This is old news (the VIA OpenBook @ http://www.viaopenbook.com/), but it triggered some "new" questions in mind: - how feasible is it for a public-private-partnership (PPP) to setup a fabrication/assembly plant using the reference designs? - would the (eventual) cost be lower than off-the-shelf netbooks? - is the boost to the local knowledge economy worth the risks involved? - would anyone buy the units? Or are Kenyans too beholden to brand names (HP, Toshiba etc)? - is this a camouflaged reinvention of the wheel? - are there times when other factors justify reinventing portions of a wheel? What factors might those be? Engadget's review @ http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/27/via-openbook-hands-on/ If the ICT Board and the Government are serious about kickstarting local this and that, perhaps they should be asking themselves such questions. Or have they already? It would be great if university courses modified the reference designs for a local context and published their results. Or at the very least modifying a simpler circuit board like the Arduino http://www.arduino.cc/ (Wired has a good article about it @ http://www.wired.com/techbiz/startups/magazine/16-11/ff_openmanufacturing). Saidi
Saidi, Just to thank you for the "knowledge value" I find in many of your posts. Sincerely, Alex On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:27 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
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This would be hard to sell in this mmarket My 2 cents On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Saidi,
Just to thank you for the "knowledge value" I find in many of your posts.
Sincerely,
Alex
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:27 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
This is old news (the VIA OpenBook @ http://www.viaopenbook.com/), but it triggered some "new" questions in mind: - how feasible is it for a public-private-partnership (PPP) to setup a fabrication/assembly plant using the reference designs? - would the (eventual) cost be lower than off-the-shelf netbooks? - is the boost to the local knowledge economy worth the risks involved? - would anyone buy the units? Or are Kenyans too beholden to brand names (HP, Toshiba etc)? - is this a camouflaged reinvention of the wheel? - are there times when other factors justify reinventing portions of a wheel? What factors might those be? Engadget's review @ http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/27/via-openbook-hands-on/ If the ICT Board and the Government are serious about kickstarting local this and that, perhaps they should be asking themselves such questions. Or have they already? It would be great if university courses modified the reference designs for a local context and published their results. Or at the very least modifying a simpler circuit board like the Arduino http://www.arduino.cc/ (Wired has a good article about it @ http://www.wired.com/techbiz/startups/magazine/16-11/ff_openmanufacturing). Saidi _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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I think our 'default' should not always be 'negative'. If you had attended the Digital Video Broadcast launch two days ago, then you would have found out that the University of Nairobi has embarked on local manufacture of "set top boxes" digital<-> analogue converters. The huge market being a sufficient reason justifying commercial viability. On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
This would be hard to sell in this mmarket
My 2 cents
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Saidi,
Just to thank you for the "knowledge value" I find in many of your posts.
Sincerely,
Alex
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:27 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
This is old news (the VIA OpenBook @ http://www.viaopenbook.com/), but it triggered some "new" questions in mind: - how feasible is it for a public-private-partnership (PPP) to setup a fabrication/assembly plant using the reference designs? - would the (eventual) cost be lower than off-the-shelf netbooks? - is the boost to the local knowledge economy worth the risks involved? - would anyone buy the units? Or are Kenyans too beholden to brand names (HP, Toshiba etc)? - is this a camouflaged reinvention of the wheel? - are there times when other factors justify reinventing portions of a wheel? What factors might those be? Engadget's review @ http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/27/via-openbook-hands-on/ If the ICT Board and the Government are serious about kickstarting local this and that, perhaps they should be asking themselves such questions. Or have they already? It would be great if university courses modified the reference designs for a local context and published their results. Or at the very least modifying a simpler circuit board like the Arduino http://www.arduino.cc/ (Wired has a good article about it @ http://www.wired.com/techbiz/startups/magazine/16-11/ff_openmanufacturing). Saidi _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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Probably lets re-evaluate the success of Meccer and Starmax as desktop assemblers in Kenya. From what I can recall Meccer closed shop and Starmax products are not that popular. 2009/12/11 Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>
I think our 'default' should not always be 'negative'. If you had attended the Digital Video Broadcast launch two days ago, then you would have found out that the University of Nairobi has embarked on local manufacture of "set top boxes" digital<-> analogue converters. The huge market being a sufficient reason justifying commercial viability.
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
This would be hard to sell in this mmarket
My 2 cents
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Saidi,
Just to thank you for the "knowledge value" I find in many of your posts.
Sincerely,
Alex
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:27 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
This is old news (the VIA OpenBook @ http://www.viaopenbook.com/), but it triggered some "new" questions in mind: - how feasible is it for a public-private-partnership (PPP) to setup a fabrication/assembly plant using the reference designs? - would the (eventual) cost be lower than off-the-shelf netbooks? - is the boost to the local knowledge economy worth the risks involved? - would anyone buy the units? Or are Kenyans too beholden to brand names (HP, Toshiba etc)? - is this a camouflaged reinvention of the wheel? - are there times when other factors justify reinventing portions of a wheel? What factors might those be? Engadget's review @ http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/27/via-openbook-hands-on/ If the ICT Board and the Government are serious about kickstarting local this and that, perhaps they should be asking themselves such questions. Or have they already? It would be great if university courses modified the reference designs for a local context and published their results. Or at the very least modifying a simpler circuit board like the Arduino http://www.arduino.cc/ (Wired has a good article about it @ http://www.wired.com/techbiz/startups/magazine/16-11/ff_openmanufacturing ). Saidi _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
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Jared very true...though Mecer are still very much here!!! On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com> wrote:
Probably lets re-evaluate the success of Meccer and Starmax as desktop assemblers in Kenya. From what I can recall Meccer closed shop and Starmax products are not that popular.
2009/12/11 Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>
I think our 'default' should not always be 'negative'. If you had attended the Digital Video Broadcast launch two days ago, then you would have found out that the University of Nairobi has embarked on local manufacture of "set top boxes" digital<-> analogue converters. The huge market being a sufficient reason justifying commercial viability.
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
This would be hard to sell in this mmarket
My 2 cents
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Saidi,
Just to thank you for the "knowledge value" I find in many of your posts.
Sincerely,
Alex
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:27 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
This is old news (the VIA OpenBook @ http://www.viaopenbook.com/), but it triggered some "new" questions in mind: - how feasible is it for a public-private-partnership (PPP) to setup a fabrication/assembly plant using the reference designs? - would the (eventual) cost be lower than off-the-shelf netbooks? - is the boost to the local knowledge economy worth the risks involved? - would anyone buy the units? Or are Kenyans too beholden to brand names (HP, Toshiba etc)? - is this a camouflaged reinvention of the wheel? - are there times when other factors justify reinventing portions of a wheel? What factors might those be? Engadget's review @ http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/27/via-openbook-hands-on/ If the ICT Board and the Government are serious about kickstarting local this and that, perhaps they should be asking themselves such questions. Or have they already? It would be great if university courses modified the reference designs for a local context and published their results. Or at the very least modifying a simpler circuit board like the Arduino http://www.arduino.cc/ (Wired has a good article about it
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The issues is production will not be cost effective why use 70k to produce a laptop that can be imported duty free at 50k with the same specs importation is cheaper than production in that case. On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:
Jared very true...though Mecer are still very much here!!!
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com> wrote:
Probably lets re-evaluate the success of Meccer and Starmax as desktop assemblers in Kenya. From what I can recall Meccer closed shop and Starmax products are not that popular.
2009/12/11 Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>
I think our 'default' should not always be 'negative'. If you had attended the Digital Video Broadcast launch two days ago, then you would have found out that the University of Nairobi has embarked on local manufacture of "set top boxes" digital<-> analogue converters. The huge market being a sufficient reason justifying commercial viability.
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <
ajochola@gmail.com>
wrote:
This would be hard to sell in this mmarket
My 2 cents
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Saidi,
Just to thank you for the "knowledge value" I find in many of your posts.
Sincerely,
Alex
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:27 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
This is old news (the VIA OpenBook @ http://www.viaopenbook.com/), but it triggered some "new" questions in mind: - how feasible is it for a public-private-partnership (PPP) to setup a fabrication/assembly plant using the reference designs? - would the (eventual) cost be lower than off-the-shelf netbooks? - is the boost to the local knowledge economy worth the risks involved? - would anyone buy the units? Or are Kenyans too beholden to brand names (HP, Toshiba etc)? - is this a camouflaged reinvention of the wheel? - are there times when other factors justify reinventing portions of a wheel? What factors might those be? Engadget's review @ http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/27/via-openbook-hands-on/ If the ICT Board and the Government are serious about kickstarting local this and that, perhaps they should be asking themselves such questions. Or have they already? It would be great if university courses modified the reference designs for a local context and published their results. Or at the very least modifying a simpler circuit board like the Arduino http://www.arduino.cc/(Wired has a good article about it
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@Alvin, The Mecer that closed shop was based at the EPZ if I recall, and their operations were taken over by their sister company Mecer East Africa which no longer assemble PCs but imports fully built units. They failed due to cost related issues and tax regime that favored importation. I think with withe zero rating of computer stuff, it might be even harder for such a venture to succeed. 2009/12/11 Calvin Omari <calvinebarongo@gmail.com>
The issues is production will not be cost effective why use 70k to produce a laptop that can be imported duty free at 50k with the same specs importation is cheaper than production in that case.
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:
Jared very true...though Mecer are still very much here!!!
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com> wrote:
Probably lets re-evaluate the success of Meccer and Starmax as desktop assemblers in Kenya. From what I can recall Meccer closed shop and Starmax products are not that popular.
2009/12/11 Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>
I think our 'default' should not always be 'negative'. If you had attended the Digital Video Broadcast launch two days ago, then you would have found out that the University of Nairobi has embarked on local manufacture of "set top boxes" digital<-> analogue converters. The huge market being a sufficient reason justifying commercial viability.
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <
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wrote:
This would be hard to sell in this mmarket
My 2 cents
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Saidi,
Just to thank you for the "knowledge value" I find in many of your posts.
Sincerely,
Alex
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:27 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote: > This is old news (the VIA OpenBook @ http://www.viaopenbook.com/), but > it > triggered some "new" questions in mind: > - how feasible is it for a public-private-partnership (PPP) to setup a > fabrication/assembly plant using the reference designs? > - would the (eventual) cost be lower than off-the-shelf netbooks? > - is the boost to the local knowledge economy worth the risks > involved? > - would anyone buy the units? Or are Kenyans too beholden to brand > names > (HP, Toshiba etc)? > - is this a camouflaged reinvention of the wheel? > - are there times when other factors justify reinventing portions of a > wheel? What factors might those be? > Engadget's review > @ http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/27/via-openbook-hands-on/ > If the ICT Board and the Government are serious about kickstarting > local > this and that, perhaps they should be asking themselves such > questions. Or > have they already? > It would be great if university courses modified the reference designs > for a > local context and published their results. Or at the very least > modifying a > simpler circuit board like the Arduino http://www.arduino.cc/(Wired > has a > good article about it > > @ http://www.wired.com/techbiz/startups/magazine/16-11/ff_openmanufacturing ). > Saidi > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general > _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
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That's what you meant...ok....they bring in fully assembled now.....very true....It will be very hard coz even their prices compared to known brands like HP / LENOVO / TOSHIBA do not have much price difference. On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alvin, The Mecer that closed shop was based at the EPZ if I recall, and their operations were taken over by their sister company Mecer East Africa which no longer assemble PCs but imports fully built units. They failed due to cost related issues and tax regime that favored importation. I think with withe zero rating of computer stuff, it might be even harder for such a venture to succeed.
2009/12/11 Calvin Omari <calvinebarongo@gmail.com>
The issues is production will not be cost effective why use 70k to produce a laptop that can be imported duty free at 50k with the same specs importation is cheaper than production in that case.
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
Jared very true...though Mecer are still very much here!!!
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com> wrote:
Probably lets re-evaluate the success of Meccer and Starmax as desktop assemblers in Kenya. From what I can recall Meccer closed shop and Starmax products are not that popular.
2009/12/11 Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>
I think our 'default' should not always be 'negative'. If you had attended the Digital Video Broadcast launch two days ago, then you would have found out that the University of Nairobi has embarked on local manufacture of "set top boxes" digital<-> analogue converters. The huge market being a sufficient reason justifying commercial viability.
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
This would be hard to sell in this mmarket
My 2 cents
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote: > Saidi, > > Just to thank you for the "knowledge value" I find in many of your > posts. > > Sincerely, > > Alex > > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:27 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> > wrote: >> This is old news (the VIA OpenBook @ http://www.viaopenbook.com/), >> but >> it >> triggered some "new" questions in mind: >> - how feasible is it for a public-private-partnership (PPP) to >> setup a >> fabrication/assembly plant using the reference designs? >> - would the (eventual) cost be lower than off-the-shelf netbooks? >> - is the boost to the local knowledge economy worth the risks >> involved? >> - would anyone buy the units? Or are Kenyans too beholden to brand >> names >> (HP, Toshiba etc)? >> - is this a camouflaged reinvention of the wheel? >> - are there times when other factors justify reinventing portions >> of a >> wheel? What factors might those be? >> Engadget's review >> @ http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/27/via-openbook-hands-on/ >> If the ICT Board and the Government are serious about kickstarting >> local >> this and that, perhaps they should be asking themselves such >> questions. Or >> have they already? >> It would be great if university courses modified the reference >> designs >> for a >> local context and published their results. Or at the very least >> modifying a >> simpler circuit board like the Arduino http://www.arduino.cc/ >> (Wired >> has a >> good article about it >> >> >> @ http://www.wired.com/techbiz/startups/magazine/16-11/ff_openmanufacturing). >> Saidi >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >> >> >> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> Other lists >> ------------- >> Announce: >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >> Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >> kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >> > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general > _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
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Thanks Alex. Most of the responses have basically said "it can't be done, it's too expensive". This is the standard defeatist attitude that basically does something simply because someone else has already done it... the me-too syndrome. <sarcasm>This is precisely what Africa needs to get out of poverty.</sarcasm> But seriously, how much (if at all) has this issue been investigated? Of course the initial costs will be high, they always are for any "new" product (or mode of production) - that is why I suggested a public/private partnership of sorts. The private sector is all about the economic bottom-line, but the government's bottom-line should be broader and longer-term, e.g. skills-development, diversifying economic activities, reducing dependence etc etc. The net gain to society is more than just cheap products, it is HUGE! Look at the amount of leverage China has in the world today (beyond just economic) ... and to imagine it all started with cloning electronics (this is a simplified view, to highlight a point). An investment, by definition, takes time to pay off. My question is: - All factors considered, is it a worthwhile investment? - I'm curious about why similar-looking efforts failed (someone mentioned Mercer, Starcom etc?) Saidi On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:02 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:
That's what you meant...ok....they bring in fully assembled now.....very true....It will be very hard coz even their prices compared to known brands like HP / LENOVO / TOSHIBA do not have much price difference.
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alvin, The Mecer that closed shop was based at the EPZ if I recall, and their operations were taken over by their sister company Mecer East Africa which no longer assemble PCs but imports fully built units. They failed due to cost related issues and tax regime that favored importation. I think with withe zero rating of computer stuff, it might be even harder for such a venture to succeed.
2009/12/11 Calvin Omari <calvinebarongo@gmail.com>
The issues is production will not be cost effective why use 70k to
produce
a laptop that can be imported duty free at 50k with the same specs importation is cheaper than production in that case.
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng < ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
Jared very true...though Mecer are still very much here!!!
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com> wrote:
Probably lets re-evaluate the success of Meccer and Starmax as
desktop
assemblers in Kenya. From what I can recall Meccer closed shop and Starmax products are not that popular.
2009/12/11 Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>
I think our 'default' should not always be 'negative'. If you had attended the Digital Video Broadcast launch two days ago, then you would have found out that the University of Nairobi has embarked on local manufacture of "set top boxes" digital<-> analogue converters. The huge market being a sufficient reason justifying commercial viability.
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote: > This would be hard to sell in this mmarket > > My 2 cents > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Gakuru Alex > <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote: >> Saidi, >> >> Just to thank you for the "knowledge value" I find in many of
your
>> posts. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Alex >> >> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:27 PM, saidimu apale < saidimu@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> This is old news (the VIA OpenBook @ http://www.viaopenbook.com/), >>> but >>> it >>> triggered some "new" questions in mind: >>> - how feasible is it for a public-private-partnership (PPP) to >>> setup a >>> fabrication/assembly plant using the reference designs? >>> - would the (eventual) cost be lower than off-the-shelf netbooks? >>> - is the boost to the local knowledge economy worth the risks >>> involved? >>> - would anyone buy the units? Or are Kenyans too beholden to brand >>> names >>> (HP, Toshiba etc)? >>> - is this a camouflaged reinvention of the wheel? >>> - are there times when other factors justify reinventing portions >>> of a >>> wheel? What factors might those be? >>> Engadget's review >>> @ http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/27/via-openbook-hands-on/ >>> If the ICT Board and the Government are serious about kickstarting >>> local >>> this and that, perhaps they should be asking themselves such >>> questions. Or >>> have they already? >>> It would be great if university courses modified the reference >>> designs >>> for a >>> local context and published their results. Or at the very least >>> modifying a >>> simpler circuit board like the Arduino http://www.arduino.cc/ >>> (Wired >>> has a >>> good article about it >>> >>> >>> @ http://www.wired.com/techbiz/startups/magazine/16-11/ff_openmanufacturing ). >>> Saidi >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >>> >>> >>> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... >>> ------------ >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> Other lists >>> ------------- >>> Announce: >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >>> Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >>> kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >> >> >> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> Other lists >> ------------- >> Announce: >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >> Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >> kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >> > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general > _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
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Very nice! I'm very curious about the project, do they have a website? A forum/mailing-list? If they harnessed the "wisdom of this crowd", the results might be very interesting. Saidi On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
I think our 'default' should not always be 'negative'. If you had attended the Digital Video Broadcast launch two days ago, then you would have found out that the University of Nairobi has embarked on local manufacture of "set top boxes" digital<-> analogue converters. The huge market being a sufficient reason justifying commercial viability.
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
This would be hard to sell in this mmarket
My 2 cents
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Saidi,
Just to thank you for the "knowledge value" I find in many of your posts.
Sincerely,
Alex
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:27 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
This is old news (the VIA OpenBook @ http://www.viaopenbook.com/), but it triggered some "new" questions in mind: - how feasible is it for a public-private-partnership (PPP) to setup a fabrication/assembly plant using the reference designs? - would the (eventual) cost be lower than off-the-shelf netbooks? - is the boost to the local knowledge economy worth the risks involved? - would anyone buy the units? Or are Kenyans too beholden to brand names (HP, Toshiba etc)? - is this a camouflaged reinvention of the wheel? - are there times when other factors justify reinventing portions of a wheel? What factors might those be? Engadget's review @ http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/27/via-openbook-hands-on/ If the ICT Board and the Government are serious about kickstarting local this and that, perhaps they should be asking themselves such questions. Or have they already? It would be great if university courses modified the reference designs for a local context and published their results. Or at the very least modifying a simpler circuit board like the Arduino http://www.arduino.cc/ (Wired has a good article about it @ http://www.wired.com/techbiz/startups/magazine/16-11/ff_openmanufacturing ). Saidi _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
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PS Ndemo would has the details since he is the one that introduced the UoN in-charge academician at the Wednesday event. Could write an intro email, if you want. On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 10:49 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
Very nice! I'm very curious about the project, do they have a website? A forum/mailing-list? If they harnessed the "wisdom of this crowd", the results might be very interesting. Saidi
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
I think our 'default' should not always be 'negative'. If you had attended the Digital Video Broadcast launch two days ago, then you would have found out that the University of Nairobi has embarked on local manufacture of "set top boxes" digital<-> analogue converters. The huge market being a sufficient reason justifying commercial viability.
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
This would be hard to sell in this mmarket
My 2 cents
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Saidi,
Just to thank you for the "knowledge value" I find in many of your posts.
Sincerely,
Alex
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:27 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
This is old news (the VIA OpenBook @ http://www.viaopenbook.com/), but it triggered some "new" questions in mind: - how feasible is it for a public-private-partnership (PPP) to setup a fabrication/assembly plant using the reference designs? - would the (eventual) cost be lower than off-the-shelf netbooks? - is the boost to the local knowledge economy worth the risks involved? - would anyone buy the units? Or are Kenyans too beholden to brand names (HP, Toshiba etc)? - is this a camouflaged reinvention of the wheel? - are there times when other factors justify reinventing portions of a wheel? What factors might those be? Engadget's review @ http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/27/via-openbook-hands-on/ If the ICT Board and the Government are serious about kickstarting local this and that, perhaps they should be asking themselves such questions. Or have they already? It would be great if university courses modified the reference designs for a local context and published their results. Or at the very least modifying a simpler circuit board like the Arduino http://www.arduino.cc/ (Wired has a good article about it
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That would be nice. Gracias! On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
PS Ndemo would has the details since he is the one that introduced the UoN in-charge academician at the Wednesday event. Could write an intro email, if you want.
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 10:49 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
Very nice! I'm very curious about the project, do they have a website? A forum/mailing-list? If they harnessed the "wisdom of this crowd", the results might be very interesting. Saidi
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com
wrote:
I think our 'default' should not always be 'negative'. If you had attended the Digital Video Broadcast launch two days ago, then you would have found out that the University of Nairobi has embarked on local manufacture of "set top boxes" digital<-> analogue converters. The huge market being a sufficient reason justifying commercial viability.
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <
ajochola@gmail.com>
wrote:
This would be hard to sell in this mmarket
My 2 cents
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Saidi,
Just to thank you for the "knowledge value" I find in many of your posts.
Sincerely,
Alex
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:27 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
This is old news (the VIA OpenBook @ http://www.viaopenbook.com/), but it triggered some "new" questions in mind: - how feasible is it for a public-private-partnership (PPP) to setup a fabrication/assembly plant using the reference designs? - would the (eventual) cost be lower than off-the-shelf netbooks? - is the boost to the local knowledge economy worth the risks involved? - would anyone buy the units? Or are Kenyans too beholden to brand names (HP, Toshiba etc)? - is this a camouflaged reinvention of the wheel? - are there times when other factors justify reinventing portions of a wheel? What factors might those be? Engadget's review @ http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/27/via-openbook-hands-on/ If the ICT Board and the Government are serious about kickstarting local this and that, perhaps they should be asking themselves such questions. Or have they already? It would be great if university courses modified the reference designs for a local context and published their results. Or at the very least modifying a simpler circuit board like the Arduino http://www.arduino.cc/(Wired has a good article about it
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