The subject notwithstanding, lemme introduce a proposed curriculum on this topic. As we still have a few days till beginning of august, i propose we spend these wisely planning on these debates. here is a rough guide: August: Pertinent issues affecting energy. -> Our electricity production / consumption as a nation & region. -> Showcases: -> highlighting people, organizations playing a significant role in energy production. -> Pricing vs global competitiveness: -> why our energy is expensive. -> Trends & trending ourselves. September: Energy Ideas. October: ...... suggestions welcome. -- Posted on 100% recycled electrons
Ill go on and ask the first question to get us on: Access to reliable and affordable electricity is key to all aspects of economic and industrial development. the lower the cost of electricy, the more competitive a nation is likely to be in all sectors. the current comparative cost of electricity per kilowatt hours stand highly skewed in the favour of western and eastern economic giants. 1: What are the possible ways we can have electricity on the cheap at the consumer level. 2: what are the possible ways private sector, without involvement of the government can access cheap energy? 3: what needs to happen to have a competitively priced and available electricity product in the region? On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 5:10 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
The subject notwithstanding, lemme introduce a proposed curriculum on this topic. As we still have a few days till beginning of august, i propose we spend these wisely planning on these debates. here is a rough guide:
August: Pertinent issues affecting energy. -> Our electricity production / consumption as a nation & region. -> Showcases: -> highlighting people, organizations playing a significant role in energy production. -> Pricing vs global competitiveness: -> why our energy is expensive. -> Trends & trending ourselves.
September: Energy Ideas.
October: ...... suggestions welcome.
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Hey Areba and the greater Skunks community, First of all I may be wrong but I believe every industry rides on energy and infrastructure. and this should be built by the government seeing as it is immensely expensive and is a common heritage. Alot has been said about renewable energy and about growing green and the technology is already here but little is done about it. that Agrekko was paid to burn diesel to turn turbines to produce electricity is one of the few things I cannot understand. Sure we needed the extra generation but ever since Olkaria was put into place in 1981<http://www.kengen.co.ke/index.php?page=business&subpage=geothermal&id=1> there has been minimal interest in adding more plants even though the potential untapped was more than enough. This is a case of closing the stable door when the horse has already bolted. All these forms of energy that are sustainable, don't pollute the environment and are available now should have our best scientists working on them to iron out the details. The celebrated fibre optic cable would be rather useless without adequate power. . . . How does the US power its homes? Do they have diesel generators? I doubt it. . . On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 12:25 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
Ill go on and ask the first question to get us on:
Access to reliable and affordable electricity is key to all aspects of economic and industrial development. the lower the cost of electricy, the more competitive a nation is likely to be in all sectors. the current comparative cost of electricity per kilowatt hours stand highly skewed in the favour of western and eastern economic giants.
1: What are the possible ways we can have electricity on the cheap at the consumer level.
2: what are the possible ways private sector, without involvement of the government can access cheap energy?
3: what needs to happen to have a competitively priced and available electricity product in the region?
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 5:10 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
The subject notwithstanding, lemme introduce a proposed curriculum on this topic. As we still have a few days till beginning of august, i propose we spend these wisely planning on these debates. here is a rough guide:
August: Pertinent issues affecting energy. -> Our electricity production / consumption as a nation & region. -> Showcases: -> highlighting people, organizations playing a significant role in energy production. -> Pricing vs global competitiveness: -> why our energy is expensive. -> Trends & trending ourselves.
September: Energy Ideas.
October: ...... suggestions welcome.
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@mwangi The US uses thermal for over 70 percent of their energy requirements. they dont burn diesel though, they burn coal. Its dirty but cheap energy. I bet the minister, PS or some highly placed guy in the ministry of energy is a major beneficiary. KPLC is a middleman out to just make a profit from offering lacklusture service. My question is; What would need to be done to change the nature of things and ensure cheap and affordable electricity? On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 7:12 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Areba and the greater Skunks community,
First of all I may be wrong but I believe every industry rides on energy and infrastructure. and this should be built by the government seeing as it is immensely expensive and is a common heritage.
Alot has been said about renewable energy and about growing green and the technology is already here but little is done about it. that Agrekko was paid to burn diesel to turn turbines to produce electricity is one of the few things I cannot understand. Sure we needed the extra generation but ever since Olkaria was put into place in 1981<http://www.kengen.co.ke/index.php?page=business&subpage=geothermal&id=1> there has been minimal interest in adding more plants even though the potential untapped was more than enough.
This is a case of closing the stable door when the horse has already bolted. All these forms of energy that are sustainable, don't pollute the environment and are available now should have our best scientists working on them to iron out the details. The celebrated fibre optic cable would be rather useless without adequate power. . . .
How does the US power its homes? Do they have diesel generators? I doubt it. . .
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 12:25 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
Ill go on and ask the first question to get us on:
Access to reliable and affordable electricity is key to all aspects of economic and industrial development. the lower the cost of electricy, the more competitive a nation is likely to be in all sectors. the current comparative cost of electricity per kilowatt hours stand highly skewed in the favour of western and eastern economic giants.
1: What are the possible ways we can have electricity on the cheap at the consumer level.
2: what are the possible ways private sector, without involvement of the government can access cheap energy?
3: what needs to happen to have a competitively priced and available electricity product in the region?
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 5:10 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
The subject notwithstanding, lemme introduce a proposed curriculum on this topic. As we still have a few days till beginning of august, i propose we spend these wisely planning on these debates. here is a rough guide:
August: Pertinent issues affecting energy. -> Our electricity production / consumption as a nation & region. -> Showcases: -> highlighting people, organizations playing a significant role in energy production. -> Pricing vs global competitiveness: -> why our energy is expensive. -> Trends & trending ourselves.
September: Energy Ideas.
October: ...... suggestions welcome.
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They say that less demand ; may create less prices,,,,
From the KPLC twitter site (i dont know who updates it)
Quote: "KPLC has installed 1,055,694 energy saving bulbs countrywide and in the process has reduced peak demand by 60MW (installation is ongoing)" End. We do realize of cause that our economy in Kenya lies along one road --- whichever way you view it : Mombasa --> Nairobi ---> Nakuru ----> Eldoret / Kisumu And from what I see, the two towns on the extreme end are right next to water bodies. Why cant we decentralize production of electricity; because it seems that majority of country relies on the Tana river - 7 folks - and when there is no rain... we know the story. Would it be cheaper for peripheral towns like Eldoret and Kisumu to source their electricity from Uganda ? Can a town like Nyahururu harness the water fall and produce its own power ? (just a few thots)
how would we decentralize? given that sources of energy are randomly distributed? On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:15 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
They say that less demand ; may create less prices,,,,
From the KPLC twitter site (i dont know who updates it)
Quote: "KPLC has installed 1,055,694 energy saving bulbs countrywide and in the process has reduced peak demand by 60MW (installation is ongoing)"
End.
We do realize of cause that our economy in Kenya lies along one road --- whichever way you view it :
Mombasa --> Nairobi ---> Nakuru ----> Eldoret / Kisumu
And from what I see, the two towns on the extreme end are right next to water bodies. Why cant we decentralize production of electricity; because it seems that majority of country relies on the Tana river - 7 folks - and when there is no rain... we know the story.
Would it be cheaper for peripheral towns like Eldoret and Kisumu to source their electricity from Uganda ?
Can a town like Nyahururu harness the water fall and produce its own power ?
(just a few thots)
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I suppose decentralize is the wrong word. But suppose those towns with water bodies could produce their own power. Which makes me wonder why KPLC is preferring the expensive diesel option unlike the sustainable natural resource options..
Im assuming you are referring to Kisumu and Mombasa. . Mombasa might, due to tidal and wave energy, but kisumu? On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:29 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
I suppose decentralize is the wrong word.
But suppose those towns with water bodies could produce their own power. Which makes me wonder why KPLC is preferring the expensive diesel option unlike the sustainable natural resource options..
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nice thinking... i know of a few farmers in ol donyo sabuk who have wind mills that work as water pumps and generate electricity for them. and the electricity seems reliable enough since its also used for the security fence. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:29 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
I suppose decentralize is the wrong word.
But suppose those towns with water bodies could produce their own power. Which makes me wonder why KPLC is preferring the expensive diesel option unlike the sustainable natural resource options..
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I think ever town being somewhat self sufficient would help alot. . For instance wind powered pumps could be fitted at bore holes and pump water up full time and store it in storage tanks which could then serve the towns with their water needs. for instance back home most of the power consumption goes into pumping water up from a river to use on the farm aa feat thet can be accomplished by a wind mill and an adequately sized chunk and thus save us some cool cash. . we tend to forget the problems we are actually solving and focus on the immediate one which is kplc. . . On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:58 PM, michael wambua <m80mig@gmail.com> wrote:
nice thinking... i know of a few farmers in ol donyo sabuk who have wind mills that work as water pumps and generate electricity for them. and the electricity seems reliable enough since its also used for the security fence.
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:29 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
I suppose decentralize is the wrong word.
But suppose those towns with water bodies could produce their own power. Which makes me wonder why KPLC is preferring the expensive diesel option unlike the sustainable natural resource options..
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sorry meant adequately sized tank On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:15 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I think ever town being somewhat self sufficient would help alot. .
For instance wind powered pumps could be fitted at bore holes and pump water up full time and store it in storage tanks which could then serve the towns with their water needs. for instance back home most of the power consumption goes into pumping water up from a river to use on the farm a feat that can be accomplished by a wind mill and an adequately sized chunk and thus save us some cool cash. .
we tend to forget the problems we are actually solving and focus on the immediate one which is kplc. . .
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:58 PM, michael wambua <m80mig@gmail.com> wrote:
nice thinking... i know of a few farmers in ol donyo sabuk who have wind mills that work as water pumps and generate electricity for them. and the electricity seems reliable enough since its also used for the security fence.
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:29 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
I suppose decentralize is the wrong word.
But suppose those towns with water bodies could produce their own power. Which makes me wonder why KPLC is preferring the expensive diesel option unlike the sustainable natural resource options..
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I like the self sufficient towns idea, how about we move to "self sufficient homes / schools / factories ?" On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
sorry meant adequately sized tank
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:15 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I think ever town being somewhat self sufficient would help alot. .
For instance wind powered pumps could be fitted at bore holes and pump water up full time and store it in storage tanks which could then serve the towns with their water needs. for instance back home most of the power consumption goes into pumping water up from a river to use on the farm a feat that can be accomplished by a wind mill and an adequately sized chunk and thus save us some cool cash. .
we tend to forget the problems we are actually solving and focus on the immediate one which is kplc. . .
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:58 PM, michael wambua <m80mig@gmail.com>wrote:
nice thinking... i know of a few farmers in ol donyo sabuk who have wind mills that work as water pumps and generate electricity for them. and the electricity seems reliable enough since its also used for the security fence.
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:29 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
I suppose decentralize is the wrong word.
But suppose those towns with water bodies could produce their own power. Which makes me wonder why KPLC is preferring the expensive diesel option unlike the sustainable natural resource options..
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I believe if it begins with the town - then different buildings/institutions/individuals can be inspired to produce their own electricity: The boy in Malawi who made an electricity windmill (quite inspiring): http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-october-7-2009/william-kamkwamba ==== However; the last month's discussions of Kanjo rules rings an alarming bell; seeing as the Kenyan government wants to control everything; I don't think it will view anyone trying to compete with KPLC in favor. They might instigate very stringent rules to discourage the production of electricity on individual terms - therefore KPLC must somehow be involved from the onset of the proposal to have each town harness its own electricity.
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