
http://mashable.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-flash-is-no-longer-necessary/ New open standards created in the mobile era, such as HTML5, will win on mobile devices (and PCs too). Perhaps Adobe should focus more on creating great HTML5 tools for the future, and less on criticizing Apple for leaving the past behind....jobs

1) Apple is just as bad as Adobe -- Steve Jobs is truly a case of the pot calling the kettle black 2) As for HTML5 the only tag that truly matters is the video tag -- and if you dig into the politics and the brutal battle going on you will be surprised at the infighting, self interest and sabotage going on. At it is now IE 9, Safari & Chrome are going to fully support h 264 which Mozilla has categorically refused to support. This means that the video tag is already in trouble On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 11:13 AM, isaac kinyanjui <kinyanjuiisaac@yahoo.com>wrote:
http://mashable.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-flash-is-no-longer-necessary/ New open standards created in the mobile era, such as HTML5, will win on mobile devices (and PCs too). Perhaps Adobe should focus more on creating great HTML5 tools for the future, and less on criticizing Apple for leaving the past behind....jobs
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Fair Enough coming from the HTML 5 Perspective, it is a relatively powerful system. Heck. it is a brilliantly powerful system. How practical is it at the moment and how much of it is being used right now? Flash is already a matured product and recognized pretty well around the world. I feel that with the development of flash 10, there has been a significant improvement in the power and scalability of Flash. My thoughts. On 5/3/10 11:40 AM, Rad! wrote:
1) Apple is just as bad as Adobe -- Steve Jobs is truly a case of the pot calling the kettle black 2) As for HTML5 the only tag that truly matters is the video tag -- and if you dig into the politics and the brutal battle going on you will be surprised at the infighting, self interest and sabotage going on. At it is now IE 9, Safari & Chrome are going to fully support h 264 which Mozilla has categorically refused to support. This means that the video tag is already in trouble
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 11:13 AM, isaac kinyanjui <kinyanjuiisaac@yahoo.com <mailto:kinyanjuiisaac@yahoo.com>> wrote:
http://mashable.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-flash-is-no-longer-necessary/
New open standards created in the mobile era, such as HTML5, will win on mobile devices (and PCs too). Perhaps Adobe should focus more on creating great HTML5 tools for the future, and less on criticizing Apple for leaving the past behind....jobs
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I agree with Rahim. Flash is at it's best right now. took quite some years though to make it stable but Adobe seems to have hacked it. I have a feeling though that the real reason behind apple's stubbornness is known only to few. -- Regards Martin

Seems Microsoft had their own point of view in this matters as well, http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2010/04/29/html5-video.aspx Regards Ukang'a Dickson On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Kariuki Martin <martinkariuki7@gmail.com>wrote:
I agree with Rahim. Flash is at it's best right now. took quite some years though to make it stable but Adobe seems to have hacked it. I have a feeling though that the real reason behind apple's stubbornness is known only to few. -- Regards Martin
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Stable flash? the same one that consumes 100% processor on Linux intel pentium and decides to hang after a while?

@dennis: you're referring to npviewer.bin, which is the flash process on linux. I've also had my fair share of killall on it. This issue is mostly for guys who run 32-bit flash with a wrapper on top of 64-bit linux. Adobe has a fix for that...since I installed it I haven't had any hanging issues with video and other flash-heavy apps on firefox. I'm running ubuntu lucid 64-bit. http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 13:06, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Stable flash? the same one that consumes 100% processor on Linux intel pentium and decides to hang after a while?
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Flash may be stable on Windows but on Mac (from painful experience) it is not exactly stable. In fact it routinely crashes the browser. When it is not it, is using obscene percentage of processor. On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Stable flash? the same one that consumes 100% processor on Linux intel pentium and decides to hang after a while?
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It can only get better Rad :) -- Regards Martin

I have never used 64 bit linux. I a still on 32 bit fedora, but now on core 2 and its yet to misbehave. On my pentium 4, I cursed Adobe severally when the browser just hanged. Furthermore, I did not need a heater on cold days, Flash made sure that the processor was using max power and dissipating max heat

I was creating http://tubu.tv when I got to the point where I realized firefox does not support H.264 (flash supported HD video) and Internet Explorer does not show signs of supporting Ogg Theora (HTML5 compatible). After some reading and asking around (Thanks Laban) I resorted to browser detection on the server side. If a browser supports Ogg Theora the site serves HTML5 if not it reverts to H.264 The downside is the system has to encode all video files twice and also this means taking twice the space. I just hope we will have some sanity in the future. David Njuguna Web Programmer http://tubu.tv On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Kariuki Martin <martinkariuki7@gmail.com>wrote:
It can only get better Rad :)
-- Regards Martin
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Firefox cannot support h.264 due to its OpenSource License.

However, CPU usage on flash seems to also depend on how the app itself is coded. I have an issue with the Zuku ad on flash which is on www.nation.co.ke...it slows everything down...actually noted it first on win XP and 7. Am I alone on this?
participants (8)
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David Njuguna
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Dennis Kioko
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Haggai Nyang
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isaac kinyanjui
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Kariuki Martin
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Rad!
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Rahim Kara
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Ukang'a Dickson