All, I have just received an email meant for someone else only difference between my address is a dot (.) character and Google insists its my address, and upon further check, I come across this articled - https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&ctx=mail&answer=10313# Google expressedly says they do not recognize the dot (.) character in any email address - Isn't this trying to re-write the rules that govern mail transmissions as covered in the RFC's, which specifically allows the dot (.) as a legitimate character? ./Ok3ch
Hi Okech, What GMail are saying is that both address (with and without the dot) are mapped to your account. You can sign in to your account using any of the following: signmein@gmail.com sign.me.in@gmail.com signme.in@gmail.com sign.mein@gmail.com All above point to signmein@gmail.com On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
All,
I have just received an email meant for someone else only difference between my address is a dot (.) character and Google insists its my address, and upon further check, I come across this articled - https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&ctx=mail&answer=10313# Google expressedly says they do not recognize the dot (.) character in any email address - Isn't this trying to re-write the rules that govern mail transmissions as covered in the RFC's, which specifically allows the dot (.) as a legitimate character?
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True, and that is my problem since in my experience with mail rfc's - all the 4 examples you have given are actually 4 different addresses and possibly 4 different persons. I once had a course in exim at Cambridge University and they gave exmples of how vast their mail systems and an example given was two different persons, say: Joe Don - email joe.don@xxx.com Jo Edon - email jo.edon@xxx.com And according to Google, all these are the same person! NOT RIGHT according to RFC's! ./Ok3ch On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
Hi Okech,
What GMail are saying is that both address (with and without the dot) are mapped to your account. You can sign in to your account using any of the following: signmein@gmail.com sign.me.in@gmail.com signme.in@gmail.com sign.mein@gmail.com All above point to signmein@gmail.com
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
All,
I have just received an email meant for someone else only difference between my address is a dot (.) character and Google insists its my address, and upon further check, I come across this articled - https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&ctx=mail&answer=10313# Google expressedly says they do not recognize the dot (.) character in any email address - Isn't this trying to re-write the rules that govern mail transmissions as covered in the RFC's, which specifically allows the dot (.) as a legitimate character?
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True, all the email address should be for different people. But Google just chooses to handle them like one. I guess it must be easier for them. However, Google Apps accounts to take into account the dot. On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
True, and that is my problem since in my experience with mail rfc's - all the 4 examples you have given are actually 4 different addresses and possibly 4 different persons. I once had a course in exim at Cambridge University and they gave exmples of how vast their mail systems and an example given was two different persons, say:
Joe Don - email joe.don@xxx.com Jo Edon - email jo.edon@xxx.com
And according to Google, all these are the same person! NOT RIGHT according to RFC's!
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
Hi Okech,
What GMail are saying is that both address (with and without the dot) are mapped to your account. You can sign in to your account using any of the following: signmein@gmail.com sign.me.in@gmail.com signme.in@gmail.com sign.mein@gmail.com All above point to signmein@gmail.com
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
All,
I have just received an email meant for someone else only difference between my address is a dot (.) character and Google insists its my address, and upon further check, I come across this articled -
https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&ctx=mail&answer=10313#
Google expressedly says they do not recognize the dot (.) character in any email address - Isn't this trying to re-write the rules that govern mail transmissions as covered in the RFC's, which specifically allows the dot (.) as a legitimate character?
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-- Regards
Brian Ngure
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Google has to make them the same person to avoid someone masquerading as you and using the dot to differentiate.
Makes sense. On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Google has to make them the same person to avoid someone masquerading as you and using the dot to differentiate. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
-- Regards Brian Ngure
Doesn't make sense to me - if you breaking RFC's - how come you say Goggle App's do recognize the dot and mail shouldn't because someone can masquerade as you on mail but not on apps? Re-writing rules simple because you have a challenge on implementing it, which I think is the case here, is not right for the whole universe! ./Ok3ch On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
Makes sense.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Google has to make them the same person to avoid someone masquerading as you and using the dot to differentiate. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
-- Regards
Brian Ngure
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Now this makes some sense to me. I think Google strips off everything before the dot and uses the remaining part of the prefix. I have always received e-mails addressed to *.odhiambo@gmail.com and always wondered. Google should be sued - only by those who pay for the e-mail services. For the free service users, I doubt anyone stands a chance. On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 15:05, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Doesn't make sense to me - if you breaking RFC's - how come you say Goggle App's do recognize the dot and mail shouldn't because someone can masquerade as you on mail but not on apps? Re-writing rules simple because you have a challenge on implementing it, which I think is the case here, is not right for the whole universe!
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
Makes sense.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Google has to make them the same person to avoid someone masquerading as you and using the dot to differentiate. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
-- Regards
Brian Ngure
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-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Now this makes some sense to me. I think Google strips off everything before the dot and uses the remaining part of the prefix. I have always received e-mails addressed to *.odhiambo@gmail.com and always wondered.
Are you certain? I think they only strip off the . which I think is acceptable - it is factored in when checking for available names. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_address#Syntax
Google should be sued - only by those who pay for the e-mail services. For the free service users, I doubt anyone stands a chance.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 15:05, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Doesn't make sense to me - if you breaking RFC's - how come you say Goggle App's do recognize the dot and mail shouldn't because someone can masquerade as you on mail but not on apps? Re-writing rules simple because you have a challenge on implementing it, which I think is the case here, is not right for the whole universe!
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
Makes sense.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Google has to make them the same person to avoid someone masquerading
as
you and using the dot to differentiate. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
-- Regards
Brian Ngure
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-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 18:19, One Murithi <o0murithi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Now this makes some sense to me. I think Google strips off everything before the dot and uses the remaining part of the prefix. I have always received e-mails addressed to *.odhiambo@gmail.com and always wondered.
Are you certain? I think they only strip off the . which I think is acceptable - it is factored in when checking for available names.
I have rcvd xyz.odhiambo@gmail.com which makes me think they strip all chars upto the first dot. Try sending mail to anything.odhiambo@gmail.com and test this out. Perhaps I am wron -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 18:19, One Murithi <o0murithi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Now this makes some sense to me. I think Google strips off everything before the dot and uses the remaining part of the prefix. I have always received e-mails addressed to *.odhiambo@gmail.com and always wondered.
Are you certain? I think they only strip off the . which I think is acceptable - it is factored in when checking for available names.
I have rcvd xyz.odhiambo@gmail.com which makes me think they strip all chars upto the first dot.
Try sending mail to anything.odhiambo@gmail.com and test this out. Perhaps I am wron
Tried with a different account - got a delivery failure.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:44, One Murithi <o0murithi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 18:19, One Murithi <o0murithi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com
wrote:
Now this makes some sense to me. I think Google strips off everything before the dot and uses the remaining part of the prefix. I have always received e-mails addressed to *.odhiambo@gmail.com and always wondered.
Are you certain? I think they only strip off the . which I think is acceptable - it is factored in when checking for available names.
I have rcvd xyz.odhiambo@gmail.com which makes me think they strip all chars upto the first dot.
Try sending mail to anything.odhiambo@gmail.com and test this out. Perhaps I am wron
Tried with a different account - got a delivery failure.
I tried it myself and got a failure too. So I think the cases where I got the e-mails had the senders change the addresses from whatever they were to odhiambo@gmail.com... Doesn't look like a Google problem unless I am getting more confused. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
They strip out the dot(s) and use the rest. Regard's Brian Ngure On 13 Sep 2011 18:19, "One Murithi" <o0murithi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com wrote:
Now this makes some sense to me. I think Google strips off everything before the dot and uses the remaining part of the prefix. I have always received e-mails addressed to *.odhiambo@gmail.com and always wondered.
Are you certain? I think they only strip off the . which I think is acceptable - it is factored in when checking for available names.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_address#Syntax
Google should be sued - only by those who pay for the e-mail services. For the free service users, I doubt anyone stands a chance.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 15:05, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Doesn't make sense to me - if you breaking RFC's - how come you say Goggle App's do recognize the dot and mail shouldn't because someone can masquerade as you on mail but not on apps? Re-writing rules simple because you have a challenge on implementing it, which I think is the case here, is not right for the whole universe!
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
Makes sense.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Google has to make them the same person to avoid someone masquerading
as
you and using the dot to differentiate. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
-- Regards
Brian Ngure
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-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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Washington, Its unfortunate that you received someone else email .. You should probably do something about it .. Have you thought of the converse .. he/she is also receiving YOUR emails .. On 13 September 2011 21:06, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
They strip out the dot(s) and use the rest.
Regard's
Brian Ngure
On 13 Sep 2011 18:19, "One Murithi" <o0murithi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com wrote:
Now this makes some sense to me. I think Google strips off everything before the dot and uses the remaining part of the prefix. I have always received e-mails addressed to *.odhiambo@gmail.com and always wondered.
Are you certain? I think they only strip off the . which I think is acceptable - it is factored in when checking for available names.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_address#Syntax
Google should be sued - only by those who pay for the e-mail services. For the free service users, I doubt anyone stands a chance.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 15:05, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Doesn't make sense to me - if you breaking RFC's - how come you say Goggle App's do recognize the dot and mail shouldn't because someone can masquerade as you on mail but not on apps? Re-writing rules simple because you have a challenge on implementing it, which I think is the case here, is not right for the whole universe!
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
Makes sense.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Google has to make them the same person to avoid someone
masquerading as
you and using the dot to differentiate. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
-- Regards
Brian Ngure
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-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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@Kibui, I actually always "do something about them" - depending on how important the content is. I strive to contact both the sender and the recipient to notify them on the anomaly. I've even gotten some threats in the process - by being told to read the stupid disclaimers that accompany the e-mails:) On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 09:01, Thomas Kibui <thomas.kibui@gmail.com> wrote:
Washington,
Its unfortunate that you received someone else email .. You should probably do something about it ..
Have you thought of the converse .. he/she is also receiving YOUR emails ..
On 13 September 2011 21:06, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
They strip out the dot(s) and use the rest.
Regard's
Brian Ngure
On 13 Sep 2011 18:19, "One Murithi" <o0murithi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Now this makes some sense to me. I think Google strips off everything before the dot and uses the remaining part of the prefix. I have always received e-mails addressed to *.odhiambo@gmail.com and always wondered.
Are you certain? I think they only strip off the . which I think is acceptable - it is factored in when checking for available names.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_address#Syntax
Google should be sued - only by those who pay for the e-mail services. For the free service users, I doubt anyone stands a chance.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 15:05, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Doesn't make sense to me - if you breaking RFC's - how come you say Goggle App's do recognize the dot and mail shouldn't because someone can masquerade as you on mail but not on apps? Re-writing rules simple because you have a challenge on implementing it, which I think is the case here, is not right for the whole universe!
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
Makes sense.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote: > > Google has to make them the same person to avoid someone masquerading as > you and using the dot to differentiate. > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke
-- Regards
Brian Ngure
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-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
We can speculate why this is so, does Google engineers have an issue dealing with the dot character? Or is it a case of just "we think this is the way it should be"? ./Ok3ch On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
@Kibui,
I actually always "do something about them" - depending on how important the content is. I strive to contact both the sender and the recipient to notify them on the anomaly. I've even gotten some threats in the process - by being told to read the stupid disclaimers that accompany the e-mails:)
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 09:01, Thomas Kibui <thomas.kibui@gmail.com>wrote:
Washington,
Its unfortunate that you received someone else email .. You should probably do something about it ..
Have you thought of the converse .. he/she is also receiving YOUR emails ..
On 13 September 2011 21:06, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
They strip out the dot(s) and use the rest.
Regard's
Brian Ngure
On 13 Sep 2011 18:19, "One Murithi" <o0murithi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Now this makes some sense to me. I think Google strips off everything before the dot and uses the remaining part of the prefix. I have always received e-mails addressed to *.odhiambo@gmail.com and always wondered.
Are you certain? I think they only strip off the . which I think is acceptable - it is factored in when checking for available names.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_address#Syntax
Google should be sued - only by those who pay for the e-mail services. For the free service users, I doubt anyone stands a chance.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 15:05, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Doesn't make sense to me - if you breaking RFC's - how come you say Goggle App's do recognize the dot and mail shouldn't because someone can masquerade as you on mail but not on apps? Re-writing rules simple because you have a challenge on implementing it, which I think is the case here, is not right for the whole universe!
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote: > Makes sense. > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Google has to make them the same person to avoid someone masquerading as >> you and using the dot to differentiate. >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > -- > Regards > > Brian Ngure > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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Does this mean to say google will allow john.doe@gmail.com to register even though there is a johndoe@gmail.com already registered? It would be chaotic if that is the case... On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
We can speculate why this is so, does Google engineers have an issue dealing with the dot character? Or is it a case of just "we think this is the way it should be"?
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
@Kibui,
I actually always "do something about them" - depending on how important the content is. I strive to contact both the sender and the recipient to notify them on the anomaly. I've even gotten some threats in the process - by being told to read the stupid disclaimers that accompany the e-mails:)
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 09:01, Thomas Kibui <thomas.kibui@gmail.com>wrote:
Washington,
Its unfortunate that you received someone else email .. You should probably do something about it ..
Have you thought of the converse .. he/she is also receiving YOUR emails ..
On 13 September 2011 21:06, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
They strip out the dot(s) and use the rest.
Regard's
Brian Ngure
On 13 Sep 2011 18:19, "One Murithi" <o0murithi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Now this makes some sense to me. I think Google strips off everything before the dot and uses the remaining part of the prefix. I have always received e-mails addressed to *.odhiambo@gmail.com and always wondered.
Are you certain? I think they only strip off the . which I think is acceptable - it is factored in when checking for available names.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_address#Syntax
Google should be sued - only by those who pay for the e-mail services. For the free service users, I doubt anyone stands a chance.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 15:05, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
> Doesn't make sense to me - if you breaking RFC's - how come you say > Goggle App's do recognize the dot and mail shouldn't because someone > can masquerade as you on mail but not on apps? Re-writing rules simple > because you have a challenge on implementing it, which I think is the > case here, is not right for the whole universe! > > ./Ok3ch > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote: > > Makes sense. > > > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Google has to make them the same person to avoid someone masquerading > as > >> you and using the dot to differentiate. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Skunkworks mailing list > >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > >> ------------ > >> Skunkworks Rules > >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > >> ------------ > >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards > > > > Brian Ngure > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Skunkworks mailing list > > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > > ------------ > > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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john.doe != johndoe and it's allowed to have those two as distinct cby RFCs, IIRC. On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:20, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote:
Does this mean to say google will allow john.doe@gmail.com to register even though there is a johndoe@gmail.com already registered?
It would be chaotic if that is the case...
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
We can speculate why this is so, does Google engineers have an issue dealing with the dot character? Or is it a case of just "we think this is the way it should be"?
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
@Kibui,
I actually always "do something about them" - depending on how important the content is. I strive to contact both the sender and the recipient to notify them on the anomaly. I've even gotten some threats in the process - by being told to read the stupid disclaimers that accompany the e-mails:)
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 09:01, Thomas Kibui <thomas.kibui@gmail.com>wrote:
Washington,
Its unfortunate that you received someone else email .. You should probably do something about it ..
Have you thought of the converse .. he/she is also receiving YOUR emails ..
On 13 September 2011 21:06, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
They strip out the dot(s) and use the rest.
Regard's
Brian Ngure
On 13 Sep 2011 18:19, "One Murithi" <o0murithi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
> Now this makes some sense to me. I think Google strips off everything > before the dot and uses the remaining part of the prefix. > I have always received e-mails addressed to *.odhiambo@gmail.comand > always wondered. >
Are you certain? I think they only strip off the . which I think is acceptable - it is factored in when checking for available names.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_address#Syntax
> Google should be sued - only by those who pay for the e-mail services. For > the free service users, I doubt anyone stands a chance. > > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 15:05, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Doesn't make sense to me - if you breaking RFC's - how come you say >> Goggle App's do recognize the dot and mail shouldn't because someone >> can masquerade as you on mail but not on apps? Re-writing rules simple >> because you have a challenge on implementing it, which I think is the >> case here, is not right for the whole universe! >> >> ./Ok3ch >> >> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote: >> > Makes sense. >> > >> > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Google has to make them the same person to avoid someone masquerading >> as >> >> you and using the dot to differentiate. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Skunkworks mailing list >> >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> >> ------------ >> >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Regards >> > >> > Brian Ngure >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Skunkworks mailing list >> > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> > ------------ >> > Skunkworks Rules >> > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> > ------------ >> > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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And they claim john.doe == johndoe - This is utter nonsense and hope somebody with brains at Google is listening! They don't allow any objections as they have put it in their FAQ's as acceptable! ./Ok3ch On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
john.doe != johndoe and it's allowed to have those two as distinct cby RFCs, IIRC.
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:20, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote:
Does this mean to say google will allow john.doe@gmail.com to register even though there is a johndoe@gmail.com already registered?
It would be chaotic if that is the case...
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
We can speculate why this is so, does Google engineers have an issue dealing with the dot character? Or is it a case of just "we think this is the way it should be"?
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com
wrote:
@Kibui,
I actually always "do something about them" - depending on how important the content is. I strive to contact both the sender and the recipient to notify them on the anomaly. I've even gotten some threats in the process - by being told to read the stupid disclaimers that accompany the e-mails:)
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 09:01, Thomas Kibui <thomas.kibui@gmail.com>wrote:
Washington,
Its unfortunate that you received someone else email .. You should probably do something about it ..
Have you thought of the converse .. he/she is also receiving YOUR emails ..
On 13 September 2011 21:06, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
They strip out the dot(s) and use the rest.
Regard's
Brian Ngure
On 13 Sep 2011 18:19, "One Murithi" <o0murithi@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Now this makes some sense to me. I think Google strips off everything >> before the dot and uses the remaining part of the prefix. >> I have always received e-mails addressed to *.odhiambo@gmail.comand >> always wondered. >> > > Are you certain? I think they only strip off the . which I think is > acceptable - it is factored in when checking for available names. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_address#Syntax > > >> Google should be sued - only by those who pay for the e-mail services. For >> the free service users, I doubt anyone stands a chance. >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 15:05, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Doesn't make sense to me - if you breaking RFC's - how come you say >>> Goggle App's do recognize the dot and mail shouldn't because someone >>> can masquerade as you on mail but not on apps? Re-writing rules simple >>> because you have a challenge on implementing it, which I think is the >>> case here, is not right for the whole universe! >>> >>> ./Ok3ch >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote: >>> > Makes sense. >>> > >>> > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Google has to make them the same person to avoid someone masquerading >>> as >>> >> you and using the dot to differentiate. >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Skunkworks mailing list >>> >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> >> ------------ >>> >> Skunkworks Rules >>> >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> >> ------------ >>> >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Regards >>> > >>> > Brian Ngure >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Skunkworks mailing list >>> > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> > ------------ >>> > Skunkworks Rules >>> > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> > ------------ >>> > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> Nairobi,KE >> +254733744121/+254722743223 >> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >> I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. >> Please consider the environment before printing this email. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>
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Oketch, I think it is a matter of policy for google and not a question of following the RFC. That can happen when you are dominant. RFC are not cast in stone and would not be surprised if the RFC are modified to suit them when they advance a valid reason for doing so. regards Patrick
According to the RFC, dots are part of the email address. Very true. BUT, Google have decided, (maybe as as part of their internal management of email addresses), to ignore dots. It is their mail server/system. It is their prerogative. They can choose to ignore dots if they want, and guess what, they have. Maybe it was easier for them to manage that way when they set it up. Who cares. Bottom line, if you registered as john.doe@gmail.com all these addresses are yours: john.doe@gmail.com johndoe@gmail.com jo.hn.do.e@gmail.com johndo.e@gmail.com j.o.h.n.d.o.e@gmail.com etc... Oh, and by the way, a great many mail servers do NOT follow all the specifications in the RFC. On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
And they claim john.doe == johndoe - This is utter nonsense and hope somebody with brains at Google is listening! They don't allow any objections as they have put it in their FAQ's as acceptable!
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
john.doe != johndoe and it's allowed to have those two as distinct cby RFCs, IIRC.
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:20, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote:
Does this mean to say google will allow john.doe@gmail.com to register even though there is a johndoe@gmail.com already registered?
It would be chaotic if that is the case...
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
We can speculate why this is so, does Google engineers have an issue dealing with the dot character? Or is it a case of just "we think this is the way it should be"?
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
@Kibui,
I actually always "do something about them" - depending on how important the content is. I strive to contact both the sender and the recipient to notify them on the anomaly. I've even gotten some threats in the process - by being told to read the stupid disclaimers that accompany the e-mails:)
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 09:01, Thomas Kibui <thomas.kibui@gmail.com>wrote:
Washington,
Its unfortunate that you received someone else email .. You should probably do something about it ..
Have you thought of the converse .. he/she is also receiving YOUR emails ..
On 13 September 2011 21:06, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
> They strip out the dot(s) and use the rest. > > Regard's > > Brian Ngure > On 13 Sep 2011 18:19, "One Murithi" <o0murithi@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Odhiambo Washington < > odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote: > > > >> Now this makes some sense to me. I think Google strips off > everything > >> before the dot and uses the remaining part of the prefix. > >> I have always received e-mails addressed to *.odhiambo@gmail.comand > >> always wondered. > >> > > > > Are you certain? I think they only strip off the . which I think is > > acceptable - it is factored in when checking for available names. > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_address#Syntax > > > > > >> Google should be sued - only by those who pay for the e-mail > services. For > >> the free service users, I doubt anyone stands a chance. > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 15:05, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >>> Doesn't make sense to me - if you breaking RFC's - how come you > say > >>> Goggle App's do recognize the dot and mail shouldn't because > someone > >>> can masquerade as you on mail but not on apps? Re-writing rules > simple > >>> because you have a challenge on implementing it, which I think is > the > >>> case here, is not right for the whole universe! > >>> > >>> ./Ok3ch > >>> > >>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> > wrote: > >>> > Makes sense. > >>> > > >>> > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Dennis Kioko < > dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> Google has to make them the same person to avoid someone > masquerading > >>> as > >>> >> you and using the dot to differentiate. > >>> >> _______________________________________________ > >>> >> Skunkworks mailing list > >>> >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > >>> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > >>> >> ------------ > >>> >> Skunkworks Rules > >>> >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > >>> >> ------------ > >>> >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > -- > >>> > Regards > >>> > > >>> > Brian Ngure > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > Skunkworks mailing list > >>> > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > >>> > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > >>> > ------------ > >>> > Skunkworks Rules > >>> > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > >>> > ------------ > >>> > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Skunkworks mailing list > >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > >>> ------------ > >>> Skunkworks Rules > >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > >>> ------------ > >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Best regards, > >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > >> Nairobi,KE > >> +254733744121/+254722743223 > >> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > >> I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. > >> Please consider the environment before printing this email. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Skunkworks mailing list > >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > >> ------------ > >> Skunkworks Rules > >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > >> ------------ > >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > >> > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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@Patrick & @Brian - You clearly do not know the reason why there are RFC's and people take a lot of their time formulating these RFC's - Google as a believer in observing standards should be the last to break them - I think you should sit down and really read why these RFC's are formulated. When M$ breaks mail RFC's, everyone is up in arms and call them all manner of names - The basic ideas of RFC's is to enable interoperability & when one company shouts so loud when someone breaks RFC's, am amazed when the same company breaks them. Breaking RFC's can actually lead to the internet stopping to work, please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Request_for_Comments before you defend anyone breaking RFC's! ./Ok3ch On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
According to the RFC, dots are part of the email address. Very true.
BUT, Google have decided, (maybe as as part of their internal management of email addresses), to ignore dots. It is their mail server/system. It is their prerogative. They can choose to ignore dots if they want, and guess what, they have. Maybe it was easier for them to manage that way when they set it up. Who cares.
Bottom line, if you registered as john.doe@gmail.com all these addresses are yours:
john.doe@gmail.com johndoe@gmail.com jo.hn.do.e@gmail.com johndo.e@gmail.com j.o.h.n.d.o.e@gmail.com etc...
Oh, and by the way, a great many mail servers do NOT follow all the specifications in the RFC.
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
And they claim john.doe == johndoe - This is utter nonsense and hope somebody with brains at Google is listening! They don't allow any objections as they have put it in their FAQ's as acceptable!
./Ok3ch
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wrote:
john.doe != johndoe and it's allowed to have those two as distinct cby RFCs, IIRC.
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:20, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote:
Does this mean to say google will allow john.doe@gmail.com to register even though there is a johndoe@gmail.com already registered?
It would be chaotic if that is the case...
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com>wrote:
We can speculate why this is so, does Google engineers have an issue dealing with the dot character? Or is it a case of just "we think this is the way it should be"?
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
@Kibui,
I actually always "do something about them" - depending on how important the content is. I strive to contact both the sender and the recipient to notify them on the anomaly. I've even gotten some threats in the process - by being told to read the stupid disclaimers that accompany the e-mails:)
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 09:01, Thomas Kibui <thomas.kibui@gmail.com>wrote:
> Washington, > > Its unfortunate that you received someone else email .. You should > probably do something about it .. > > Have you thought of the converse .. he/she is also receiving YOUR > emails .. > > > > > On 13 September 2011 21:06, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote: > >> They strip out the dot(s) and use the rest. >> >> Regard's >> >> Brian Ngure >> On 13 Sep 2011 18:19, "One Murithi" <o0murithi@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Odhiambo Washington < >> odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote: >> > >> >> Now this makes some sense to me. I think Google strips off >> everything >> >> before the dot and uses the remaining part of the prefix. >> >> I have always received e-mails addressed to *.odhiambo@gmail.comand >> >> always wondered. >> >> >> > >> > Are you certain? I think they only strip off the . which I think >> is >> > acceptable - it is factored in when checking for available names. >> > >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_address#Syntax >> > >> > >> >> Google should be sued - only by those who pay for the e-mail >> services. For >> >> the free service users, I doubt anyone stands a chance. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 15:05, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Doesn't make sense to me - if you breaking RFC's - how come you >> say >> >>> Goggle App's do recognize the dot and mail shouldn't because >> someone >> >>> can masquerade as you on mail but not on apps? Re-writing rules >> simple >> >>> because you have a challenge on implementing it, which I think >> is the >> >>> case here, is not right for the whole universe! >> >>> >> >>> ./Ok3ch >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> >> wrote: >> >>> > Makes sense. >> >>> > >> >>> > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Dennis Kioko < >> dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Google has to make them the same person to avoid someone >> masquerading >> >>> as >> >>> >> you and using the dot to differentiate. >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >>> >> Skunkworks mailing list >> >>> >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> >>> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> >>> >> ------------ >> >>> >> Skunkworks Rules >> >>> >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> >>> >> ------------ >> >>> >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > -- >> >>> > Regards >> >>> > >> >>> > Brian Ngure >> >>> > >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >> >>> > Skunkworks mailing list >> >>> > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> >>> > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> >>> > ------------ >> >>> > Skunkworks Rules >> >>> > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> >>> > ------------ >> >>> > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >>> > >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Skunkworks mailing list >> >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> >>> ------------ >> >>> Skunkworks Rules >> >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> >>> ------------ >> >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Best regards, >> >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> >> Nairobi,KE >> >> +254733744121/+254722743223 >> >> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >> >> I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. >> >> Please consider the environment before printing this email. >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Skunkworks mailing list >> >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> >> ------------ >> >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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Oketch, " Google as a believer in observing standards should be the last to break them " Clearly they are not. Like I said before hapana hakuna 'haki yetu'. it is not like they are ignorant of the standards but clearly they have chosen to go against them. So as a dominant player they will have their way if they have not. Ok.etch and Oketch to be different user is not good for ease of use of the system. Not every user of the mail system has the advanced skills that you have and I presuppose that they have conveniently chosen to disregard that RFC cause it does not advance their interests. Maybe google will advance their own reasons but these are just but my opinions. regards Patrick
I gave you guyz a perfect example, 2 people Mr. Joe Don <joe.don@gmail.com> & Ms. Jo Edon <jo.edon@gmail.com> - 2 different people so the fact that you relocating the dot being not good is not sellable. Google as a player has decided to implement this on their system, and I do not refute that, but clearly its not right, and that is my point! ./Ok3ch On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Patrick Karanja <wabethi@gmail.com> wrote:
Oketch, " Google as a believer in observing standards should be the last to break them " Clearly they are not. Like I said before hapana hakuna 'haki yetu'. it is not like they are ignorant of the standards but clearly they have chosen to go against them. So as a dominant player they will have their way if they have not. Ok.etch and Oketch to be different user is not good for ease of use of the system. Not every user of the mail system has the advanced skills that you have and I presuppose that they have conveniently chosen to disregard that RFC cause it does not advance their interests.
Maybe google will advance their own reasons but these are just but my opinions.
regards Patrick
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Maybe then what google should have done is tell Ms. Jo Edon that jo.edon@gmail (and all possible combinations of the address + dot) is already taken and therefore the issue of multiple emails will not arise. This is a very big weakness, imho. So in the case of joe.don@gmail.com and jo.edon@gmail.com, who is the rightful recipient of emails sent to either? On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
I gave you guyz a perfect example, 2 people Mr. Joe Don <joe.don@gmail.com> & Ms. Jo Edon <jo.edon@gmail.com> - 2 different people so the fact that you relocating the dot being not good is not sellable. Google as a player has decided to implement this on their system, and I do not refute that, but clearly its not right, and that is my point!
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Patrick Karanja <wabethi@gmail.com> wrote:
Oketch, " Google as a believer in observing standards should be the last to break them " Clearly they are not. Like I said before hapana hakuna 'haki yetu'. it is not like they are ignorant of the standards but clearly they have chosen to go against them. So as a dominant player they will have their way if they have not. Ok.etch and Oketch to be different user is not good for ease of use of the system. Not every user of the mail system has the advanced skills that you have and I presuppose that they have conveniently chosen to disregard that RFC cause it does not advance their interests.
Maybe google will advance their own reasons but these are just but my opinions.
regards Patrick
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But Google does inform you. Try create a new account with your email address but put a dot somewhere. You will be told the name is not available. On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Mr. Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe then what google should have done is tell Ms. Jo Edon that jo.edon@gmail (and all possible combinations of the address + dot) is already taken and therefore the issue of multiple emails will not arise.
This is a very big weakness, imho. So in the case of joe.don@gmail.com and jo.edon@gmail.com, who is the rightful recipient of emails sent to either?
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
I gave you guyz a perfect example, 2 people Mr. Joe Don <joe.don@gmail.com> & Ms. Jo Edon <jo.edon@gmail.com> - 2 different people so the fact that you relocating the dot being not good is not sellable. Google as a player has decided to implement this on their system, and I do not refute that, but clearly its not right, and that is my point!
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Patrick Karanja <wabethi@gmail.com> wrote:
Oketch, " Google as a believer in observing standards should be the last to break them " Clearly they are not. Like I said before hapana hakuna 'haki yetu'. it is not like they are ignorant of the standards but clearly they have chosen to go against them. So as a dominant player they will have their way if they have not. Ok.etch and Oketch to be different user is not good for ease of use of the system. Not every user of the mail system has the advanced skills that you have and I presuppose that they have conveniently chosen to disregard that RFC cause it does not advance their interests.
Maybe google will advance their own reasons but these are just but my opinions.
regards Patrick
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Now this is the point where techies miss the point. See, Gmail is a popular email system, and they serve masses who have no idea about the differences between jo.edoe@gmail.com , joe.doe@gmail.com and joedoe@gmail.com. The confusion arising from the use of the three would be far more complex to handle than the techies angered by the lack of use of the standard. In a company, it can be honoured, for a global provider , it is better to disregard it. Also most firms hose to ignore the use of a + in email addresses while Google honours it .
@Dennis Well put On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Now this is the point where techies miss the point. See, Gmail is a popular email system, and they serve masses who have no idea about the differences between jo.edoe@gmail.com , joe.doe@gmail.com and joedoe@gmail.com. The confusion arising from the use of the three would be far more complex to handle than the techies angered by the lack of use of the standard.
In a company, it can be honoured, for a global provider , it is better to disregard it.
Also most firms hose to ignore the use of a + in email addresses while Google honours it .
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@Dennis - when you do several iterations with email, then you will know why this is not good for the life of email itself. Say for example, am a mail admin for xyz.com & would like to sign up for paid backup services from Google on the same, and internally, I have these addresses which I would like to do some address rewriting to xyz.com which is paid hosted by google, what do I do? - This is just 1 example, and in my every life with email (last 10 years or so) I encounter these scenarios day in day out, and while at one iteration, I stumbled on this. The fact that I can chose another provider is not out of question, but knowing that someone is breaking email is not so nice! ./Ok3ch On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Now this is the point where techies miss the point. See, Gmail is a popular email system, and they serve masses who have no idea about the differences between jo.edoe@gmail.com , joe.doe@gmail.com and joedoe@gmail.com. The confusion arising from the use of the three would be far more complex to handle than the techies angered by the lack of use of the standard. In a company, it can be honoured, for a global provider , it is better to disregard it.
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@Okech As I had said earlier, Google apps DOES take into account the dots (presumably for this very reason). It is only the GMail accounts that ignore the dots. On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Dennis - when you do several iterations with email, then you will know why this is not good for the life of email itself.
Say for example, am a mail admin for xyz.com & would like to sign up for paid backup services from Google on the same, and internally, I have these addresses which I would like to do some address rewriting to xyz.com which is paid hosted by google, what do I do? -
This is just 1 example, and in my every life with email (last 10 years or so) I encounter these scenarios day in day out, and while at one iteration, I stumbled on this. The fact that I can chose another provider is not out of question, but knowing that someone is breaking email is not so nice!
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Now this is the point where techies miss the point. See, Gmail is a popular email system, and they serve masses who have no idea about the differences between jo.edoe@gmail.com , joe.doe@gmail.com and joedoe@gmail.com. The confusion arising from the use of the three would be far more complex to handle than the techies angered by the lack of use of the standard. In a company, it can be honoured, for a global provider , it is better to disregard it.
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@Brian, just tested and it does take into account the dot which is a plus, and still advances my theory, breaking RFC's on free service does not add up! Maybe am having this discussion with the wrong crowd since my aim is to show non-compliance to RFC's and your aim is to get mail delivered (hacker vs. user?). What most admins do is that when you break RFC's, your mail to the system if it needs to be helped will be dev nulled and no questions asked, thats why its good practice to follow the RFC's. Just like most have pointed earlier, the admin will be in trouble with his users since all the users care about is mail being delivered. ./Ok3ch On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
@Okech As I had said earlier, Google apps DOES take into account the dots (presumably for this very reason). It is only the GMail accounts that ignore the dots.
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Dennis - when you do several iterations with email, then you will know why this is not good for the life of email itself.
Say for example, am a mail admin for xyz.com & would like to sign up for paid backup services from Google on the same, and internally, I have these addresses which I would like to do some address rewriting to xyz.com which is paid hosted by google, what do I do? -
This is just 1 example, and in my every life with email (last 10 years or so) I encounter these scenarios day in day out, and while at one iteration, I stumbled on this. The fact that I can chose another provider is not out of question, but knowing that someone is breaking email is not so nice!
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Now this is the point where techies miss the point. See, Gmail is a popular email system, and they serve masses who have no idea about the differences between jo.edoe@gmail.com , joe.doe@gmail.com and joedoe@gmail.com. The confusion arising from the use of the three would be far more complex to handle than the techies angered by the lack of use of the standard. In a company, it can be honoured, for a global provider , it is better to disregard it.
Also most firms hose to ignore the use of a + in email addresses while Google honours it . _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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@Okech I think it is clear to everyone that they are not complying with the RFC. However, the point I and a few others are trying to make is that there are a number of good reasons to do what they have done. The main one being the extremely large user base. In most companies, the sys admins create new mail accounts. They just tell the new users to change their passwords. So the case of /dev/null rarely if ever comes up. On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Brian, just tested and it does take into account the dot which is a plus, and still advances my theory, breaking RFC's on free service does not add up! Maybe am having this discussion with the wrong crowd since my aim is to show non-compliance to RFC's and your aim is to get mail delivered (hacker vs. user?). What most admins do is that when you break RFC's, your mail to the system if it needs to be helped will be dev nulled and no questions asked, thats why its good practice to follow the RFC's. Just like most have pointed earlier, the admin will be in trouble with his users since all the users care about is mail being delivered.
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
@Okech As I had said earlier, Google apps DOES take into account the dots (presumably for this very reason). It is only the GMail accounts that ignore the dots.
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Dennis - when you do several iterations with email, then you will know why this is not good for the life of email itself.
Say for example, am a mail admin for xyz.com & would like to sign up for paid backup services from Google on the same, and internally, I have these addresses which I would like to do some address rewriting to xyz.com which is paid hosted by google, what do I do? -
This is just 1 example, and in my every life with email (last 10 years or so) I encounter these scenarios day in day out, and while at one iteration, I stumbled on this. The fact that I can chose another provider is not out of question, but knowing that someone is breaking email is not so nice!
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Now this is the point where techies miss the point. See, Gmail is a popular email system, and they serve masses who have no idea about the differences between jo.edoe@gmail.com , joe.doe@gmail.com and joedoe@gmail.com.
The
confusion arising from the use of the three would be far more complex to handle than the techies angered by the lack of use of the standard. In a company, it can be honoured, for a global provider , it is better to disregard it.
Also most firms hose to ignore the use of a + in email addresses while Google honours it . _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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Brian Ngure
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They arent violating the RFC : "" Character . (dot, period, full stop) provided that it is not the first or last character, and provided also that it does not appear two or more times consecutively (e.g. John..Doe@example.com). "" They are merely mapping every instance of the address with a dot in between to the first subcriber : subscriber : john.doe@example.com all other valid email addresses with dots in between the same alphabetical combination are mapped to john.doe@example.com (e.g. j.ohndoe@example.com, j.o.h.ndoe@example.com ) On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Brian, just tested and it does take into account the dot which is a plus, and still advances my theory, breaking RFC's on free service does not add up! Maybe am having this discussion with the wrong crowd since my aim is to show non-compliance to RFC's and your aim is to get mail delivered (hacker vs. user?). What most admins do is that when you break RFC's, your mail to the system if it needs to be helped will be dev nulled and no questions asked, thats why its good practice to follow the RFC's. Just like most have pointed earlier, the admin will be in trouble with his users since all the users care about is mail being delivered.
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
@Okech As I had said earlier, Google apps DOES take into account the dots (presumably for this very reason). It is only the GMail accounts that ignore the dots.
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Dennis - when you do several iterations with email, then you will know why this is not good for the life of email itself.
Say for example, am a mail admin for xyz.com & would like to sign up for paid backup services from Google on the same, and internally, I have these addresses which I would like to do some address rewriting to xyz.com which is paid hosted by google, what do I do? -
This is just 1 example, and in my every life with email (last 10 years or so) I encounter these scenarios day in day out, and while at one iteration, I stumbled on this. The fact that I can chose another provider is not out of question, but knowing that someone is breaking email is not so nice!
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Now this is the point where techies miss the point. See, Gmail is a popular email system, and they serve masses who have no idea about the differences between jo.edoe@gmail.com , joe.doe@gmail.com and joedoe@gmail.com. The confusion arising from the use of the three would be far more complex to handle than the techies angered by the lack of use of the standard. In a company, it can be honoured, for a global provider , it is better to disregard it.
Also most firms hose to ignore the use of a + in email addresses while Google honours it . _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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Goog;e is Google but Window s is windows (Mail exchange) On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:23 AM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info> wrote:
They arent violating the RFC :
"" Character . (dot, period, full stop) provided that it is not the first or last character, and provided also that it does not appear two or more times consecutively (e.g. John..Doe@example.com). ""
They are merely mapping every instance of the address with a dot in between to the first subcriber :
subscriber : john.doe@example.com
all other valid email addresses with dots in between the same alphabetical combination are mapped to john.doe@example.com (e.g. j.ohndoe@example.com, j.o.h.ndoe@example.com )
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Brian, just tested and it does take into account the dot which is a plus, and still advances my theory, breaking RFC's on free service does not add up! Maybe am having this discussion with the wrong crowd since my aim is to show non-compliance to RFC's and your aim is to get mail delivered (hacker vs. user?). What most admins do is that when you break RFC's, your mail to the system if it needs to be helped will be dev nulled and no questions asked, thats why its good practice to follow the RFC's. Just like most have pointed earlier, the admin will be in trouble with his users since all the users care about is mail being delivered.
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
@Okech As I had said earlier, Google apps DOES take into account the dots (presumably for this very reason). It is only the GMail accounts that ignore the dots.
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Dennis - when you do several iterations with email, then you will know why this is not good for the life of email itself.
Say for example, am a mail admin for xyz.com & would like to sign up for paid backup services from Google on the same, and internally, I have these addresses which I would like to do some address rewriting to xyz.com which is paid hosted by google, what do I do? -
This is just 1 example, and in my every life with email (last 10 years or so) I encounter these scenarios day in day out, and while at one iteration, I stumbled on this. The fact that I can chose another provider is not out of question, but knowing that someone is breaking email is not so nice!
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com>
wrote:
Now this is the point where techies miss the point. See, Gmail is a popular email system, and they serve masses who have no idea about the differences between jo.edoe@gmail.com , joe.doe@gmail.com and joedoe@gmail.com. The confusion arising from the use of the three would be far more complex to handle than the techies angered by the lack of use of the standard. In a company, it can be honoured, for a global provider , it is better to disregard it.
Also most firms hose to ignore the use of a + in email addresses while Google honours it . _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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Brian Ngure -
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