On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Anthony Lenya <tlensya@gmail.com> wrote:

hehehe,

I linke the man eat man analogy. But I would rather 'man eat fish'.

lol!

Lenya

On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Joseph McDonald <mcdonaldoj@gmail.com> wrote:
> Interesting discussion
>
> I will not dwell on the argument whether CCK should reduce,charge or remove
> the licence fee or not.
>
> Convergence is a telecom industry reality,the new battlelines is between the
> telecommunication industry and the entertainment industry (Movies,online
> games,betting etc).
>
> So telecommunication industry should invest in high speed technologies
> 3G(IMT 2000) ,3G LTE going towards 4getc.
>
> Because the Moore's law will apply to the unforeseeable future.The demand
> for data is huge so far it stands at 10 exabytes per year (10 to the power
> of 18).People want more data and mobility.To achieve these two requirements
> you need platforms which are scalable and offering high speed connectivity
>
> Having said that there are also challenges which needs to be balanced e.g
>
> Commodotization Vs fast mover advantage
> Capital Expenditure Vs Innovation
> Government Regulation Vs De-regulation
> Adhoc cost cutting Vs Lean management (Unified oss/bss)
>
> And that is where Safcom wins they know what is happening and they adjust
> the strategy according to the environment.While the others sit back and
> whine and whine and whine.With alot of backing from skunkworks.
>
> Out there in the industry its man eat man......you either win or go home
> (like NBA playoffs)
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Mr. Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From a market stand point, what are the chances of YU, Zain, etc recouping
>> the 25M? They cannot start charging the exorbitant rates Safcom had the
>> privilege of charging for internet back then. Hell, even Safcom would have
>> trouble recouping the same amount now (based on data alone, not Mpesa and
>> other products)
>>
>> The market has changed and the conditions that applied then dont apply
>> now. I am with Bernad on this one - CCK should look for a more complex way
>> of determining the fees rather than a once-all fee.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 7:52 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> What is the rationale for CCK charging $25m to acquire 3G? Is there a
>>> universal criteria for these charges or they are determined on as-in
>>> basis?
>>>
>>> If there is no justifiable rationale behind this, then Zain should not
>>> pay less than what Safaricom paid for 3G.
>>>
>>> Corrections are welcome.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 03/06/2010, Bernard Owuor <b_owuor@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> > I think CCK should refund the $25million that was paid by safcom, and
>>> > desist
>>> > from charging such licensing fees - unless the goal is to protect the
>>> > licensees from spurious competition. As we have seen, the high fee only
>>> > serves to hinder competition - or, are Zain and Orange "spurious"
>>> > competition?
>>> >
>>> > I also think that a pay per use model for levies could be fairer to
>>> > all,
>>> > than a once-off. If the innovator makes a killing, it's only fairer
>>> > that CCK
>>> > (GoK?) shares in it. On the other hand, if it's a bad deal, the company
>>> > should not be punished for it.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Olive trees are important. They represent everything that roots us,
>>> > anchors
>>> > us, identifies us and locates us in this world - whether it be
>>> > belonging to
>>> > a family, a community, a tribe, a nation, a religion or, most of all, a
>>> > place called home.
>>> > - Thomas Friedman - "The Lexus And The Olive Tree"
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ________________________________
>>> > From: Moses <mosenetk@gmail.com>
>>> > To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke>
>>> > Sent: Wed, June 2, 2010 4:29:59 AM
>>> > Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Zain to Launch 3G Service in July
>>> >
>>> > Does this line of argument also point towards the guys who got a
>>> > unified
>>> > license recently should pay all cumulative costs for each category they
>>> > got
>>> > just like the Safcon and Zain had payed separately? Now that the
>>> > regulators
>>> > will have costs for licensing and review of mobile money systems, does
>>> > it
>>> > mean mpesa should be asked to pay those costs(backdated with
>>> > inflationary
>>> > adjustments)? The easy access of the existing operators into the 3G
>>> > segment
>>> > will only serve to grow the industry and give us "real" broadband
>>> > countrywide. The CCK should follow the fundamentals on which its
>>> > created and
>>> > stop falling to political noise so they can effectively regulate the
>>> > industry while representing the public goodwill.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>"I still think the fees should remain the same at USD
>>> >>> 25 million. That's
>>> >>>what Safaricom paid, and with inflation the money is even worth less."
>>> >>>
>>> >>>some
>>> >>> time back the nokia 3310 cost around 15K, by your reasoning it should
>>> >>>now cost 20K after factoring in inflation.
>>> >>>Personally, I belive
>>> >>>license fees should be tied to market trends and not history.
>>> >>>
>>> >>The 3310 depreciates over time, a 3G license appreciates because, based
>>> >> on
>>> >> my understanding of how these things work, more Kenyans are getting
>>> >> connected and thus the holder of the license will most likely make
>>> >> more
>>> >> money this year than last year, until such a point that any Kenyan
>>> >> that
>>> >> can be connected is connected, at which point the revenue generated by
>>> >> the
>>> >> business activities allowed by the 3G license will stabilize.
>>> >>
>>> >>Personally, I believe they should all pay the 25m.
>>> >>
>>> >>On other matters, it would be interesting to know how this money is
>>> >> spent
>>> >> by CCK and/or the GoK.
>>> >>
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>>>
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