I know after closing one loophole another one emerges, but that never was a reason to stay static in terms of policy. What I keep wondering and agonizing about is why so many good policies are never taken seriously. Today, good friends, I need to know why we should not be required to register for sim cards. Why do we continue this policy of giving fraudsters such a huge playing field to just buy and dispose after illegal use. Why oh why? Hon Bitange Ndemo and others who have access to the state machinery should know that crime is not only about changing the people at the top but should also avail more resources to them. You would be amazed how easier it would be to solve and track down most of the home based fraudsters out there. Anyone with the goodwill to push this regardless of what safaricom says (for selfish reasons) out there whom we can back up?
This is already being done. However, I don't think it will disuade fraudsters, currently they comfortably register for M-Pesa with fake ID's etc... On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 5:16 PM, kenne2ke <kenne2ke@gmail.com> wrote:
I know after closing one loophole another one emerges, but that never was a reason to stay static in terms of policy. What I keep wondering and agonizing about is why so many good policies are never taken seriously. Today, good friends, I need to know why we should not be required to register for sim cards. Why do we continue this policy of giving fraudsters such a huge playing field to just buy and dispose after illegal use. Why oh why? Hon Bitange Ndemo and others who have access to the state machinery should know that crime is not only about changing the people at the top but should also avail more resources to them. You would be amazed how easier it would be to solve and track down most of the home based fraudsters out there.
Anyone with the goodwill to push this regardless of what safaricom says (for selfish reasons) out there whom we can back up?
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I dont know whether you have been watching ntv news recently,thay were having these "jicho Pevu" kind of thing,dial a thief or something of sorts,where they have been tracking down the fraudsters who put adverts in newspapers and end up conning Kenyans in the name of jobs. Anyone who saw these?Am relating it to the above issue. On 24/09/2009, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
This is already being done. However, I don't think it will disuade fraudsters, currently they comfortably register for M-Pesa with fake ID's etc...
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 5:16 PM, kenne2ke <kenne2ke@gmail.com> wrote:
I know after closing one loophole another one emerges, but that never was a reason to stay static in terms of policy. What I keep wondering and agonizing about is why so many good policies are never taken seriously. Today, good friends, I need to know why we should not be required to register for sim cards. Why do we continue this policy of giving fraudsters such a huge playing field to just buy and dispose after illegal use. Why oh why? Hon Bitange Ndemo and others who have access to the state machinery should know that crime is not only about changing the people at the top but should also avail more resources to them. You would be amazed how easier it would be to solve and track down most of the home based fraudsters out there.
Anyone with the goodwill to push this regardless of what safaricom says (for selfish reasons) out there whom we can back up?
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Yep, I saw that. The programme is Dial-A-Convict, not Jicho Pevu. Reminds me of saying una M-Pesa ya Zain :D. On a serious note, there is a need to verify these adverts before a media house publishes them. People get fleeced of their hard earned money by some convict behind bars yet there is no law which guards against that. Registering of SIM cards only, does not stop thugs from perfecting their skills. A computerized verification of SIM cards and ID cards, should be synchronized with telcos database. Fake IDs are in the market, remember! On 25/09/2009, James Muendo <timrick@gmail.com> wrote:
I dont know whether you have been watching ntv news recently,thay were having these "jicho Pevu" kind of thing,dial a thief or something of sorts,where they have been tracking down the fraudsters who put adverts in newspapers and end up conning Kenyans in the name of jobs.
Anyone who saw these?Am relating it to the above issue.
On 24/09/2009, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
This is already being done. However, I don't think it will disuade fraudsters, currently they comfortably register for M-Pesa with fake ID's etc...
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 5:16 PM, kenne2ke <kenne2ke@gmail.com> wrote:
I know after closing one loophole another one emerges, but that never was a reason to stay static in terms of policy. What I keep wondering and agonizing about is why so many good policies are never taken seriously. Today, good friends, I need to know why we should not be required to register for sim cards. Why do we continue this policy of giving fraudsters such a huge playing field to just buy and dispose after illegal use. Why oh why? Hon Bitange Ndemo and others who have access to the state machinery should know that crime is not only about changing the people at the top but should also avail more resources to them. You would be amazed how easier it would be to solve and track down most of the home based fraudsters out there.
Anyone with the goodwill to push this regardless of what safaricom says (for selfish reasons) out there whom we can back up?
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-- With Regards,
Phares Kariuki
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-- James M. Muendo Timsoft Technologies & Solutions Ltd. P.O Box 28016 - 00200, Nairobi. Mobile: +254725567508 skype:tim.rick
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Yeah, I get your point...but it beats sitting back and being spectators. The first up is always legislation, and currently we don't have. the law making process is an ongoing thing even in the developed countries. Many a times the law making process has to react to the ongoings within the society. Availability of fake Certificates in the market does not mean our Universities will stop applying stringent measures for those who genuinly want to get certificates, does it? Same case here, regardless of riverroad's shady dealings, it should not mean that we should not follow suit and apply stringent measures to try and curb the insurgence of mobile phone fraudsters. Ensuring there is no fake ID's is an entirely different aspect of crime. I think that by enforcing such regulations we would see a significant decline in fraud especially those who are just opportunists. And that would be welcome by far, wouldn't it? Although it would mean a decline in fast sales for some providers, its wolth it. Plus, on a personal level I do hold to the belief that is is this love of money that is killing us slowly accross the board in every sector of our economy. Lets have the proper regulation and if it still doesn't work we will cross that bridge when we get there. On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Yep, I saw that. The programme is Dial-A-Convict, not Jicho Pevu. Reminds me of saying una M-Pesa ya Zain :D. On a serious note, there is a need to verify these adverts before a media house publishes them. People get fleeced of their hard earned money by some convict behind bars yet there is no law which guards against that. Registering of SIM cards only, does not stop thugs from perfecting their skills. A computerized verification of SIM cards and ID cards, should be synchronized with telcos database. Fake IDs are in the market, remember!
On 25/09/2009, James Muendo <timrick@gmail.com> wrote:
I dont know whether you have been watching ntv news recently,thay were having these "jicho Pevu" kind of thing,dial a thief or something of sorts,where they have been tracking down the fraudsters who put adverts in newspapers and end up conning Kenyans in the name of jobs.
Anyone who saw these?Am relating it to the above issue.
On 24/09/2009, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
This is already being done. However, I don't think it will disuade fraudsters, currently they comfortably register for M-Pesa with fake ID's etc...
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 5:16 PM, kenne2ke <kenne2ke@gmail.com> wrote:
I know after closing one loophole another one emerges, but that never
was
a reason to stay static in terms of policy. What I keep wondering and agonizing about is why so many good policies are never taken seriously. Today, good friends, I need to know why we should not be required to register for sim cards. Why do we continue this policy of giving fraudsters such a huge playing field to just buy and dispose after illegal use. Why oh why? Hon Bitange Ndemo and others who have access to the state machinery should know that crime is not only about changing the people at the top but should also avail more resources to them. You would be amazed how easier it would be to solve and track down most of the home based fraudsters out there.
Anyone with the goodwill to push this regardless of what safaricom says (for selfish reasons) out there whom we can back up?
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-- With Regards,
Phares Kariuki
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-- James M. Muendo Timsoft Technologies & Solutions Ltd. P.O Box 28016 - 00200, Nairobi. Mobile: +254725567508 skype:tim.rick
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Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all the same way to the side of a hill!
AND
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Inline responses 2009/9/25 kennedy waweru <kenne2ke@gmail.com>
Yeah, I get your point...but it beats sitting back and being spectators. The first up is always legislation, and currently we don't have. the law making process is an ongoing thing even in the developed countries. Many a times the law making process has to react to the ongoings within the society.
Okay let the ball start rolling. where do we, as the consumers start registering our SIM cards? I've not heard any of the telcos educating the masses on how to go about it. The presidential declaration was a stepping stone, but the road to the other side of the road is full of thistles. Availability of fake Certificates in the market does not mean our
Universities will stop applying stringent measures for those who genuinly want to get certificates, does it?
These fake certificates are what makes the universities apply stringent rules for admission of students. Had there been no such cases, then the so-called tough laws existing in our universities, would not be there!
Same case here, regardless of riverroad's shady dealings, it should not mean that we should not follow suit and apply stringent measures to try and curb the insurgence of mobile phone fraudsters. Ensuring there is no fake ID's is an entirely different aspect of crime.
What I meant by this is simply something like this. when you use the KRA online portal, say, type in your ID number, it brings as much information as you used when applying for the card, the same is when you check your PIN through the same portal. (This is the best I can think of right now) The mobile phone companies should, in my view, synchronize the users identity on their networks (whether using mobile money transfer or just a subscriber to the network) with the national bodies (e.g. National Registration Bureau). This would in a way reduce the case of fraud using a network. Interestingly, Safaricom is always on the receiving end whenever SIM scams are mentioned!
Lets have the proper regulation and if it still doesn't work we will cross that bridge when we get there.
Before crossing the bridge, let us see whether the river is crocodile infested (read fraudsters, pessimists, etc) and embark on building a bridge for safe landing to the other side! -- Solomon Mburu P.O. Box 19343 - 00202 Nairobi Cell: (+254-0) 735 431041 Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all the same way to the side of a hill! AND It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous generosity! blog: http://desires-and-dreams.blogspot.com
Well said bwana mburu...very well put. Only to add that the longer it takes to implement, the longer we will continue to suffer. By the time we analyze to see whether there are crocodiles in the river other new reptiles will have emerged. Technology is changing every minute, it won't wait for us as a country to take our sweet time in responding to crimes that other developed countries have responded to and are still finding loopholes to this day. The perfect legislation never was, the only closest thing is a retrospective one, dynamically responding to changing times and fast enough. Why seek to re-invent the wheel? Let's emulate at times what has been implemented in other countries with significant degree of success and talk as we walk. Yes, if there were no fake certs then the stringent rules would not be there, same thing...why are we lacking stringent rules in the telcos? if in the process, why so long? And just like you have put it, the solutions are here with us. Yes, there is nothing I can do on my own, but it begins somewhere, doesn't it? From small people pressure builds to the top. Good discussion my friend. On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
Inline responses
2009/9/25 kennedy waweru <kenne2ke@gmail.com>
Yeah, I get your point...but it beats sitting back and being spectators. The first up is always legislation, and currently we don't have. the law making process is an ongoing thing even in the developed countries. Many a times the law making process has to react to the ongoings within the society.
Okay let the ball start rolling. where do we, as the consumers start registering our SIM cards? I've not heard any of the telcos educating the masses on how to go about it. The presidential declaration was a stepping stone, but the road to the other side of the road is full of thistles.
Availability of fake Certificates in the market does not mean our
Universities will stop applying stringent measures for those who genuinly want to get certificates, does it?
These fake certificates are what makes the universities apply stringent rules for admission of students. Had there been no such cases, then the so-called tough laws existing in our universities, would not be there!
Same case here, regardless of riverroad's shady dealings, it should not mean that we should not follow suit and apply stringent measures to try and curb the insurgence of mobile phone fraudsters. Ensuring there is no fake ID's is an entirely different aspect of crime.
What I meant by this is simply something like this. when you use the KRA online portal, say, type in your ID number, it brings as much information as you used when applying for the card, the same is when you check your PIN through the same portal. (This is the best I can think of right now) The mobile phone companies should, in my view, synchronize the users identity on their networks (whether using mobile money transfer or just a subscriber to the network) with the national bodies (e.g. National Registration Bureau). This would in a way reduce the case of fraud using a network. Interestingly, Safaricom is always on the receiving end whenever SIM scams are mentioned!
Lets have the proper regulation and if it still doesn't work we will cross that bridge when we get there.
Before crossing the bridge, let us see whether the river is crocodile infested (read fraudsters, pessimists, etc) and embark on building a bridge for safe landing to the other side!
-- Solomon Mburu P.O. Box 19343 - 00202 Nairobi Cell: (+254-0) 735 431041
Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all the same way to the side of a hill!
AND
It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous generosity!
blog: http://desires-and-dreams.blogspot.com
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