Thanks Okech...

This is where I suspected the confusion will set in:

8.If I can't tell what network somebody is with from the number, how will discounts for calls on the same network operate (on-net calls)?

The providers will know who their customers are, so they can still offer the discounts, but callers won't necessarily know if the people they call have switched to a new provider. To avoid unexpected charges, mobile users should confirm with their friends and their associates that they are using the same mobile network. It is therefore generally always better to use the service of the largest network(Vodacom), with the most subscribers to enjoy the cheapest calls.


./bernard

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Alot of what you are asking is answered here -
http://www.cellucity.co.za/numberporting.htm

./Ok3ch

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
> What;s the experience in these countries? E.g. In SA, how much does it cost
> to have my number "ported" to another network? And how are the services
> transparent, if at all?
>
> ./bernard
>
> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Number portability is working in many countries - for example SA - and
>> all these are taken into account when CCK was doing the feasibility
>> studies - We are not doing one here to answer this questions.
>>
>> ./Ok3ch
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Responses from operators attached
>> > http://www.cck.go.ke/links/consultations/published_responses.html
>> > Technically, I suspect its deployment to be painful.E.g. If i subscribe
>> > to
>> > Number portabilty, this means my NDC(0722) will remain the same across
>> > networks.This means a separate entity/Sub Db will be required to be
>> > queried
>> > for every call setup in the network(s) which has to be integrated to all
>> > operator billing systems. If I migrate to say orange, and use their
>> > network,
>> > obviously services will not vary.Its not clear how the transparent the
>> > tariff will be since a safcom subscriber calling me will expect to be
>> > charged as normal whereas I'm now technically on Orange network. What's
>> > the
>> > mechanism to be used to inform the caller that the dialed number is now
>> > on
>> > Orange and not safcom? Wouldn't that lead to confusion? Will there be
>> > delays
>> > in call setup time since now a separate core network node has been
>> > introduced?
>> > Are there successful(or not) case studies for us to understand these
>> > scenarios?
>> >
>> > ./bernard
>> >
>> > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 4:32 PM, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I wonder why someone would want to buy safaricom then shift to zain,
>> >> or yu. Price wars cannot be a justification. Maybe features war.
>> >>
>> >> There are people who have invested heavily on their networks in terms
>> >> of service features like Mpesa, paybill, and other subscriber
>> >> services.
>> >>
>> >> And finally, once you have migrated say from safaricom to orange, how
>> >> will I know in which network you belong? I would wish to send you
>> >> Mpesa, or call you expecting rates like those of my network
>> >>
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>> >> > From: Jeff Macharia <jeffmacharia@gmail.com>
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>> >> > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:11 AM, John Ndambuki
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>> >> >>
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>> >> >> Thanks Tony - this is welcome news indeed :)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'd like to hear the responses from the operators...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regarding the porting charges - it will be acceptable if they keep
>> >> >> it
>> >> >> at a
>> >> >> low value but I'm not sure what the operators will feel about this
>> >> >> especially Safaricom... On the other hand, I think the other
>> >> >> operators
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>> >> >> for
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>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Is the talk-shop now over? I can't wait to experience the proof of
>> >> >>> how
>> >> >>> peculiar we can get.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> http://www.cellular-news.com/story/42797.php?s=h
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