I've never imagined that Safaricom 3G can these days sustain a connection for so long: Connection Type 3G/UMTS Login Status Connected Connection Uptime 22:01:32 IP Address 41.90.41.40 Subnet Mask 255.255.255.255 Gateway 10.64.64.64 DNS 1 196.201.208.2 DNS 2 209.244.0.3 DNS 3 The above is from my D-Link DIR-825 running dd-wrt, with a Huawei E1820 plugged into the USB port for the 3G connection. Thanks to KPLC not coming into play, I've had a 3G session running for 22hrs!! Is it time guys started to think of Safaricom 3G as a "stable" connectivity method, disregarding any speed fluctuations? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
:P how many have tried clicking the disconnect button in this mail? On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
I've never imagined that Safaricom 3G can these days sustain a connection for so long:
Connection Type 3G/UMTS Login Status Connected Connection Uptime 22:01:32 IP Address 41.90.41.40 Subnet Mask 255.255.255.255 Gateway 10.64.64.64 DNS 1 196.201.208.2 DNS 2 209.244.0.3 DNS 3
The above is from my D-Link DIR-825 running dd-wrt, with a Huawei E1820 plugged into the USB port for the 3G connection.
Thanks to KPLC not coming into play, I've had a 3G session running for 22hrs!!
Is it time guys started to think of Safaricom 3G as a "stable" connectivity method, disregarding any speed fluctuations?
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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hehehehe, first thing that came to my mind. On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:
:P how many have tried clicking the disconnect button in this mail?
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
I've never imagined that Safaricom 3G can these days sustain a connection for so long:
Connection Type 3G/UMTS Login Status Connected Connection Uptime 22:01:32 IP Address 41.90.41.40 Subnet Mask 255.255.255.255 Gateway 10.64.64.64 DNS 1 196.201.208.2 DNS 2 209.244.0.3 DNS 3
The above is from my D-Link DIR-825 running dd-wrt, with a Huawei E1820 plugged into the USB port for the 3G connection.
Thanks to KPLC not coming into play, I've had a 3G session running for 22hrs!!
Is it time guys started to think of Safaricom 3G as a "stable" connectivity method, disregarding any speed fluctuations?
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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Most ppl would go for stability than bandwidth....I know many users on 1-4Mbps fiber but hardly use its full bandwidth. They'd rather its always there when they need it rather than enjoy "bursts" of it. Also, the average user (email, facebook, twitter, newsfeeds, occasional 3-4min video/audio streaming) should be content with a stable 3g connection ( average 800Kbps -1.5Mbps). As with all mature markets in other parts of the world, if you are really bandwidth hungry then please explore other options other than mobile internet: fiber or WiMAX. ./bernard On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:
:P how many have tried clicking the disconnect button in this mail?
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
I've never imagined that Safaricom 3G can these days sustain a connection for so long:
Connection Type 3G/UMTS Login Status Connected Connection Uptime 22:01:32 IP Address 41.90.41.40 Subnet Mask 255.255.255.255 Gateway 10.64.64.64 DNS 1 196.201.208.2 DNS 2 209.244.0.3 DNS 3
The above is from my D-Link DIR-825 running dd-wrt, with a Huawei E1820 plugged into the USB port for the 3G connection.
Thanks to KPLC not coming into play, I've had a 3G session running for 22hrs!!
Is it time guys started to think of Safaricom 3G as a "stable" connectivity method, disregarding any speed fluctuations?
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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@Wash, some thots. Add Orange 3g ( HSPA+) to the stability and very good speeds list. I'm running an Orange Flybox without any interruptions to services running well into 48-72 hours. IMHO, I think Safaricom unfortunately will need to upgrade its network to the new 3.75G standards at some point else it will start to look and feel outdated. On Safaricom D/L speeds of around 80-100KB/sec and U/L speeds of 30KB/sec, in-comparison to the new 3G networks being rolled out currently, feels a lot like the iBurst technology that AfricaOnline had at some point. iBurst quickly started to feel outdated when compared to Safaricom 3G. However, iBurst may have improved so cannot list its current speed specs. Here's a comparison of what's happening in the data market, in my amateur view : - Orange tops the list with excellent speeds and reliability. - Airtel also launched its 3.75G ( 21Mbps network ) network, but have not tested. - Safaricom leads in coverage but unable to sustain reliability. There could be various reasons for this, possibly poor implementations between regular fiddling with protocols and some others tweeks that never stop. Its sometimes ridiculous to find the amount of changes its data networks goes through. Safaricom stands to gain more if it can match delivery of sustained services. Some thots.
Coverage Vs. Speeds Vs. Reliability: Something has to give. I doubt there's an OpCo anywhere in the world with a high ratings in all 3 above. In the end, an OpCo will juggle with whatever brings in the revenue. Investment in HSPA+ plus coverage costs an arm and leg. In the end, if mobility is my forte then I want to upload my pics to flickr at anywhere I am, fastest as possible.However, I was delighted to get full 3.5G bars on my way to Mountain Lodge last week. At the same time, it doesnt make economic sense to roll-out a higher technology access to my bundus where peeps relish in "please call me". We've reached a point where we now have several options at our disposal. Weigh the pros and opt for what works for you. ./bernard On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 11:25 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wash, some thots. Add Orange 3g ( HSPA+) to the stability and very good speeds list. I'm running an Orange Flybox without any interruptions to services running well into 48-72 hours. IMHO, I think Safaricom unfortunately will need to upgrade its network to the new 3.75G standards at some point else it will start to look and feel outdated. On Safaricom D/L speeds of around 80-100KB/sec and U/L speeds of 30KB/sec, in-comparison to the new 3G networks being rolled out currently, feels a lot like the iBurst technology that AfricaOnline had at some point. iBurst quickly started to feel outdated when compared to Safaricom 3G. However, iBurst may have improved so cannot list its current speed specs.
Here's a comparison of what's happening in the data market, in my amateur view :
- Orange tops the list with excellent speeds and reliability. - Airtel also launched its 3.75G ( 21Mbps network ) network, but have not tested. - Safaricom leads in coverage but unable to sustain reliability. There could be various reasons for this, possibly poor implementations between regular fiddling with protocols and some others tweeks that never stop. Its sometimes ridiculous to find the amount of changes its data networks goes through. Safaricom stands to gain more if it can match delivery of sustained services.
Some thots.
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Friday and most of the weekend from Milimani Road and South B. #thatsall. - Kiania D On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 11:41 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Coverage Vs. Speeds Vs. Reliability: Something has to give. I doubt there's an OpCo anywhere in the world with a high ratings in all 3 above.
In the end, an OpCo will juggle with whatever brings in the revenue. Investment in HSPA+ plus coverage costs an arm and leg. In the end, if mobility is my forte then I want to upload my pics to flickr at anywhere I am, fastest as possible.However, I was delighted to get full 3.5G bars on my way to Mountain Lodge last week. At the same time, it doesnt make economic sense to roll-out a higher technology access to my bundus where peeps relish in "please call me".
We've reached a point where we now have several options at our disposal. Weigh the pros and opt for what works for you.
./bernard
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 11:25 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wash, some thots. Add Orange 3g ( HSPA+) to the stability and very good speeds list. I'm running an Orange Flybox without any interruptions to services running well into 48-72 hours. IMHO, I think Safaricom unfortunately will need to upgrade its network to the new 3.75G standards at some point else it will start to look and feel outdated. On Safaricom D/L speeds of around 80-100KB/sec and U/L speeds of 30KB/sec, in-comparison to the new 3G networks being rolled out currently, feels a lot like the iBurst technology that AfricaOnline had at some point. iBurst quickly started to feel outdated when compared to Safaricom 3G. However, iBurst may have improved so cannot list its current speed specs.
Here's a comparison of what's happening in the data market, in my amateur view :
- Orange tops the list with excellent speeds and reliability. - Airtel also launched its 3.75G ( 21Mbps network ) network, but have not tested. - Safaricom leads in coverage but unable to sustain reliability. There could be various reasons for this, possibly poor implementations between regular fiddling with protocols and some others tweeks that never stop. Its sometimes ridiculous to find the amount of changes its data networks goes through. Safaricom stands to gain more if it can match delivery of sustained services.
Some thots.
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@Wash Congratulations,you have achieved what the rest of us who have been using Safaricom only dream about! :) I wonder whether Safaricom will up their game now that Airtel is on 3.75 G!I would love to see the same scenario we had on voice! On 26 February 2012 21:53, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
I've never imagined that Safaricom 3G can these days sustain a connection for so long:
Connection Type 3G/UMTS Login Status Connected Connection Uptime 22:01:32 IP Address 41.90.41.40 Subnet Mask 255.255.255.255 Gateway 10.64.64.64 DNS 1 196.201.208.2 DNS 2 209.244.0.3 DNS 3
The above is from my D-Link DIR-825 running dd-wrt, with a Huawei E1820 plugged into the USB port for the 3G connection.
Thanks to KPLC not coming into play, I've had a 3G session running for 22hrs!!
Is it time guys started to think of Safaricom 3G as a "stable" connectivity method, disregarding any speed fluctuations?
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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Airtel will make no dent. maybe a scratch on the boulder. 3.75G is marketing parlance for hsdpa which safaricom had for years. yesterdays paper promised a 7 day free trial for Airtels new network. how do I get it? dialing those no.s gets me nowhere. Customer service and simplifying their offers will save them not flogging tech that's been around for years. On 2/27/12, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wash
Congratulations,you have achieved what the rest of us who have been using Safaricom only dream about! :) I wonder whether Safaricom will up their game now that Airtel is on 3.75 G!I would love to see the same scenario we had on voice!
On 26 February 2012 21:53, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
I've never imagined that Safaricom 3G can these days sustain a connection for so long:
Connection Type 3G/UMTS Login Status Connected Connection Uptime 22:01:32 IP Address 41.90.41.40 Subnet Mask 255.255.255.255 Gateway 10.64.64.64 DNS 1 196.201.208.2 DNS 2 209.244.0.3 DNS 3
The above is from my D-Link DIR-825 running dd-wrt, with a Huawei E1820 plugged into the USB port for the 3G connection.
Thanks to KPLC not coming into play, I've had a 3G session running for 22hrs!!
Is it time guys started to think of Safaricom 3G as a "stable" connectivity method, disregarding any speed fluctuations?
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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-- Kind Regards,
Moses Muya.
-- Regards, Mark Mwangi markmwangi.me.ke
eish @mark, Kenyans and freebies!. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Airtel will make no dent. maybe a scratch on the boulder. 3.75G is marketing parlance for hsdpa which safaricom had for years. yesterdays paper promised a 7 day free trial for Airtels new network. how do I get it? dialing those no.s gets me nowhere.
Customer service and simplifying their offers will save them not flogging tech that's been around for years.
On 2/27/12, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wash
Congratulations,you have achieved what the rest of us who have been using Safaricom only dream about! :) I wonder whether Safaricom will up their game now that Airtel is on 3.75 G!I would love to see the same scenario we had on voice!
On 26 February 2012 21:53, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
I've never imagined that Safaricom 3G can these days sustain a connection for so long:
Connection Type 3G/UMTS Login Status Connected Connection Uptime 22:01:32 IP Address 41.90.41.40 Subnet Mask 255.255.255.255 Gateway 10.64.64.64 DNS 1 196.201.208.2 DNS 2 209.244.0.3 DNS 3
The above is from my D-Link DIR-825 running dd-wrt, with a Huawei E1820 plugged into the USB port for the 3G connection.
Thanks to KPLC not coming into play, I've had a 3G session running for 22hrs!!
Is it time guys started to think of Safaricom 3G as a "stable" connectivity method, disregarding any speed fluctuations?
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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-- Regards,
Mark Mwangi
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As a foot note http://mashilingi.blogspot.com/2012/02/submarine-cable-cut-cripples-kenyas.h... Kiania D On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
eish @mark, Kenyans and freebies!.
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Airtel will make no dent. maybe a scratch on the boulder. 3.75G is marketing parlance for hsdpa which safaricom had for years. yesterdays paper promised a 7 day free trial for Airtels new network. how do I get it? dialing those no.s gets me nowhere.
Customer service and simplifying their offers will save them not flogging tech that's been around for years.
On 2/27/12, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wash
Congratulations,you have achieved what the rest of us who have been using Safaricom only dream about! :) I wonder whether Safaricom will up their game now that Airtel is on 3.75 G!I would love to see the same scenario we had on voice!
On 26 February 2012 21:53, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
I've never imagined that Safaricom 3G can these days sustain a connection for so long:
Connection Type 3G/UMTS Login Status Connected Connection Uptime 22:01:32 IP Address 41.90.41.40 Subnet Mask 255.255.255.255 Gateway 10.64.64.64 DNS 1 196.201.208.2 DNS 2 209.244.0.3 DNS 3
The above is from my D-Link DIR-825 running dd-wrt, with a Huawei E1820 plugged into the USB port for the 3G connection.
Thanks to KPLC not coming into play, I've had a 3G session running for 22hrs!!
Is it time guys started to think of Safaricom 3G as a "stable" connectivity method, disregarding any speed fluctuations?
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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@Kiania, am not even going to comment on the fiber outage lest I be accused of flame wars on this list. Key things came up : Ever heard of automated redundancy? No, such things are done manually, since its the best way to do things. Secondly also exposed that most ISPs are running on TEAMs and very little Seacom/Eassy capacity. There has been no official acknowledgement of the problem. In some places it took almost 24 hours before anyone really knew why the problems occurred, as there were no public advisories available. ;-( @Mark_Mwangi : Orange/Telkom invested KSH 5 billion into the new network. Ok, am not going to do free advertisement for them... :-) - Safaricom 3g latencies = 450-700ms. Sometimes you can wake up in the morning and the traffic has been routed via satellite. The following day, it will revert back to fiber. The same afternoon, some protocols will not work while others worked earlier. If they maintained consistency, it still would be a worthwhile to use as the coverage is extensive. But as written earlier, it is not possible to have the best of all worlds. - Orange 3.75G = 200-350ms and over fiber. Looks and feel like a corporate connection. - Airtel 3.75G = unknown at the moment. I'm not sure what to hope to have here, when companies build on the congested model, then quality is very close to the egde of getting lost somewhere. If the 3.75G does turns out to be slower than Safaricom older 3G network, what a disappointment. Corrections welcome. Rgds. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:50 AM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
As a foot note
http://mashilingi.blogspot.com/2012/02/submarine-cable-cut-cripples-kenyas.h...
Kiania D
Just wondering the investment required to have a full redundant TEAMS/SEACOM for an ISP. For some, rhe redundancy exists but not full capacity redundancy. Thats why during the outage, there was great contention at the bottle-neck redundant link I dont think any ISP worth his salt would re-route all traffic to satellite unless for mission critical systems like Mpesa. So the part about latencies due to satellite re-route is a misnomer. The part about "safaricom's older technology" still sends tickles :-) ...Someone aptly pointed out the differences between market and tech jargon being thrown about in here. ./bernard On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:26 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Kiania, am not even going to comment on the fiber outage lest I be accused of flame wars on this list. Key things came up : Ever heard of automated redundancy? No, such things are done manually, since its the best way to do things. Secondly also exposed that most ISPs are running on TEAMs and very little Seacom/Eassy capacity. There has been no official acknowledgement of the problem. In some places it took almost 24 hours before anyone really knew why the problems occurred, as there were no public advisories available. ;-(
@Mark_Mwangi : Orange/Telkom invested KSH 5 billion into the new network. Ok, am not going to do free advertisement for them... :-)
- Safaricom 3g latencies = 450-700ms. Sometimes you can wake up in the morning and the traffic has been routed via satellite. The following day, it will revert back to fiber. The same afternoon, some protocols will not work while others worked earlier. If they maintained consistency, it still would be a worthwhile to use as the coverage is extensive. But as written earlier, it is not possible to have the best of all worlds.
- Orange 3.75G = 200-350ms and over fiber. Looks and feel like a corporate connection.
- Airtel 3.75G = unknown at the moment. I'm not sure what to hope to have here, when companies build on the congested model, then quality is very close to the egde of getting lost somewhere. If the 3.75G does turns out to be slower than Safaricom older 3G network, what a disappointment.
Corrections welcome.
Rgds.
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:50 AM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
As a foot note
http://mashilingi.blogspot.com/2012/02/submarine-cable-cut-cripples-kenyas.h...
Kiania D
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Consider this: TEAMS is a much much cheaper option because of an owned cable, then why are retail 1Mbps circuits being pegged to Seacom old rates of around 400-600USD? I'd say TEAMS retails offering now should be around 125USD/Megabit which is not happening. On how much redundancy should be purchased is clear : the entire country got affected on Saturday due to shares/dependency on TEAMS and into this week. 60/40 ratios seem realistic not 90/10. On Safcom 3g being routed via Sat, I've seen this a number of times. Usually around the time when the unlimited offers come into being. But even on fiber the 450-700ms still way too out for any serious use. Seriously, these latencies impact a lot on sensitive apps like e.g. voip. On Market jargon, here's some figures : Safcom 3g HSDPA network : Uplink speeds cannot exceed *32KB/sec*, as the technology itself is the hinderance. Orange 3g HSUPA/+ network : Uplink speeds cannot exceed *120KB/sec*, as the technology itself is the hinderance. For a start, those two purely indicate the difference between the older and newer network implementation. Corrections welcome. :-) Rgds. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote:
Just wondering the investment required to have a full redundant TEAMS/SEACOM for an ISP. For some, rhe redundancy exists but not full capacity redundancy. Thats why during the outage, there was great contention at the bottle-neck redundant link
I dont think any ISP worth his salt would re-route all traffic to satellite unless for mission critical systems like Mpesa. So the part about latencies due to satellite re-route is a misnomer.
The part about "safaricom's older technology" still sends tickles :-) ...Someone aptly pointed out the differences between market and tech jargon being thrown about in here.
./bernard
TEAMS being cheaper could be the reason Safcom(and everyone else) has 70% of its traffic on it. Again, I don't think anyone routes internet traffic via satellite, the latencies notwithstanding.Since you mentioned unlimited internet, that could point to b/w hoggers. 20% of users on unlimited plan offerings can bring a n/w to its knees, and serious users like you and I suffer terrible latency in the process. Looking at major ISP traffic usage, there's more DL than UL traffic. That could be the reason most mobile telcos would rather concentrate their energies (and money) on HSDPA rather than HSUPA. Also, remember the days when safcom launched 3G? Those good old days when 3g modems were in the hands of the rich few, browsing felt like (heaven?). For those who are lucky enough to fall within safcom's or Orange's HSPA+ 21Mbps areas, they can attest to the wonder. But as experience shows, those 10k/- modems contest with the rest of us outside the HSPA+ areas. Still boils down to what's customer's need Vs. what's business sense. For those with own fiber backhaul (e.g. orange) rolling a 21Mbps site may feel less painful. I still feel reliability tops the priority list, followed by coverage then speed. ./bernard On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 12:00 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Consider this: TEAMS is a much much cheaper option because of an owned cable, then why are retail 1Mbps circuits being pegged to Seacom old rates of around 400-600USD? I'd say TEAMS retails offering now should be around 125USD/Megabit which is not happening. On how much redundancy should be purchased is clear : the entire country got affected on Saturday due to shares/dependency on TEAMS and into this week. 60/40 ratios seem realistic not 90/10.
On Safcom 3g being routed via Sat, I've seen this a number of times. Usually around the time when the unlimited offers come into being. But even on fiber the 450-700ms still way too out for any serious use. Seriously, these latencies impact a lot on sensitive apps like e.g. voip.
On Market jargon, here's some figures :
Safcom 3g HSDPA network : Uplink speeds cannot exceed *32KB/sec*, as the technology itself is the hinderance.
Orange 3g HSUPA/+ network : Uplink speeds cannot exceed *120KB/sec*, as the technology itself is the hinderance.
For a start, those two purely indicate the difference between the older and newer network implementation.
Corrections welcome. :-)
Rgds.
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote:
Just wondering the investment required to have a full redundant TEAMS/SEACOM for an ISP. For some, rhe redundancy exists but not full capacity redundancy. Thats why during the outage, there was great contention at the bottle-neck redundant link
I dont think any ISP worth his salt would re-route all traffic to satellite unless for mission critical systems like Mpesa. So the part about latencies due to satellite re-route is a misnomer.
The part about "safaricom's older technology" still sends tickles :-) ...Someone aptly pointed out the differences between market and tech jargon being thrown about in here.
./bernard
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The day TEAMS and local ISPs offer the realistic rates of dedicated 1Mbps (125KBp/s duplex dedciated ) @100/125USD is the day I stop using 3g networks except for mobility. I agree that the 21Mbps network is really good as I've measured upto 9Mbps on Orange. I've not gone deeper into the new generation HSXXX networks, but I believe there are significantly new changes in managing services which affect the overall network performance. At the same time, I don't rule out Safcom on the regular 3g but it will find itself having to make a jump to upgrading the technologies in due course. Rgds. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote:
TEAMS being cheaper could be the reason Safcom(and everyone else) has 70% of its traffic on it.
Again, I don't think anyone routes internet traffic via satellite, the latencies notwithstanding.Since you mentioned unlimited internet, that could point to b/w hoggers. 20% of users on unlimited plan offerings can bring a n/w to its knees, and serious users like you and I suffer terrible latency in the process.
Looking at major ISP traffic usage, there's more DL than UL traffic. That could be the reason most mobile telcos would rather concentrate their energies (and money) on HSDPA rather than HSUPA. Also, remember the days when safcom launched 3G? Those good old days when 3g modems were in the hands of the rich few, browsing felt like (heaven?). For those who are lucky enough to fall within safcom's or Orange's HSPA+ 21Mbps areas, they can attest to the wonder. But as experience shows, those 10k/- modems contest with the rest of us outside the HSPA+ areas. Still boils down to what's customer's need Vs. what's business sense. For those with own fiber backhaul (e.g. orange) rolling a 21Mbps site may feel less painful. I still feel reliability tops the priority list, followed by coverage then speed.
./bernard
@aki I donno what BTS you use but those are really erroneous speeds you are talking about. Back when safaricom were still testing the 3g the hsdpa easily hit 200kBps and maintained it. I know the difference btwn bits n bytes and this is bytes. safaricom also have that "new" hsupa network that allegedly hits 21mbps. Any throttling is by the Telco not the tech. guess the network field is level now. competition will be on the coverage and reliability front. On 2/27/12, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Consider this: TEAMS is a much much cheaper option because of an owned cable, then why are retail 1Mbps circuits being pegged to Seacom old rates of around 400-600USD? I'd say TEAMS retails offering now should be around 125USD/Megabit which is not happening. On how much redundancy should be purchased is clear : the entire country got affected on Saturday due to shares/dependency on TEAMS and into this week. 60/40 ratios seem realistic not 90/10.
On Safcom 3g being routed via Sat, I've seen this a number of times. Usually around the time when the unlimited offers come into being. But even on fiber the 450-700ms still way too out for any serious use. Seriously, these latencies impact a lot on sensitive apps like e.g. voip.
On Market jargon, here's some figures :
Safcom 3g HSDPA network : Uplink speeds cannot exceed *32KB/sec*, as the technology itself is the hinderance.
Orange 3g HSUPA/+ network : Uplink speeds cannot exceed *120KB/sec*, as the technology itself is the hinderance.
For a start, those two purely indicate the difference between the older and newer network implementation.
Corrections welcome. :-)
Rgds.
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote:
Just wondering the investment required to have a full redundant TEAMS/SEACOM for an ISP. For some, rhe redundancy exists but not full capacity redundancy. Thats why during the outage, there was great contention at the bottle-neck redundant link
I dont think any ISP worth his salt would re-route all traffic to satellite unless for mission critical systems like Mpesa. So the part about latencies due to satellite re-route is a misnomer.
The part about "safaricom's older technology" still sends tickles :-) ...Someone aptly pointed out the differences between market and tech jargon being thrown about in here.
./bernard
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@Mark, you are correct that coverage and reliability is the final decider. On my Orange testing on 3g, I've hit 800KB/s on this network and not limited to just one place. Ofcourse as they add more users, those speeds will drop. Orange at the moment is doing around 250KB/s to 370KB/sec easily and the latencies are great. Should they sustain this, I'll be their supporter. :-) On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
@aki I donno what BTS you use but those are really erroneous speeds you are talking about.
Back when safaricom were still testing the 3g the hsdpa easily hit 200kBps and maintained it. I know the difference btwn bits n bytes and this is bytes.
safaricom also have that "new" hsupa network that allegedly hits 21mbps.
Any throttling is by the Telco not the tech. guess the network field is level now. competition will be on the coverage and reliability front.
Hehehehehe Funny.No comment but lets watch the space. :-) On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 1:02 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Mark, you are correct that coverage and reliability is the final decider. On my Orange testing on 3g, I've hit 800KB/s on this network and not limited to just one place. Ofcourse as they add more users, those speeds will drop. Orange at the moment is doing around 250KB/s to 370KB/sec easily and the latencies are great. Should they sustain this, I'll be their supporter. :-)
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
@aki I donno what BTS you use but those are really erroneous speeds you are talking about.
Back when safaricom were still testing the 3g the hsdpa easily hit 200kBps and maintained it. I know the difference btwn bits n bytes and this is bytes.
safaricom also have that "new" hsupa network that allegedly hits 21mbps.
Any throttling is by the Telco not the tech. guess the network field is level now. competition will be on the coverage and reliability front.
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Actually, Safcom, Orange and Airtel can all do 42 Mbps if they so wished. But would users afford the modem?:-) Its all marketing on Airtel's part. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Memusi <tonatech@gmail.com> wrote:
Hehehehehe Funny.No comment but lets watch the space. :-)
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 1:02 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Mark, you are correct that coverage and reliability is the final decider. On my Orange testing on 3g, I've hit 800KB/s on this network and not limited to just one place. Ofcourse as they add more users, those speeds will drop. Orange at the moment is doing around 250KB/s to 370KB/sec easily and the latencies are great. Should they sustain this, I'll be their supporter. :-)
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
@aki I donno what BTS you use but those are really erroneous speeds you are talking about.
Back when safaricom were still testing the 3g the hsdpa easily hit 200kBps and maintained it. I know the difference btwn bits n bytes and this is bytes.
safaricom also have that "new" hsupa network that allegedly hits 21mbps.
Any throttling is by the Telco not the tech. guess the network field is level now. competition will be on the coverage and reliability front.
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Will that modem cost more than iPad3, which we can afford? :-) On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 18:26, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually, Safcom, Orange and Airtel can all do 42 Mbps if they so wished. But would users afford the modem?:-)
Its all marketing on Airtel's part.
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Memusi <tonatech@gmail.com> wrote:
Hehehehehe Funny.No comment but lets watch the space. :-)
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 1:02 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Mark, you are correct that coverage and reliability is the final decider. On my Orange testing on 3g, I've hit 800KB/s on this network and not limited to just one place. Ofcourse as they add more users, those speeds will drop. Orange at the moment is doing around 250KB/s to 370KB/sec easily and the latencies are great. Should they sustain this, I'll be their supporter. :-)
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
@aki I donno what BTS you use but those are really erroneous speeds you are talking about.
Back when safaricom were still testing the 3g the hsdpa easily hit 200kBps and maintained it. I know the difference btwn bits n bytes and this is bytes.
safaricom also have that "new" hsupa network that allegedly hits 21mbps.
Any throttling is by the Telco not the tech. guess the network field is level now. competition will be on the coverage and reliability front.
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@John Doe, some comments from me, slightly off-topic. IMHO :-) I tend to disagree with you that all 3g networks are the same because newer technologies means better usage of the frequency spectrums and multiplexing techniques. However, unfortunately at the moment I do not have the time to do further research into the various HSXXX technologies, else I'd have done a write up on it. I'd like to invite Telco or Mobile network engineers on all networks to be part of this discussion on the HSXXX standards. I believe on Skunks its not an issue of who you are or where you work ( so there is no need for the disclaimers such as "this is my personal view and does not represent the view of my employer etc etc)", as long as you are a technologist and can comment to improve knowledge and discussions, we will go a long way. Technologists need to take a leaf from PS Dr Ndemo. Does anyone ever ask Dr Ndemo about anything thats going on in e.g the OP or govt sectors? Similarly, when I communicate onlist with people whom I read are with e.g. Safaricom, it would be pretty childish and immature of me to ask them about internal Safaricom affairs.They are technologists like many on this list, and should not be denied the right to openly communicate just because they work or are associated somewhere. If we are denying technologists the chance to communicate because of their professional commitments, this amounts to discrimination as an open forum. I believe the floor is open to technologists to debate the HSXXX technologies and give their views. Over and out for now. Rgds. On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 6:26 PM, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually, Safcom, Orange and Airtel can all do 42 Mbps if they so wished. But would users afford the modem?:-)
Its all marketing on Airtel's part.
@ Washington, we can afford anything :-) we went to Maranda you know ;-) @ aki, all those HSXXX technologies are some mutation of 3G. The air interface remains the same, you do not change the node b, or the spectrum or the multiplexing technique. I'm not really a radio guy so I unfortunately don't know the details on how they achieve this, but I know if Safcom or Airtel or Orange wished to do 42 Mbps today, they could certainly achieve it with some parameter and license changes on the existing 3G networks. Now 2Gis different from 3G and is different fro 4G. You need some serious upgrades to transition from one to the other. Either on the core or on the radio network/air interface. Maybe someone can shed some light on how the various rates are achieved.... On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:42 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@John Doe, some comments from me, slightly off-topic. IMHO :-)
I tend to disagree with you that all 3g networks are the same because newer technologies means better usage of the frequency spectrums and multiplexing techniques. However, unfortunately at the moment I do not have the time to do further research into the various HSXXX technologies, else I'd have done a write up on it.
I'd like to invite Telco or Mobile network engineers on all networks to be part of this discussion on the HSXXX standards. I believe on Skunks its not an issue of who you are or where you work ( so there is no need for the disclaimers such as "this is my personal view and does not represent the view of my employer etc etc)", as long as you are a technologist and can comment to improve knowledge and discussions, we will go a long way. Technologists need to take a leaf from PS Dr Ndemo. Does anyone ever ask Dr Ndemo about anything thats going on in e.g the OP or govt sectors?
Similarly, when I communicate onlist with people whom I read are with e.g. Safaricom, it would be pretty childish and immature of me to ask them about internal Safaricom affairs.They are technologists like many on this list, and should not be denied the right to openly communicate just because they work or are associated somewhere. If we are denying technologists the chance to communicate because of their professional commitments, this amounts to discrimination as an open forum.
I believe the floor is open to technologists to debate the HSXXX technologies and give their views.
Over and out for now.
Rgds.
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 6:26 PM, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually, Safcom, Orange and Airtel can all do 42 Mbps if they so wished. But would users afford the modem?:-)
Its all marketing on Airtel's part.
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Then how come Safaricom have some BTS on 21 Mbps while the rest are on 7?
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eish @mark, Kenyans and freebies!.
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Airtel will make no dent. maybe a scratch on the boulder. 3.75G is marketing parlance for hsdpa which safaricom had for years. yesterdays paper promised a 7 day free trial for Airtels new network. how do I get it? dialing those no.s gets me nowhere.
Customer service and simplifying their offers will save them not flogging tech that's been around for years.
On 2/27/12, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wash
Congratulations,you have achieved what the rest of us who have been using Safaricom only dream about! :) I wonder whether Safaricom will up their game now that Airtel is on 3.75 G!I would love to see the same scenario we had on voice!
On 26 February 2012 21:53, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
I've never imagined that Safaricom 3G can these days sustain a connection for so long:
Connection Type 3G/UMTS Login Status Connected Connection Uptime 22:01:32 IP Address 41.90.41.40 Subnet Mask 255.255.255.255 Gateway 10.64.64.64 DNS 1 196.201.208.2 DNS 2 209.244.0.3 DNS 3
The above is from my D-Link DIR-825 running dd-wrt, with a Huawei E1820 plugged into the USB port for the 3G connection.
Thanks to KPLC not coming into play, I've had a 3G session running for 22hrs!!
Is it time guys started to think of Safaricom 3G as a "stable" connectivity method, disregarding any speed fluctuations?
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@Mark, that is why Orange 3.75G is a super implementation. 3.75G ( HSPA+/HSUPA ) will make 3.5G ( HSDPA ) look like EDGE networks. Try Orange and see what I mean, you get better work productivity. Sample a voip session, you will be able to tell the difference. Infact Orange & Airtel should be marketing their 3.75G as the new generation networks. So not only are they on newer technologies but are offering cheaper rates than, in my view, the old 3.5G Safcom network. So price wise, Safcom that is still on the older technology and will become outdated, is more expensive. Customer service plagues them all, no Telco can be singled out as the worst or best. I guess they all play golf together.... :-) Some thots. Rgds. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Airtel will make no dent. maybe a scratch on the boulder. 3.75G is marketing parlance for hsdpa which safaricom had for years. yesterdays paper promised a 7 day free trial for Airtels new network. how do I get it? dialing those no.s gets me nowhere.
Customer service and simplifying their offers will save them not flogging tech that's been around for years.
Funny! ./bernard On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:40 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Mark, that is why Orange 3.75G is a super implementation. 3.75G ( HSPA+/HSUPA ) will make 3.5G ( HSDPA ) look like EDGE networks. Try Orange and see what I mean, you get better work productivity. Sample a voip session, you will be able to tell the difference. Infact Orange & Airtel should be marketing their 3.75G as the new generation networks. So not only are they on newer technologies but are offering cheaper rates than, in my view, the old 3.5G Safcom network. So price wise, Safcom that is still on the older technology and will become outdated, is more expensive.
Customer service plagues them all, no Telco can be singled out as the worst or best. I guess they all play golf together.... :-)
Some thots.
Rgds.
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Airtel will make no dent. maybe a scratch on the boulder. 3.75G is marketing parlance for hsdpa which safaricom had for years. yesterdays paper promised a 7 day free trial for Airtels new network. how do I get it? dialing those no.s gets me nowhere.
Customer service and simplifying their offers will save them not flogging tech that's been around for years.
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Bernard Mwagiru -
Collins Areba -
David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd -
Dennis Kioko -
John Doe -
Mark Mwangi -
Memusi -
Moses Muya -
Odhiambo Washington -
Paul Kevin