Re: [Skunkworks] HP 3par 7200 VS Net app 2552
check out below analysis- *HA Product Specification* *NetApp* *HP* *FAS255x* *FAS8020* *StoreServ 7200* *StoreServ 74x0* *Architecture* Unified SAN and NAS; Scale-out and Scale-up. Supports 3rd Party arrays with FlexArray S/W SAN only (FC & iSCSI); NAS requires Windows or IBRIX gateways; No 3rd party array support *Scalability* SAN: 8 nodes NAS: 24 nodes SAN: 8 nodes NAS: 24 nodes 2 nodes 2-4 nodes *Max Host ports * 12 28 12 24 *Max drives * 144 (240 SSD) 480 (240 SSD) 240 (120 SSD) 480 (240 SSD) 24 SFF drive slots in base; add-on shelves can be SFF or LFF *Drive types * 100GB, 200GB SSD; 300GB, 450GB, 600GB, 900GB SAS; 1TB, 2TB, 3TB, 4TB SATA 100GB, 200GB, 400GB, 480GB, 960GB SSD; 300GB, 450GB, 900GB, 1.9TB (7450 only) SAS; 1TB, 2TB, 3TB, 4TB NL SAS *Auto-tiering* *Flash Pools* - included with OS *FlashCache* - included with OS *Adaptive Optimization* - sub-LUN *Dynamic Optimization* - full-LUN *Protocols* 16Gb FC, FCoE, iSCSI, NFS, CIFS, HTTP, FTP (1GbE & 10GbE) 8Gb FC, 10Gb iSCSI/FCoE; NAS requires Windows or IBRIX gateways *Memory * 48GB 48GB 24GB 32-64 GB (7400) 64-128GB (7450) *Flash Cache, Flash Pools* 4TB (Flash Pool) 3TB N/A N/A *Data protection capabilities* · RAID-DP, RAID4, Snapshot, SyncMirror, MetroCluster, DSM/MPIO · FlexClone, SnapMirror, SnapVault · File, Volume, or LUN level restore · RAID 1,5,6(MP), DSM/MPIO · Snapshot, Remote Copy, Peer Persistence (metro distance protection) - are add-on S/W · LUN level restore *Built-in efficiency technologies* Snapshot, dedupe, compression, thin provisioning, RAID-DP, FlexVol, Disk Sanitization - all included with OS · RAID 6(MP), Thin Provisioning - included with OS bundle · Snapshots are add-on S/W Why 3PAR: · Compelling performance with a 4-controller 7400 all-SSD SPC-1 benchmark of 258,078 IOPS at 0.86ms latency. 3PAR currently holds the fastest SPC-1 benchmark with their StoreServ 10800 though the latency was 13.67ms and the list price was $1.6M. HP claims the all-flash 7450 can achieve 900,000 4K read IOPS though it's not a verified SPC benchmark - most likely Iometer driven workload. · Good Thin Provisioning capabilities - particularly during migration of external fat volumes to create thinly provisioned volumes in new 3PAR arrays. · Streamlined deployment provides pre-defined templates of disk type & capacity, RAID type, auto-tiering, & host groups for easy storage provisioning. EVA-like interface provides EVA customers with an easier transition to 3PAR arrays. · In-line deduplication for all-flash 7450 only. · New 1.9TB (effective capacity) SSD drive for 7450 only · EVA/EMC Migrate or HP Peer Motion S/W offers non-disruptive migration from EVA, VNX, CX4, or 3PAR arrays to new 3PAR arrays. Peer Motion is also sold as tool to "federate" 3PAR arrays together for non-disruptive LUN movement between arrays. · Good multi-tenant QoS capabilities that control IOP, MB/sec, & latency min/max New Six-Nines Availability Guarantee <http://www8.hp.com/us/en/products/data-storage/data-storage-products.html?compURI=1649739#.U5eaMF7o06w> why net app: · Single unified multi-protocol scale-up and scale-out architecture. · Built-in storage efficiency features such as deduplication, compression, thin provisioning, RAID-DP, snapshots, etc. - all included with the OS. · Unique space efficient vaulting provides fast and simple backup and recovery. · Investment protection through non-disruptive data-in-place controller upgrades, clustering controllers of various age, size, & performance, virtualize EMC, HDS, HP, and E-series storage. · Simple, unified, cluster-wide management from the low-end to the high-end reduces administrative burden across a highly scalable environment. Bottom line: Evaluate and decide On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 5:07 PM, geoffrey gitagia via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Hi All i have been looking at these 2 products for what seems to be ages , can someone try and differentiate them in terms of service and performance
-- GG
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Wow from this , im better off going with the net app , has more bang and features and flash cache to come with unlike the 3par , which you need to get to the 7400 to get , this makes my work much easier. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 5:59 PM, mabeya conseray <mbshem@gmail.com> wrote:
check out below analysis-
*HA Product Specification*
*NetApp*
*HP*
*FAS255x*
*FAS8020*
*StoreServ 7200*
*StoreServ 74x0*
*Architecture*
Unified SAN and NAS; Scale-out and Scale-up. Supports 3rd Party arrays with FlexArray S/W
SAN only (FC & iSCSI); NAS requires Windows or IBRIX gateways; No 3rd party array support
*Scalability*
SAN: 8 nodes
NAS: 24 nodes
SAN: 8 nodes
NAS: 24 nodes
2 nodes
2-4 nodes
*Max Host ports *
12
28
12
24
*Max drives *
144 (240 SSD)
480 (240 SSD)
240 (120 SSD)
480 (240 SSD)
24 SFF drive slots in base; add-on shelves can be SFF or LFF
*Drive types *
100GB, 200GB SSD; 300GB, 450GB, 600GB, 900GB SAS; 1TB, 2TB, 3TB, 4TB SATA
100GB, 200GB, 400GB, 480GB, 960GB SSD; 300GB, 450GB, 900GB, 1.9TB (7450 only)
SAS; 1TB, 2TB, 3TB, 4TB NL SAS
*Auto-tiering*
*Flash Pools* - included with OS
*FlashCache* - included with OS
*Adaptive Optimization* - sub-LUN
*Dynamic Optimization* - full-LUN
*Protocols*
16Gb FC, FCoE, iSCSI, NFS, CIFS, HTTP, FTP (1GbE & 10GbE)
8Gb FC, 10Gb iSCSI/FCoE; NAS requires Windows or IBRIX gateways
*Memory *
48GB
48GB
24GB
32-64 GB (7400)
64-128GB (7450)
*Flash Cache, Flash Pools*
4TB (Flash Pool)
3TB
N/A
N/A
*Data protection capabilities*
· RAID-DP, RAID4, Snapshot, SyncMirror, MetroCluster, DSM/MPIO
· FlexClone, SnapMirror, SnapVault
· File, Volume, or LUN level restore
· RAID 1,5,6(MP), DSM/MPIO
· Snapshot, Remote Copy, Peer Persistence (metro distance protection) - are add-on S/W
· LUN level restore
*Built-in efficiency technologies*
Snapshot, dedupe, compression, thin provisioning, RAID-DP, FlexVol, Disk Sanitization - all included with OS
· RAID 6(MP), Thin Provisioning - included with OS bundle
· Snapshots are add-on S/W
Why 3PAR: · Compelling performance with a 4-controller 7400 all-SSD SPC-1 benchmark of 258,078 IOPS at 0.86ms latency. 3PAR currently holds the fastest SPC-1 benchmark with their StoreServ 10800 though the latency was 13.67ms and the list price was $1.6M. HP claims the all-flash 7450 can achieve 900,000 4K read IOPS though it's not a verified SPC benchmark - most likely Iometer driven workload.
· Good Thin Provisioning capabilities - particularly during migration of external fat volumes to create thinly provisioned volumes in new 3PAR arrays.
· Streamlined deployment provides pre-defined templates of disk type & capacity, RAID type, auto-tiering, & host groups for easy storage provisioning. EVA-like interface provides EVA customers with an easier transition to 3PAR arrays.
· In-line deduplication for all-flash 7450 only.
· New 1.9TB (effective capacity) SSD drive for 7450 only
· EVA/EMC Migrate or HP Peer Motion S/W offers non-disruptive migration from EVA, VNX, CX4, or 3PAR arrays to new 3PAR arrays. Peer Motion is also sold as tool to "federate" 3PAR arrays together for non-disruptive LUN movement between arrays.
· Good multi-tenant QoS capabilities that control IOP, MB/sec, & latency min/max New Six-Nines Availability Guarantee <http://www8.hp.com/us/en/products/data-storage/data-storage-products.html?compURI=1649739#.U5eaMF7o06w> why net app:
· Single unified multi-protocol scale-up and scale-out architecture.
· Built-in storage efficiency features such as deduplication, compression, thin provisioning, RAID-DP, snapshots, etc. - all included with the OS.
· Unique space efficient vaulting provides fast and simple backup and recovery.
· Investment protection through non-disruptive data-in-place controller upgrades, clustering controllers of various age, size, & performance, virtualize EMC, HDS, HP, and E-series storage.
· Simple, unified, cluster-wide management from the low-end to the high-end reduces administrative burden across a highly scalable environment.
Bottom line:
Evaluate and decide
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 5:07 PM, geoffrey gitagia via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Hi All i have been looking at these 2 products for what seems to be ages , can someone try and differentiate them in terms of service and performance
-- GG
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-- GG
NetApp specializes in storage, HP is everywhere and l doubt they can give the best solution in this environment. On Oct 3, 2014 6:09 PM, "geoffrey gitagia via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Wow from this , im better off going with the net app , has more bang and features and flash cache to come with unlike the 3par , which you need to get to the 7400 to get , this makes my work much easier.
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 5:59 PM, mabeya conseray <mbshem@gmail.com> wrote:
check out below analysis-
*HA Product Specification*
*NetApp*
*HP*
*FAS255x*
*FAS8020*
*StoreServ 7200*
*StoreServ 74x0*
*Architecture*
Unified SAN and NAS; Scale-out and Scale-up. Supports 3rd Party arrays with FlexArray S/W
SAN only (FC & iSCSI); NAS requires Windows or IBRIX gateways; No 3rd party array support
*Scalability*
SAN: 8 nodes
NAS: 24 nodes
SAN: 8 nodes
NAS: 24 nodes
2 nodes
2-4 nodes
*Max Host ports *
12
28
12
24
*Max drives *
144 (240 SSD)
480 (240 SSD)
240 (120 SSD)
480 (240 SSD)
24 SFF drive slots in base; add-on shelves can be SFF or LFF
*Drive types *
100GB, 200GB SSD; 300GB, 450GB, 600GB, 900GB SAS; 1TB, 2TB, 3TB, 4TB SATA
100GB, 200GB, 400GB, 480GB, 960GB SSD; 300GB, 450GB, 900GB, 1.9TB (7450 only)
SAS; 1TB, 2TB, 3TB, 4TB NL SAS
*Auto-tiering*
*Flash Pools* – included with OS
*FlashCache* – included with OS
*Adaptive Optimization* - sub-LUN
*Dynamic Optimization* – full-LUN
*Protocols*
16Gb FC, FCoE, iSCSI, NFS, CIFS, HTTP, FTP (1GbE & 10GbE)
8Gb FC, 10Gb iSCSI/FCoE; NAS requires Windows or IBRIX gateways
*Memory *
48GB
48GB
24GB
32-64 GB (7400)
64-128GB (7450)
*Flash Cache, Flash Pools*
4TB (Flash Pool)
3TB
N/A
N/A
*Data protection capabilities*
· RAID-DP, RAID4, Snapshot, SyncMirror, MetroCluster, DSM/MPIO
· FlexClone, SnapMirror, SnapVault
· File, Volume, or LUN level restore
· RAID 1,5,6(MP), DSM/MPIO
· Snapshot, Remote Copy, Peer Persistence (metro distance protection) – are add-on S/W
· LUN level restore
*Built-in efficiency technologies*
Snapshot, dedupe, compression, thin provisioning, RAID-DP, FlexVol, Disk Sanitization – all included with OS
· RAID 6(MP), Thin Provisioning – included with OS bundle
· Snapshots are add-on S/W
Why 3PAR: · Compelling performance with a 4-controller 7400 all-SSD SPC-1 benchmark of 258,078 IOPS at 0.86ms latency. 3PAR currently holds the fastest SPC-1 benchmark with their StoreServ 10800 though the latency was 13.67ms and the list price was $1.6M. HP claims the all-flash 7450 can achieve 900,000 4K read IOPS though it’s not a verified SPC benchmark – most likely Iometer driven workload.
· Good Thin Provisioning capabilities – particularly during migration of external fat volumes to create thinly provisioned volumes in new 3PAR arrays.
· Streamlined deployment provides pre-defined templates of disk type & capacity, RAID type, auto-tiering, & host groups for easy storage provisioning. EVA-like interface provides EVA customers with an easier transition to 3PAR arrays.
· In-line deduplication for all-flash 7450 only.
· New 1.9TB (effective capacity) SSD drive for 7450 only
· EVA/EMC Migrate or HP Peer Motion S/W offers non-disruptive migration from EVA, VNX, CX4, or 3PAR arrays to new 3PAR arrays. Peer Motion is also sold as tool to “federate” 3PAR arrays together for non-disruptive LUN movement between arrays.
· Good multi-tenant QoS capabilities that control IOP, MB/sec, & latency min/max New Six-Nines Availability Guarantee <http://www8.hp.com/us/en/products/data-storage/data-storage-products.html?compURI=1649739#.U5eaMF7o06w> why net app:
· Single unified multi-protocol scale-up and scale-out architecture.
· Built-in storage efficiency features such as deduplication, compression, thin provisioning, RAID-DP, snapshots, etc. – all included with the OS.
· Unique space efficient vaulting provides fast and simple backup and recovery.
· Investment protection through non-disruptive data-in-place controller upgrades, clustering controllers of various age, size, & performance, virtualize EMC, HDS, HP, and E-series storage.
· Simple, unified, cluster-wide management from the low-end to the high-end reduces administrative burden across a highly scalable environment.
Bottom line:
Evaluate and decide
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 5:07 PM, geoffrey gitagia via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Hi All i have been looking at these 2 products for what seems to be ages , can someone try and differentiate them in terms of service and performance
-- GG
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-- GG
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I used to work with 3par stuff before HP acquired them. It's really good stuff. Also, check out Solidfire (http://www.solidfire.com/) - that's the new kid on the block. They're super well-funded, have great technology, and are way ahead of the curve. -- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> More Musings: varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Alex Nyalita via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
NetApp specializes in storage, HP is everywhere and l doubt they can give the best solution in this environment. On Oct 3, 2014 6:09 PM, "geoffrey gitagia via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Wow from this , im better off going with the net app , has more bang and features and flash cache to come with unlike the 3par , which you need to get to the 7400 to get , this makes my work much easier.
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 5:59 PM, mabeya conseray <mbshem@gmail.com> wrote:
check out below analysis-
*HA Product Specification*
*NetApp*
*HP*
*FAS255x*
*FAS8020*
*StoreServ 7200*
*StoreServ 74x0*
*Architecture*
Unified SAN and NAS; Scale-out and Scale-up. Supports 3rd Party arrays with FlexArray S/W
SAN only (FC & iSCSI); NAS requires Windows or IBRIX gateways; No 3rd party array support
*Scalability*
SAN: 8 nodes
NAS: 24 nodes
SAN: 8 nodes
NAS: 24 nodes
2 nodes
2-4 nodes
*Max Host ports *
12
28
12
24
*Max drives *
144 (240 SSD)
480 (240 SSD)
240 (120 SSD)
480 (240 SSD)
24 SFF drive slots in base; add-on shelves can be SFF or LFF
*Drive types *
100GB, 200GB SSD; 300GB, 450GB, 600GB, 900GB SAS; 1TB, 2TB, 3TB, 4TB SATA
100GB, 200GB, 400GB, 480GB, 960GB SSD; 300GB, 450GB, 900GB, 1.9TB (7450 only)
SAS; 1TB, 2TB, 3TB, 4TB NL SAS
*Auto-tiering*
*Flash Pools* – included with OS
*FlashCache* – included with OS
*Adaptive Optimization* - sub-LUN
*Dynamic Optimization* – full-LUN
*Protocols*
16Gb FC, FCoE, iSCSI, NFS, CIFS, HTTP, FTP (1GbE & 10GbE)
8Gb FC, 10Gb iSCSI/FCoE; NAS requires Windows or IBRIX gateways
*Memory *
48GB
48GB
24GB
32-64 GB (7400)
64-128GB (7450)
*Flash Cache, Flash Pools*
4TB (Flash Pool)
3TB
N/A
N/A
*Data protection capabilities*
· RAID-DP, RAID4, Snapshot, SyncMirror, MetroCluster, DSM/MPIO
· FlexClone, SnapMirror, SnapVault
· File, Volume, or LUN level restore
· RAID 1,5,6(MP), DSM/MPIO
· Snapshot, Remote Copy, Peer Persistence (metro distance protection) – are add-on S/W
· LUN level restore
*Built-in efficiency technologies*
Snapshot, dedupe, compression, thin provisioning, RAID-DP, FlexVol, Disk Sanitization – all included with OS
· RAID 6(MP), Thin Provisioning – included with OS bundle
· Snapshots are add-on S/W
Why 3PAR: · Compelling performance with a 4-controller 7400 all-SSD SPC-1 benchmark of 258,078 IOPS at 0.86ms latency. 3PAR currently holds the fastest SPC-1 benchmark with their StoreServ 10800 though the latency was 13.67ms and the list price was $1.6M. HP claims the all-flash 7450 can achieve 900,000 4K read IOPS though it’s not a verified SPC benchmark – most likely Iometer driven workload.
· Good Thin Provisioning capabilities – particularly during migration of external fat volumes to create thinly provisioned volumes in new 3PAR arrays.
· Streamlined deployment provides pre-defined templates of disk type & capacity, RAID type, auto-tiering, & host groups for easy storage provisioning. EVA-like interface provides EVA customers with an easier transition to 3PAR arrays.
· In-line deduplication for all-flash 7450 only.
· New 1.9TB (effective capacity) SSD drive for 7450 only
· EVA/EMC Migrate or HP Peer Motion S/W offers non-disruptive migration from EVA, VNX, CX4, or 3PAR arrays to new 3PAR arrays. Peer Motion is also sold as tool to “federate” 3PAR arrays together for non-disruptive LUN movement between arrays.
· Good multi-tenant QoS capabilities that control IOP, MB/sec, & latency min/max New Six-Nines Availability Guarantee <http://www8.hp.com/us/en/products/data-storage/data-storage-products.html?compURI=1649739#.U5eaMF7o06w> why net app:
· Single unified multi-protocol scale-up and scale-out architecture.
· Built-in storage efficiency features such as deduplication, compression, thin provisioning, RAID-DP, snapshots, etc. – all included with the OS.
· Unique space efficient vaulting provides fast and simple backup and recovery.
· Investment protection through non-disruptive data-in-place controller upgrades, clustering controllers of various age, size, & performance, virtualize EMC, HDS, HP, and E-series storage.
· Simple, unified, cluster-wide management from the low-end to the high-end reduces administrative burden across a highly scalable environment.
Bottom line:
Evaluate and decide
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 5:07 PM, geoffrey gitagia via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Hi All i have been looking at these 2 products for what seems to be ages , can someone try and differentiate them in terms of service and performance
-- GG
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-- GG
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