Market for stolen goods
How big is the market for stolen goods, especially electronics? With the surge in jackings <http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Public-transport-crews-collude-with-carjackers-/-/1056/2076250/-/98o5i2/-/index.html>and burglaries where the thieves concentrate on electronics, it must mean there are ready buyers, presumably wholesale buyers. For these 'wholesale buyers', they also have to have the confidence they can dispose their loot easily. And that's where you and I come in by providing constant demand. Is it that: a) As a nation we pride ourselves in taking shortcuts? Have you realized that if you follow rules people will generally look down on you? That you are likely to be branded unsophisticated, not very smart, etc. On the other hand, guys who use dubious means to achieve stuff are regarded as intelligent, street-smart, etc. (This applies in so many other scenarios) b) We want to have "that" life but the 'straight' method is just too expensive? i.e, I would love to own an S4 or an iPhone but I cant afford one. So when I get an offer for 30k, I am likely to take it. c) We are genuinely oblivious of the vicious cycle we put ourselves in by creating demand for stolen stuff? d) We've been hit before and figured that "if you cant beat them, join them"? If you buy an expensive phone and it's stolen from you, are you likely to shell the same cash again to buy a new one? Would you downgrade? Would you look for a similar but cheaper offer? e) We genuinely unaware that the merchandise could be stolen? But then again, why would anyone sell an item for third of the price?
visit o-l-x.co.ke for stolen goods... Or ask Eric Only Omondi.. he will say 50% are stolen goods On 20 November 2013 11:58, Tech List Kenya <techlistkenya@gmail.com> wrote:
How big is the market for stolen goods, especially electronics?
With the surge in jackings <http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Public-transport-crews-collude-with-carjackers-/-/1056/2076250/-/98o5i2/-/index.html>and burglaries where the thieves concentrate on electronics, it must mean there are ready buyers, presumably wholesale buyers.
For these 'wholesale buyers', they also have to have the confidence they can dispose their loot easily.
And that's where you and I come in by providing constant demand.
Is it that:
a) As a nation we pride ourselves in taking shortcuts? Have you realized that if you follow rules people will generally look down on you? That you are likely to be branded unsophisticated, not very smart, etc. On the other hand, guys who use dubious means to achieve stuff are regarded as intelligent, street-smart, etc. (This applies in so many other scenarios)
b) We want to have "that" life but the 'straight' method is just too expensive? i.e, I would love to own an S4 or an iPhone but I cant afford one. So when I get an offer for 30k, I am likely to take it.
c) We are genuinely oblivious of the vicious cycle we put ourselves in by creating demand for stolen stuff?
d) We've been hit before and figured that "if you cant beat them, join them"? If you buy an expensive phone and it's stolen from you, are you likely to shell the same cash again to buy a new one? Would you downgrade? Would you look for a similar but cheaper offer?
e) We genuinely unaware that the merchandise could be stolen? But then again, why would anyone sell an item for third of the price?
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The market is as big as OLX - where everything sells.
There is also an international market that is probably bigger than the local one. Using a stolen phone in the country is very risky since cops easily get a hold of you via the telcos. Sell it to a Congolese or Ugandan guy on the other hand and the bureaucracy makes it harder. My stolen phone is in use in Morogoro Tanzania. On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:03 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
The market is as big as OLX - where everything sells.
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Maybe it's time Kenya took steps to arrest the selling online situation before it gets out of hand: http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-11-16/gurgaon/44137444_1_st... OLX Faces Internet Intermediary Liability For Selling Stolen Goods Through Its Website: http://ptlb.in/ccici/?p=259 On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
There is also an international market that is probably bigger than the local one. Using a stolen phone in the country is very risky since cops easily get a hold of you via the telcos. Sell it to a Congolese or Ugandan guy on the other hand and the bureaucracy makes it harder.
My stolen phone is in use in Morogoro Tanzania.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:03 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
The market is as big as OLX - where everything sells.
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I think this is something that we cannot easily control. So I say to you all - if you can afford that gadget, please also budget for it's insurance. Thieves will always be there, and they need money so they will always find ways to dispose of the stolen items, right? Think of the solution rather than concentrating on the problem. On 20 November 2013 14:16, Tech List Kenya <techlistkenya@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe it's time Kenya took steps to arrest the selling online situation before it gets out of hand:
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-11-16/gurgaon/44137444_1_st... OLX Faces Internet Intermediary Liability For Selling Stolen Goods Through Its Website: http://ptlb.in/ccici/?p=259
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
There is also an international market that is probably bigger than the local one. Using a stolen phone in the country is very risky since cops easily get a hold of you via the telcos. Sell it to a Congolese or Ugandan guy on the other hand and the bureaucracy makes it harder.
My stolen phone is in use in Morogoro Tanzania.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:03 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com
wrote:
The market is as big as OLX - where everything sells.
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What exactly is there to control in the online market place? I can also open a shop and sell second hand phones(stolen or otherwise) OLX is not a culprit, closing the platform will not stop anything. On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
I think this is something that we cannot easily control. So I say to you all - if you can afford that gadget, please also budget for it's insurance. Thieves will always be there, and they need money so they will always find ways to dispose of the stolen items, right? Think of the solution rather than concentrating on the problem.
On 20 November 2013 14:16, Tech List Kenya <techlistkenya@gmail.com>wrote:
Maybe it's time Kenya took steps to arrest the selling online situation before it gets out of hand:
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-11-16/gurgaon/44137444_1_st... OLX Faces Internet Intermediary Liability For Selling Stolen Goods Through Its Website: http://ptlb.in/ccici/?p=259
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
There is also an international market that is probably bigger than the local one. Using a stolen phone in the country is very risky since cops easily get a hold of you via the telcos. Sell it to a Congolese or Ugandan guy on the other hand and the bureaucracy makes it harder.
My stolen phone is in use in Morogoro Tanzania.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:03 PM, ndungu stephen < ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
The market is as big as OLX - where everything sells.
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+1 On 20 November 2013 14:50, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
What exactly is there to control in the online market place? I can also open a shop and sell second hand phones(stolen or otherwise)
OLX is not a culprit, closing the platform will not stop anything.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
I think this is something that we cannot easily control. So I say to you all - if you can afford that gadget, please also budget for it's insurance. Thieves will always be there, and they need money so they will always find ways to dispose of the stolen items, right? Think of the solution rather than concentrating on the problem.
On 20 November 2013 14:16, Tech List Kenya <techlistkenya@gmail.com>wrote:
Maybe it's time Kenya took steps to arrest the selling online situation before it gets out of hand:
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-11-16/gurgaon/44137444_1_st... OLX Faces Internet Intermediary Liability For Selling Stolen Goods Through Its Website: http://ptlb.in/ccici/?p=259
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
There is also an international market that is probably bigger than the local one. Using a stolen phone in the country is very risky since cops easily get a hold of you via the telcos. Sell it to a Congolese or Ugandan guy on the other hand and the bureaucracy makes it harder.
My stolen phone is in use in Morogoro Tanzania.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:03 PM, ndungu stephen < ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
The market is as big as OLX - where everything sells.
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What about proof of ownership before selling, for starters? On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
+1
On 20 November 2013 14:50, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
What exactly is there to control in the online market place? I can also open a shop and sell second hand phones(stolen or otherwise)
OLX is not a culprit, closing the platform will not stop anything.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
I think this is something that we cannot easily control. So I say to you all - if you can afford that gadget, please also budget for it's insurance. Thieves will always be there, and they need money so they will always find ways to dispose of the stolen items, right? Think of the solution rather than concentrating on the problem.
On 20 November 2013 14:16, Tech List Kenya <techlistkenya@gmail.com>wrote:
Maybe it's time Kenya took steps to arrest the selling online situation before it gets out of hand:
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-11-16/gurgaon/44137444_1_st... OLX Faces Internet Intermediary Liability For Selling Stolen Goods Through Its Website: http://ptlb.in/ccici/?p=259
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
There is also an international market that is probably bigger than the local one. Using a stolen phone in the country is very risky since cops easily get a hold of you via the telcos. Sell it to a Congolese or Ugandan guy on the other hand and the bureaucracy makes it harder.
My stolen phone is in use in Morogoro Tanzania.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:03 PM, ndungu stephen < ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
The market is as big as OLX - where everything sells.
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@Lawi Do you still have the receipt for the fridge, cooker, tv, etc you bought 10 years ago? I don't. On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
What about proof of ownership before selling, for starters?
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
+1
On 20 November 2013 14:50, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
What exactly is there to control in the online market place? I can also open a shop and sell second hand phones(stolen or otherwise)
OLX is not a culprit, closing the platform will not stop anything.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com
wrote:
I think this is something that we cannot easily control. So I say to you all - if you can afford that gadget, please also budget for it's insurance. Thieves will always be there, and they need money so they will always find ways to dispose of the stolen items, right? Think of the solution rather than concentrating on the problem.
On 20 November 2013 14:16, Tech List Kenya <techlistkenya@gmail.com>wrote:
Maybe it's time Kenya took steps to arrest the selling online situation before it gets out of hand:
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-11-16/gurgaon/44137444_1_st... OLX Faces Internet Intermediary Liability For Selling Stolen Goods Through Its Website: http://ptlb.in/ccici/?p=259
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
There is also an international market that is probably bigger than the local one. Using a stolen phone in the country is very risky since cops easily get a hold of you via the telcos. Sell it to a Congolese or Ugandan guy on the other hand and the bureaucracy makes it harder.
My stolen phone is in use in Morogoro Tanzania.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:03 PM, ndungu stephen < ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
> The market is as big as OLX - where everything sells. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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Neither do I. If there was some form of registry even voluntary where you can register your phones IMEI so that a potential buyer can cross check identity of owner then that could work. Receipts are the easiest thing to forge. On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
@Lawi
Do you still have the receipt for the fridge, cooker, tv, etc you bought 10 years ago? I don't.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
What about proof of ownership before selling, for starters?
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
+1
On 20 November 2013 14:50, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
What exactly is there to control in the online market place? I can also open a shop and sell second hand phones(stolen or otherwise)
OLX is not a culprit, closing the platform will not stop anything.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
I think this is something that we cannot easily control. So I say to you all - if you can afford that gadget, please also budget for it's insurance. Thieves will always be there, and they need money so they will always find ways to dispose of the stolen items, right? Think of the solution rather than concentrating on the problem.
On 20 November 2013 14:16, Tech List Kenya <techlistkenya@gmail.com>wrote:
Maybe it's time Kenya took steps to arrest the selling online situation before it gets out of hand:
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-11-16/gurgaon/44137444_1_st... OLX Faces Internet Intermediary Liability For Selling Stolen Goods Through Its Website: http://ptlb.in/ccici/?p=259
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com>wrote:
> There is also an international market that is probably bigger than > the local one. Using a stolen phone in the country is very risky since cops > easily get a hold of you via the telcos. Sell it to a Congolese or Ugandan > guy on the other hand and the bureaucracy makes it harder. > > My stolen phone is in use in Morogoro Tanzania. > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:03 PM, ndungu stephen < > ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote: > >> The market is as big as OLX - where everything sells. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > Regards, > > Mark Mwangi > > markmwangi.me.ke > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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@Brian, you are right. But I believe handling stolen goods is a very serious crime. If as the buyer I dont verify the item belongs to the buyer and I am caught, I believe the next time I will not even look at any item twice if there is no proof of ownership. Replicate this a few times and it will catch on. On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Neither do I. If there was some form of registry even voluntary where you can register your phones IMEI so that a potential buyer can cross check identity of owner then that could work. Receipts are the easiest thing to forge.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
@Lawi
Do you still have the receipt for the fridge, cooker, tv, etc you bought 10 years ago? I don't.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
What about proof of ownership before selling, for starters?
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com
wrote:
+1
On 20 November 2013 14:50, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
What exactly is there to control in the online market place? I can also open a shop and sell second hand phones(stolen or otherwise)
OLX is not a culprit, closing the platform will not stop anything.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
I think this is something that we cannot easily control. So I say to you all - if you can afford that gadget, please also budget for it's insurance. Thieves will always be there, and they need money so they will always find ways to dispose of the stolen items, right? Think of the solution rather than concentrating on the problem.
On 20 November 2013 14:16, Tech List Kenya <techlistkenya@gmail.com>wrote:
> Maybe it's time Kenya took steps to arrest the selling online > situation before it gets out of hand: > > > http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-11-16/gurgaon/44137444_1_st... > OLX Faces Internet Intermediary Liability For Selling Stolen Goods > Through Its Website: http://ptlb.in/ccici/?p=259 > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com>wrote: > >> There is also an international market that is probably bigger than >> the local one. Using a stolen phone in the country is very risky since cops >> easily get a hold of you via the telcos. Sell it to a Congolese or Ugandan >> guy on the other hand and the bureaucracy makes it harder. >> >> My stolen phone is in use in Morogoro Tanzania. >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:03 PM, ndungu stephen < >> ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> The market is as big as OLX - where everything sells. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Mark Mwangi >> >> markmwangi.me.ke >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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Nairobi Half life 101 Oliver On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
@Brian, you are right. But I believe handling stolen goods is a very serious crime. If as the buyer I dont verify the item belongs to the buyer and I am caught, I believe the next time I will not even look at any item twice if there is no proof of ownership.
Replicate this a few times and it will catch on.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Neither do I. If there was some form of registry even voluntary where you can register your phones IMEI so that a potential buyer can cross check identity of owner then that could work. Receipts are the easiest thing to forge.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
@Lawi
Do you still have the receipt for the fridge, cooker, tv, etc you bought 10 years ago? I don't.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com>wrote:
What about proof of ownership before selling, for starters?
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
+1
On 20 November 2013 14:50, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
What exactly is there to control in the online market place? I can also open a shop and sell second hand phones(stolen or otherwise)
OLX is not a culprit, closing the platform will not stop anything.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think this is something that we cannot easily control. So I say to > you all - if you can afford that gadget, please also budget for it's > insurance. Thieves will always be there, and they need money so they will > always find ways to dispose of the stolen items, right? Think of the > solution rather than concentrating on the problem. > > > On 20 November 2013 14:16, Tech List Kenya <techlistkenya@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Maybe it's time Kenya took steps to arrest the selling online >> situation before it gets out of hand: >> >> >> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-11-16/gurgaon/44137444_1_st... >> OLX Faces Internet Intermediary Liability For Selling Stolen Goods >> Through Its Website: http://ptlb.in/ccici/?p=259 >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> There is also an international market that is probably bigger than >>> the local one. Using a stolen phone in the country is very risky since cops >>> easily get a hold of you via the telcos. Sell it to a Congolese or Ugandan >>> guy on the other hand and the bureaucracy makes it harder. >>> >>> My stolen phone is in use in Morogoro Tanzania. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:03 PM, ndungu stephen < >>> ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> The market is as big as OLX - where everything sells. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> >>> Mark Mwangi >>> >>> markmwangi.me.ke >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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Lets not even go far, away from the the online market you should take a walk down mfangano street for one... those shops doing "phone repairs" are only but a cover up. Yes they do repairs but that is where the black market is thriving. Those that steal are nothing but a means to an end and really make little money... Because they are just small time criminals looking for little cash to buy their ext drug of choice... most of the times they even have no clue of the worth of the stolen phone... the middle man is now the one that makes most.. he might end buying a phone are throw away price and puts it up for a very huge mark up... they also know whom to buy a phone from and whom not to trust... they do have a network of the pickpockets whom they trust... this is because they have to be careful least they get "simu moto" - phone stolen from criminal scene whereby the CID can track it. So they never just buy phones from anyone. they also sell such phones to people who will be leaving the country and let you know if the phone is hot or not so that you cannot switch it on in Kenya. They always have cash all the time coz these merchandise is unpredictable. such middle men are the rich ones and make the most. Unfortunately to us, we are the ignorant fools who buy such phones and in case of tracking the buyer is the one that pays the price. and well you are not able to pinpoint the person whom you bought it from and are therefore thrown into jail for the crime in case someone was killed for it. Well i have tried to get an article the nation media ran on the black market early this year, but i cant seem to trace it. It would have explained the market better. But it is huge and thriving, esp on the downtown streets, of river road, mfangano and the rest. In the meantime here is an article about the middle man. http://www.nation.co.ke/counties/nairobi/The-dirt-behind-their-fast-lane-lif... On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
Nairobi Half life 101
Oliver
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
@Brian, you are right. But I believe handling stolen goods is a very serious crime. If as the buyer I dont verify the item belongs to the buyer and I am caught, I believe the next time I will not even look at any item twice if there is no proof of ownership.
Replicate this a few times and it will catch on.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Neither do I. If there was some form of registry even voluntary where you can register your phones IMEI so that a potential buyer can cross check identity of owner then that could work. Receipts are the easiest thing to forge.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
@Lawi
Do you still have the receipt for the fridge, cooker, tv, etc you bought 10 years ago? I don't.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com>wrote:
What about proof of ownership before selling, for starters?
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
+1
On 20 November 2013 14:50, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
> What exactly is there to control in the online market place? I can > also open a shop and sell second hand phones(stolen or otherwise) > > OLX is not a culprit, closing the platform will not stop anything. > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Odhiambo Washington < > odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I think this is something that we cannot easily control. So I say >> to you all - if you can afford that gadget, please also budget for it's >> insurance. Thieves will always be there, and they need money so they will >> always find ways to dispose of the stolen items, right? Think of the >> solution rather than concentrating on the problem. >> >> >> On 20 November 2013 14:16, Tech List Kenya <techlistkenya@gmail.com >> > wrote: >> >>> Maybe it's time Kenya took steps to arrest the selling online >>> situation before it gets out of hand: >>> >>> >>> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-11-16/gurgaon/44137444_1_st... >>> OLX Faces Internet Intermediary Liability For Selling Stolen Goods >>> Through Its Website: http://ptlb.in/ccici/?p=259 >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> There is also an international market that is probably bigger >>>> than the local one. Using a stolen phone in the country is very risky since >>>> cops easily get a hold of you via the telcos. Sell it to a Congolese or >>>> Ugandan guy on the other hand and the bureaucracy makes it harder. >>>> >>>> My stolen phone is in use in Morogoro Tanzania. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:03 PM, ndungu stephen < >>>> ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The market is as big as OLX - where everything sells. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Mark Mwangi >>>> >>>> markmwangi.me.ke >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> Nairobi,KE >> +254733744121/+254722743223 >> "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > Regards, > > Mark Mwangi > > markmwangi.me.ke > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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Since last yr, I've lost 3 phones amounting to over 150k. So far, I've only managed to keep track of one that is used by an mpesa guy who keeps on travelling all over the country, has over 10 registered simcards and more than 3 phones. Luckily, I've insured everything I own and this carters for my losses. Right now, I chatting with a guy who is selling a HTC ONE for 40k. My take is, never buy any electronic unless the original box is provided for you to compare the serial. I know a guy who sells S4's for less than 30k and they move like hot cake. On Wednesday, 20 November 2013, Christine Mutheu Kisilu wrote:
Lets not even go far, away from the the online market you should take a walk down mfangano street for one... those shops doing "phone repairs" are only but a cover up. Yes they do repairs but that is where the black market is thriving. Those that steal are nothing but a means to an end and really make little money... Because they are just small time criminals looking for little cash to buy their ext drug of choice... most of the times they even have no clue of the worth of the stolen phone... the middle man is now the one that makes most.. he might end buying a phone are throw away price and puts it up for a very huge mark up... they also know whom to buy a phone from and whom not to trust... they do have a network of the pickpockets whom they trust... this is because they have to be careful least they get "simu moto" - phone stolen from criminal scene whereby the CID can track it. So they never just buy phones from anyone. they also sell such phones to people who will be leaving the country and let you know if the phone is hot or not so that you cannot switch it on in Kenya. They always have cash all the time coz these merchandise is unpredictable. such middle men are the rich ones and make the most. Unfortunately to us, we are the ignorant fools who buy such phones and in case of tracking the buyer is the one that pays the price. and well you are not able to pinpoint the person whom you bought it from and are therefore thrown into jail for the crime in case someone was killed for it. Well i have tried to get an article the nation media ran on the black market early this year, but i cant seem to trace it. It would have explained the market better. But it is huge and thriving, esp on the downtown streets, of river road, mfangano and the rest. In the meantime here is an article about the middle man.
http://www.nation.co.ke/counties/nairobi/The-dirt-behind-their-fast-lane-lif...
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
Nairobi Half life 101
Oliver
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
@Brian, you are right. But I believe handling stolen goods is a very serious crime. If as the buyer I dont verify the item belongs to the buyer and I am caught, I believe the next time I will not even look at any item twice if there is no proof of ownership.
Replicate this a few times and it will catch on.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Neither do I. If there was some form of registry even voluntary where you can register your phones IMEI so that a potential buyer can cross check identity of owner then that could work. Receipts are the easiest thing to forge.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
@Lawi
Do you still have the receipt for the fridge, cooker, tv, etc you bought 10 years ago? I don't.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
What about proof of ownership before selling, for starters?
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
+1
On 20 November 2013 14:50, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
What exactly is there to control in the online market place? I can also open a shop and sell second hand phones(stolen or otherwise)
OLX is not a culprit, closing the platform will not stop anything.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
I think this is something that we cannot easily control. So I say to you all - if you can afford that gadget, please also budget for it's insurance. Thieves will always be there, and they need money so they will always find ways to dispose of the stolen items, right? Think of the solution rather than concentrating on the problem.
On 20 November 2013 14:16, Tech List Kenya <techlistkenya@gmail.com>wrote:
Maybe it's time Kenya took steps to arrest the selling online situation before it gets out of hand:
a mistake becomes a mistake once you repeat it.
A big chunk of the blame goes to the CID. They have failed in tracking of stolen phones. Unless you are the who is who in this country, chances of recovering your stolen phone are very slim. On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 6:21 PM, mash lists <mashlists@gmail.com> wrote:
Since last yr, I've lost 3 phones amounting to over 150k. So far, I've only managed to keep track of one that is used by an mpesa guy who keeps on travelling all over the country, has over 10 registered simcards and more than 3 phones. Luckily, I've insured everything I own and this carters for my losses. Right now, I chatting with a guy who is selling a HTC ONE for 40k. My take is, never buy any electronic unless the original box is provided for you to compare the serial. I know a guy who sells S4's for less than 30k and they move like hot cake.
On Wednesday, 20 November 2013, Christine Mutheu Kisilu wrote:
Lets not even go far, away from the the online market you should take a walk down mfangano street for one... those shops doing "phone repairs" are only but a cover up. Yes they do repairs but that is where the black market is thriving. Those that steal are nothing but a means to an end and really make little money... Because they are just small time criminals looking for little cash to buy their ext drug of choice... most of the times they even have no clue of the worth of the stolen phone... the middle man is now the one that makes most.. he might end buying a phone are throw away price and puts it up for a very huge mark up... they also know whom to buy a phone from and whom not to trust... they do have a network of the pickpockets whom they trust... this is because they have to be careful least they get "simu moto" - phone stolen from criminal scene whereby the CID can track it. So they never just buy phones from anyone. they also sell such phones to people who will be leaving the country and let you know if the phone is hot or not so that you cannot switch it on in Kenya. They always have cash all the time coz these merchandise is unpredictable. such middle men are the rich ones and make the most. Unfortunately to us, we are the ignorant fools who buy such phones and in case of tracking the buyer is the one that pays the price. and well you are not able to pinpoint the person whom you bought it from and are therefore thrown into jail for the crime in case someone was killed for it. Well i have tried to get an article the nation media ran on the black market early this year, but i cant seem to trace it. It would have explained the market better. But it is huge and thriving, esp on the downtown streets, of river road, mfangano and the rest. In the meantime here is an article about the middle man.
http://www.nation.co.ke/counties/nairobi/The-dirt-behind-their-fast-lane-lif...
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
Nairobi Half life 101
Oliver
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
@Brian, you are right. But I believe handling stolen goods is a very serious crime. If as the buyer I dont verify the item belongs to the buyer and I am caught, I believe the next time I will not even look at any item twice if there is no proof of ownership.
Replicate this a few times and it will catch on.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Neither do I. If there was some form of registry even voluntary where you can register your phones IMEI so that a potential buyer can cross check identity of owner then that could work. Receipts are the easiest thing to forge.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
@Lawi
Do you still have the receipt for the fridge, cooker, tv, etc you bought 10 years ago? I don't.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
What about proof of ownership before selling, for starters?
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
+1
On 20 November 2013 14:50, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
What exactly is there to control in the online market place? I can also open a shop and sell second hand phones(stolen or otherwise)
OLX is not a culprit, closing the platform will not stop anything.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
I think this is something that we cannot easily control. So I say to you all - if you can afford that gadget, please also budget for it's insurance. Thieves will always be there, and they need money so they will always find ways to dispose of the stolen items, right? Think of the solution rather than concentrating on the problem.
On 20 November 2013 14:16, Tech List Kenya <techlistkenya@gmail.com>wrote:
Maybe it's time Kenya took steps to arrest the selling online situation before it gets out of hand:
a mistake becomes a mistake once you repeat it.
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It should not be hard to keep proof of ownership. Log books title deeds people archive them. In this age and time scan and dropbox can help. On Nov 20, 2013 6:35 PM, "Jimmy Thuo" <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:
A big chunk of the blame goes to the CID. They have failed in tracking of stolen phones. Unless you are the who is who in this country, chances of recovering your stolen phone are very slim.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 6:21 PM, mash lists <mashlists@gmail.com> wrote:
Since last yr, I've lost 3 phones amounting to over 150k. So far, I've only managed to keep track of one that is used by an mpesa guy who keeps on travelling all over the country, has over 10 registered simcards and more than 3 phones. Luckily, I've insured everything I own and this carters for my losses. Right now, I chatting with a guy who is selling a HTC ONE for 40k. My take is, never buy any electronic unless the original box is provided for you to compare the serial. I know a guy who sells S4's for less than 30k and they move like hot cake.
On Wednesday, 20 November 2013, Christine Mutheu Kisilu wrote:
Lets not even go far, away from the the online market you should take a walk down mfangano street for one... those shops doing "phone repairs" are only but a cover up. Yes they do repairs but that is where the black market is thriving. Those that steal are nothing but a means to an end and really make little money... Because they are just small time criminals looking for little cash to buy their ext drug of choice... most of the times they even have no clue of the worth of the stolen phone... the middle man is now the one that makes most.. he might end buying a phone are throw away price and puts it up for a very huge mark up... they also know whom to buy a phone from and whom not to trust... they do have a network of the pickpockets whom they trust... this is because they have to be careful least they get "simu moto" - phone stolen from criminal scene whereby the CID can track it. So they never just buy phones from anyone. they also sell such phones to people who will be leaving the country and let you know if the phone is hot or not so that you cannot switch it on in Kenya. They always have cash all the time coz these merchandise is unpredictable. such middle men are the rich ones and make the most. Unfortunately to us, we are the ignorant fools who buy such phones and in case of tracking the buyer is the one that pays the price. and well you are not able to pinpoint the person whom you bought it from and are therefore thrown into jail for the crime in case someone was killed for it. Well i have tried to get an article the nation media ran on the black market early this year, but i cant seem to trace it. It would have explained the market better. But it is huge and thriving, esp on the downtown streets, of river road, mfangano and the rest. In the meantime here is an article about the middle man.
http://www.nation.co.ke/counties/nairobi/The-dirt-behind-their-fast-lane-lif...
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
Nairobi Half life 101
Oliver
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
@Brian, you are right. But I believe handling stolen goods is a very serious crime. If as the buyer I dont verify the item belongs to the buyer and I am caught, I believe the next time I will not even look at any item twice if there is no proof of ownership.
Replicate this a few times and it will catch on.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Neither do I. If there was some form of registry even voluntary where you can register your phones IMEI so that a potential buyer can cross check identity of owner then that could work. Receipts are the easiest thing to forge.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
@Lawi
Do you still have the receipt for the fridge, cooker, tv, etc you bought 10 years ago? I don't.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com>wrote:
What about proof of ownership before selling, for starters?
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com
wrote:
+1
On 20 November 2013 14:50, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
What exactly is there to control in the online market place? I can also open a shop and sell second hand phones(stolen or otherwise)
OLX is not a culprit, closing the platform will not stop anything.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com
wrote:
I think this is something that we cannot easily control. So I say to you all - if you can afford that gadget, please also budget for it's insurance. Thieves will always be there, and they need money so they will always find ways to dispose of the stolen items, right? Think of the solution rather than concentrating on the problem.
On 20 November 2013 14:16, Tech List Kenya <techlistkenya@gmail.com>wrote:
Maybe it's time Kenya took steps to arrest the selling online situation before it gets out of hand:
a mistake becomes a mistake once you repeat it.
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@jimmy or if you have money to pay the CID. My cousin accepted to hold a phone as collateral as his friend raises money to pay what he owes him. Turns out the phone was stolen. My cousin had to cough up 20k to be released from remand as his was a robbery with violence case. He managed to present his friend to the police but he is less 20k and his friend still owes him and is in jail now. The owner of the stolen phone is hoping that her laptop too will be recovered. The money paid to the CID to secure release is their 'sweat' money. On Nov 20, 2013 6:35 PM, "Jimmy Thuo" <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:
A big chunk of the blame goes to the CID. They have failed in tracking of
stolen phones. Unless you are the who is who in this country, chances of recovering your stolen phone are very slim.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 6:21 PM, mash lists <mashlists@gmail.com> wrote:
Since last yr, I've lost 3 phones amounting to over 150k. So far, I've
only managed to keep track of one that is used by an mpesa guy who keeps on travelling all over the country, has over 10 registered simcards and more than 3 phones.
Luckily, I've insured everything I own and this carters for my losses. Right now, I chatting with a guy who is selling a HTC ONE for 40k. My take is, never buy any electronic unless the original box is provided for you to compare the serial. I know a guy who sells S4's for less than 30k and they move like hot cake.
On Wednesday, 20 November 2013, Christine Mutheu Kisilu wrote:
Lets not even go far, away from the the online market you should take a
walk down mfangano street for one... those shops doing "phone repairs" are only but a cover up. Yes they do repairs but that is where the black market is thriving. Those that steal are nothing but a means to an end and really make little money... Because they are just small time criminals looking for little cash to buy their ext drug of choice... most of the times they even have no clue of the worth of the stolen phone... the middle man is now the one that makes most.. he might end buying a phone are throw away price and puts it up for a very huge mark up... they also know whom to buy a phone from and whom not to trust... they do have a network of the pickpockets whom they trust... this is because they have to be careful least they get "simu moto" - phone stolen from criminal scene whereby the CID can track it. So they never just buy phones from anyone. they also sell such phones to people who will be leaving the country and let you know if the phone is hot or not so that you cannot switch it on in Kenya. They always have cash all the time coz these merchandise is unpredictable. such middle men are the rich ones and make the most. Unfortunately to us, we are the ignorant fools who buy such phones and in case of tracking the buyer is the one that pays the price. and well you are not able to pinpoint the person whom you bought it from and are therefore thrown into jail for the crime in case someone was killed for it. Well i have tried to get an article the nation media ran on the black market early this year, but i cant seem to trace it. It would have explained the market better. But it is huge and thriving, esp on the downtown streets, of river road, mfangano and the rest. In the meantime here is an article about the middle man.
http://www.nation.co.ke/counties/nairobi/The-dirt-behind-their-fast-lane-lif...
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>
wrote:
Nairobi Half life 101
Oliver
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com>
wrote:
@Brian, you are right. But I believe handling stolen goods is a very
serious crime. If as the buyer I dont verify the item belongs to the buyer and I am caught, I believe the next time I will not even look at any item twice if there is no proof of ownership.
Replicate this a few times and it will catch on.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Neither do I. If there was some form of registry even voluntary
where you can register your phones IMEI so that a potential buyer can cross check identity of owner then that could work. Receipts are the easiest thing to forge.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke>
wrote:
> > @Lawi > > Do you still have the receipt for the fridge, cooker, tv, etc you bought 10 years ago? I don't. > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> What about proof of ownership before selling, for starters? >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> +1 >>> >>> >>> On 20 November 2013 14:50, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> What exactly is there to control in the online market place? I can also open a shop and sell second hand phones(stolen or otherwise) >>>> >>>> OLX is not a culprit, closing the platform will not stop anything. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I think this is something that we cannot easily control. So I say to you all - if you can afford that gadget, please also budget for it's insurance. Thieves will always be there, and they need money so they will always find ways to dispose of the stolen items, right? Think of the solution rather than concentrating on the problem. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 20 November 2013 14:16, Tech List Kenya < techlistkenya@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe it's time Kenya took steps to arrest the selling online situation before it gets out of hand:
a mistake becomes a mistake once you repeat it.
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I thought I was the only one who has noticed the rise in electronics theft! Anyway, as someone who has been a victim twice in the last 4 months, these are the steps anyone should take; 1.0 Insure anything electronic that you purchase. Off the top of my head, Chartis and AON have this nice domestic package for about 6K per annum. That should cover about 500k worth of domestic property and your laptop/tab/phone. 2.0 Become a good Christian / Muslim / Buddhist / <Insert your religion here>. Why? You need to pray that the people who rob you don't injure you. Property is less important that health. 3.0 Report to the police. Let me explain. They will *NOT* help you recover your property but you need that police abstract for claim settlement with your insurance provider(assuming you took advice number 1?). 4.0 *Accept and move on!* You are a Kenyan, right? You have accepted and moved on from bigger things, why not this one? N.B : If a phone is among the things that were stolen from you, two entities can help you track it - Safaricom and the CID. I said 'can', not 'will'. Generally, the CID is more connerned with tracking bigger problems, losing a phone is not one of them! Accept and move on! Safaricom needs directives from the Police to track your phone. By the time they get it, your phone will have a new, happy user in a neighboring country! By now you know what i will say.....accept and ..? On 20 November 2013 15:46, Nicholas Mutinda <mutindah@gmail.com> wrote:
@jimmy or if you have money to pay the CID.
My cousin accepted to hold a phone as collateral as his friend raises money to pay what he owes him. Turns out the phone was stolen. My cousin had to cough up 20k to be released from remand as his was a robbery with violence case. He managed to present his friend to the police but he is less 20k and his friend still owes him and is in jail now. The owner of the stolen phone is hoping that her laptop too will be recovered. The money paid to the CID to secure release is their 'sweat' money.
On Nov 20, 2013 6:35 PM, "Jimmy Thuo" <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:
A big chunk of the blame goes to the CID. They have failed in tracking
of stolen phones. Unless you are the who is who in this country, chances of recovering your stolen phone are very slim.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 6:21 PM, mash lists <mashlists@gmail.com> wrote:
Since last yr, I've lost 3 phones amounting to over 150k. So far, I've
only managed to keep track of one that is used by an mpesa guy who keeps on travelling all over the country, has over 10 registered simcards and more than 3 phones.
Luckily, I've insured everything I own and this carters for my losses. Right now, I chatting with a guy who is selling a HTC ONE for 40k. My take is, never buy any electronic unless the original box is provided for you to compare the serial. I know a guy who sells S4's for less than 30k and they move like hot cake.
On Wednesday, 20 November 2013, Christine Mutheu Kisilu wrote:
Lets not even go far, away from the the online market you should take
a walk down mfangano street for one... those shops doing "phone repairs" are only but a cover up. Yes they do repairs but that is where the black market is thriving. Those that steal are nothing but a means to an end and really make little money... Because they are just small time criminals looking for little cash to buy their ext drug of choice... most of the times they even have no clue of the worth of the stolen phone... the middle man is now the one that makes most.. he might end buying a phone are throw away price and puts it up for a very huge mark up... they also know whom to buy a phone from and whom not to trust... they do have a network of the pickpockets whom they trust... this is because they have to be careful least they get "simu moto" - phone stolen from criminal scene whereby the CID can track it. So they never just buy phones from anyone. they also sell such phones to people who will be leaving the country and let you know if the phone is hot or not so that you cannot switch it on in Kenya. They always have cash all the time coz these merchandise is unpredictable. such middle men are the rich ones and make the most. Unfortunately to us, we are the ignorant fools who buy such phones and in case of tracking the buyer is the one that pays the price. and well you are not able to pinpoint the person whom you bought it from and are therefore thrown into jail for the crime in case someone was killed for it. Well i have tried to get an article the nation media ran on the black market early this year, but i cant seem to trace it. It would have explained the market better. But it is huge and thriving, esp on the downtown streets, of river road, mfangano and the rest. In the meantime here is an article about the middle man.
http://www.nation.co.ke/counties/nairobi/The-dirt-behind-their-fast-lane-lif...
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>
wrote:
Nairobi Half life 101
Oliver
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com>
wrote:
@Brian, you are right. But I believe handling stolen goods is a very
serious crime. If as the buyer I dont verify the item belongs to the buyer and I am caught, I believe the next time I will not even look at any item twice if there is no proof of ownership.
Replicate this a few times and it will catch on.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > Neither do I. If there was some form of registry even voluntary where you can register your phones IMEI so that a potential buyer can cross check identity of owner then that could work. Receipts are the easiest thing to forge. > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote: >> >> @Lawi >> >> Do you still have the receipt for the fridge, cooker, tv, etc you bought 10 years ago? I don't. >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> What about proof of ownership before selling, for starters? >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> +1 >>>> >>>> >>>> On 20 November 2013 14:50, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> What exactly is there to control in the online market place? I can also open a shop and sell second hand phones(stolen or otherwise) >>>>> >>>>> OLX is not a culprit, closing the platform will not stop anything. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I think this is something that we cannot easily control. So I say to you all - if you can afford that gadget, please also budget for it's insurance. Thieves will always be there, and they need money so they will always find ways to dispose of the stolen items, right? Think of the solution rather than concentrating on the problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 20 November 2013 14:16, Tech List Kenya < techlistkenya@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe it's time Kenya took steps to arrest the selling online situation before it gets out of hand:
a mistake becomes a mistake once you repeat it.
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True, true - without paying the 'tracking fee' CID wont do anything. Secondly, Safaricom will drag their feet on the issue to discourage you from tracking stolen things - this way, they protect their image from publicity and dont want people to get used to it.
Visit Quick loans on Electronics shops along Tomboya all the way to Riverroad. They dictate the price of the goods,the thief cares nothing about it,he hardly knows the price,he is in hurry to get it off his possesion.so why wont you get brand new ipad for 30k? STEAL IT ,BRING IT,GET CASH PAP!!! On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Tech List Kenya <techlistkenya@gmail.com>wrote:
How big is the market for stolen goods, especially electronics?
With the surge in jackings <http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Public-transport-crews-collude-with-carjackers-/-/1056/2076250/-/98o5i2/-/index.html>and burglaries where the thieves concentrate on electronics, it must mean there are ready buyers, presumably wholesale buyers.
For these 'wholesale buyers', they also have to have the confidence they can dispose their loot easily.
And that's where you and I come in by providing constant demand.
Is it that:
a) As a nation we pride ourselves in taking shortcuts? Have you realized that if you follow rules people will generally look down on you? That you are likely to be branded unsophisticated, not very smart, etc. On the other hand, guys who use dubious means to achieve stuff are regarded as intelligent, street-smart, etc. (This applies in so many other scenarios)
b) We want to have "that" life but the 'straight' method is just too expensive? i.e, I would love to own an S4 or an iPhone but I cant afford one. So when I get an offer for 30k, I am likely to take it.
c) We are genuinely oblivious of the vicious cycle we put ourselves in by creating demand for stolen stuff?
d) We've been hit before and figured that "if you cant beat them, join them"? If you buy an expensive phone and it's stolen from you, are you likely to shell the same cash again to buy a new one? Would you downgrade? Would you look for a similar but cheaper offer?
e) We genuinely unaware that the merchandise could be stolen? But then again, why would anyone sell an item for third of the price?
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alternatively, avoid expensive products..A kabambe will do the same stuff as Galaxies family. Only that the latter are designed for humans.... On 21 November 2013 17:15, xgetbusy keepalive <xgetbusy@gmail.com> wrote:
Visit Quick loans on Electronics shops along Tomboya all the way to Riverroad. They dictate the price of the goods,the thief cares nothing about it,he hardly knows the price,he is in hurry to get it off his possesion.so why wont you get brand new ipad for 30k?
STEAL IT ,BRING IT,GET CASH PAP!!!
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Tech List Kenya <techlistkenya@gmail.com
wrote:
How big is the market for stolen goods, especially electronics?
With the surge in jackings <http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Public-transport-crews-collude-with-carjackers-/-/1056/2076250/-/98o5i2/-/index.html>and burglaries where the thieves concentrate on electronics, it must mean there are ready buyers, presumably wholesale buyers.
For these 'wholesale buyers', they also have to have the confidence they can dispose their loot easily.
And that's where you and I come in by providing constant demand.
Is it that:
a) As a nation we pride ourselves in taking shortcuts? Have you realized that if you follow rules people will generally look down on you? That you are likely to be branded unsophisticated, not very smart, etc. On the other hand, guys who use dubious means to achieve stuff are regarded as intelligent, street-smart, etc. (This applies in so many other scenarios)
b) We want to have "that" life but the 'straight' method is just too expensive? i.e, I would love to own an S4 or an iPhone but I cant afford one. So when I get an offer for 30k, I am likely to take it.
c) We are genuinely oblivious of the vicious cycle we put ourselves in by creating demand for stolen stuff?
d) We've been hit before and figured that "if you cant beat them, join them"? If you buy an expensive phone and it's stolen from you, are you likely to shell the same cash again to buy a new one? Would you downgrade? Would you look for a similar but cheaper offer?
e) We genuinely unaware that the merchandise could be stolen? But then again, why would anyone sell an item for third of the price?
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