Techies.. Its about time - our own governing body is over due
Dear Skunks, I believe its about time that the techies came together to form an association like any other group of professionals. The doctors, Lawyers, Architects, Engineers, finance. They have a body that governs their businesses and that sets forth certain standards that even employers have to adhere to. This way we can take all the talent available and we can nature over time graduating professions from one stage to another and eventually they can become e.g. senior partners as auditors and lawyers would refer them. In this case probably it would be Senior Technical Partner I am talking of a body consisting of duly elected or designated representatives and IT professionals from all walks joining and forming a very strong team that even the Government its self would recognize and will be coming to us for consultation let alone advice on matters of technology and its innovation/ investments. For example with the ICT city coming up soon, we should be at the fore front coming up with plans of what we envision the next techie power house will entail. Setting up standards that investors will come to adhere to so that they dont come thinking that Kenya is a cheap labor country where they can misuse our painfully earned expertise. More so, this can be used to protect its members from possible exploitation in the market place, I mean the possibilities are endless. We need to set the pace for the rest of Africa to emulate and who knows you might find them requesting for membership having gained recognitions world wide... My thoughts, Lets deliberate on this, lets look at the possibilities, keeping an open mind.. This could be it.... Warm Regards Oliver
ill draw you to first principles, who are we as defined by "techies". what disciplines are we talking about here? On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
Dear Skunks,
I believe its about time that the techies came together to form an association like any other group of professionals.
The doctors, Lawyers, Architects, Engineers, finance. They have a body that governs their businesses and that sets forth certain standards that even employers have to adhere to.
This way we can take all the talent available and we can nature over time graduating professions from one stage to another and eventually they can become e.g. senior partners as auditors and lawyers would refer them. In this case probably it would be Senior Technical Partner
I am talking of a body consisting of duly elected or designated representatives and IT professionals from all walks joining and forming a very strong team that even the Government its self would recognize and will be coming to us for consultation let alone advice on matters of technology and its innovation/ investments.
For example with the ICT city coming up soon, we should be at the fore front coming up with plans of what we envision the next techie power house will entail. Setting up standards that investors will come to adhere to so that they dont come thinking that Kenya is a cheap labor country where they can misuse our painfully earned expertise.
More so, this can be used to protect its members from possible exploitation in the market place, I mean the possibilities are endless.
We need to set the pace for the rest of Africa to emulate and who knows you might find them requesting for membership having gained recognitions world wide... My thoughts,
Lets deliberate on this, lets look at the possibilities, keeping an open mind.. This could be it....
Warm Regards Oliver
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Makes sense Collins, there is no profession as Techie, lets join existing organisations and be reformers, reformers are influencers, we should only go for existing associations when there is real need. Skunkworks is a recognised forum. On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:32 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
ill draw you to first principles, who are we as defined by "techies". what disciplines are we talking about here?
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
Dear Skunks,
I believe its about time that the techies came together to form an association like any other group of professionals.
The doctors, Lawyers, Architects, Engineers, finance. They have a body that governs their businesses and that sets forth certain standards that even employers have to adhere to.
This way we can take all the talent available and we can nature over time graduating professions from one stage to another and eventually they can become e.g. senior partners as auditors and lawyers would refer them. In this case probably it would be Senior Technical Partner
I am talking of a body consisting of duly elected or designated representatives and IT professionals from all walks joining and forming a very strong team that even the Government its self would recognize and will be coming to us for consultation let alone advice on matters of technology and its innovation/ investments.
For example with the ICT city coming up soon, we should be at the fore front coming up with plans of what we envision the next techie power house will entail. Setting up standards that investors will come to adhere to so that they dont come thinking that Kenya is a cheap labor country where they can misuse our painfully earned expertise.
More so, this can be used to protect its members from possible exploitation in the market place, I mean the possibilities are endless.
We need to set the pace for the rest of Africa to emulate and who knows you might find them requesting for membership having gained recognitions world wide... My thoughts,
Lets deliberate on this, lets look at the possibilities, keeping an open mind.. This could be it....
Warm Regards Oliver
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thought we were Engineers? ./Ok3ch On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Makes sense Collins, there is no profession as Techie, lets join existing organisations and be reformers, reformers are influencers, we should only go for existing associations when there is real need. Skunkworks is a recognised forum.
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:32 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
ill draw you to first principles, who are we as defined by "techies". what disciplines are we talking about here?
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Skunks,
I believe its about time that the techies came together to form an association like any other group of professionals.
The doctors, Lawyers, Architects, Engineers, finance. They have a body that governs their businesses and that sets forth certain standards that even employers have to adhere to.
This way we can take all the talent available and we can nature over time graduating professions from one stage to another and eventually they can become e.g. senior partners as auditors and lawyers would refer them. In this case probably it would be Senior Technical Partner
I am talking of a body consisting of duly elected or designated representatives and IT professionals from all walks joining and forming a very strong team that even the Government its self would recognize and will be coming to us for consultation let alone advice on matters of technology and its innovation/ investments.
For example with the ICT city coming up soon, we should be at the fore front coming up with plans of what we envision the next techie power house will entail. Setting up standards that investors will come to adhere to so that they dont come thinking that Kenya is a cheap labor country where they can misuse our painfully earned expertise.
More so, this can be used to protect its members from possible exploitation in the market place, I mean the possibilities are endless.
We need to set the pace for the rest of Africa to emulate and who knows you might find them requesting for membership having gained recognitions world wide... My thoughts,
Lets deliberate on this, lets look at the possibilities, keeping an open mind.. This could be it....
Warm Regards Oliver
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I have brought to your attention now that fact. Who are we defined as..... Is the question and I believe if we can answer that question then it will be very easy to identify where we belong. My use of the word 'Teckie' was trigger our mind that people need to stop refers to us as techies.. We are Software / systems engineers and architects... But what is our Identity... Oliver On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
thought we were Engineers?
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Makes sense Collins, there is no profession as Techie, lets join existing organisations and be reformers, reformers are influencers, we should only go for existing associations when there is real need. Skunkworks is a recognised forum.
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:32 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
ill draw you to first principles, who are we as defined by "techies".
what
disciplines are we talking about here?
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Skunks,
I believe its about time that the techies came together to form an association like any other group of professionals.
The doctors, Lawyers, Architects, Engineers, finance. They have a body that governs their businesses and that sets forth certain standards
that
even employers have to adhere to.
This way we can take all the talent available and we can nature over time graduating professions from one stage to another and eventually they can become e.g. senior partners as auditors and lawyers would refer them. In this case probably it would be Senior Technical Partner
I am talking of a body consisting of duly elected or designated representatives and IT professionals from all walks joining and forming a very strong team that even the Government its self would recognize and will be coming to us for consultation let alone advice on matters of technology and its innovation/ investments.
For example with the ICT city coming up soon, we should be at the fore front coming up with plans of what we envision the next techie power house will entail. Setting up standards that investors will come to adhere to so that they dont come thinking that Kenya is a cheap labor country where they can misuse our painfully earned expertise.
More so, this can be used to protect its members from possible exploitation in the market place, I mean the possibilities are endless.
We need to set the pace for the rest of Africa to emulate and who knows you might find them requesting for membership having gained recognitions world wide... My thoughts,
Lets deliberate on this, lets look at the possibilities, keeping an open mind.. This could be it....
Warm Regards Oliver
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Some of us are Computer Scientists not all of us are engineers :) On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
I have brought to your attention now that fact. Who are we defined as..... Is the question and I believe if we can answer that question then it will be very easy to identify where we belong.
My use of the word 'Teckie' was trigger our mind that people need to stop refers to us as techies.. We are Software / systems engineers and architects... But what is our Identity...
Oliver
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
thought we were Engineers?
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Makes sense Collins, there is no profession as Techie, lets join existing organisations and be reformers, reformers are influencers, we should only go for existing associations when there is real need. Skunkworks is a recognised forum.
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:32 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
ill draw you to first principles, who are we as defined by "techies".
what
disciplines are we talking about here?
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Skunks,
I believe its about time that the techies came together to form an association like any other group of professionals.
The doctors, Lawyers, Architects, Engineers, finance. They have a body that governs their businesses and that sets forth certain standards
that
even employers have to adhere to.
This way we can take all the talent available and we can nature over time graduating professions from one stage to another and eventually they can become e.g. senior partners as auditors and lawyers would refer them. In this case probably it would be Senior Technical Partner
I am talking of a body consisting of duly elected or designated representatives and IT professionals from all walks joining and forming a very strong team that even the Government its self would recognize and will be coming to us for consultation let alone advice on matters of technology and its innovation/ investments.
For example with the ICT city coming up soon, we should be at the fore front coming up with plans of what we envision the next techie power house will entail. Setting up standards that investors will come to adhere to so that they dont come thinking that Kenya is a cheap labor country where they can misuse our painfully earned expertise.
More so, this can be used to protect its members from possible exploitation in the market place, I mean the possibilities are endless.
We need to set the pace for the rest of Africa to emulate and who knows you might find them requesting for membership having gained recognitions world wide... My thoughts,
Lets deliberate on this, lets look at the possibilities, keeping an open mind.. This could be it....
Warm Regards Oliver
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@ Jacob precisely my point. The thing is we all have something in common and skunk works defines that pretty well by managing to put us together in this list and forum. We have similar interests and a similar line of thoughts, technically speaking. One thing from an engineer or an architect or a scientists, we have a connection somewhere and I believe this is what we are trying to define. Strange thing is our lines are extremely diverse because we handle both Information and communication. The question of joining an existing body is probably a good idea but it would probably put the professionals apart from each other. Imagine a systems Auditor, what would be his association of choice. This is a guy who has a good understanding of infrastructure, databases and is into research of evolving technologies so that his opinion is always up to date with the trends.. If there was one body for ICT it would govern the whole spectrum and each of us would have a sense of belonging. Oliver On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Jacob Odada <jacob.odada@gmail.com> wrote:
Some of us are Computer Scientists not all of us are engineers :my point)
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
I have brought to your attention now that fact. Who are we defined as..... Is the question and I believe if we can answer that question then it will be very easy to identify where we belong.
My use of the word 'Teckie' was trigger our mind that people need to stop refers to us as techies.. We are Software / systems engineers and architects... But what is our Identity...
Oliver
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
thought we were Engineers?
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Makes sense Collins, there is no profession as Techie, lets join existing organisations and be reformers, reformers are influencers, we should only go for existing associations when there is real need. Skunkworks is a recognised forum.
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:32 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
ill draw you to first principles, who are we as defined by "techies".
what
disciplines are we talking about here?
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com
wrote:
Dear Skunks,
I believe its about time that the techies came together to form an association like any other group of professionals.
The doctors, Lawyers, Architects, Engineers, finance. They have a
body
that governs their businesses and that sets forth certain standards that even employers have to adhere to.
This way we can take all the talent available and we can nature over time graduating professions from one stage to another and eventually they can become e.g. senior partners as auditors and lawyers would refer them. In this case probably it would be Senior Technical Partner
I am talking of a body consisting of duly elected or designated representatives and IT professionals from all walks joining and forming a very strong team that even the Government its self would recognize and will be coming to us for consultation let alone advice on matters of technology and its innovation/ investments.
For example with the ICT city coming up soon, we should be at the fore front coming up with plans of what we envision the next techie power house will entail. Setting up standards that investors will come to adhere to so that they dont come thinking that Kenya is a cheap labor country where they can misuse our painfully earned expertise.
More so, this can be used to protect its members from possible exploitation in the market place, I mean the possibilities are endless.
We need to set the pace for the rest of Africa to emulate and who knows you might find them requesting for membership having gained recognitions world wide... My thoughts,
Lets deliberate on this, lets look at the possibilities, keeping an open mind.. This could be it....
Warm Regards Oliver
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Isnt the Computer Society of Kenya already in place? Cant well all just join it and strengthen it or revolutionise it ? Any one here in CSK ? On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
@ Jacob precisely my point. The thing is we all have something in common and skunk works defines that pretty well by managing to put us together in this list and forum. We have similar interests and a similar line of thoughts, technically speaking.
One thing from an engineer or an architect or a scientists, we have a connection somewhere and I believe this is what we are trying to define. Strange thing is our lines are extremely diverse because we handle both Information and communication.
The question of joining an existing body is probably a good idea but it would probably put the professionals apart from each other. Imagine a systems Auditor, what would be his association of choice. This is a guy who has a good understanding of infrastructure, databases and is into research of evolving technologies so that his opinion is always up to date with the trends.. If there was one body for ICT it would govern the whole spectrum and each of us would have a sense of belonging.
Oliver
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Jacob Odada <jacob.odada@gmail.com>wrote:
Some of us are Computer Scientists not all of us are engineers :my point)
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
I have brought to your attention now that fact. Who are we defined as..... Is the question and I believe if we can answer that question then it will be very easy to identify where we belong.
My use of the word 'Teckie' was trigger our mind that people need to stop refers to us as techies.. We are Software / systems engineers and architects... But what is our Identity...
Oliver
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
thought we were Engineers?
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Makes sense Collins, there is no profession as Techie, lets join existing organisations and be reformers, reformers are influencers, we should only go for existing associations when there is real need. Skunkworks is a recognised forum.
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:32 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com
wrote:
ill draw you to first principles, who are we as defined by "techies".
what
disciplines are we talking about here?
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Oliver Ndegwa < olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear Skunks, > > I believe its about time that the techies came together to form an > association like any other group of professionals. > > The doctors, Lawyers, Architects, Engineers, finance. They have a body > that governs their businesses and that sets forth certain standards that > even employers have to adhere to. > > This way we can take all the talent available and we can nature over time > graduating professions from one stage to another and eventually they can > become e.g. senior partners as auditors and lawyers would refer them. In > this case probably it would be Senior Technical Partner > > I am talking of a body consisting of duly elected or designated > representatives and IT professionals from all walks joining and forming a > very strong team that even the Government its self would recognize and will > be coming to us for consultation let alone advice on matters of technology > and its innovation/ investments. > > For example with the ICT city coming up soon, we should be at the fore > front coming up with plans of what we envision the next techie power house > will entail. Setting up standards that investors will come to adhere to so > that they dont come thinking that Kenya is a cheap labor country where they > can misuse our painfully earned expertise. > > More so, this can be used to protect its members from possible > exploitation in the market place, I mean the possibilities are endless. > > We need to set the pace for the rest of Africa to emulate and who knows > you might find them requesting for membership having gained recognitions > world wide... My thoughts, > > Lets deliberate on this, lets look at the possibilities, keeping an open > mind.. This could be it.... > > Warm Regards > Oliver > > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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Im an engineer, na mimi ni techie. sorry guys, could not resist that one. On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Jacob Odada <jacob.odada@gmail.com> wrote:
Isnt the Computer Society of Kenya already in place? Cant well all just join it and strengthen it or revolutionise it ?
Any one here in CSK ?
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
@ Jacob precisely my point. The thing is we all have something in common and skunk works defines that pretty well by managing to put us together in this list and forum. We have similar interests and a similar line of thoughts, technically speaking.
One thing from an engineer or an architect or a scientists, we have a connection somewhere and I believe this is what we are trying to define. Strange thing is our lines are extremely diverse because we handle both Information and communication.
The question of joining an existing body is probably a good idea but it would probably put the professionals apart from each other. Imagine a systems Auditor, what would be his association of choice. This is a guy who has a good understanding of infrastructure, databases and is into research of evolving technologies so that his opinion is always up to date with the trends.. If there was one body for ICT it would govern the whole spectrum and each of us would have a sense of belonging.
Oliver
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Jacob Odada <jacob.odada@gmail.com>wrote:
Some of us are Computer Scientists not all of us are engineers :my point)
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
I have brought to your attention now that fact. Who are we defined as..... Is the question and I believe if we can answer that question then it will be very easy to identify where we belong.
My use of the word 'Teckie' was trigger our mind that people need to stop refers to us as techies.. We are Software / systems engineers and architects... But what is our Identity...
Oliver
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
thought we were Engineers?
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Makes sense Collins, there is no profession as Techie, lets join existing organisations and be reformers, reformers are influencers, we should only go for existing associations when there is real need. Skunkworks is a recognised forum.
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:32 PM, [ Brainiac ] < arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote: > > ill draw you to first principles, who are we as defined by "techies". what > disciplines are we talking about here? > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Oliver Ndegwa < olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Dear Skunks, >> >> I believe its about time that the techies came together to form an >> association like any other group of professionals. >> >> The doctors, Lawyers, Architects, Engineers, finance. They have a body >> that governs their businesses and that sets forth certain standards that >> even employers have to adhere to. >> >> This way we can take all the talent available and we can nature over time >> graduating professions from one stage to another and eventually they can >> become e.g. senior partners as auditors and lawyers would refer them. In >> this case probably it would be Senior Technical Partner >> >> I am talking of a body consisting of duly elected or designated >> representatives and IT professionals from all walks joining and forming a >> very strong team that even the Government its self would recognize and will >> be coming to us for consultation let alone advice on matters of technology >> and its innovation/ investments. >> >> For example with the ICT city coming up soon, we should be at the fore >> front coming up with plans of what we envision the next techie power house >> will entail. Setting up standards that investors will come to adhere to so >> that they dont come thinking that Kenya is a cheap labor country where they >> can misuse our painfully earned expertise. >> >> More so, this can be used to protect its members from possible >> exploitation in the market place, I mean the possibilities are endless. >> >> We need to set the pace for the rest of Africa to emulate and who knows >> you might find them requesting for membership having gained recognitions >> world wide... My thoughts, >> >> Lets deliberate on this, lets look at the possibilities, keeping an open >> mind.. This could be it.... >> >> Warm Regards >> Oliver >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >> >> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > -- > Posted on 100% recycled electrons > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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I am a computer scientist, and Im NOT a Techie :-) could also not resist. On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 1:26 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
Im an engineer, na mimi ni techie.
sorry guys, could not resist that one.
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Jacob Odada <jacob.odada@gmail.com>wrote:
Isnt the Computer Society of Kenya already in place? Cant well all just join it and strengthen it or revolutionise it ?
Any one here in CSK ?
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
@ Jacob precisely my point. The thing is we all have something in common and skunk works defines that pretty well by managing to put us together in this list and forum. We have similar interests and a similar line of thoughts, technically speaking.
One thing from an engineer or an architect or a scientists, we have a connection somewhere and I believe this is what we are trying to define. Strange thing is our lines are extremely diverse because we handle both Information and communication.
The question of joining an existing body is probably a good idea but it would probably put the professionals apart from each other. Imagine a systems Auditor, what would be his association of choice. This is a guy who has a good understanding of infrastructure, databases and is into research of evolving technologies so that his opinion is always up to date with the trends.. If there was one body for ICT it would govern the whole spectrum and each of us would have a sense of belonging.
Oliver
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Jacob Odada <jacob.odada@gmail.com>wrote:
Some of us are Computer Scientists not all of us are engineers :my point)
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
I have brought to your attention now that fact. Who are we defined as..... Is the question and I believe if we can answer that question then it will be very easy to identify where we belong.
My use of the word 'Teckie' was trigger our mind that people need to stop refers to us as techies.. We are Software / systems engineers and architects... But what is our Identity...
Oliver
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com>wrote:
thought we were Engineers?
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: > Makes sense Collins, there is no profession as Techie, lets join existing > organisations and be reformers, reformers are influencers, we should only go > for existing associations when there is real need. Skunkworks is a > recognised forum. > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:32 PM, [ Brainiac ] < arebacollins@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> ill draw you to first principles, who are we as defined by "techies". what >> disciplines are we talking about here? >> >> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Oliver Ndegwa < olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Skunks, >>> >>> I believe its about time that the techies came together to form an >>> association like any other group of professionals. >>> >>> The doctors, Lawyers, Architects, Engineers, finance. They have a body >>> that governs their businesses and that sets forth certain standards that >>> even employers have to adhere to. >>> >>> This way we can take all the talent available and we can nature over time >>> graduating professions from one stage to another and eventually they can >>> become e.g. senior partners as auditors and lawyers would refer them. In >>> this case probably it would be Senior Technical Partner >>> >>> I am talking of a body consisting of duly elected or designated >>> representatives and IT professionals from all walks joining and forming a >>> very strong team that even the Government its self would recognize and will >>> be coming to us for consultation let alone advice on matters of technology >>> and its innovation/ investments. >>> >>> For example with the ICT city coming up soon, we should be at the fore >>> front coming up with plans of what we envision the next techie power house >>> will entail. Setting up standards that investors will come to adhere to so >>> that they dont come thinking that Kenya is a cheap labor country where they >>> can misuse our painfully earned expertise. >>> >>> More so, this can be used to protect its members from possible >>> exploitation in the market place, I mean the possibilities are endless. >>> >>> We need to set the pace for the rest of Africa to emulate and who knows >>> you might find them requesting for membership having gained recognitions >>> world wide... My thoughts, >>> >>> Lets deliberate on this, lets look at the possibilities, keeping an open >>> mind.. This could be it.... >>> >>> Warm Regards >>> Oliver >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >>> >>> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... >>> ------------ >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> >> -- >> Posted on 100% recycled electrons >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >> >> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > -- > Barrack O. Otieno > +41767892272 > Skype: barrack.otieno > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
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I attended the first ever skunkworks meeting way back in 2006 and we resolved that we were pioneering a forum for techies. So non techies.... On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
I am a computer scientist, and Im NOT a Techie :-) could also not resist.
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 1:26 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
Im an engineer, na mimi ni techie.
sorry guys, could not resist that one.
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Jacob Odada <jacob.odada@gmail.com>wrote:
Isnt the Computer Society of Kenya already in place? Cant well all just join it and strengthen it or revolutionise it ?
Any one here in CSK ?
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
@ Jacob precisely my point. The thing is we all have something in common and skunk works defines that pretty well by managing to put us together in this list and forum. We have similar interests and a similar line of thoughts, technically speaking.
One thing from an engineer or an architect or a scientists, we have a connection somewhere and I believe this is what we are trying to define. Strange thing is our lines are extremely diverse because we handle both Information and communication.
The question of joining an existing body is probably a good idea but it would probably put the professionals apart from each other. Imagine a systems Auditor, what would be his association of choice. This is a guy who has a good understanding of infrastructure, databases and is into research of evolving technologies so that his opinion is always up to date with the trends.. If there was one body for ICT it would govern the whole spectrum and each of us would have a sense of belonging.
Oliver
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Jacob Odada <jacob.odada@gmail.com>wrote:
Some of us are Computer Scientists not all of us are engineers :my point)
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
I have brought to your attention now that fact. Who are we defined as..... Is the question and I believe if we can answer that question then it will be very easy to identify where we belong.
My use of the word 'Teckie' was trigger our mind that people need to stop refers to us as techies.. We are Software / systems engineers and architects... But what is our Identity...
Oliver
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com>wrote:
> thought we were Engineers? > > ./Ok3ch > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Barrack Otieno > <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: > > Makes sense Collins, there is no profession as Techie, lets join > existing > > organisations and be reformers, reformers are influencers, we > should only go > > for existing associations when there is real need. Skunkworks is a > > recognised forum. > > > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:32 PM, [ Brainiac ] < > arebacollins@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> ill draw you to first principles, who are we as defined by > "techies". what > >> disciplines are we talking about here? > >> > >> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Oliver Ndegwa < > olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Dear Skunks, > >>> > >>> I believe its about time that the techies came together to form > an > >>> association like any other group of professionals. > >>> > >>> The doctors, Lawyers, Architects, Engineers, finance. They have a > body > >>> that governs their businesses and that sets forth certain > standards that > >>> even employers have to adhere to. > >>> > >>> This way we can take all the talent available and we can nature > over time > >>> graduating professions from one stage to another and eventually > they can > >>> become e.g. senior partners as auditors and lawyers would refer > them. In > >>> this case probably it would be Senior Technical Partner > >>> > >>> I am talking of a body consisting of duly elected or designated > >>> representatives and IT professionals from all walks joining and > forming a > >>> very strong team that even the Government its self would > recognize and will > >>> be coming to us for consultation let alone advice on matters of > technology > >>> and its innovation/ investments. > >>> > >>> For example with the ICT city coming up soon, we should be at the > fore > >>> front coming up with plans of what we envision the next techie > power house > >>> will entail. Setting up standards that investors will come to > adhere to so > >>> that they dont come thinking that Kenya is a cheap labor country > where they > >>> can misuse our painfully earned expertise. > >>> > >>> More so, this can be used to protect its members from possible > >>> exploitation in the market place, I mean the possibilities are > endless. > >>> > >>> We need to set the pace for the rest of Africa to emulate and who > knows > >>> you might find them requesting for membership having gained > recognitions > >>> world wide... My thoughts, > >>> > >>> Lets deliberate on this, lets look at the possibilities, keeping > an open > >>> mind.. This could be it.... > >>> > >>> Warm Regards > >>> Oliver > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Skunkworks mailing list > >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > >>> ------------ > >>> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > >>> > >>> > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... > >>> ------------ > >>> Skunkworks Rules > >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > >>> ------------ > >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Posted on 100% recycled electrons > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Skunkworks mailing list > >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > >> ------------ > >> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > >> > >> > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... > >> ------------ > >> Skunkworks Rules > >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > >> ------------ > >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > > > > > -- > > Barrack O. Otieno > > +41767892272 > > Skype: barrack.otieno > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Skunkworks mailing list > > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > > ------------ > > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... > > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > > ------------ > > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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ok..may be 2007 On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Brian Rioba <rriobs@gmail.com> wrote:
I attended the first ever skunkworks meeting way back in 2006 and we resolved that we were pioneering a forum for techies. So non techies....
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
I am a computer scientist, and Im NOT a Techie :-) could also not resist.
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 1:26 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
Im an engineer, na mimi ni techie.
sorry guys, could not resist that one.
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Jacob Odada <jacob.odada@gmail.com>wrote:
Isnt the Computer Society of Kenya already in place? Cant well all just join it and strengthen it or revolutionise it ?
Any one here in CSK ?
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
@ Jacob precisely my point. The thing is we all have something in common and skunk works defines that pretty well by managing to put us together in this list and forum. We have similar interests and a similar line of thoughts, technically speaking.
One thing from an engineer or an architect or a scientists, we have a connection somewhere and I believe this is what we are trying to define. Strange thing is our lines are extremely diverse because we handle both Information and communication.
The question of joining an existing body is probably a good idea but it would probably put the professionals apart from each other. Imagine a systems Auditor, what would be his association of choice. This is a guy who has a good understanding of infrastructure, databases and is into research of evolving technologies so that his opinion is always up to date with the trends.. If there was one body for ICT it would govern the whole spectrum and each of us would have a sense of belonging.
Oliver
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Jacob Odada <jacob.odada@gmail.com>wrote:
Some of us are Computer Scientists not all of us are engineers :my point)
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com > wrote:
> I have brought to your attention now that fact. Who are we defined > as..... Is the question and I believe if we can answer that question then it > will be very easy to identify where we belong. > > My use of the word 'Teckie' was trigger our mind that people need to > stop refers to us as techies.. We are Software / systems engineers and > architects... But what is our Identity... > > Oliver > > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com>wrote: > >> thought we were Engineers? >> >> ./Ok3ch >> >> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Barrack Otieno >> <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Makes sense Collins, there is no profession as Techie, lets join >> existing >> > organisations and be reformers, reformers are influencers, we >> should only go >> > for existing associations when there is real need. Skunkworks is a >> > recognised forum. >> > >> > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:32 PM, [ Brainiac ] < >> arebacollins@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> ill draw you to first principles, who are we as defined by >> "techies". what >> >> disciplines are we talking about here? >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Oliver Ndegwa < >> olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Dear Skunks, >> >>> >> >>> I believe its about time that the techies came together to form >> an >> >>> association like any other group of professionals. >> >>> >> >>> The doctors, Lawyers, Architects, Engineers, finance. They have >> a body >> >>> that governs their businesses and that sets forth certain >> standards that >> >>> even employers have to adhere to. >> >>> >> >>> This way we can take all the talent available and we can nature >> over time >> >>> graduating professions from one stage to another and eventually >> they can >> >>> become e.g. senior partners as auditors and lawyers would refer >> them. In >> >>> this case probably it would be Senior Technical Partner >> >>> >> >>> I am talking of a body consisting of duly elected or designated >> >>> representatives and IT professionals from all walks joining and >> forming a >> >>> very strong team that even the Government its self would >> recognize and will >> >>> be coming to us for consultation let alone advice on matters of >> technology >> >>> and its innovation/ investments. >> >>> >> >>> For example with the ICT city coming up soon, we should be at >> the fore >> >>> front coming up with plans of what we envision the next techie >> power house >> >>> will entail. Setting up standards that investors will come to >> adhere to so >> >>> that they dont come thinking that Kenya is a cheap labor country >> where they >> >>> can misuse our painfully earned expertise. >> >>> >> >>> More so, this can be used to protect its members from possible >> >>> exploitation in the market place, I mean the possibilities are >> endless. >> >>> >> >>> We need to set the pace for the rest of Africa to emulate and >> who knows >> >>> you might find them requesting for membership having gained >> recognitions >> >>> world wide... My thoughts, >> >>> >> >>> Lets deliberate on this, lets look at the possibilities, keeping >> an open >> >>> mind.. This could be it.... >> >>> >> >>> Warm Regards >> >>> Oliver >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Skunkworks mailing list >> >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> >>> ------------ >> >>> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >> >>> >> >>> >> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... >> >>> ------------ >> >>> Skunkworks Rules >> >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> >>> ------------ >> >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Posted on 100% recycled electrons >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Skunkworks mailing list >> >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >> >> >> >> >> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... >> >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> >> ------------ >> >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Barrack O. Otieno >> > +41767892272 >> > Skype: barrack.otieno >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Skunkworks mailing list >> > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> > ------------ >> > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >> > >> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... >> > ------------ >> > Skunkworks Rules >> > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> > ------------ >> > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >> >> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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@brian what is the empirical definition of a techie? On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Brian Rioba <rriobs@gmail.com> wrote:
ok..may be 2007
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Brian Rioba <rriobs@gmail.com> wrote:
I attended the first ever skunkworks meeting way back in 2006 and we resolved that we were pioneering a forum for techies. So non techies....
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
I am a computer scientist, and Im NOT a Techie :-) could also not resist.
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 1:26 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
Im an engineer, na mimi ni techie.
sorry guys, could not resist that one.
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Jacob Odada <jacob.odada@gmail.com>wrote:
Isnt the Computer Society of Kenya already in place? Cant well all just join it and strengthen it or revolutionise it ?
Any one here in CSK ?
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:
@ Jacob precisely my point. The thing is we all have something in common and skunk works defines that pretty well by managing to put us together in this list and forum. We have similar interests and a similar line of thoughts, technically speaking.
One thing from an engineer or an architect or a scientists, we have a connection somewhere and I believe this is what we are trying to define. Strange thing is our lines are extremely diverse because we handle both Information and communication.
The question of joining an existing body is probably a good idea but it would probably put the professionals apart from each other. Imagine a systems Auditor, what would be his association of choice. This is a guy who has a good understanding of infrastructure, databases and is into research of evolving technologies so that his opinion is always up to date with the trends.. If there was one body for ICT it would govern the whole spectrum and each of us would have a sense of belonging.
Oliver
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Jacob Odada <jacob.odada@gmail.com>wrote:
> Some of us are Computer Scientists not all of us are engineers :my > point) > > > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Oliver Ndegwa < > olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I have brought to your attention now that fact. Who are we defined >> as..... Is the question and I believe if we can answer that question then it >> will be very easy to identify where we belong. >> >> My use of the word 'Teckie' was trigger our mind that people need to >> stop refers to us as techies.. We are Software / systems engineers and >> architects... But what is our Identity... >> >> Oliver >> >> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> thought we were Engineers? >>> >>> ./Ok3ch >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Barrack Otieno >>> <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > Makes sense Collins, there is no profession as Techie, lets join >>> existing >>> > organisations and be reformers, reformers are influencers, we >>> should only go >>> > for existing associations when there is real need. Skunkworks is >>> a >>> > recognised forum. >>> > >>> > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:32 PM, [ Brainiac ] < >>> arebacollins@gmail.com> >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> ill draw you to first principles, who are we as defined by >>> "techies". what >>> >> disciplines are we talking about here? >>> >> >>> >> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Oliver Ndegwa < >>> olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear Skunks, >>> >>> >>> >>> I believe its about time that the techies came together to form >>> an >>> >>> association like any other group of professionals. >>> >>> >>> >>> The doctors, Lawyers, Architects, Engineers, finance. They have >>> a body >>> >>> that governs their businesses and that sets forth certain >>> standards that >>> >>> even employers have to adhere to. >>> >>> >>> >>> This way we can take all the talent available and we can nature >>> over time >>> >>> graduating professions from one stage to another and eventually >>> they can >>> >>> become e.g. senior partners as auditors and lawyers would refer >>> them. In >>> >>> this case probably it would be Senior Technical Partner >>> >>> >>> >>> I am talking of a body consisting of duly elected or designated >>> >>> representatives and IT professionals from all walks joining and >>> forming a >>> >>> very strong team that even the Government its self would >>> recognize and will >>> >>> be coming to us for consultation let alone advice on matters of >>> technology >>> >>> and its innovation/ investments. >>> >>> >>> >>> For example with the ICT city coming up soon, we should be at >>> the fore >>> >>> front coming up with plans of what we envision the next techie >>> power house >>> >>> will entail. Setting up standards that investors will come to >>> adhere to so >>> >>> that they dont come thinking that Kenya is a cheap labor >>> country where they >>> >>> can misuse our painfully earned expertise. >>> >>> >>> >>> More so, this can be used to protect its members from possible >>> >>> exploitation in the market place, I mean the possibilities are >>> endless. >>> >>> >>> >>> We need to set the pace for the rest of Africa to emulate and >>> who knows >>> >>> you might find them requesting for membership having gained >>> recognitions >>> >>> world wide... My thoughts, >>> >>> >>> >>> Lets deliberate on this, lets look at the possibilities, >>> keeping an open >>> >>> mind.. This could be it.... >>> >>> >>> >>> Warm Regards >>> >>> Oliver >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... >>> >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> >>> ------------ >>> >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Posted on 100% recycled electrons >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Skunkworks mailing list >>> >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> >> ------------ >>> >> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >>> >> >>> >> >>> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... >>> >> ------------ >>> >> Skunkworks Rules >>> >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> >> ------------ >>> >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Barrack O. Otieno >>> > +41767892272 >>> > Skype: barrack.otieno >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Skunkworks mailing list >>> > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> > ------------ >>> > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >>> > >>> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... >>> > ------------ >>> > Skunkworks Rules >>> > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> > ------------ >>> > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >>> >>> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... >>> ------------ >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >> >> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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A Techie is word derivative of the word technology, for a person who displays a great, sometimes even obsessive, interest in technology, high-tech devices, and particularly computers. ... That's right. Oliver On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 1:46 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@brian what is the empirical definition of a techie?
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Brian Rioba <rriobs@gmail.com> wrote:
ok..may be 2007
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Brian Rioba <rriobs@gmail.com> wrote:
I attended the first ever skunkworks meeting way back in 2006 and we resolved that we were pioneering a forum for techies. So non techies....
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
I am a computer scientist, and Im NOT a Techie :-) could also not resist.
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 1:26 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
Im an engineer, na mimi ni techie.
sorry guys, could not resist that one.
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Jacob Odada <jacob.odada@gmail.com>wrote:
Isnt the Computer Society of Kenya already in place? Cant well all just join it and strengthen it or revolutionise it ?
Any one here in CSK ?
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com > wrote:
> @ Jacob precisely my point. The thing is we all have something in > common and skunk works defines that pretty well by managing to put us > together in this list and forum. We have similar interests and a similar > line of thoughts, technically speaking. > > One thing from an engineer or an architect or a scientists, we have a > connection somewhere and I believe this is what we are trying to define. > Strange thing is our lines are extremely diverse because we handle both > Information and communication. > > The question of joining an existing body is probably a good idea but > it would probably put the professionals apart from each other. Imagine a > systems Auditor, what would be his association of choice. This is a guy who > has a good understanding of infrastructure, databases and is into research > of evolving technologies so that his opinion is always up to date with the > trends.. If there was one body for ICT it would govern the whole spectrum > and each of us would have a sense of belonging. > > Oliver > > > > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Jacob Odada <jacob.odada@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Some of us are Computer Scientists not all of us are engineers :my >> point) >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Oliver Ndegwa < >> olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I have brought to your attention now that fact. Who are we defined >>> as..... Is the question and I believe if we can answer that question then it >>> will be very easy to identify where we belong. >>> >>> My use of the word 'Teckie' was trigger our mind that people need >>> to stop refers to us as techies.. We are Software / systems engineers and >>> architects... But what is our Identity... >>> >>> Oliver >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> thought we were Engineers? >>>> >>>> ./Ok3ch >>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Barrack Otieno >>>> <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > Makes sense Collins, there is no profession as Techie, lets join >>>> existing >>>> > organisations and be reformers, reformers are influencers, we >>>> should only go >>>> > for existing associations when there is real need. Skunkworks is >>>> a >>>> > recognised forum. >>>> > >>>> > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:32 PM, [ Brainiac ] < >>>> arebacollins@gmail.com> >>>> > wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> ill draw you to first principles, who are we as defined by >>>> "techies". what >>>> >> disciplines are we talking about here? >>>> >> >>>> >> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Oliver Ndegwa < >>>> olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Dear Skunks, >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I believe its about time that the techies came together to >>>> form an >>>> >>> association like any other group of professionals. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> The doctors, Lawyers, Architects, Engineers, finance. They >>>> have a body >>>> >>> that governs their businesses and that sets forth certain >>>> standards that >>>> >>> even employers have to adhere to. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> This way we can take all the talent available and we can >>>> nature over time >>>> >>> graduating professions from one stage to another and >>>> eventually they can >>>> >>> become e.g. senior partners as auditors and lawyers would >>>> refer them. In >>>> >>> this case probably it would be Senior Technical Partner >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I am talking of a body consisting of duly elected or >>>> designated >>>> >>> representatives and IT professionals from all walks joining >>>> and forming a >>>> >>> very strong team that even the Government its self would >>>> recognize and will >>>> >>> be coming to us for consultation let alone advice on matters >>>> of technology >>>> >>> and its innovation/ investments. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> For example with the ICT city coming up soon, we should be at >>>> the fore >>>> >>> front coming up with plans of what we envision the next techie >>>> power house >>>> >>> will entail. Setting up standards that investors will come to >>>> adhere to so >>>> >>> that they dont come thinking that Kenya is a cheap labor >>>> country where they >>>> >>> can misuse our painfully earned expertise. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> More so, this can be used to protect its members from possible >>>> >>> exploitation in the market place, I mean the possibilities are >>>> endless. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> We need to set the pace for the rest of Africa to emulate and >>>> who knows >>>> >>> you might find them requesting for membership having gained >>>> recognitions >>>> >>> world wide... My thoughts, >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Lets deliberate on this, lets look at the possibilities, >>>> keeping an open >>>> >>> mind.. This could be it.... >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Warm Regards >>>> >>> Oliver >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>> >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> >>> ------------ >>>> >>> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... >>>> >>> ------------ >>>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> >>> ------------ >>>> >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> Posted on 100% recycled electrons >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> Skunkworks mailing list >>>> >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> >> ------------ >>>> >> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... >>>> >> ------------ >>>> >> Skunkworks Rules >>>> >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> >> ------------ >>>> >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Barrack O. 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A Techie is word derivative of the word technology, for a person who displays a great, sometimes even obsessive, interest in technology, high-tech devices, and particularly computers. ...
@Joram youre a techie.
On 25/08/2010 7:41 a, Oliver Ndegwa wrote:
I have brought to your attention now that fact. Who are we defined as..... Is the question and I believe if we can answer that question then it will be very easy to identify where we belong.
My use of the word 'Teckie' was trigger our mind that people need to stop refers to us as techies.. We are Software / systems engineers and architects... But what is our Identity...
Oliver
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skunk_Works http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skunkworks_project Skunkworks seems to be a group of hard core chaps from different scentific backgrounds who come together or brought together to do some *radically innovative* project. Kind of reminds me of a movie where this large commet was going to crash into earth and they got like the worlds best driller, a nuclear explosive expert, a couple of astronauts to fly the ships and they went and blew it into two to change its trajectory - Those must have been skunks! -- Jangita | +256 76 91 8383 | Y! & MSN: jangita@yahoo.com Skype: jangita | GTalk: jangita.nyagudi@gmail.com
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