Re: [Skunkworks] Suicides at iPad factory in China revealed, Something rotten at Apple's core?
@ Phares Thats like a 6 year old kid saying when caught playing in the mud.� Hata nani alikuwa anafanya.. Doesn't make it right.� We must cast a stone and encourage them to cast one back at us.� In a perfect world that is. King'ori For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others. Nelson Mandela� ----- Original message ----- From: "Victor Ngeny" <victormaritim@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Suicides at iPad factory in China revealed, Something rotten at Apple's core? Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 16:18:49 +0300 @Aki please look into the state of work and life at the factory/dorms in factories in China who have business outsorced to them, then you will see that this is not an isolated case, nor is it happening at Foxconn only.� Saying that Apple is responsibly is true to a point, a very minute point. V On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote: Thing is, most people happily buy products from "the oppressed" Cell phone manufacturers �(Nokia, Samsung et al, by extension participate in the crisis at the Congo), we don't attack them, we benefit. We have local companies infamous for�oppressing�employees, we celebrate the cheaper pricing. Mechanics in Kenya expose themselves to hazardous carcinogenics everyday, when fixing our cars, but it's cool. People die building structures in Kenya, day in day out, no insurance, no safety equipment, but it's ok, we save a coin... My issue is that living in a country where we constantly benefit from the blood of others, can we really cast the first stone? -- With Regards, Phares Kariuki | T: +254 734 810 802 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro | Skype: kariukiphares | _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke -- Victor Ngeny Mobile � +254751884373 � � GTalk: � �victormaritim � � � � �Twitter: � @ngeny Yahoo: � vikngne � � � � � � � � �Skype: � victor.ngeny << 2.dat >> -------------------------------------------------------------- Ovi Mail: Free email account from Nokia http://mail.ovi.com
We must cast a stone and encourage them to cast one back at us.
Well said King'ori, that's the spirit. The attitude of "everyone's doing it so let's not criticize" is just a cop-out, a morally and intellectually lazy excuse to avoid having to act. The sad truth is, "sweatshop" factories have existed for many, many years. Nike and other garment manufacturers got into hot water for it many years ago, and practices improved somewhat. Consumer-electronics manufacturers have so far been immune to such pressures but that is now slowly changing. If you study such movements, you'll see that they made progress when people had attitudes such as King'ori's: "I'll point out your flaws and you point out mine, hopefully we can both improve ourselves in the process". Similarly, the Fair Trade movement (in the West) started as an attempt to buy goods for whom the originators were paid a "fair wage". A few years ago fair-trade coffee was a novelty (and more expensive), now Starbucks (of all places!) sells fair-trade coffee. Fair-trade chocolate, bananas, etc etc are the norm. It won't be long before fair-trade smartphones join the list, and I think we'll all be the better for it. saidi PS And yes, Rad, you should start a fair-wage movement for house-helps. Maybe a labor lawyer can point us to the relevant minimum-wage laws? On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 10:02 AM, King'ori Gitahi <kingorigitahi@ovi.com>wrote:
@ Phares
Thats like a 6 year old kid saying when caught playing in the mud. Hata nani alikuwa anafanya.. Doesn't make it right. We must cast a stone and encourage them to cast one back at us. In a perfect world that is.
King'ori
For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others.
Nelson Mandela
----- Original message ----- From: "Victor Ngeny" <victormaritim@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Suicides at iPad factory in China revealed, Something rotten at Apple's core? Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 16:18:49 +0300
@Aki please look into the state of work and life at the factory/dorms in factories in China who have business outsorced to them, then you will see that this is not an isolated case, nor is it happening at Foxconn only. Saying that Apple is responsibly is true to a point, a very minute point.
V
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
Thing is, most people happily buy products from "the oppressed" Cell phone manufacturers (Nokia, Samsung et al, by extension participate in the crisis at the Congo), we don't attack them, we benefit. We have local companies infamous for oppressing employees, we celebrate the cheaper pricing. Mechanics in Kenya expose themselves to hazardous carcinogenics everyday, when fixing our cars, but it's cool. People die building structures in Kenya, day in day out, no insurance, no safety equipment, but it's ok, we save a coin... My issue is that living in a country where we constantly benefit from the blood of others, can we really cast the first stone?
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