Hehehe !!! New standard, indeed... See this, this is a new anv very clever technic; the guy got an interview in all major NY advertising companies. It's now the "Google Job Experiment" "Google yourself is a lot of fun, hiring me is fun too" http://www.neatorama.com/2010/05/13/man-uses-google-rankings-to-get-a-job/ On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Lawrence Kago <lawrencekago@gmail.com>wrote:

U must be kidding...

Give him/her the vacancy :)

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:33 AM, [watchman] <skunkingrahim@gmail.com>wrote:

...

I got this in mail today.

Confused royally about what our standards are these days when getting application letters. Does this work for anyone?

*am XXXXXX am a student at nairobits digital school of design am looking for an internship in your company.for more info u can contact me on ma cell phone number 071XXXXXXX or through ma email XXXXXX@yahoo.com am really looking to hear from you yours XXXXXX. * -- watchman

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Ok. Stop on the Nairobits application. I was really under the impression that this was some spoilt kid thinking he had the need to be employed. I had no idea. Please forgive my ignorance. Will make sure i do give him a shot. Thank you all for your info. I had no idea it was a rehab inst. for the Underpriv. of our society. watchman On 6/28/10 11:26 AM, Simon Mbuthia wrote:

I believe the applicant is serious... but just ignorant. I guess the onus is on our local tertiary institutions to train their students on these matters, although they should also take the initiative to learn by themselves how to go about drafting such letters.

Me

On 28 June 2010 10:42, TheBigBoss <thebigboss@peperuka.com <mailto:thebigboss@peperuka.com>> wrote:

Hehehe !!!

New standard, indeed... See this, this is a new anv very clever technic; the guy got an interview in all major NY advertising companies. It's now the "Google Job Experiment"

"Google yourself is a lot of fun, hiring me is fun too"

http://www.neatorama.com/2010/05/13/man-uses-google-rankings-to-get-a-job/

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Lawrence Kago <lawrencekago@gmail.com <mailto:lawrencekago@gmail.com>> wrote:

U must be kidding...

Give him/her the vacancy :)

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:33 AM, [watchman] <skunkingrahim@gmail.com <mailto:skunkingrahim@gmail.com>> wrote:

I got this in mail today.

Confused royally about what our standards are these days when getting application letters. Does this work for anyone?

*am XXXXXX am a student at nairobits digital school of design am looking for an internship in your company.for more info u can contact me on ma cell phone number 071XXXXXXX or through ma email XXXXXX@yahoo.com <mailto:XXXXXX@yahoo.com> am really looking to hear from you yours XXXXXX. * -- watchman

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I am really offended by the criticism on the Nairobits Student being an ex graduate myself. You have no idea. No idea at all what Nairobits does and the lives that have been impacted. -- Regards Martin

Matter of fact. Take me off this List.

Crystal, Hi? It would be great if you shared some web resources. Alvin Ochieng Corporate Account Manager GREENLINE TECHNOLOGY LIMITED P.O Box 61895-00200 NAIROBI ''IT HARDWARE & SOFTWARE SOLUTIONS'' GMAIL 24 HOUR - ajochola@gmail.com TEL - 020-651755 / 552086 FAX: - 020-552086 CELL PERSONAL:0722-313923 / 0733-313923 OFFICE - 0722-219938 /0733-610758 info@greenline.co.ke On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Ngũgĩ Kĩmani <ngugi@mafundi.co.ke> wrote:

Techies are known to be *arrogant*, for lack of a better word.

I think the applicant is trying to appear simple, that it is the tech-brain that matters, not the application-writing-brain.

My thoughts.

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On 28 June 2010 12:19, Crystal Watley Kigoni <crystal@voicesofafrica.org> wrote:

...

I love the work Nairobit does, sincerely, but this issue of not writing proper cover letters applies to many, many other youth regardless of background.

We recently decided to bring on some interns and were shocked with how unprofessional their applications were. As a matter of fact, we will be teaching it as a short course so after their internships they will have better chances to get hired.

To those young people who are looking for employment, cover letter writing isnt difficult. It is your first impression on how you sell yourself. There are many resources available on the web for reference.

Best,

Crystal

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Kariuki Martin <martinkariuki7@gmail.com> wrote:

...

I am really offended by the criticism on the Nairobits Student being an ex graduate myself. You have no idea. No idea at all what Nairobits does and the lives that have been impacted.

-- Regards Martin

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Here are a few resources: http://www.google.com/images?q=sample+cover+letters&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla... http://www.bestcoverletters.com/ http://jobsearch.about.com/od/coverlettersamples/a/coverlettsample.htm It is very simple to find samples and advice by using Google. Just type sample cover letters. Cover letters are important for any industry. It helps someone to decide whether or not to look at you CV or schedule an appointment with you. A good cover letter explains why you want to work with or for a particular organization and why you are uniquely suited for the position. I know techies often have a distaste for such verbosity, but in order to get taken seriously, it is often required. On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Ruth Were <nafuna@gmail.com> wrote:

No offense but I sincerely think that b4 you got the job you have or before you started what you are doing you must have written some sort of letter or b4 you sell your product say a system you need to write a documentation.

No matter how intelligent techies are they(we) all need to appreciate the fact that we need to know how to do some of these things.

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Ngũgĩ Kĩmani <ngugi@mafundi.co.ke>wrote:

...

Techies are known to be *arrogant*, for lack of a better word.

I think the applicant is trying to appear simple, that it is the tech-brain that matters, not the application-writing-brain.

My thoughts.

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On 28 June 2010 12:19, Crystal Watley Kigoni <crystal@voicesofafrica.org>wrote:

...

I love the work Nairobit does, sincerely, but this issue of not writing proper cover letters applies to many, many other youth regardless of background.

We recently decided to bring on some interns and were shocked with how unprofessional their applications were. As a matter of fact, we will be teaching it as a short course so after their internships they will have better chances to get hired.

To those young people who are looking for employment, cover letter writing isnt difficult. It is your first impression on how you sell yourself. There are many resources available on the web for reference.

Best,

Crystal

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Kariuki Martin < martinkariuki7@gmail.com> wrote:

...

I am really offended by the criticism on the Nairobits Student being an ex graduate myself. You have no idea. No idea at all what Nairobits does and the lives that have been impacted.

-- Regards Martin

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@kariuki I have heard of nairobits and the work they do is exemplary but writing a nice cover letter is important because the people hiring are more often than not not charitable and into business so training in comm skills would do good for the graduants. On 6/28/10, Kariuki Martin <martinkariuki7@gmail.com> wrote:

I agree, we should also appreciate the fact that we never got chased by a mob before or got shot at by the police. We should also appreciate that we never had to hustle for food while aged 10. Let's also appreciate having toilets, parents, clothes. You know. let's appreciate that! After appreciating all that, then we should appreciate "starndards" that are man made.

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@ Kariuki Martin, Wouldn't asking Nairobits to incorporate a CV/application letter writing into their programme be a better response? It will help them achieve their goals of giving the people they work with an opportunity to actualise their potential. Do not run away from this because not every employer knows about Nairobits and not all are on this list. Watchman's reaction is the typical reaction such a CV would generate. You have the link to Nairobits. Make it happen. On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Charles Negera <cnegera@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Kariuki Martin <martinkariuki7@gmail.com

...

wrote:

...

I agree, we should also appreciate the fact that we never got chased by a mob before or got shot at by the police. We should also appreciate that we never had to hustle for food while aged 10. Let's also appreciate having toilets, parents, clothes. You know. let's appreciate that! After appreciating all that, then we should appreciate "starndards" that are man made.

@Kariuki

Your English is up to par, yet you are a graduate of the same institution. How come?

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@Kariuki. I apologise again. I did not know and have not taken into consideration regarding what Nairobits does. To you because i have offended you, sorry. And i will hold no ill grudges to the application / any further application from there. watchman On 6/28/10 12:34 PM, Ngũgĩ Kĩmani wrote:

@Ruth: Yes, I agree with you, but the applicant doesn't seem to know this :)

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On 28 June 2010 12:27, Ruth Were <nafuna@gmail.com <mailto:nafuna@gmail.com>> wrote:

No offense but I sincerely think that b4 you got the job you have or before you started what you are doing you must have written some sort of letter or b4 you sell your product say a system you need to write a documentation.

No matter how intelligent techies are they(we) all need to appreciate the fact that we need to know how to do some of these things.

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Ngũgĩ Kĩmani <ngugi@mafundi.co.ke <mailto:ngugi@mafundi.co.ke>> wrote:

Techies are known to be *arrogant*, for lack of a better word.

I think the applicant is trying to appear simple, that it is the tech-brain that matters, not the application-writing-brain.

My thoughts.

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On 28 June 2010 12:19, Crystal Watley Kigoni <crystal@voicesofafrica.org <mailto:crystal@voicesofafrica.org>> wrote:

I love the work Nairobit does, sincerely, but this issue of not writing proper cover letters applies to many, many other youth regardless of background.

We recently decided to bring on some interns and were shocked with how unprofessional their applications were. As a matter of fact, we will be teaching it as a short course so after their internships they will have better chances to get hired.

To those young people who are looking for employment, cover letter writing isnt difficult. It is your first impression on how you sell yourself. There are many resources available on the web for reference.

Best,

Crystal

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Kariuki Martin <martinkariuki7@gmail.com <mailto:martinkariuki7@gmail.com>> wrote:

I am really offended by the criticism on the Nairobits Student being an ex graduate myself. You have no idea. No idea at all what Nairobits does and the lives that have been impacted.

-- Regards Martin

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Mr Kariuki, you are making this tooooooooooooo personal my friend No one is pelting anyone with stones, its just that a concern was raised on application letters and cv writing its just offering guidance to job seekers to improve in the said above skills coz they matter in job hunting :) On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Kariuki Martin <martinkariuki7@gmail.com>wrote:

Well. I will hold grudges. And I speak on behalf of a community that is Nairobits graduates. Bright minds filled with scars. You should have thought deeply before pelting stones at such minds. And we can speak English to all of you who keep writing nonsense that we are good designers but still lack in grammar. I read your email while headed to elite to purchase a mac. But now I realize that a mac couldn't have looked too well in my single house down in Dandora. So I won't buy it. I will have gone against standards. Such machines belong to a certain group of people. right? But, I promise you man, We will succeed. In this life or the next! _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet

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Mr Kariuki, you are holding grudges for nothing .... I believe everyone has a point Cover letter and CV writting needs to change regardless of your background, Maybe Nairobits should introduce that in their curriculum, its true they are doing a great job and if they do teach Resume writing and stuff like that then its that particular individual that is not professional ... I will give an example one day four of us applied the same job in Safcom so we did our CVs and forwarded them to the HR. Out of the four of us only I was called for the interview. We later reviewed with my friends why they never got the call and the answer was the cove letter and the CV, mind you we had the same qualifications and years of experience ... On 28 June 2010 13:14, pithon kamau <pitkag@gmail.com> wrote:

Mr Kariuki, you are making this tooooooooooooo personal my friend No one is pelting anyone with stones, its just that a concern was raised on application letters and cv writing its just offering guidance to job seekers to improve in the said above skills coz they matter in job hunting :)

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Kariuki Martin <martinkariuki7@gmail.com>wrote:

...

Well. I will hold grudges. And I speak on behalf of a community that is Nairobits graduates. Bright minds filled with scars. You should have thought deeply before pelting stones at such minds. And we can speak English to all of you who keep writing nonsense that we are good designers but still lack in grammar. I read your email while headed to elite to purchase a mac. But now I realize that a mac couldn't have looked too well in my single house down in Dandora. So I won't buy it. I will have gone against standards. Such machines belong to a certain group of people. right? But, I promise you man, We will succeed. In this life or the next! _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet

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Watson and Jared ur right !!! Guys dont realize how CVs are important...even the simple FORMAT !!! On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com> wrote:

@Kariuki, emancipate your  mind from your past. Whatever background you come from is not an excuse for being sloppy. The  world is so competitive that if you do not stand out from the initial contact you will never ever get a chance. If you keep thinking poor, you will remain poor, n if your buying a Macbook for status,then you need to think your priorities.

On 28 June 2010 14:18, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Mr Kariuki, you are holding grudges for nothing .... I believe everyone has a point Cover letter and CV writting needs to change regardless of your background, Maybe Nairobits should introduce that in their curriculum, its true they are doing a great job and if they do teach Resume writing and stuff like that then its that particular individual that is not professional  ... I will give an example one day four of us applied the same job in Safcom so we did our CVs and forwarded them to the HR. Out of the four of us only I was called for the interview. We later reviewed with my friends why they never got the call and the answer was the cove letter and the CV, mind you we had the same qualifications and years of experience ...

On 28 June 2010 13:14, pithon kamau <pitkag@gmail.com> wrote:

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Mr Kariuki, you are making this tooooooooooooo personal my friend No one is pelting anyone with stones, its just that a concern was raised on application letters and cv writing its just offering guidance to job seekers to improve in the said above skills coz they matter in job hunting :)

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Kariuki Martin <martinkariuki7@gmail.com> wrote:

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Well. I will hold grudges. And I speak on behalf of a community that is Nairobits graduates. Bright minds filled with scars. You should have thought deeply before pelting stones at such minds. And we can speak English to all of you who keep writing nonsense that we are good designers but still lack in grammar. I read your email while headed to elite to purchase a mac. But now I realize that a mac couldn't have looked too well in my single house down in Dandora. So I won't buy it. I will have gone against standards. Such machines belong to a certain group of people. right? But, I promise you man, We will succeed. In this life or the next! _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet

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By the way did you know one of the main challenges is being invited for the interview ... if you cant impress the employer to be at that point how are you going to prove to them you are skilled enough even if you are the best if you don't even get the interview ?? On 28 June 2010 15:26, Clement Ongera <cnongera@gmail.com> wrote:

@Watchman...Why would you apologize?

We just celebrated 47 years of independence and we are still fighting ignorance, at this age of Bing, Google, Ask, etc etc.

While in college I was told that the teacher gives you 20%, 80% is up to you to lookup, ask, reseach etc etc.

Coming from a poor or rich background and a graduate student from Nairobits, isn't an excuse to write such an "Introduction Letter".

The student should have at least asked what it entails to get a job and equip himself with the necessary tools to make sure that he at least writes a good "Introduction Letter".

To write a cover letter (Introduction Letter) like it was sent via SMS is....aaahhhhhhg! _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet

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Martin, You are really washing your dirty e-linen [;)] on a public forum... On 28 June 2010 13:09, Kariuki Martin <martinkariuki7@gmail.com> wrote:

Well. I will hold grudges. And I speak on behalf of a community that is Nairobits graduates. Bright minds filled with scars. You should have thought deeply before pelting stones at such minds. And we can speak English to all of you who keep writing nonsense that we are good designers but still lack in grammar. I read your email while headed to elite to purchase a mac. But now I realize that a mac couldn't have looked too well in my single house down in Dandora. So I won't buy it. I will have gone against standards. Such machines belong to a certain group of people. right? But, I promise you man, We will succeed. In this life or the next! _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet

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Martin, your achievements are well worthy of note but I think now you are just wallowing in self pity. Not very endearing! I am very involved with Nairobits and have seen the place grow since 2000 and even with the disadvantaged background that you or the Nairobits community may have experienced, you should not expect special treatment because of that. I know very many graduates of Nairobits that have excelled based on their skill and have grown in the industry as well, some more refined than others obviously but good grooming both in dress and manner is always a plus. As a business person my staff is my image to the world, how then shall I have a great designer that can hardly spell or communicate in English. How shall they take a brief and or communicate a concept to a customer? The point I hope am making is that it's one thing to come from a disadvantaged background and it's another to strive for excellence. I can tell you here and now, I cannot employ a guy simply because he is disadvantaged, (that falls under philanthropy) But I can assist a disadvantaged individual gain access to opportunity. The selection of that individual that knocks at my door (Amongst the 300+ others looking for similar opportunity ) will largely be determined by what 1st impression I get of them.... That's just life So finally, rather than hold grudges and try to justify mediocrity and self pity, may I encourage you to take note of the challenges you and your fellow graduates from Nairobits encounter in real life and be a mentor to them. I can tell from your eloquence that you are indeed not at the same level as the said applicant Kind regards, Paul From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Kariuki Martin Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 1:10 PM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Application letter My mistake, gone to far. Well. I will hold grudges. And I speak on behalf of a community that is Nairobits graduates. Bright minds filled with scars. You should have thought deeply before pelting stones at such minds. And we can speak English to all of you who keep writing nonsense that we are good designers but still lack in grammar. I read your email while headed to elite to purchase a mac. But now I realize that a mac couldn't have looked too well in my single house down in Dandora. So I won't buy it. I will have gone against standards. Such machines belong to a certain group of people. right? But, I promise you man, We will succeed. In this life or the next!

Hi Isaac and Martin What Paul is totally true , you cannot go to the job market and use your background as means to get jobs , instead sell your skills and make sure you give the best , i know people who have come from worse places and have beaten the odds , and if you met them back then you wont have guessed there situations they had the best CV , well presented themselves etc ...so if you go round throwing your background as an excuse honestly your not helping your self My thoughts ! On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 10:02 AM, isaac kinyanjui <kinyanjuiisaac@yahoo.com>wrote:

BiGGG Up martin(tonya) for the brave words,..am so much proud of nairobit(and am not writing this to justify ignorance,...infact the bible says that even God himself overlooks in time of ignorance,...i just realised that i was so luky coz i never wrote an application letter for my first job. .my work was prety cool and some design firm picked me from the class before i even graduated ... my pain goes far beyond this application letter menance..(i think the applicant was ignorant and only needed some grooming and guidance (not mimicking)..(yap,..i(we) know some companies are taking advantage of nairobits as a hub for free and cheap labour,.watch out!.(and my regards goes to dotsavvyafrica,wunderman,3 mice,squad digital,ushahidi,metrocomia.kenyaweb,creative edge ...for giving us a chance despite of our poor gramer(grandma)lol! and we have proved to be among the best in this competitive market...

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------------------------------ *From:* Paul Mwachi <paul@isys.co.ke> *To:* Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> *Sent:* Wed, June 30, 2010 12:34:49 PM *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Application letter My mistake, gone too far.

Martin, your achievements are well worthy of note but I think now you are just wallowing in self pity. Not very endearing!

I am very involved with Nairobits and have seen the place grow since 2000 and even with the disadvantaged background that you or the Nairobits community may have experienced, you should not expect special treatment because of that. I know very many graduates of Nairobits that have excelled based on their skill and have grown in the industry as well, some more refined than others obviously but good grooming both in dress and manner is always a plus.

As a business person my staff is my image to the world, how then shall I have a great designer that can hardly spell or communicate in English. How shall they take a brief and or communicate a concept to a customer? The point I hope am making is that it’s one thing to come from a disadvantaged background and it’s another to strive for excellence. I can tell you here and now, I cannot employ a guy simply because he is disadvantaged, (that falls under philanthropy) But I can assist a disadvantaged individual gain access to opportunity. The selection of that individual that knocks at my door (Amongst the 300+ others looking for similar opportunity ) will largely be determined by what 1st impression I get of them…. That’s just life

So finally, rather than hold grudges and try to justify mediocrity and self pity, may I encourage you to take note of the challenges you and your fellow graduates from Nairobits encounter in real life and be a mentor to them. I can tell from your eloquence that you are indeed not at the same level as the said applicant

Kind regards,

Paul

*From:* skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] *On Behalf Of *Kariuki Martin *Sent:* Monday, June 28, 2010 1:10 PM *To:* Skunkworks Mailing List *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Application letter My mistake, gone to far.

Well. I will hold grudges. And I speak on behalf of a community that is Nairobits graduates. Bright minds filled with scars. You should have thought deeply before pelting stones at such minds. And we can speak English to all of you who keep writing nonsense that we are good designers but still lack in grammar. I read your email while headed to elite to purchase a mac. But now I realize that a mac couldn't have looked too well in my single house down in Dandora. So I won't buy it. I will have gone against standards. Such machines belong to a certain group of people. right? But, I promise you man, We will succeed. In this life or the next!

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On 28 June 2010 10:26, Simon Mbuthia <simon.mbuthia@gmail.com> wrote:

I believe the applicant is serious... but just ignorant. I guess the onus is on our local tertiary institutions to train their students on these matters, although they should also take the initiative to learn by themselves how to go about drafting such letters.

My brief thoughts on this. 1. Nairobits is doing fantastic work. 2. Simon - you meant primary not tertiary right? Formal letter writing is a skill that should be taught in primary school not at tertiary level. Perhaps I am displaying my age here but I remember having to demonstrate the ability to write a formal letter as part of the internal ENTRANCE tests to secondary school. At the very least by the first year of high school you should know the format and structure of a formal letter. 3. Many people on this list work to raise standards in our country. One reason I find Skunkworks valuable is because it is full of patriots of one sort or the other. To assume that we demand certain standards because we do not understand the challenges many Kenyans go through every day is ridiculous and petty. It is because we know the challenges AND we know what the marketplace and indeed what LIFE will demand that we are determined to raise the standards across the board. Asking us to lower standards because of this or that is doing a disservice not only to those looking to employ but also to those who are seeking employment. 4. You need to know how to communicate effectively to get ahead and to seize the opportunities that come your way in life. You can rant all you want, you can request to be removed from any number of email lists, you can assume that people do not understand where you are coming from or what challenges you face but at the end of day you need to be able to communicate effectively. Formal writing is a skill that is essential not only in getting a job, but staying in a job. Not only in starting a company but growing the company. 5. As Crystal says, this is growing problem across many sectors of society. Remember a good covering letter and well formatted and presented CV used to be the STARTING point of a successful application. Now days these are slowly becoming the determining factor of an application. We think "well at least this guy can write a letter". Remember not even 10 years ago when we would be told what font, what font size, what size margins, what length an application should be submitted in? Forget that we did not even have computers with word processors at home - but we found a way to get to a machine with a word processor and submitted the applications to the exact specifications. Most of these applications were unsuccessful but hey you kept pressing on. So we are NOT asking these applicants to do anything we did not do ourselves. Perhaps Rahim can share with us the hoops he had to jump through to become an official Apple Reseller. Sawa - wacha I end there! -- Pamoja e:daudi.were@gmail.com <e%3Adaudi.were@gmail.com> skype: d.were

Well said Watchman - reminds of the saying "*never let tragedy go to waste*" Nick Wambugu On 30 June 2010 17:39, [watchman] <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:

@Daudi. I agree 100% with your points

I can't say i've had it the roughest. Or even state that i've had a bad life. I may not even know what that means or is about. In fact just day before yesterday i was sharing words with a friend ( also on this list ) who explained to me that a certain CEO emerged from Kibera. Kinda made me feel like i've amounted to nothing. However, what i will share is a brief encounter of my life so that i don't get judged again regarding my comment about the internship application.

My family is not and has never been of anything higher than lower class. And i state this quite clearly. We had always been "without" certain things but never felt the pinch.

My parents when i was younger had saved up a sum of money over ten years and *luckily*, a corrupt conman found out about this little stash of money that was lying in the bank from somewhere, eventually swindling my parents of it. A small property that once belonged to my family ( and i do mean small ) handed down from one generation as a legacy ( per-se ) was grabbed by undisclosed persons. And thus began a chapter in my story i'd like to call life.

It wasn't easy for my parents to conceal these truths from my brother any myself when we were younger but they did a damned good job of it. In order to keep our minds occupied and away from the constant battering of what they had to go through, ( this is my perspective ) my parents enrolled both myself and my brother to the Aga Khan Scouts. I never understood why he always asked for a subsidy on the cost our of camping or trips until i was able to understand the situation.

When i came of age, i took up a course at Aptech computer college and this not being my first choice , i went ahead and studied Web Application Dev't. After the course, i tool up an an apartment i rented @ Ksh 16,000. Got a job which paid me 10,000. and obviously had other overheads such as electricity, water and food plus i started a course in New Media which spanned 2 Years. Needless to say, it wasn't easy coming up with the money. Food at times was more a privilege over a necessity.

What i have done to survive, i hope no one has to. And i say this knowing full well that i haven't had it as bad as a lot of people i know.

I've worked with all sorts of individuals, some good, some not so good. I've worked for what i'd like to believe are the best of Employers and quite frankly, some of the Worst i can think of.

My story is long, and i'm writing about it too.

It's been 10 years since and i'm glad to say i've gotten as far as i have, it's been a very long walk but there's been a good shepherd beside be all through. ( i'm a believer )

@ Kariuki Martin. Please don't judge someone because you assumed things came easy to them or because they said something that offended you. What i did was surely not the best way of going around things, but to say that i'd be doing him a favor by hiring him is a lie. If he doesn't pick his socks up and get himself better written skills, it's not a walk in the park out there. take note of this :

*Bill Gates: * *If you think your teacher is tough, wait till you get a boss. He doesn't have tenure.

If you mess up,it's not your parents' fault, so don't whine about your mistakes, learn from them.* * Life is not divided into semesters. You don't get summers off and very few employers are interested in helping you find yourself. Do that on your own time.*

watchman

On 6/30/10 4:19 PM, Daudi Were wrote:

On 28 June 2010 10:26, Simon Mbuthia <simon.mbuthia@gmail.com> wrote:

...

I believe the applicant is serious... but just ignorant. I guess the onus is on our local tertiary institutions to train their students on these matters, although they should also take the initiative to learn by themselves how to go about drafting such letters.

My brief thoughts on this.

1. Nairobits is doing fantastic work.

2. Simon - you meant primary not tertiary right? Formal letter writing is a skill that should be taught in primary school not at tertiary level. Perhaps I am displaying my age here but I remember having to demonstrate the ability to write a formal letter as part of the internal ENTRANCE tests to secondary school. At the very least by the first year of high school you should know the format and structure of a formal letter.

3. Many people on this list work to raise standards in our country. One reason I find Skunkworks valuable is because it is full of patriots of one sort or the other. To assume that we demand certain standards because we do not understand the challenges many Kenyans go through every day is ridiculous and petty. It is because we know the challenges AND we know what the marketplace and indeed what LIFE will demand that we are determined to raise the standards across the board. Asking us to lower standards because of this or that is doing a disservice not only to those looking to employ but also to those who are seeking employment.

4. You need to know how to communicate effectively to get ahead and to seize the opportunities that come your way in life. You can rant all you want, you can request to be removed from any number of email lists, you can assume that people do not understand where you are coming from or what challenges you face but at the end of day you need to be able to communicate effectively. Formal writing is a skill that is essential not only in getting a job, but staying in a job. Not only in starting a company but growing the company.

5. As Crystal says, this is growing problem across many sectors of society. Remember a good covering letter and well formatted and presented CV used to be the STARTING point of a successful application. Now days these are slowly becoming the determining factor of an application. We think "well at least this guy can write a letter". Remember not even 10 years ago when we would be told what font, what font size, what size margins, what length an application should be submitted in? Forget that we did not even have computers with word processors at home - but we found a way to get to a machine with a word processor and submitted the applications to the exact specifications. Most of these applications were unsuccessful but hey you kept pressing on. So we are NOT asking these applicants to do anything we did not do ourselves. Perhaps Rahim can share with us the hoops he had to jump through to become an official Apple Reseller.

Sawa - wacha I end there!

-- Pamoja

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