Is the Difference between "and" & "or" significant?
Hello, Someone forwarded me the following email and I was wondering...Is the Difference between "and" & "or" significant? I ask this here since I believe a good number of you are coders... Message shown below:
** MORE CHANGES (AND ERRORS) FOUND IN PUBLISHED CONSTITUTION!!! ** Dear Kenyans, The events of the last few days got me a bit concerned when I realised that there were two (or more) proposed constitutions in circulation and we do not even know which version we will be voting for or voting against. Today, I decided to compare the draft passed by parliament to the one published by Wako on 6th May 2010. Keep in mind that the review organs had indicated that Wako was not supposed to change anything. The same review organs indicated that those who wanted changes made to the draft (especially with respect to abortion and khadhis courts) were too late and parliament could also not make any changes unless the change was supported by at least 145 members of parliament. The same organs, also confirmed that Wako had only changed a few commas and fullstops here and there. The same review organs have defended the draft published on 6th and confirmed that it is the only authentic draft. With all this in mind, I can confidently prove to Kenyans that we are being take for a ride because after comparing the two drafts, I have noted 6 (six) changes that were made by Wako. Some of these changes render the current published draft illegal since it means Wako, or someone else made these changes. I am not a lawyer, but I know that e.g. replacing the word "and" with the word "or" changes the meaning of everything. If you want to confirm or deny my findings, please compare both documents, i.e. the draft passed by parliament, versus the one published by Wako on 6th May. These 6 (six) changes are as indicated below: God Bless Kenya. Concerned Kenyan. -------------------------------------------- Political rights -The Proposed Draft Published by Wako on 6th May 2010 says: 38 (2) Every citizen has the right to free, fair and regular elections based on universal suffrage and the free expression of the will of the electors for— (a) any elective public body or office established under this Constitution; or (b) any office of any political party of which the citizen is a member. -The Draft passed by Parliament says: 38 (2) Every citizen has the right to free, fair and regular elections based on universal suffrage and the free expression of the will of the electors for— (a) any elective public body or office established under this Constitution; and (b) any office holder of any political party of which the citizen is a member. -Changes made by Wako or another: The word "and" was replaced with the word "or". -------------------------------------------- Fair hearing -The Proposed Draft Published by Wako on 6th May 2010 says: 50 (6) A person who is convicted of a criminal offence may petition the High Court for a new trial if–– -The Draft passed by Parliament says: 50 (6) A person who was convicted of a criminal offence may petition the High Court for a new trial if–– -Changes made by Wako or another: The word "was" replaced the word "is". -------------------------------------------- Restriction on activities of State officers -The Proposed Draft Published by Wako on 6th May 2010 says: 77 (3) A retired State officer who is receiving a pension from public funds shall not hold more than two concurrent remunerative positions as chairperson, director or employee of— -The Draft passed by Parliament says: 77 (3) A retired State officer who is receiving a pension from public funds shall not accept more than two concurrent remunerative positions as chairperson, director or employee of— -Changes made by Wako or another: The word "hold" replaced the word "accept". -------------------------------------------- Presidential assent and referral -The Proposed Draft Published by Wako on 6th May 2010 says: 115. (3) If Parliament amendeds the Bill fully accommodating the President’s reservations, the appropriate Speaker shall re-submit it to the President for assent. -The Draft passed by Parliament says: 115. (3) If Parliament has amended the Bill fully accommodating the President’s reservations, the appropriate Speaker shall re-submit it to the President for assent. -Changes made by Wako or another: The words "has amended" have been replaced with the word "amendeds" which is not an English word. Does it mean amended? or amends? -------------------------------------------- Parliamentary Service Commission -The Proposed Draft Published by Wako on 6th May 2010 says: 127 (6) (c) preparing annual estimates of expenditure of the parliamentary service and submitting them to the National Assembly for approval, and exercising budgetary control over the service; -The Draft passed by Parliament says: 127 (6) (c) preparing annual estimates of expenditure of the parliamentary service, and exercising budgetary control over the service; -Changes made by Wako or another: The phrase "and submitting them to the National Assembly for approval" was added. -------------------------------------------- Principal Secretaries -The Proposed Draft Published by Wako on 6th May 2010 says: 155. (2) Each State department shall be under the administration of a Principal Secretary. -The Draft passed by Parliament says: 155. (2) Each Ministry or State department shall be under the administration of a Principal Secretary. -Changes made by Wako or another: The word "Ministry" was removed. --------------------------------------------
Yes it is... truth tables for both operators would show you the same On 17 May 2010 12:51, Claire Njoki <clairenjoki@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
Someone forwarded me the following email and I was wondering...Is the Difference between "and" & "or" significant?
I ask this here since I believe a good number of you are coders...
Message shown below:
** MORE CHANGES (AND ERRORS) FOUND IN PUBLISHED CONSTITUTION!!! **
Dear Kenyans,
The events of the last few days got me a bit concerned when I realised that there were two (or more) proposed constitutions in circulation and we do not even know which version we will be voting for or voting against.
Today, I decided to compare the draft passed by parliament to the one published by Wako on 6th May 2010. Keep in mind that the review organs had indicated that Wako was not supposed to change anything. The same review organs indicated that those who wanted changes made to the draft (especially with respect to abortion and khadhis courts) were too late and parliament could also not make any changes unless the change was supported by at least 145 members of parliament. The same organs, also confirmed that Wako had only changed a few commas and fullstops here and there. The same review organs have defended the draft published on 6th and confirmed that it is the only authentic draft.
With all this in mind, I can confidently prove to Kenyans that we are being take for a ride because after comparing the two drafts, I have noted 6 (six) changes that were made by Wako. Some of these changes render the current published draft illegal since it means Wako, or someone else made these changes.
I am not a lawyer, but I know that e.g. replacing the word "and" with the word "or" changes the meaning of everything.
If you want to confirm or deny my findings, please compare both documents, i.e. the draft passed by parliament, versus the one published by Wako on 6th May.
These 6 (six) changes are as indicated below:
God Bless Kenya.
Concerned Kenyan.
--------------------------------------------
Political rights
-The Proposed Draft Published by Wako on 6th May 2010 says:
38 (2) Every citizen has the right to free, fair and regular elections based on universal suffrage and the free expression of the will of the electors for—
(a) any elective public body or office established under this Constitution; or (b) any office of any political party of which the citizen is a member.
-The Draft passed by Parliament says:
38 (2) Every citizen has the right to free, fair and regular elections based on universal suffrage and the free expression of the will of the electors for—
(a) any elective public body or office established under this Constitution; and (b) any office holder of any political party of which the citizen is a member.
-Changes made by Wako or another:
The word "and" was replaced with the word "or".
--------------------------------------------
Fair hearing
-The Proposed Draft Published by Wako on 6th May 2010 says:
50 (6) A person who is convicted of a criminal offence may petition the High Court for a new trial if––
-The Draft passed by Parliament says:
50 (6) A person who was convicted of a criminal offence may petition the High Court for a new trial if––
-Changes made by Wako or another:
The word "was" replaced the word "is".
--------------------------------------------
Restriction on activities of State officers
-The Proposed Draft Published by Wako on 6th May 2010 says:
77 (3) A retired State officer who is receiving a pension from public funds shall not hold more than two concurrent remunerative positions as chairperson, director or employee of—
-The Draft passed by Parliament says:
77 (3) A retired State officer who is receiving a pension from public funds shall not accept more than two concurrent remunerative positions as chairperson, director or employee of—
-Changes made by Wako or another:
The word "hold" replaced the word "accept".
--------------------------------------------
Presidential assent and referral
-The Proposed Draft Published by Wako on 6th May 2010 says:
115. (3) If Parliament amendeds the Bill fully accommodating the President’s reservations, the appropriate Speaker shall re-submit it to the President for assent.
-The Draft passed by Parliament says:
115. (3) If Parliament has amended the Bill fully accommodating the President’s reservations, the appropriate Speaker shall re-submit it to the President for assent.
-Changes made by Wako or another:
The words "has amended" have been replaced with the word "amendeds" which is not an English word. Does it mean amended? or amends?
--------------------------------------------
Parliamentary Service Commission
-The Proposed Draft Published by Wako on 6th May 2010 says:
127 (6) (c) preparing annual estimates of expenditure of the parliamentary service and submitting them to the National Assembly for approval, and exercising budgetary control over the service;
-The Draft passed by Parliament says:
127 (6) (c) preparing annual estimates of expenditure of the parliamentary service, and exercising budgetary control over the service;
-Changes made by Wako or another:
The phrase "and submitting them to the National Assembly for approval" was added.
--------------------------------------------
Principal Secretaries
-The Proposed Draft Published by Wako on 6th May 2010 says:
155. (2) Each State department shall be under the administration of a Principal Secretary.
-The Draft passed by Parliament says:
155. (2) Each Ministry or State department shall be under the administration of a Principal Secretary.
-Changes made by Wako or another:
The word "Ministry" was removed.
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So does this mean that Wako has caused damage on 38 (2) and other places that we might not know of? This guy is a very sly fox... On 5/17/10, Simon Mbuthia <simon.mbuthia@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes it is... truth tables for both operators would show you the same
On 17 May 2010 12:51, Claire Njoki <clairenjoki@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
Someone forwarded me the following email and I was wondering...Is the Difference between "and" & "or" significant?
I ask this here since I believe a good number of you are coders...
Message shown below:
** MORE CHANGES (AND ERRORS) FOUND IN PUBLISHED CONSTITUTION!!! **
Dear Kenyans,
The events of the last few days got me a bit concerned when I realised that there were two (or more) proposed constitutions in circulation and we do not even know which version we will be voting for or voting against.
Today, I decided to compare the draft passed by parliament to the one published by Wako on 6th May 2010. Keep in mind that the review organs had indicated that Wako was not supposed to change anything. The same review organs indicated that those who wanted changes made to the draft (especially with respect to abortion and khadhis courts) were too late and parliament could also not make any changes unless the change was supported by at least 145 members of parliament. The same organs, also confirmed that Wako had only changed a few commas and fullstops here and there. The same review organs have defended the draft published on 6th and confirmed that it is the only authentic draft.
With all this in mind, I can confidently prove to Kenyans that we are being take for a ride because after comparing the two drafts, I have noted 6 (six) changes that were made by Wako. Some of these changes render the current published draft illegal since it means Wako, or someone else made these changes.
I am not a lawyer, but I know that e.g. replacing the word "and" with the word "or" changes the meaning of everything.
If you want to confirm or deny my findings, please compare both documents, i.e. the draft passed by parliament, versus the one published by Wako on 6th May.
These 6 (six) changes are as indicated below:
God Bless Kenya.
Concerned Kenyan.
--------------------------------------------
Political rights
-The Proposed Draft Published by Wako on 6th May 2010 says:
38 (2) Every citizen has the right to free, fair and regular elections based on universal suffrage and the free expression of the will of the electors for—
(a) any elective public body or office established under this Constitution; or (b) any office of any political party of which the citizen is a member.
-The Draft passed by Parliament says:
38 (2) Every citizen has the right to free, fair and regular elections based on universal suffrage and the free expression of the will of the electors for—
(a) any elective public body or office established under this Constitution; and (b) any office holder of any political party of which the citizen is a member.
-Changes made by Wako or another:
The word "and" was replaced with the word "or".
--------------------------------------------
Fair hearing
-The Proposed Draft Published by Wako on 6th May 2010 says:
50 (6) A person who is convicted of a criminal offence may petition the High Court for a new trial if––
-The Draft passed by Parliament says:
50 (6) A person who was convicted of a criminal offence may petition the High Court for a new trial if––
-Changes made by Wako or another:
The word "was" replaced the word "is".
--------------------------------------------
Restriction on activities of State officers
-The Proposed Draft Published by Wako on 6th May 2010 says:
77 (3) A retired State officer who is receiving a pension from public funds shall not hold more than two concurrent remunerative positions as chairperson, director or employee of—
-The Draft passed by Parliament says:
77 (3) A retired State officer who is receiving a pension from public funds shall not accept more than two concurrent remunerative positions as chairperson, director or employee of—
-Changes made by Wako or another:
The word "hold" replaced the word "accept".
--------------------------------------------
Presidential assent and referral
-The Proposed Draft Published by Wako on 6th May 2010 says:
115. (3) If Parliament amendeds the Bill fully accommodating the President’s reservations, the appropriate Speaker shall re-submit it to the President for assent.
-The Draft passed by Parliament says:
115. (3) If Parliament has amended the Bill fully accommodating the President’s reservations, the appropriate Speaker shall re-submit it to the President for assent.
-Changes made by Wako or another:
The words "has amended" have been replaced with the word "amendeds" which is not an English word. Does it mean amended? or amends?
--------------------------------------------
Parliamentary Service Commission
-The Proposed Draft Published by Wako on 6th May 2010 says:
127 (6) (c) preparing annual estimates of expenditure of the parliamentary service and submitting them to the National Assembly for approval, and exercising budgetary control over the service;
-The Draft passed by Parliament says:
127 (6) (c) preparing annual estimates of expenditure of the parliamentary service, and exercising budgetary control over the service;
-Changes made by Wako or another:
The phrase "and submitting them to the National Assembly for approval" was added.
--------------------------------------------
Principal Secretaries
-The Proposed Draft Published by Wako on 6th May 2010 says:
155. (2) Each State department shall be under the administration of a Principal Secretary.
-The Draft passed by Parliament says:
155. (2) Each Ministry or State department shall be under the administration of a Principal Secretary.
-Changes made by Wako or another:
The word "Ministry" was removed.
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Semantics... Off topic... -- With Regards, Phares Kariuki | T: +254 734 810 802 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro | Skype: kariukiphares |
I thought we were discussing AND, OR, NAND, NOR , XOR etc in a circuit called "Draft constituition". But I noticed that the poster did not introduce the role of "Wako" and/or "Parliament" in the circuit. -- with Regards:
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