Not really, I had no problem with them. It was their lack of basic security that made me suspicious. How an app dealing with real world money did not have an audit to report lack of ssl was very worrying. I suspect there is no security or risk team anywhere in sight. Regards, John K. On 8 October 2015 at 15:59, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com> wrote:

John K, You always charged when it comes to this issue of Jambopay.. I wonder why, do you have another interest on this matter beyond techie/concerned cizitizen interest?

I'll just leave this here.

http://www.nation.co.ke/counties/nairobi/MPs-want-Kidero-probed-over-jambopa...

How did they win a tender when they were not associated with a financial institution? KCB denied any links with them. I don't know what can save this country.

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@Oliver I have no problem with the company itself, it's how the tender was awarded and system implemented. There are too many red flags. 1. They are the most expensive, at 4.5% per transaction, in addition to the 20m awarded. KRA, CraftSilicon would have charged 2.5% to implement the same. 2. KCB denies any partnership with them 3. Suspicious confidentiality clause, no one can ask what data is exchanged between ncc and jp. 4. Sloppy technical implementation / lack of security, and audit This this had happened with an Indian company (like the laptop saga) nobody would be defending them. The evidence would be speaking for itself. If none of these issues were there I would be promoting this system all over the place. You have no idea how I waited to pay for parking from home via m-pesa. Regards, John K. On 8 October 2015 at 16:28, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> wrote:

But still, the politicians concerns have nothing to do with SSL hehehe

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 4:11 PM, John K. via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

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Not really, I had no problem with them. It was their lack of basic security that made me suspicious. How an app dealing with real world money did not have an audit to report lack of ssl was very worrying. I suspect there is no security or risk team anywhere in sight.

Regards, John K.

On 8 October 2015 at 15:59, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com> wrote:

...

John K, You always charged when it comes to this issue of Jambopay.. I wonder why, do you have another interest on this matter beyond techie/concerned cizitizen interest?

I'll just leave this here.

http://www.nation.co.ke/counties/nairobi/MPs-want-Kidero-probed-over-jambopa...

How did they win a tender when they were not associated with a financial institution? KCB denied any links with them. I don't know what can save this country.

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This were the same sentiments that were used to discourage the growth of MPESA, it took leaders who were ready to dare to nurture the system. Regards On 10/8/15, John K. via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

Banks follow cbk regulations and these are there for a reason, if we just let anyone move money around, who knows who can use it launder money (terrorists, drug dealers etc). Not to mention the fact that we're dealing with taxpayer money, would you want you hard earned taxes going to an unknown entity that follows no rules?

Regards, John K.

On 8 October 2015 at 16:09, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Do i really need to have an association with a bank to develop an e payment system. Partnerships are formed on demand and they do not have to be formal, they are for convenience as long as the client is safe and happy. That to me sounds like a jealous character who can not believe how much successful the system has been besides its falls here and there. To me the kenyan company rightfully deserved to win the job, they are reputable, have a history in the same business. Everything else is all politics

Me 2 cents Oliver

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 2:49 PM, John K. via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

...

I'll just leave this here.

http://www.nation.co.ke/counties/nairobi/MPs-want-Kidero-probed-over-jambopa...

How did they win a tender when they were not associated with a financial institution? KCB denied any links with them. I don't know what can save this country.

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What does it mean to be associated with a bank? Does having an account with X bank qualify or not. I imagine only association one could have is to have an account number or probably own the bank or the bank own the company. Are we saying that Jambopay stores all these moneys under the bed? Or were they supposed to bid as a consortium with a bank? On Oct 9, 2015 9:43 AM, "Martin Chege via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

If you have a system meant to collect/handle money you have to be associated with a bank. And it is wrong to say that it is OK for a corrupt deal to go to a local company. We've many local companies that are doing business the right way. Corruption is corruption.

Regards

On 9 October 2015 at 09:07, Barrack Otieno via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

...

This were the same sentiments that were used to discourage the growth of MPESA, it took leaders who were ready to dare to nurture the system.

Regards

On 10/8/15, John K. via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

...

Banks follow cbk regulations and these are there for a reason, if we just let anyone move money around, who knows who can use it launder money (terrorists, drug dealers etc). Not to mention the fact that we're dealing with taxpayer money, would you want you hard earned taxes going to an unknown entity that follows no rules?

Regards, John K.

On 8 October 2015 at 16:09, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Do i really need to have an association with a bank to develop an e payment system. Partnerships are formed on demand and they do not have to be formal, they are for convenience as long as the client is safe and happy. That to me sounds like a jealous character who can not believe how much successful the system has been besides its falls here and there. To me the kenyan company rightfully deserved to win the job, they are reputable, have a history in the same business. Everything else is all politics

Me 2 cents Oliver

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 2:49 PM, John K. via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

...

I'll just leave this here.

http://www.nation.co.ke/counties/nairobi/MPs-want-Kidero-probed-over-jambopa...

...

How did they win a tender when they were not associated with a

financial

...

institution? KCB denied any links with them. I don't know what can save this country.

Regards, John K.

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+1 Barrack On Oct 9, 2015 10:08 AM, "Barrack Otieno via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

Assumption is the lowest form of knowledge , looking at the website

https://www.jambopay.com/Account/Login.aspx?ReturnUrl=%2fMembers%2fTransumma... , how did the organization partner with leading banking services and payment solution providers if they did not know what they were doing ?, let us allow those who are investigating to do their job while also considering available facts. This Project has been spearheaded by among others Deputy Governor Mueke who are re-known stalwarts in the ICT Industry and it would be cheap to belittle their intelligence when it comes to deployment of this kind of system in this day and age where everyone is under scrutiny we should consider all facts. I am happy to see local and youth led companies like Jambo Pay and Alliance Technologies among others run key government operations we have what it takes.

Regards

On 10/9/15, Martin Chege <mcnjoroge@gmail.com> wrote:

...

If you have a system meant to collect/handle money you have to be associated with a bank. And it is wrong to say that it is OK for a corrupt deal to go to a local company. We've many local companies that are doing business the right way. Corruption is corruption.

Regards

On 9 October 2015 at 09:07, Barrack Otieno via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

...

This were the same sentiments that were used to discourage the growth of MPESA, it took leaders who were ready to dare to nurture the system.

Regards

On 10/8/15, John K. via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

...

Banks follow cbk regulations and these are there for a reason, if we just let anyone move money around, who knows who can use it launder money (terrorists, drug dealers etc). Not to mention the fact that we're dealing with taxpayer money, would you want you hard earned taxes going to an unknown entity that follows no rules?

Regards, John K.

On 8 October 2015 at 16:09, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Do i really need to have an association with a bank to develop an e payment system. Partnerships are formed on demand and they do not have to be formal, they are for convenience as long as the client is safe and happy. That to me sounds like a jealous character who can not believe how much successful the system has been besides its falls here and there. To me the kenyan company rightfully deserved to win the job, they are reputable, have a history in the same business. Everything else is all politics

Me 2 cents Oliver

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 2:49 PM, John K. via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

...

I'll just leave this here.

http://www.nation.co.ke/counties/nairobi/MPs-want-Kidero-probed-over-jambopa...

...

...

...

...

How did they win a tender when they were not associated with a

financial

...

institution? KCB denied any links with them. I don't know what can save this country.

Regards, John K.

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+1 Barrack, Unfortunately we start whining even before verifying media/ politicians reports, I’m not sure how many of us have verified the percentages/767.4m mentioned or the contentious confidentiality clause (I haven’t myself either), all I would say it’s perfectly in order to pay higher for a quality service. If the awarding of the tender was not above board let the investigators inform us. All I know it takes years of hard work to brand yourself in an environment like ours. Antony On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 9:02 AM, Barrack Otieno via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

Assumption is the lowest form of knowledge , looking at the website

https://www.jambopay.com/Account/Login.aspx?ReturnUrl=%2fMembers%2fTransumma... , how did the organization partner with leading banking services and payment solution providers if they did not know what they were doing ?, let us allow those who are investigating to do their job while also considering available facts. This Project has been spearheaded by among others Deputy Governor Mueke who are re-known stalwarts in the ICT Industry and it would be cheap to belittle their intelligence when it comes to deployment of this kind of system in this day and age where everyone is under scrutiny we should consider all facts. I am happy to see local and youth led companies like Jambo Pay and Alliance Technologies among others run key government operations we have what it takes.

Regards

On 10/9/15, Martin Chege <mcnjoroge@gmail.com> wrote:

...

If you have a system meant to collect/handle money you have to be associated with a bank. And it is wrong to say that it is OK for a corrupt deal to go to a local company. We've many local companies that are doing business the right way. Corruption is corruption.

Regards

On 9 October 2015 at 09:07, Barrack Otieno via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

...

This were the same sentiments that were used to discourage the growth of MPESA, it took leaders who were ready to dare to nurture the system.

Regards

On 10/8/15, John K. via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

...

Banks follow cbk regulations and these are there for a reason, if we just let anyone move money around, who knows who can use it launder money (terrorists, drug dealers etc). Not to mention the fact that we're dealing with taxpayer money, would you want you hard earned taxes going to an unknown entity that follows no rules?

Regards, John K.

On 8 October 2015 at 16:09, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Do i really need to have an association with a bank to develop an e payment system. Partnerships are formed on demand and they do not have to be formal, they are for convenience as long as the client is safe and happy. That to me sounds like a jealous character who can not believe how much successful the system has been besides its falls here and there. To me the kenyan company rightfully deserved to win the job, they are reputable, have a history in the same business. Everything else is all politics

Me 2 cents Oliver

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 2:49 PM, John K. via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

...

I'll just leave this here.

http://www.nation.co.ke/counties/nairobi/MPs-want-Kidero-probed-over-jambopa...

...

...

...

...

How did they win a tender when they were not associated with a

financial

...

institution? KCB denied any links with them. I don't know what can save this country.

Regards, John K.

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Exactly Liko. I don't know if people know how much we loose as an economy when we allow capital flight. China are so keen to protect their tuff that they better devalue their currency for their products to be affordable to the rest of the world. And when you buy from them, what it means from all sense of the word is, "you work from January to December as a Chinese slave". Because all your earnings and sweat will end up in China in exchange of all types of toys and services. It's time we supported our industries. A by the way, what sustained Cuba all along during the 60year embargo was to ban all non essential imports of goods or services. The Cubans had to look within themselves for any solution they needed. I hope the laptop project is given to locals, let us learn from our mistakes , let us foster our industries. On Oct 9, 2015 12:57 PM, "Agosta Liko via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

I use JamboPay. As techies, we should be rooting for them and the times when we feel SSL will end the world, I am sure its not hard to get a meeting.

We cannot want to grow as an ecosystem/techies but then look for any opportunity to pull them down.

Confidentiality is part of most contracts, Pricing - They offer a good solution - everyone here knows price is not the only consideration when choosing IT vendors

Govt needs to change procurement laws - Buying Timber is not the same as buying systems

Bottom Line - JamboPay works, Danson has done a brilliant job ... we should be screaming saying "He is one of us"

and not in the tribal sense

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 12:24 PM, ANTONY NDUNG'U via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

...

+1 Barrack,

Unfortunately we start whining even before verifying media/ politicians reports, I’m not sure how many of us have verified the percentages/767.4m mentioned or the contentious confidentiality clause (I haven’t myself either), all I would say it’s perfectly in order to pay higher for a quality service. If the awarding of the tender was not above board let the investigators inform us. All I know it takes years of hard work to brand yourself in an environment like ours.

Antony

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 9:02 AM, Barrack Otieno via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

...

Assumption is the lowest form of knowledge , looking at the website

https://www.jambopay.com/Account/Login.aspx?ReturnUrl=%2fMembers%2fTransumma... , how did the organization partner with leading banking services and payment solution providers if they did not know what they were doing ?, let us allow those who are investigating to do their job while also considering available facts. This Project has been spearheaded by among others Deputy Governor Mueke who are re-known stalwarts in the ICT Industry and it would be cheap to belittle their intelligence when it comes to deployment of this kind of system in this day and age where everyone is under scrutiny we should consider all facts. I am happy to see local and youth led companies like Jambo Pay and Alliance Technologies among others run key government operations we have what it takes.

Regards

On 10/9/15, Martin Chege <mcnjoroge@gmail.com> wrote:

...

If you have a system meant to collect/handle money you have to be associated with a bank. And it is wrong to say that it is OK for a corrupt deal to go to a local company. We've many local companies that are doing business the right way. Corruption is corruption.

Regards

On 9 October 2015 at 09:07, Barrack Otieno via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

...

This were the same sentiments that were used to discourage the growth of MPESA, it took leaders who were ready to dare to nurture the system.

Regards

On 10/8/15, John K. via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

...

Banks follow cbk regulations and these are there for a reason, if we just let anyone move money around, who knows who can use it launder money (terrorists, drug dealers etc). Not to mention the fact that we're dealing with taxpayer money, would you want you hard earned taxes going to an unknown entity that follows no rules?

Regards, John K.

On 8 October 2015 at 16:09, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> wrote:

> Do i really need to have an association with a bank to develop an e > payment system. Partnerships are formed on demand and they do not have to > be formal, they are for convenience as long as the client is safe and > happy. That to me sounds like a jealous character who can not believe how > much successful the system has been besides its falls here and there. > To > me > the kenyan company rightfully deserved to win the job, they are > reputable, > have a history in the same business. Everything else is all politics > > Me 2 cents > Oliver > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 2:49 PM, John K. via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> >> I'll just leave this here. >> >> >>

http://www.nation.co.ke/counties/nairobi/MPs-want-Kidero-probed-over-jambopa...

...

...

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so corruption is OK because it is a local company involved? There are many local companies that do legit business. Why aren't they given the deal? Regards On 9 October 2015 at 14:05, Peter Karunyu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

Guys, I think you are twisting this into a "patriotism" sort of discussion, which it is not.

From my techie perspective, the questions are simple and ideally should have simple answers:

1. The terms of the tender were that the applicant be affiliated with a bank. They said they are affiliated with KCB. KCB denied this. Why? Note, the question here is not what affiliation means, or why it is necessary in this contract. The question is the assertion they made, which KCB denied.

2. The sub-optimal security implementation of their app. Now, if they are as good as you guys claim, don't you suppose this would have been common sense? As an example, any sys-admin worth his/her salt here knows which openssl library *NOT* to use, it is simple common sense. Let me pose this then; when the system gets hacked, who will be blamed?

3. The confidentiality clause covers the discussions before and during the contract. So does this mean that spending of public money is not open to public scrutiny? The only other government bodies I know that do this are DOD and NSIS. In essence, are we saying that any government body can enter into a contract with a private entity and seal all details under a confidentiality clause?

Them being the most expensive is okay, so long as they deliver value for money. But how can we deduce value for money if all the details are shrouded in confidentiality clauses?

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

...

Exactly Liko. I don't know if people know how much we loose as an economy when we allow capital flight. China are so keen to protect their tuff that they better devalue their currency for their products to be affordable to the rest of the world. And when you buy from them, what it means from all sense of the word is, "you work from January to December as a Chinese slave". Because all your earnings and sweat will end up in China in exchange of all types of toys and services. It's time we supported our industries.

A by the way, what sustained Cuba all along during the 60year embargo was to ban all non essential imports of goods or services. The Cubans had to look within themselves for any solution they needed.

I hope the laptop project is given to locals, let us learn from our mistakes , let us foster our industries. On Oct 9, 2015 12:57 PM, "Agosta Liko via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

...

I use JamboPay. As techies, we should be rooting for them and the times when we feel SSL will end the world, I am sure its not hard to get a meeting.

We cannot want to grow as an ecosystem/techies but then look for any opportunity to pull them down.

Confidentiality is part of most contracts, Pricing - They offer a good solution - everyone here knows price is not the only consideration when choosing IT vendors

Govt needs to change procurement laws - Buying Timber is not the same as buying systems

Bottom Line - JamboPay works, Danson has done a brilliant job ... we should be screaming saying "He is one of us"

and not in the tribal sense

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 12:24 PM, ANTONY NDUNG'U via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

...

+1 Barrack,

Unfortunately we start whining even before verifying media/ politicians reports, I’m not sure how many of us have verified the percentages/767.4m mentioned or the contentious confidentiality clause (I haven’t myself either), all I would say it’s perfectly in order to pay higher for a quality service. If the awarding of the tender was not above board let the investigators inform us. All I know it takes years of hard work to brand yourself in an environment like ours.

Antony

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 9:02 AM, Barrack Otieno via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

...

Assumption is the lowest form of knowledge , looking at the website

https://www.jambopay.com/Account/Login.aspx?ReturnUrl=%2fMembers%2fTransumma... , how did the organization partner with leading banking services and payment solution providers if they did not know what they were doing ?, let us allow those who are investigating to do their job while also considering available facts. This Project has been spearheaded by among others Deputy Governor Mueke who are re-known stalwarts in the ICT Industry and it would be cheap to belittle their intelligence when it comes to deployment of this kind of system in this day and age where everyone is under scrutiny we should consider all facts. I am happy to see local and youth led companies like Jambo Pay and Alliance Technologies among others run key government operations we have what it takes.

Regards

On 10/9/15, Martin Chege <mcnjoroge@gmail.com> wrote:

...

If you have a system meant to collect/handle money you have to be associated with a bank. And it is wrong to say that it is OK for a corrupt deal to go to a local company. We've many local companies that are doing business the right way. Corruption is corruption.

Regards

On 9 October 2015 at 09:07, Barrack Otieno via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

> This were the same sentiments that were used to discourage the growth > of MPESA, it took leaders who were ready to dare to nurture the > system. > > Regards > > On 10/8/15, John K. via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > > Banks follow cbk regulations and these are there for a reason, if we > > just > > let anyone move money around, who knows who can use it launder money > > (terrorists, drug dealers etc). Not to mention the fact that we're > dealing > > with taxpayer money, would you want you hard earned taxes going to an > > unknown entity that follows no rules? > > > > Regards, > > John K. > > > > On 8 October 2015 at 16:09, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> Do i really need to have an association with a bank to develop an e > >> payment system. Partnerships are formed on demand and they do not have > to > >> be formal, they are for convenience as long as the client is safe and > >> happy. That to me sounds like a jealous character who can not believe > how > >> much successful the system has been besides its falls here and there. > >> To > >> me > >> the kenyan company rightfully deserved to win the job, they are > >> reputable, > >> have a history in the same business. Everything else is all politics > >> > >> Me 2 cents > >> Oliver > >> > >> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 2:49 PM, John K. via skunkworks < > >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> I'll just leave this here. > >>> > >>> > >>> > http://www.nation.co.ke/counties/nairobi/MPs-want-Kidero-probed-over-jambopa... > >>> > >>> > >>> How did they win a tender when they were not associated with a > financial > >>> institution? KCB denied any links with them. I don't know what can > >>> save > >>> this country. > >>> > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> John K. > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> skunkworks mailing list > >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > >>> ------------ > >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > >>> ------------ > >>> > >>> Skunkworks Rules > >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > >>> ------------ > >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Warm Regards, > >> Oliver Ndegwa > >> > >> > >> *TRIPLE PLAY COMMUNICATION*P.O.Box 5207-00506, Nairobi | Phone : 254 > >> 02688421 | Cell: +254 713777001, 717883937 > >> Dev Towers, Tubman Rd ,Nairobi, Kenya. | website: | > >> www.tripleplaylive.net | skype:oliver.snom | Google talk:olie.ndegwa > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > -- > Barrack O. Otieno > +254721325277 > +254-20-2498789 > Skype: barrack.otieno > http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/ > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >

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@John, Yes, there's definitely a similar requirement is in place. Jampopay as an e-payment solution /prepaid e-wallet must ride behind a collection bank for real time settlement . My guess probably is coop bank having major Nairobi county accounts. On Oct 9, 2015 5:49 PM, "John K. via skunkworks" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

@Peter has it right, let's not veer into patriotism, there are many local firms that can do a similar system. The issue here is there are too many red flags for a firm that is dealing with real world money. If something similar had happened with Safaricom, CraftSilicon, Technobrain etc or any one of the large firms, the outcry would have been ridiculous.

A tender awarded with questions un-answered, strange confidentiality clauses, low technical competence, if this was a company selling wheel barrows, fine, but dealing with our hard earned cash?

Does anyone know where the cash that is in the "e-wallet" is held? We know Mpesa's is held by a trust as a requirement by Cbk. Such that if Safcom were to ever go down, we'd at least get our cash back, is there a similar requirement in place, or are we on our own?

Regards, John K.

On 9 October 2015 at 14:42, Martin Chege via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

...

so corruption is OK because it is a local company involved? There are many local companies that do legit business. Why aren't they given the deal?

Regards

On 9 October 2015 at 14:05, Peter Karunyu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

...

Guys, I think you are twisting this into a "patriotism" sort of discussion, which it is not.

From my techie perspective, the questions are simple and ideally should have simple answers:

1. The terms of the tender were that the applicant be affiliated with a bank. They said they are affiliated with KCB. KCB denied this. Why? Note, the question here is not what affiliation means, or why it is necessary in this contract. The question is the assertion they made, which KCB denied.

2. The sub-optimal security implementation of their app. Now, if they are as good as you guys claim, don't you suppose this would have been common sense? As an example, any sys-admin worth his/her salt here knows which openssl library *NOT* to use, it is simple common sense. Let me pose this then; when the system gets hacked, who will be blamed?

3. The confidentiality clause covers the discussions before and during the contract. So does this mean that spending of public money is not open to public scrutiny? The only other government bodies I know that do this are DOD and NSIS. In essence, are we saying that any government body can enter into a contract with a private entity and seal all details under a confidentiality clause?

Them being the most expensive is okay, so long as they deliver value for money. But how can we deduce value for money if all the details are shrouded in confidentiality clauses?

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

...

Exactly Liko. I don't know if people know how much we loose as an economy when we allow capital flight. China are so keen to protect their tuff that they better devalue their currency for their products to be affordable to the rest of the world. And when you buy from them, what it means from all sense of the word is, "you work from January to December as a Chinese slave". Because all your earnings and sweat will end up in China in exchange of all types of toys and services. It's time we supported our industries.

A by the way, what sustained Cuba all along during the 60year embargo was to ban all non essential imports of goods or services. The Cubans had to look within themselves for any solution they needed.

I hope the laptop project is given to locals, let us learn from our mistakes , let us foster our industries. On Oct 9, 2015 12:57 PM, "Agosta Liko via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

...

I use JamboPay. As techies, we should be rooting for them and the times when we feel SSL will end the world, I am sure its not hard to get a meeting.

We cannot want to grow as an ecosystem/techies but then look for any opportunity to pull them down.

Confidentiality is part of most contracts, Pricing - They offer a good solution - everyone here knows price is not the only consideration when choosing IT vendors

Govt needs to change procurement laws - Buying Timber is not the same as buying systems

Bottom Line - JamboPay works, Danson has done a brilliant job ... we should be screaming saying "He is one of us"

and not in the tribal sense

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 12:24 PM, ANTONY NDUNG'U via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

...

+1 Barrack,

Unfortunately we start whining even before verifying media/ politicians reports, I’m not sure how many of us have verified the percentages/767.4m mentioned or the contentious confidentiality clause (I haven’t myself either), all I would say it’s perfectly in order to pay higher for a quality service. If the awarding of the tender was not above board let the investigators inform us. All I know it takes years of hard work to brand yourself in an environment like ours.

Antony

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 9:02 AM, Barrack Otieno via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

> Assumption is the lowest form of knowledge , looking at the website > > https://www.jambopay.com/Account/Login.aspx?ReturnUrl=%2fMembers%2fTransumma... > , > how did the organization partner with leading banking services and > payment solution providers if they did not know what they were doing > ?, let us allow those who are investigating to do their job while > also > considering available facts. This Project has been spearheaded by > among others Deputy Governor Mueke who are re-known stalwarts in the > ICT Industry and it would be cheap to belittle their intelligence > when > it comes to deployment of this kind of system in this day and age > where everyone is under scrutiny we should consider all facts. I am > happy to see local and youth led companies like Jambo Pay and > Alliance > Technologies among others run key government operations we have what > it takes. > > Regards > > On 10/9/15, Martin Chege <mcnjoroge@gmail.com> wrote: > > If you have a system meant to collect/handle money you have to be > > associated with a bank. And it is wrong to say that it is OK for a > corrupt > > deal to go to a local company. We've many local companies that are > doing > > business the right way. Corruption is corruption. > > > > Regards > > > > On 9 October 2015 at 09:07, Barrack Otieno via skunkworks < > > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > > > >> This were the same sentiments that were used to discourage the > growth > >> of MPESA, it took leaders who were ready to dare to nurture the > >> system. > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> On 10/8/15, John K. via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> > wrote: > >> > Banks follow cbk regulations and these are there for a reason, > if we > >> > just > >> > let anyone move money around, who knows who can use it launder > money > >> > (terrorists, drug dealers etc). Not to mention the fact that > we're > >> dealing > >> > with taxpayer money, would you want you hard earned taxes going > to an > >> > unknown entity that follows no rules? > >> > > >> > Regards, > >> > John K. > >> > > >> > On 8 October 2015 at 16:09, Oliver Ndegwa < > olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> Do i really need to have an association with a bank to develop > an e > >> >> payment system. Partnerships are formed on demand and they do > not have > >> to > >> >> be formal, they are for convenience as long as the client is > safe and > >> >> happy. That to me sounds like a jealous character who can not > believe > >> how > >> >> much successful the system has been besides its falls here and > there. > >> >> To > >> >> me > >> >> the kenyan company rightfully deserved to win the job, they are > >> >> reputable, > >> >> have a history in the same business. Everything else is all > politics > >> >> > >> >> Me 2 cents > >> >> Oliver > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 2:49 PM, John K. via skunkworks < > >> >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> > >> >>> I'll just leave this here. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> > http://www.nation.co.ke/counties/nairobi/MPs-want-Kidero-probed-over-jambopa... > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> How did they win a tender when they were not associated with a > >> financial > >> >>> institution? KCB denied any links with them. I don't know > what can > >> >>> save > >> >>> this country. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> Regards, > >> >>> John K. > >> >>> > >> >>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>> skunkworks mailing list > >> >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > >> >>> ------------ > >> >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > >> >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > >> >>> ------------ > >> >>> > >> >>> Skunkworks Rules > >> >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > >> >>> ------------ > >> >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Warm Regards, > >> >> Oliver Ndegwa > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> *TRIPLE PLAY COMMUNICATION*P.O.Box 5207-00506, Nairobi | > Phone : 254 > >> >> 02688421 | Cell: +254 713777001, 717883937 > >> >> Dev Towers, Tubman Rd ,Nairobi, Kenya. | website: | > >> >> www.tripleplaylive.net | skype:oliver.snom | Google > talk:olie.ndegwa > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Barrack O. 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Interesting conversation. If questioning the bare fundamentals of how the business runs is not patriotic, I am definitely not. I think John is indeed right in stirring the conversation here. Why is the arrangement shrouded in secrecy? Someone in the thread said their guess of the bank is coop. Why do we need to guess if it is our money? On a similar note, I was quite surprised to pay more to renew my DL online than going physically to KRA. Should I not question this just because it is a Kenyan company who implemented this? I'm not surprised at the quip that one day you may be the beneficiary of these tenders. You mean it is our time to eat? On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Antony Ndung'u via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

Its not really about patriotism, the one thing that senior members in this group will agree is that its one thing to say that many guys can do the same thing as Jambopay did but it takes a long time to establish a niche and come up with something serious that can solve some problem in the society. I'm not privy to the scope of the E-system and if its expected to integrate with card services etc but from my little knowledge in financial systems development for instance, it would take up to 2 years or more just to understand the basics like what is an Acquiring bank, terminal owner, Service provider, Issuing bank, Issuing platform, switch operator and the requirements of each role player etc, fees structures and distributions(if you think its time for Danson to sit on his throne somewhere and eat the entire 4.5% fees every time you park your car you're definitely wrong - I don't know him just saw an earlier email). Its only by having the right attitude and support for our peers that we will build our own Silicon Savannah that can satisfy the big software demand in the region and stop importation of software from India and South Africa. As Agosta said "He's one of us!!"

Regards, Antony

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 5:52 PM, Kevin Ng'eno via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

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@John,

Yes, there's definitely a similar requirement is in place. Jampopay as an e-payment solution /prepaid e-wallet must ride behind a collection bank for real time settlement . My guess probably is coop bank having major Nairobi county accounts. On Oct 9, 2015 5:49 PM, "John K. via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

...

@Peter has it right, let's not veer into patriotism, there are many local firms that can do a similar system. The issue here is there are too many red flags for a firm that is dealing with real world money. If something similar had happened with Safaricom, CraftSilicon, Technobrain etc or any one of the large firms, the outcry would have been ridiculous.

A tender awarded with questions un-answered, strange confidentiality clauses, low technical competence, if this was a company selling wheel barrows, fine, but dealing with our hard earned cash?

Does anyone know where the cash that is in the "e-wallet" is held? We know Mpesa's is held by a trust as a requirement by Cbk. Such that if Safcom were to ever go down, we'd at least get our cash back, is there a similar requirement in place, or are we on our own?

Regards, John K.

On 9 October 2015 at 14:42, Martin Chege via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

...

so corruption is OK because it is a local company involved? There are many local companies that do legit business. Why aren't they given the deal?

Regards

On 9 October 2015 at 14:05, Peter Karunyu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

...

Guys, I think you are twisting this into a "patriotism" sort of discussion, which it is not.

From my techie perspective, the questions are simple and ideally should have simple answers:

1. The terms of the tender were that the applicant be affiliated with a bank. They said they are affiliated with KCB. KCB denied this. Why? Note, the question here is not what affiliation means, or why it is necessary in this contract. The question is the assertion they made, which KCB denied.

2. The sub-optimal security implementation of their app. Now, if they are as good as you guys claim, don't you suppose this would have been common sense? As an example, any sys-admin worth his/her salt here knows which openssl library *NOT* to use, it is simple common sense. Let me pose this then; when the system gets hacked, who will be blamed?

3. The confidentiality clause covers the discussions before and during the contract. So does this mean that spending of public money is not open to public scrutiny? The only other government bodies I know that do this are DOD and NSIS. In essence, are we saying that any government body can enter into a contract with a private entity and seal all details under a confidentiality clause?

Them being the most expensive is okay, so long as they deliver value for money. But how can we deduce value for money if all the details are shrouded in confidentiality clauses?

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

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Exactly Liko. I don't know if people know how much we loose as an economy when we allow capital flight. China are so keen to protect their tuff that they better devalue their currency for their products to be affordable to the rest of the world. And when you buy from them, what it means from all sense of the word is, "you work from January to December as a Chinese slave". Because all your earnings and sweat will end up in China in exchange of all types of toys and services. It's time we supported our industries.

A by the way, what sustained Cuba all along during the 60year embargo was to ban all non essential imports of goods or services. The Cubans had to look within themselves for any solution they needed.

I hope the laptop project is given to locals, let us learn from our mistakes , let us foster our industries. On Oct 9, 2015 12:57 PM, "Agosta Liko via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

> > I use JamboPay. As techies, we should be rooting for them and the > times when we feel SSL will end the world, I am sure its not hard to get a > meeting. > > We cannot want to grow as an ecosystem/techies but then look for any > opportunity to pull them down. > > Confidentiality is part of most contracts, Pricing - They offer a > good solution - everyone here knows price is not the only consideration > when choosing IT vendors > > Govt needs to change procurement laws - Buying Timber is not the > same as buying systems > > Bottom Line - JamboPay works, Danson has done a brilliant job ... we > should be screaming saying "He is one of us" > > and not in the tribal sense > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 12:24 PM, ANTONY NDUNG'U via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> +1 Barrack, >> >> Unfortunately we start whining even before verifying media/ >> politicians reports, I’m not sure how many of us have verified the >> percentages/767.4m mentioned or the contentious confidentiality clause (I >> haven’t myself either), all I would say it’s perfectly in order to pay >> higher for a quality service. If the awarding of the tender was not above >> board let the investigators inform us. All I know it takes years of hard >> work to brand yourself in an environment like ours. >> >> >> Antony >> >> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 9:02 AM, Barrack Otieno via skunkworks < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> Assumption is the lowest form of knowledge , looking at the website >>> >>> https://www.jambopay.com/Account/Login.aspx?ReturnUrl=%2fMembers%2fTransumma... >>> , >>> how did the organization partner with leading banking services and >>> payment solution providers if they did not know what they were >>> doing >>> ?, let us allow those who are investigating to do their job while >>> also >>> considering available facts. This Project has been spearheaded by >>> among others Deputy Governor Mueke who are re-known stalwarts in >>> the >>> ICT Industry and it would be cheap to belittle their intelligence >>> when >>> it comes to deployment of this kind of system in this day and age >>> where everyone is under scrutiny we should consider all facts. I am >>> happy to see local and youth led companies like Jambo Pay and >>> Alliance >>> Technologies among others run key government operations we have >>> what >>> it takes. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> On 10/9/15, Martin Chege <mcnjoroge@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > If you have a system meant to collect/handle money you have to be >>> > associated with a bank. And it is wrong to say that it is OK for >>> a corrupt >>> > deal to go to a local company. We've many local companies that >>> are doing >>> > business the right way. Corruption is corruption. >>> > >>> > Regards >>> > >>> > On 9 October 2015 at 09:07, Barrack Otieno via skunkworks < >>> > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>> > >>> >> This were the same sentiments that were used to discourage the >>> growth >>> >> of MPESA, it took leaders who were ready to dare to nurture the >>> >> system. >>> >> >>> >> Regards >>> >> >>> >> On 10/8/15, John K. via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> >>> wrote: >>> >> > Banks follow cbk regulations and these are there for a >>> reason, if we >>> >> > just >>> >> > let anyone move money around, who knows who can use it >>> launder money >>> >> > (terrorists, drug dealers etc). 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Better Still, Tendering is a process complete with an appeals mechanism. Maybe the issue is beyond the list as it appears, any aggrieved party can pursue the appeals mechanism that is in place. That is your right. On 10/12/15, John K. via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

@Omingo +1

As citizens we should not let thing slide without asking what's going on. If you want to deal with a company for your own private needs by all means do so, we will not bother you. But when it comes to our money (as citizens, residents of Nairobi etc), we should not let things slide just because "he is one of us". He/They must be held to the highest standards available, no exemptions.

Regards, John K.

On 11 October 2015 at 22:07, Omingo Obiko via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

...

Interesting conversation.

If questioning the bare fundamentals of how the business runs is not patriotic, I am definitely not. I think John is indeed right in stirring the conversation here. Why is the arrangement shrouded in secrecy? Someone in the thread said their guess of the bank is coop. Why do we need to guess if it is our money?

On a similar note, I was quite surprised to pay more to renew my DL online than going physically to KRA. Should I not question this just because it is a Kenyan company who implemented this?

I'm not surprised at the quip that one day you may be the beneficiary of these tenders. You mean it is our time to eat?

On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Antony Ndung'u via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

...

Its not really about patriotism, the one thing that senior members in this group will agree is that its one thing to say that many guys can do the same thing as Jambopay did but it takes a long time to establish a niche and come up with something serious that can solve some problem in the society. I'm not privy to the scope of the E-system and if its expected to integrate with card services etc but from my little knowledge in financial systems development for instance, it would take up to 2 years or more just to understand the basics like what is an Acquiring bank, terminal owner, Service provider, Issuing bank, Issuing platform, switch operator and the requirements of each role player etc, fees structures and distributions(if you think its time for Danson to sit on his throne somewhere and eat the entire 4.5% fees every time you park your car you're definitely wrong - I don't know him just saw an earlier email). Its only by having the right attitude and support for our peers that we will build our own Silicon Savannah that can satisfy the big software demand in the region and stop importation of software from India and South Africa. As Agosta said "He's one of us!!"

Regards, Antony

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 5:52 PM, Kevin Ng'eno via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

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@John,

Yes, there's definitely a similar requirement is in place. Jampopay as an e-payment solution /prepaid e-wallet must ride behind a collection bank for real time settlement . My guess probably is coop bank having major Nairobi county accounts. On Oct 9, 2015 5:49 PM, "John K. via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

...

@Peter has it right, let's not veer into patriotism, there are many local firms that can do a similar system. The issue here is there are too many red flags for a firm that is dealing with real world money. If something similar had happened with Safaricom, CraftSilicon, Technobrain etc or any one of the large firms, the outcry would have been ridiculous.

A tender awarded with questions un-answered, strange confidentiality clauses, low technical competence, if this was a company selling wheel barrows, fine, but dealing with our hard earned cash?

Does anyone know where the cash that is in the "e-wallet" is held? We know Mpesa's is held by a trust as a requirement by Cbk. Such that if Safcom were to ever go down, we'd at least get our cash back, is there a similar requirement in place, or are we on our own?

Regards, John K.

On 9 October 2015 at 14:42, Martin Chege via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

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so corruption is OK because it is a local company involved? There are many local companies that do legit business. Why aren't they given the deal?

Regards

On 9 October 2015 at 14:05, Peter Karunyu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:

> Guys, I think you are twisting this into a "patriotism" sort of > discussion, which it is not. > > From my techie perspective, the questions are simple and ideally > should have simple answers: > > 1. The terms of the tender were that the applicant be affiliated > with > a bank. They said they are affiliated with KCB. KCB denied this. > Why? > Note, the question here is not what affiliation means, or why it is > necessary in this contract. The question is the assertion they made, > which > KCB denied. > > 2. The sub-optimal security implementation of their app. Now, if > they > are as good as you guys claim, don't you suppose this would have > been > common sense? > As an example, any sys-admin worth his/her salt here knows which > openssl library *NOT* to use, it is simple common sense. > Let me pose this then; when the system gets hacked, who will be > blamed? > > 3. The confidentiality clause covers the discussions before and > during the contract. So does this mean that spending of public money > is not > open to public scrutiny? > The only other government bodies I know that do this are DOD and > NSIS. In essence, are we saying that any government body can enter > into a > contract with a private entity and seal all details under a > confidentiality > clause? > > Them being the most expensive is okay, so long as they deliver value > for money. But how can we deduce value for money if all the details > are > shrouded in confidentiality clauses? > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> Exactly Liko. I don't know if people know how much we loose as an >> economy when we allow capital flight. China are so keen to protect >> their >> tuff that they better devalue their currency for their products to >> be >> affordable to the rest of the world. And when you buy from them, >> what it >> means from all sense of the word is, "you work from January to >> December as >> a Chinese slave". Because all your earnings and sweat will end up in >> China >> in exchange of all types of toys and services. It's time we >> supported our >> industries. >> >> A by the way, what sustained Cuba all along during the 60year >> embargo was to ban all non essential imports of goods or services. >> The >> Cubans had to look within themselves for any solution they needed. >> >> I hope the laptop project is given to locals, let us learn from our >> mistakes , let us foster our industries. >> On Oct 9, 2015 12:57 PM, "Agosta Liko via skunkworks" < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> >>> I use JamboPay. As techies, we should be rooting for them and the >>> times when we feel SSL will end the world, I am sure its not hard >>> to get a >>> meeting. >>> >>> We cannot want to grow as an ecosystem/techies but then look for >>> any opportunity to pull them down. >>> >>> Confidentiality is part of most contracts, Pricing - They offer a >>> good solution - everyone here knows price is not the only >>> consideration >>> when choosing IT vendors >>> >>> Govt needs to change procurement laws - Buying Timber is not the >>> same as buying systems >>> >>> Bottom Line - JamboPay works, Danson has done a brilliant job ... >>> we should be screaming saying "He is one of us" >>> >>> and not in the tribal sense >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 12:24 PM, ANTONY NDUNG'U via skunkworks < >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> +1 Barrack, >>>> >>>> Unfortunately we start whining even before verifying media/ >>>> politicians reports, I’m not sure how many of us have verified >>>> the >>>> percentages/767.4m mentioned or the contentious confidentiality >>>> clause (I >>>> haven’t myself either), all I would say it’s perfectly in order to >>>> pay >>>> higher for a quality service. If the awarding of the tender was >>>> not above >>>> board let the investigators inform us. All I know it takes years >>>> of hard >>>> work to brand yourself in an environment like ours. >>>> >>>> >>>> Antony >>>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 9:02 AM, Barrack Otieno via skunkworks < >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Assumption is the lowest form of knowledge , looking at the >>>>> website >>>>> >>>>> https://www.jambopay.com/Account/Login.aspx?ReturnUrl=%2fMembers%2fTransumma... >>>>> , >>>>> how did the organization partner with leading banking services >>>>> and >>>>> payment solution providers if they did not know what they were >>>>> doing >>>>> ?, let us allow those who are investigating to do their job >>>>> while >>>>> also >>>>> considering available facts. This Project has been spearheaded >>>>> by >>>>> among others Deputy Governor Mueke who are re-known stalwarts in >>>>> the >>>>> ICT Industry and it would be cheap to belittle their >>>>> intelligence >>>>> when >>>>> it comes to deployment of this kind of system in this day and >>>>> age >>>>> where everyone is under scrutiny we should consider all facts. I >>>>> am >>>>> happy to see local and youth led companies like Jambo Pay and >>>>> Alliance >>>>> Technologies among others run key government operations we have >>>>> what >>>>> it takes. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> On 10/9/15, Martin Chege <mcnjoroge@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > If you have a system meant to collect/handle money you have to >>>>> be >>>>> > associated with a bank. And it is wrong to say that it is OK >>>>> for a corrupt >>>>> > deal to go to a local company. We've many local companies that >>>>> are doing >>>>> > business the right way. Corruption is corruption. >>>>> > >>>>> > Regards >>>>> > >>>>> > On 9 October 2015 at 09:07, Barrack Otieno via skunkworks < >>>>> > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> This were the same sentiments that were used to discourage >>>>> >> the >>>>> growth >>>>> >> of MPESA, it took leaders who were ready to dare to nurture >>>>> >> the >>>>> >> system. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Regards >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On 10/8/15, John K. via skunkworks >>>>> >> <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >> > Banks follow cbk regulations and these are there for a >>>>> reason, if we >>>>> >> > just >>>>> >> > let anyone move money around, who knows who can use it >>>>> launder money >>>>> >> > (terrorists, drug dealers etc). Not to mention the fact >>>>> >> > that >>>>> we're >>>>> >> dealing >>>>> >> > with taxpayer money, would you want you hard earned taxes >>>>> going to an >>>>> >> > unknown entity that follows no rules? >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > Regards, >>>>> >> > John K. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > On 8 October 2015 at 16:09, Oliver Ndegwa < >>>>> olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> >>>>> >> > wrote: >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> >> Do i really need to have an association with a bank to >>>>> develop an e >>>>> >> >> payment system. Partnerships are formed on demand and they >>>>> do not have >>>>> >> to >>>>> >> >> be formal, they are for convenience as long as the client >>>>> is safe and >>>>> >> >> happy. That to me sounds like a jealous character who can >>>>> not believe >>>>> >> how >>>>> >> >> much successful the system has been besides its falls here >>>>> and there. >>>>> >> >> To >>>>> >> >> me >>>>> >> >> the kenyan company rightfully deserved to win the job, >>>>> >> >> they >>>>> are >>>>> >> >> reputable, >>>>> >> >> have a history in the same business. Everything else is >>>>> >> >> all >>>>> politics >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> Me 2 cents >>>>> >> >> Oliver >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 2:49 PM, John K. via skunkworks < >>>>> >> >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> I'll just leave this here. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>>>> http://www.nation.co.ke/counties/nairobi/MPs-want-Kidero-probed-over-jambopa... >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> How did they win a tender when they were not associated >>>>> with a >>>>> >> financial >>>>> >> >>> institution? KCB denied any links with them. 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