Umm,

@Shiro and the rest. I apologize if I have stepped on anyone's toes or
come across as being discriminatory against residents of Dandora, but
at least allow me to explain myself as well.

I have just looked at www.zuku.co.ke and I have seen that they offer
broadband, cable TV or both products/services. I am not into
television and entertainment (perfect nerd, I guess), so I never
bothered to find out more about zuku after seeing/hearing that it's
got to do with what I'd call TVoIP - TV over the net. I have always
thought of zuku as internet TV plus broadband. So I eat humble pie and
acknowledge that I made a misinformed statement.

However, when this debate came up, I was thinking along the lines of -
if I was running Wananchi, I'd target areas where there is a high
chance of getting people to subscribe to my Internet TV service. I'm
talking about clients who are reliable and can be trusted to be able
to make due payments for the services subscribed for. Pardon me for
seeing things this way, I see myself as a realist rather than an
idealist. I don't know why. Anyway, I was thinking that taking
internet TV to Dandora residents is not a viable business option, both
in terms of potential client base and considering the security
risks/costs that would be involved. This view that the area is not
ideal for this kind of business has unfortunately been perceived to be
patronizing of me to Dandora residents. Please note that that is not
the case. I guess we are looking at the matter from different
perspectives.

I will try better next time to get my facts right before making
statement or giving opinion to this forum or anywhere else.



Me.

On 04/12/2009, Shiro Njagi <sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have to agree with the rest on this one Simon.
> That was really out of place...I'm shocked.
> Just because people live in low-income areas doesn't mean they can't afford
> laptops or even desktops or whatever so that they would need some internet
> connectivity.
> Does that mean Internet users are only those based in a few select areas in
> Nairobi and the rest of the country?
> I think you ought to apologize....just my thoughts
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 3:18 PM, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  Nice one Gichingiri.
>>
>> And on that same vein, if Bill Gates was of the same opinion, there would
>> be no desktop computers.
>>
>>   On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Gichingiri Kuria
>> <gmail@gichingiri.com>wrote:
>>
>>> With that type of thinking, there may be some people out there who wonder
>>> what Africans need the internet for.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/12/4 Simon Mbuthia <simon.mbuthia@gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> Good point Jared,
>>>>
>>>> But you cannot compare banking with Zuku, or can you?
>>>>
>>>> On 04/12/2009, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > Simon
>>>> >
>>>> > I find your derogatory remarks on Dandora a little strange. If James
>>>> Mwangi
>>>> > of Equity Bank had the same line of thought, I wonder where the
>>>> > banking
>>>> > sector would be in this country. It is the masses(Those living in
>>>> > Kawangware,Dandora,Kayole etc) who have pushed Equity to where it is
>>>> right
>>>> > now. Any serious ISP would want to bring Internet to the lower cadre
>>>> > to
>>>> reap
>>>> > full benefit of it's investment in Fibre cable. Who steals base
>>>> stations
>>>> > anyway?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > 2009/12/4 Simon Mbuthia <simon.mbuthia@gmail.com>
>>>> >
>>>> >> Hey guys,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It appears as though my message has been perceived to be
>>>> >> discriminatory. It is not. In fact, I have close relatives residing
>>>> >> there. But honestly, let's be realistic for the sake of sobriety.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Me.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 04/12/2009, Simon Mbuthia <simon.mbuthia@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> > Ai,
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Mr. Jared, ati Dandora??? Which engineer would be willing to set
>>>> foot
>>>> >> > there to set up a base station? And how long would the equipment
>>>> last
>>>> >> > on the site??
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > :)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On 03/12/2009, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >> The issue with most of these products and services is coverage.
>>>> They
>>>> >> >> are
>>>> >> >> all
>>>> >> >> cramped up in a narrow market segment. Zuku is within
>>>> CBD,Westi,Nairobi
>>>> >> >> West,South B/C Parklands,Loresho. So if you are staying in
>>>> >> >> Dandora,
>>>> >> >> your
>>>> >> >> stuck with safaricom or telkom dial-up
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> 2009/12/2 Gichingiri Kuria <gmail@gichingiri.com>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>> http://www.zuku.co.ke/biz/ - 10MBps on fibre at 10k - I wish
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> 2009/12/2 Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Wud love to do kdn but their signal is so weak where I am and
>>>> their
>>>> >> >>>> nanostations are too expensive. .
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> On 12/2/09, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>> > KDN butterfly. 2k for awesome speeds. Customer care, for that
>>>> price
>>>> >> >>>> > and speeds is acceptable.
>>>> >> >>>> >
>>>> >> >>>> > On 12/2/09, Gichingiri Kuria <gmail@gichingiri.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>> >> 1mbps at sh 4,500!!!!
>>>> >> >>>> >> New Years resolution, upgrade to 1mbps
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >> I've been with Zuku for 6 months now, service and speeds are
>>>> >> >>>> >> great.
>>>> >> >>>> >> Support over the weekends can be down, unanswered calls.
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >> I'd be glad to hear if there's a better ISP in terms of
>>>> speeds,
>>>> >> cost
>>>> >> >>>> and
>>>> >> >>>> >> support.
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >> 2009/12/2 John Macharia <kihahu@gmail.com>
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >>> Had it a few months ago, was fine except that their DHCP
>>>> server
>>>> >> was
>>>> >> >>>> >>> a
>>>> >> >>>> >>> mess.
>>>> >> >>>> >>> I'd suggest you go for it!
>>>> >> >>>> >>>
>>>> >> >>>> >>>
>>>> >> >>>> >>> On 12/2/09, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> >>>> Anyone on zuku to give recommendations on speeds , support
>>>> etc .
>>>> >> .
>>>> >> >>>> >>>> .
>>>> >> >>>> >>>> coz am thinkin of gettin zukud . . . .
>>>> >> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> >>>> --
>>>> >> >>>> >>>> Regards,
>>>> >> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> >>>> Mark Mwangi
>>>> >> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> >>>> http://mwangy.wordpress.com
>>>> >> >>>> >>>>
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