@Kinuthia and Bernard still working on this and would like some more information is possible.<div><br></div><div>Can any of you give me an indication of the current cost of the DEM and clutter data from the GIS firms? This is so as to form a benchmark from which I can show my methods are more affordable.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Any help or contact that I can follow up with would be highly appreciated.</div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Bernard Mwagiru <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:bmwagiru@gmail.com" target="_blank">bmwagiru@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Allot is the most widely used tool.<br>Most telcos would use industry-tested tools but that doesn&#39;t mean yours wouldn&#39;t be useful. The effort would surely justify your years of hard-knock torture and surely place you at an advantage.My advice is, any tool that can make the life of radio planning and optimization bearable is worth it. So go ahead and make a presentation.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>


<br>./bernard</font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br><br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Mark Mwangi <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mwangy@gmail.com" target="_blank">mwangy@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
@kinuthia<div><br></div><div>Thanks for the response and confirming my extrapolation. I didn&#39;t know there were that many tools. Thought only Cellular Expert and radio mobile were used. </div><div>I am however not interested in developing a radio planning tool as that would be beyond my skill level and scope. I was thinking more of creating the terrain and clutter models using the satellite images or Aerial photos. If I can make accurate models cheaply using photogrammetry then that would be my value preposition to the telcos and related organizations and would justify 5 years of book grinding :) </div>




<div><br></div><div>So I gather Safaricom simply acquires the models from survey firms e.g. Ramani and not do it inhouse?</div><div><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Kinuthia Ngugi <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com" target="_blank">kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>




<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Your conjecture is very accurate. Most radio planning tools in the market utilize terrain and clutter data that is digitally modeled to represent what is actually on the ground. Resolution can very from tens of meters to even 1m, that means very accurate. These activities are done using a collection of techniques, mostly those you have mentioned here and many more. Then there are the normal topographical (surveyor) maps also used together with the digital models.<br>





<br>Locally I know of guys who do this, RAMANI, and I can tell you these models are expensive! Radio Planning tools<br>like Mentum Planet, Asset, Atoll, etc use these data and many more inputs to do plans, fine tune them and optimize. So roughly what you&#39;re talking about is that you want to make a planning tool.....I wouldn&#39;t say you&#39;re reinventing the wheel, I would suggest you probably look up info on commercial or open source radio planning tools and see what you can do differently.<br>





<br>Rgds<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Mark Mwangi <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mwangy@gmail.com" target="_blank">mwangy@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>
<br clear="all"><div>Hey guys/guyettes,</div><div><br></div><div>Working on my final year university project and would like to know if I am furiously trying to re-invent the wheel.</div><div><br></div><div>I would like to use aerial photos/satellite images in the planning, mapping, optimizing and construction of radio communication networks. So that using remote sensed data (Aerial photos, satellite pics, LIDAR etc) the ground profile can be accurately modeled and the whole network designed without having to put boots on the ground. This could be applied in WIMAX, 3G, LTE, or even DVB-T2 transmission stations. I am biased towards Aerial Photos/photogrammetry seeing as It requires less tech and achieves good results. I also think (have no actual evidence) it is cheaper of all the stated methods in terms of temporal and spatial resolution.</div>







<div><br></div><div>My predicament is I do not know what is currently used. It is perfectly possible that what I have described is precisely what is done. </div><div>Any techies on the list who work on the network planning side of telcos or independent contractors who can point me in the right direction or give me contacts of someone to talk to?</div>





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