I second that. From the sound of it, it seems some pple are bracing themselves to dictate how the mail-list will be run or who joins age or otherwise, according to how much one contributed. Lets not forget we ave been using the system for years freely without those who contributed the current server and their man-power dictating;;(salute). ----------- David Maina. P. O. Box 8310-00200, NAIROBI, KENYA.. Cell:+254-721-950073. Registered Linux User #407239. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "By golly, I'm beginning to think Linux really *is* the best thing since sliced bread." --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Skunkworks Kenya To: "Skunkworks Forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 6:26 AM Skunkworks by nature discourages formality because more accountability means that you cannot have "anonymous" members. Also if a corporate lets call them Bigpockets IT company sponsors us and the next day Bigpockets gives me bad service, i cannot come and rant and rave about it can i?
I think the discussion of formalising skunkworks should be separated from stuff like server donations. Im happy with it as it is, we just need to know how far we have gone in raising cash for the server , when i send my contribution(when) if skunkworks falls apart, be sure I will not come claiming for a chip or processor, i feel nothing towards ownership. Maybe we should get more views?
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Brian Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all, I see this server purchase debate turning into some kind of pissing contest or them and us debate. Now there's talk about there being a separate mailing list only for those who contributed? And only donaters will have a say in how skunkworks evolves? That's a dangerous path to follow.
Either this is a loose collective where the tech community get to share ideas etc or it isn't, there's no middle ground. Some form of registration might be useful, especially now that the group needs to own property (server). But I must caution against just barging into this headlong. First off, things should be 'bottom-up', consensus driven, with maybe a small team empowered to handle administrative issues on a volunteer basis. Secondly there should be thought, discussion and if desired adoption of bylaws or a constitution.
I have set up non-profits and community organisations many times over the past 18yrs of my career in IT, and it is easy to make mistakes in the early stages which become very hard to solve later. But it is also easy to get things right and be proud of the product in a few years time.
First of all, don't let this server issue make some more equal than others. Brian Sent from my iPhone On Feb 16, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com> wrote:
Agreed Conrad. That is why the mailing list on the new Server, which is going to be owned by those who contribute to its purchase will be different. It should not be exploited by those who have not shown any goodwill to keep this mailing list alive by helping us purchase a new Skunkworks Server. My thoughts go to those who are struggling to survive in Kenya but are sacrificially giving to purchase a new Skunkworks Server. They are the ones who will have say on what goes on in the list. If they do not agree with this they can vote against it and let those who have refused to help us purchase a Server exploit the goodwill of those who have.
And one more thing, we (Kenyan SME's) are the future Corporate Orgs that are going to keep this list alive if it is filled with Business Sensibilities too.
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
If we do not see the benefit of contributing to a server for OURSELVES why would anyone else pump money into Skunkworks? We need to lead from in front to get credibility
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Murigi Muraya <mmskunkworks@gmail.com> wrote:
A bank account & corporate donations.
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