On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 11:54 AM, bernard ajwang <
ben@idealtents-ug.com> wrote:
> McD,
> I assume the point is to petition the regulator on content and timing of the
> show. This is not necessarily a legal issue. The reason why a regulator for
> censorship is set up is precisely to steer through such issues. We do not
> have to talk legal every time a right or moral issue crops up. This is how
> we never move on such agenda.
> My point is that the petition should be brought to the attention of the
> concerned board and action or direction demanded of them!
> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Joseph McDonald <
mcdonaldoj@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> The best way would be to make complaints to the Media Council of Kenya.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <
solo.mburu@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ken,
>>> I've pointed about 'Tushauriane' era.
>>> Bold just came the other day FYI.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 03/11/2011, kennedy kariuki <
kkairu@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > solo, bold n the whatever..was aired after news....i rem ilikuwa
>>> > wakati wa kulala...unasema nini?
>>> >
>>> > On 11/3/11, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <
solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> Back in the day, KBC would air programmes that were then considered
>>> >> immoral well after 10:30 p.m
>>> >> And this included any programme kissing, pecking or even a hug was
>>> >> part of the script.
>>> >> Remember when programes like 'Tahamaki', 'Tushauriane' and the likes
>>> >> were aired? Situations where anything that was 'unAfrican' was not
>>> >> aired. Relate this to Alfred Mutua's 'Cobra Squad'.
>>> >> The reason as to why it's a challenge to control the airwaves is the
>>> >> liberalization in almost all spheres. In a free economy state like
>>> >> Kenya's, it's quit hard to reign in on errant traders, unfortunately.
>>> >> But to restore hope:
>>> >> a) Sign the petition
>>> >> b) Let's wait for Alex Gakuru's Board to tell us what they've so far
>>> >> done.
>>> >>
>>> >> BTW, I've heard people complain about the Soko Ugali advert. See how
>>> >> people can deviate thir minds geatly?
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards,
>>> >>
>>> >> Solomon
>>> >>
>>> >> On 03/11/2011, maina <
dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> @Joseph McDonald do you have kid(s)..?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 6:31 AM, kennedy kariuki <
kkairu@gmail.com>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> close this...plz
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:09 PM, jamo njoroge <
patjayke@gmail.com>
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> This thread should come to a conclusion on what direction to take,
>>> >>>>> we
>>> >>>>> are
>>> >>>>> giving them too much air time on the list, we seem to marketing
>>> >>>>> them
>>> >>>>> even
>>> >>>>> more...
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On 2 November
2011 18:13, gisho <
gichuhie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Gentlemen, a while ago (like 2009) someone in the govt got pissed
>>> >>>>>> of
>>> >>>>>> by
>>> >>>>>> the same issues you are addressing here and the station went
>>> >>>>>> off-air
>>> >>>>>> for
>>> >>>>>> some days. When it came back the topics were more relaxed as they
>>> >>>>>> even
>>> >>>>>> told
>>> >>>>>> the listeners of the situation. sooner than later, they slept back
>>> >>>>>> to
>>> >>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>> topics you are now talking about. i think the ministry of IT/ICT
>>> >>>>>> (or
>>> >>>>>> whatever its called) is aware of this but i don't know where they
>>> >>>>>> stand.
>>> >>>>>> like oil companies, its hard to kill a 'cash cow'
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Odhiambo Washington
>>> >>>>>> <
odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 23:52, Joseph McDonald
>>> >>>>>>> <
mcdonaldoj@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> It is ironical....the parents are the ones calling.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> McD, do you have proof that "the parents are the ones calling"??
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> So long as you have a choice there is nothing you can do.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> You are suggesting that Kenyans who mind the crap in the show
>>> >>>>>>> have
>>> >>>>>>> other choices and should opt for them and do nothing about
>>> >>>>>>> Classic
>>> >>>>>>> FM,
>>> >>>>>>> right?? Just like someone here said "just shift channels"...hmmmm
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> You have a choice in the stations,You have a choice in the mode
>>> >>>>>>>> of
>>> >>>>>>>> transport (you can take a city hopper or boda boda),you have a
>>> >>>>>>>> choice
>>> >>>>>>>> to
>>> >>>>>>>> alight before the mat starts the journey and even alight after
>>> >>>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>>> mat
>>> >>>>>>>> starts the journey.If you dont exercise these choices then you
>>> >>>>>>>> have
>>> >>>>>>>> accepted to listen to classic.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> McD, for once, I have seen you reason so shallowly that I stopped
>>> >>>>>>> for
>>> >>>>>>> a
>>> >>>>>>> moment to ask myself if you are the same Joseph McDonald that I
>>> >>>>>>> know.
>>> >>>>>>> How
>>> >>>>>>> can you say that? For instance, you believe the kids going to
>>> >>>>>>> school
>>> >>>>>>> in
>>> >>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>> matatus should pose to ask the operators (driver/conductor)
>>> >>>>>>> whether
>>> >>>>>>> they
>>> >>>>>>> are tunes to Classic FM and then decline to board that particular
>>> >>>>>>> ma-three
>>> >>>>>>> for another one?
>>> >>>>>>> You've forgotten who we are trying to protect here - it's mostly
>>> >>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>> minors. If I were the one in the matatu, I promise you I have the
>>> >>>>>>> guts
>>> >>>>>>> to
>>> >>>>>>> make the driver change station. I cannot just alight. I cannot
>>> >>>>>>> just
>>> >>>>>>> do
>>> >>>>>>> nothing about it. Please try and get a different and better
>>> >>>>>>> attitude
>>> >>>>>>> towards this debate.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> The fact of the matter is that most marriages are a sham,
>>> >>>>>>>> morality
>>> >>>>>>>> in
>>> >>>>>>>> Kenya is at its lowest (so I cant buy that moral theory) ...dont
>>> >>>>>>>> kill
>>> >>>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>>> messenger...(In fact Kenyans are more tribal than religious)
>>> >>>>>>>> what
>>> >>>>>>>> classic
>>> >>>>>>>> is doing is offering a platform.They dont hold a gun on any one
>>> >>>>>>>> either
>>> >>>>>>>> to
>>> >>>>>>>> call or listen or advertise.Its called freedom of expression.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> You have narrowed down on the marriage angle. The show is never
>>> >>>>>>> about
>>> >>>>>>> marriage alone and our petition is not just about marriage.
>>> >>>>>>> For your information, our problem is not about the issues being
>>> >>>>>>> discussed in the show. It's more about the timing of the show and
>>> >>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>> audience which it inadvertently reaches - the minors.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Today if we stop Classic, tomorrow what will stop somebody from
>>> >>>>>>>> saying
>>> >>>>>>>> a) Waumini FM is indoctrinating our kids with catholic teachings
>>> >>>>>>>> b) Or Ghetto FM is making our kids fail in Kiswahili because
>>> >>>>>>>> inaleta
>>> >>>>>>>> brrrrrrcha
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> c) or Hope FM is only Christian what about the muslim or hindu
>>> >>>>>>>> etc
>>> >>>>>>>> d) or lets demolish K-street because there is a lot of
>>> >>>>>>>> immorality
>>> >>>>>>>> going on there.
>>> >>>>>>>> d) or petition women not to wear mini skirts because its
>>> >>>>>>>> "immoral".....we will be sliding back to stone age
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> McD, please try and stay within the topic and stop your
>>> >>>>>>> deflections.
>>> >>>>>>> When it comes to other stations, it will be dealt with at that
>>> >>>>>>> time.
>>> >>>>>>> That
>>> >>>>>>> does not mean I am not thinking out of the box! What we are
>>> >>>>>>> asking
>>> >>>>>>> ourselves, rather saying, is that is it proper for Classic to
>>> >>>>>>> discuss
>>> >>>>>>> lurid
>>> >>>>>>> sex details in the morning when even kids are listening?
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> For the last 5+ years every morning some one calls in and 20
>>> >>>>>>>> others
>>> >>>>>>>> follow with a similar problem, what does that tell you?
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> It does not tell anything. I don't see how discussing such issues
>>> >>>>>>> on
>>> >>>>>>> the airwaves helps to address the problem back where it is. Do
>>> >>>>>>> you?
>>> >>>>>>> Have
>>> >>>>>>> you heard if ever, Maina gave the callers a solution? Did you
>>> >>>>>>> hear of
>>> >>>>>>> any
>>> >>>>>>> caller who called back to thank Classic FM for having solved
>>> >>>>>>> their
>>> >>>>>>> issue?
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> My advice wake up and smell the coffee its a new world
>>> >>>>>>>> order.....and
>>> >>>>>>>> I
>>> >>>>>>>> can bet my entire earthly belongings that Classic is here to
>>> >>>>>>>> stay
>>> >>>>>>>> and
>>> >>>>>>>> most
>>> >>>>>>>> of the people complaining are listeners as well in the morning.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> So how did your contribution help in addressing the problem? By
>>> >>>>>>> telling
>>> >>>>>>> Kenyans to live with it?? I think this will hit you once your
>>> >>>>>>> kids
>>> >>>>>>> get
>>> >>>>>>> to
>>> >>>>>>> that age when they can confront you with such topics. If the
>>> >>>>>>> content
>>> >>>>>>> of
>>> >>>>>>> Maina's show is that acceptable, I can say we have no business
>>> >>>>>>> having
>>> >>>>>>> bodies/commissions to regulate content.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>>> Best regards,
>>> >>>>>>> Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
>>> >>>>>>> Nairobi,KE
>>> >>>>>>>
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+254722743223
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>>> >>>>>>> I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler.
>>> >>>>>>> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
>>> >>>>>>>
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