is no need for such an OS unless there is something specifically Kenyan that it's supposed to address. But it's good to have such a dream! If there are kernel hackers in Kenya, it would be worth their time contributing their expertise to the various FOSS projects that are already running. Forming and managing an OS devteam is no joke. Perhaps some localization experts can do a swahili language *NIX but that would just confuse the masses. How many people are running MS Windows in Swahili? Or even FB?
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@ Mucheke. What do we need to get started? i'm in and am ready now. Lets start. Anyone else interested? am looking for yes's only. Don't mind the critique but this time around, lets get Martin's dream up and running. If you're in, Holla!. Odhiambo Washington wrote:
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Martin Mucheke <kmucheke@gmail.com <mailto:kmucheke@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Skunkers, I was just wondering why we can't make our own OS. Preferably we could call it Kenix. It should be POSIX compliant so that it would get global acceptance. For the shel l BASH would be ok but another shell which is object oriented that can compete with microsofts powershell should be considered.The kernel is what should be 100% kenyan contributed by local developers. The rationale 4 a Kenyan os is one that can give the user a kenyan look & feel thro its gui . Anyway these r just my 2 cents worth of thoughts. Any takes. . Regards, Martin Mucheke
Me thinks there is no need for such an OS unless there is something specifically Kenyan that it's supposed to address. But it's good to have such a dream! If there are kernel hackers in Kenya, it would be worth their time contributing their expertise to the various FOSS projects that are already running. Forming and managing an OS devteam is no joke. Perhaps some localization experts can do a swahili language *NIX but that would just confuse the masses. How many people are running MS Windows in Swahili? Or even FB?
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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@Odhiambo, Ubuntu wasn't necessary either according to me but look what happened there.
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Martin Mucheke <kmucheke@gmail.com <mailto:kmucheke@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Skunkers, I was just wondering why we can't make our own OS. Preferably we could call it Kenix. It should be POSIX compliant so that it would get global acceptance. For the shel l BASH would be ok but another shell which is object oriented that can compete with microsofts powershell should be considered.The kernel is what should be 100% kenyan contributed by local developers. The rationale 4 a Kenyan os is one that can give the user a kenyan look & feel thro its gui . Anyway these r just my 2 cents worth of thoughts. Any takes. . Regards, Martin Mucheke
Me thinks there is no need for such an OS unless there is something specifically Kenyan that it's supposed to address. But it's good to have such a dream! If there are kernel hackers in Kenya, it would be worth their time contributing their expertise to the various FOSS projects that are already running. Forming and managing an OS devteam is no joke. Perhaps some localization experts can do a swahili language *NIX but that would just confuse the masses. How many people are running MS Windows in Swahili? Or even FB?
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On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Rahim Kara <skunkingrahim@gmail.com>wrote:
@Odhiambo, Ubuntu wasn't necessary either according to me but look what happened there.
@Rahim, Is Ubuntu South African? I am not quite knowledgeable about its origins, although I recall vaguely that the project is bankrolled by that space tourist named Mark Shuttleworth and from records, I can see he injected USD 10m to start with.... Who do you think is likely to banroll KENIX? DJ Chris? :-) No meaningful work can go on without a definate resource for funding. Developers will only work on a project if their time is compensated for in some way. For any project to succeed, there must be a need that it's supposed to address. What do you see as the "need being addressed" by the introduction of KENIX? I am not "fighting" the idea, but only being realistic. Well, if this takes off, I will join the documentation team. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
What are the requirements that kenix is looking forward to meet? 2009/10/19 Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Rahim Kara <skunkingrahim@gmail.com>wrote:
@Odhiambo, Ubuntu wasn't necessary either according to me but look what happened there.
@Rahim,
Is Ubuntu South African? I am not quite knowledgeable about its origins, although I recall vaguely that the project is bankrolled by that space tourist named Mark Shuttleworth and from records, I can see he injected USD 10m to start with.... Who do you think is likely to banroll KENIX? DJ Chris? :-)
No meaningful work can go on without a definate resource for funding. Developers will only work on a project if their time is compensated for in some way. For any project to succeed, there must be a need that it's supposed to address. What do you see as the "need being addressed" by the introduction of KENIX? I am not "fighting" the idea, but only being realistic.
Well, if this takes off, I will join the documentation team.
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On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Well, if this takes off, I will join the documentation team.
He hee .. Wash, if it actually takes off you will be brought to the arduous and well-avoided task of writing tonnes of docs! Quite uninteresting sometimes :D
Ubuntu is south african....Without the funding, I doubt it would have made such a huge progress within such a short time...And by funding I mean millions of dollars....Also, its based on the debian linux...So in essence KENIX should not necessarily be from scratch... ./bernard On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Ndungi Kyalo <ndungi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Well, if this takes off, I will join the documentation team.
He hee .. Wash, if it actually takes off you will be brought to the arduous and well-avoided task of writing tonnes of docs! Quite uninteresting sometimes :D
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@ Benja It has begun. 1. Lets get a list of people together who are interested 2. Gather information on how to's. 3. If we can get a list of what resources are needed, i can try and pull strings, legs, hands and tongues so that i can try and pool resources. and lets get a move on. Benjamin wrote:
when is it starting! ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Count me in! On 19/10/2009, Rahim Kara <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Benja It has begun.
1. Lets get a list of people together who are interested 2. Gather information on how to's. 3. If we can get a list of what resources are needed, i can try and pull strings, legs, hands and tongues so that i can try and pool resources.
and lets get a move on.
Benjamin wrote:
when is it starting! ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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IMHO... Nice idea, the challenge in itself would be good to bring together tech geeks to build something worth it. I've had similar concepts from others as well. A few caveats however... For people to commit requires that an individual sees value return. The most obvious here is financial reward. Good motivator. Otherwise people tend to scatter, you can't keep consistency and without that project may very easily fail. For commitment you also need a centralized controlling team. I'm not suggesting a totally centralized approach as with proprietary dev but I think it is important to have a holding center and then other devs can come and go as they wish. Secondly, why fragment (yet again)??? Why not get a team to work on an existing solid OS? - Ubuntu or PCBSD would be great, both have great direction and have sustainability. Or perhaps a hybrid approach, start something from the ground up, but commit to an existing body of code for whatever problems you solve that are shared with the other OS. On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Rahim Kara <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Benja It has begun.
1. Lets get a list of people together who are interested 2. Gather information on how to's. 3. If we can get a list of what resources are needed, i can try and pull strings, legs, hands and tongues so that i can try and pool resources.
and lets get a move on.
Benjamin wrote:
when is it starting! ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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While a good idea, I also question the viability of such a project. It would only make sense in an academic context where the rationale would be to teach operating system concepts, queuing theory, network optimization, etc. But in terms of developing an OS for real use I'm afraid such a project would be dead in the water for the reason that there is no existing itch that it would solve viably. Building an operating system is not a trivial thing in terms of architecture, development & testing. You also need to consider things like applications that will run on said operating systems. It has taken Unix, Linux and Windows 30+ years to refine. There are many attempts to build yet another operating system that have died by the roadside. It would make much more sense to build from existing work (Linux/BSD) and either identify a need that has not been satisfactorily met by existing work or identifying something that could be improved and working on that (e.g. file system, network stack, scheduling algorithms, etc). I know techies are HEAVILY disposed towards coding but this is one project that requires a lot more ground work. On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Mworia Wilfred Mutua <wmworia@gmail.com> wrote:
IMHO...
Nice idea, the challenge in itself would be good to bring together tech geeks to build something worth it. I've had similar concepts from others as well. A few caveats however...
For people to commit requires that an individual sees value return. The most obvious here is financial reward. Good motivator. Otherwise people tend to scatter, you can't keep consistency and without that project may very easily fail.
For commitment you also need a centralized controlling team. I'm not suggesting a totally centralized approach as with proprietary dev but I think it is important to have a holding center and then other devs can come and go as they wish.
Secondly, why fragment (yet again)??? Why not get a team to work on an existing solid OS? - Ubuntu or PCBSD would be great, both have great direction and have sustainability. Or perhaps a hybrid approach, start something from the ground up, but commit to an existing body of code for whatever problems you solve that are shared with the other OS.
@Odhiambo Point noted. I tend to have a rather uncanny tendency of looking at things via a garbled perspective that the unachievable is achievable. That being said, it is South African. Yes there was Major funding involved which isnt there right now. And disregarding that, all those who would still like to try this project out, let me know. Like Odhiambo said, it's Pro Bono for now. Rahim.
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Rahim Kara <skunkingrahim@gmail.com <mailto:skunkingrahim@gmail.com>> wrote:
@Odhiambo, Ubuntu wasn't necessary either according to me but look what happened there.
@Rahim,
Is Ubuntu South African? I am not quite knowledgeable about its origins, although I recall vaguely that the project is bankrolled by that space tourist named Mark Shuttleworth and from records, I can see he injected USD 10m to start with.... Who do you think is likely to banroll KENIX? DJ Chris? :-)
No meaningful work can go on without a definate resource for funding. Developers will only work on a project if their time is compensated for in some way. For any project to succeed, there must be a need that it's supposed to address. What do you see as the "need being addressed" by the introduction of KENIX? I am not "fighting" the idea, but only being realistic.
Well, if this takes off, I will join the documentation team.
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Odhiambo Washington -
Rad! -
Rahim Kara -
Solomon Mburu